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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12609 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART L

"Happy 50th anniversary!"


The 50th is one of the most emblematic anniversaries and the time has come for the Central American community who is celebrating this special edition.
From December 2006 to September 2012, a small region from the world has steadily demonstrated here the interest for the commercial aviation. Thus, this edition is dedicated to all the posters and readers from the Central American aviation series. Remember the former logo printed above !         


Edited on September 25th, 2012


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 12496 times:

50th thread....wow! and at least we are civil to each other now 


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User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 12492 times:

Excellent job guys!!!


With Age comes Wisdom...
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12451 times:

50th CentAm thread.. thanks SJOtoLIR and kudos to all who made it happen!  

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
50th anniversary!
Is it 2056 already?  

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
at least we are civil to each other now

Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go? 



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12423 times:

SJO recently implemented performance–based navigation for RWY25 (east–west) which offers a number of operational benefits in terms of safety, efficiency, emissions, and reduced costs for airlines.


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12385 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go?

I'm here sweety - missed me?

LOL



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12318 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
I'm here sweety - missed me?

We all do.. to varying degrees, anyway.

But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12315 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol

Just busy w work  

Dont worry. i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever  Smile

[Edited 2012-09-26 19:45:20]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 7):
i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever

Fair enough then.. do chime in from time to time.. señor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12238 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
eñor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.

Nothing "new" for sure - you are still obsessed about the Parrots and COPA is still not in Belize.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithophobia
(maybe?)



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12212 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
you are still obsessed about the Parrots

Oh the parrots are gone.. un cóndor se comió todas las guaras.   



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12162 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize.

ooooohhhhh, that was a low blow
 

I hereby declare...No Free Seats for you on the Inaugural



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12091 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Is it 2056 already?

Ooops! So, this edition must be re-phrased as "Happy 50th Cent Am thread..."  




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize

I barely commented in the last Cent Am thread about why CM is not at BZE yet.
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time. The hypothetical CM PTY-BZE must basically cater passengers from South America where the Panamanian airline has certainly had a good job on selected leisure routes as CM PTY-PUJ, CM PTY-CUN and CM PTY-MCO, among others.
I don't think CM would venture into BZE prior to consolidate LIR before. However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.
We have previously commented about how San Pedro Sula isn't performing well on Copa Airlines nowadays. However, the current CM PTY-SJO-SAP is attending the SJO-SAP market with the 100-seater E90 every day. Their competitors only deploy the ATR-42 in such route.




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Copa Airlines Colombia will increase their following weekly frequencies:
CM PTY-CLO 26x to 28x weekly. Effective: December 18th.
CM PTY-ADZ 5x to 7x weekly. Effective: December 17th.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12084 times:
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CM PTY-GUA-BZE would be wonderful. I really do hope they do it.


avi8
User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

Hello everybody!

Im surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

AA0986/27SEP
SJO 1245 3
MIA CE J18 1750 1940 D33
LAS 1 D8 2145
7SJO/AUTO REACCOM DELAYED FLT SEE N*0986SEP27SJO *1442*CRC
YMG
5SJO/6SJO-LAS CHG EPQ MIA SAME TYPE EDO
FTWDP RUHBERG *1605
2SJO/PRE1345 *1613
3SJO/ETD2054 A/E 2155 *2108
4SJO/OUT2101 OFF2112 *2212
3MIA/ETD2000 A/E *1804
4MIA/OUT2003 OFF2023 *1923
2MIA/ETA0137 *2332
2LAS/ETA2221 *2054

AA2127/27SEP
MIA 1940 D43
SJO 4 2030
3MIA/ETD2020 MNTC *1905
4MIA/OUT2010 OFF2025 *1925
5MIA/ACCT MECH *2124*QSDWPC
1SJO/INTMD LNDG AT MBJ ETA2147FTWDP PISENTI *2109
2SJO/PRE0217 *2203
2MBJ/IN2154 *2157
3MBJ/ETD0130 *2203

This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12021 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time

Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
If you want to compare LIR with another destination in the region compare it with RTB, CZM and HUX.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.

this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA. The VFR traffic to GUA is very price sensitive (as many have found out) and doable by road.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
m surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

Same crap has been happening here in BZE for the last few weeks. Often AA is cancelling one of its MIA ad rerouting / rebooking the pax. They are not making many people happy..including my wife whose usual 3 day trip to POS turned into 6 last week with delays and subsequent misconnects on all 4 segments.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).

bingo. Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA.

I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11948 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.


Guys, I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.




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Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?


I just checked flighstats.com and found delays and cancellations on AA MIA-SJO 24 hours backward.
AA SJO-MIA is still showing big delays on September 28th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11934 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.

The connection is usually Ok....All I was saying was that faced with a one stop daily to PTY (via SAL) or a hypothetical 4Xweekly one stop via GUA on CM..the former will be more attractive for business travellers

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.

Actually I have hard data, but it is proprietary and I am sorry I can't share. But I can tell you that currently the traffic between GRU, VVI, CCS, PTY, SJO, EZE, POS and BZE is enough to fill a Ejet 4 times a week easily. VVI may be a shocker...but there is a lot of Mennonite traffic on that route (VVI and BZE are sister Mennonite communities). Next week alone the MIn of foreign affairs is hosting 60 businessmen from Argentina. This week , the Brazilians are here.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintenance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego Bay because of maintenance issues

So was this a result of huelga/tortuguismo or was it caused by "the excessive maintanace of its fleet" as you put it?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America

Add some o/d business traffic (shopping, banking, CFZ) from Panamá, as described in post #16 above, to the mix.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown

It's all about the thriving Brazilian economy (aka samba surge) and increased middle–class tourism from Brazil.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11920 times:

Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down in GUA.....can any of our Guatemalan friends confirm or shed some light?


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down

Prensa LIbre
is reporting the deceased was the owner of Grand Tikal Futura.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

Take a listen to the audio link @01m32s the pilot can be heard saying "perdí el rotor de cola" — requiescat in pace.


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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

The runway in MGA was due to have its 09-27 number changed to 10-28 on september 20th when new procedures were published, but due to great efficiency of our airport's authorities this has been delayed until December 13th. New Jeppesen charts show Procedures to Rwys 10-28 but we still have rwy 09-27. Very funny to hear the exchange of regulations and requirements over the radio between ATC and pilots arriving here. There is only one notam showing the delay, but a crew coming with updated charts will not have charts showing rwy 09-27, nice deal.


C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11867 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 24):
The runway in MGA was due to have its 09-27 number changed to 10-28 on september 20th

Is this being done to correct some sort of historic blunder in that the azimuth angle was originally miscalculated?



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

Last week a group of thirteen Brazilian nationals allegedly "arrived in the Bahamas on Copa Airlines under the guise of being tourists at a local hotel (...) It is believed they were attempting to be smuggled into South Florida" — according to a report in the Bahamas Tribune.

The following day, that same paper was saying it was actually a larger group (eighteen immigrants) made up of "Dominicans, West Indians, Cubans and Brazilians" taken into custody "in connection with an alleged smuggling ring from Panama" — the Bahamian immigration minister was quoted as saying: “What we know is that for some time security has been watching the traffic that comes via Panama and the connection to human smuggling that goes on."

And in other (more positive) news, Jamaican officials seem quite pleased with the significant increase (102% by their own estimates) in pax traffic from South America, thanks in part to the resumption of CM flights to MBJ.. "This has been very good for growth, especially Chileans, Colombians and Brazilians (...) It's a market we are taking very seriously" said the chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11669 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 25):
Is this being done to correct some sort of historic blunder in that the azimuth angle was originally miscalculated?

This is done due to the magnetic drift that changes over time. Right now if you're lined up on RWY 09, your compass will indicate 98-100, hence the change in the number.



C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11560 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 27):
This is done due to the magnetic drift that changes over time. Right now if you're lined up on RWY 09, your compass will indicate 98-100

Thanks for the explanation.. I wonder if DGAC/MOPT down here is monitoring this shift in the magnetic north pole in order to update runway designations at LIR and SJO accordingly if needed.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 28):

Thanks for the explanation.. I wonder if DGAC/MOPT down here is monitoring this shift in the magnetic north pole in order to update runway designations at LIR and SJO accordingly if needed.

I'm pretty sure they are. Cocesna also has an airplane that goes to all stations in Central America, calibrating and fine tuning all VORs, ILSs. They do this at least two times a year in each station, so they will also know when this varies.
Keep in mind that the magnetic north pole keeps changing over time.



C208B
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?

The airline is clearly not using it's "powers" given by chpt 11, here "down under" we're also suffering with both AA and pax rioting! MAO was the hell this past week with ALMOST daily cancelled or "maintenance delay".... I'll play the bad CEO guy, just cut the staff, and downsize it if you can't cope! jesus.....

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
The VFR traffic to GUA is very price sensitive (as many have found out) and doable by road.

you mean PTY-GUA? yeah but it's not nice to spend 2 days on the road? if it's BZE GUA then it's ok.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 20):
The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown

It's all about the thriving Brazilian economy (aka samba surge) and increased middle–class tourism from Brazil.

economy is backtracking here now, govt is forcing banks to keep taxes down, the USD is skyrocketing! I'm paying a visit to central america this summer (JAN-MAR) and am holding tight both my USD's and my breath, Dilma Roussef what are you doing?  


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11421 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
if it's BZE GUA then it's ok.

BZE GUA is the VFR.....BZE-PTY is much more business oriented



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11327 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 29):
Cocesna also has an airplane that goes to all stations in Central America, calibrating and fine tuning all VORs, ILSs. They do this at least two times a year in each station

Well now, that's an interesting little tidbit.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
economy is backtracking here now

There has been a slowdown but CEPAL (aka ECLAC) is estimating 4% growth next year (up from 1,6% this year).



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Looks like arriving Copa flights will continue to come under increased scrutiny at NAS.. after reading some more of the Bahamas Tribune, it becomes apparent that law enforcement over there believe organized crime appreciates the convenience of nonstop air service from the Hub de las Américas in smuggling U.S.–bound immigrants and narcotics..

“The police have been vigilant with people coming in from Panama. We are watching trends and we saw a pattern. So over the last few months you would have seen increased interdiction from persons coming in from Panama on that airline” — those remarks are credited to an assistant commissioner of the Royal Bahamas Police Force.

[Edited 2012-10-02 23:02:56]


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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):

I SWEAR I could see that coming! The Bahamas although a wealthy nation was known in the 80's as a strong stop over for mules on their way to the USA, I believe simple questions as "list the places you're going to visit while here" should redflag suspects immediately.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11161 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):
Looks like arriving Copa flights will continue to come under increased scrutiny at NAS

CM PTY-NAS is 6x weekly nowadays.
From December 20th, the airline will offer their 6x weekly departures out of Panama City at 07:46 and 11:18.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
BZE GUA is the VFR.....BZE-PTY is much more business oriented

Don't forget how the direct BZE-GUA is currently attended by small planes.
Is the PM BZE-FRS plus TAG [FRS-GUA] agreement still in service?
I'm a believer of CM in Belize, but that won't imply a flock of passengers in these flights. The existence of the daily TA SAL-BZE and connections is another fact against healthy results on the fictitious CM PTY-BZE. They would probably match their mutual fares in the future. I don't expect cheaper fares at BZE later.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 26):
Jamaican officials seem quite pleased with the significant increase (102% by their own estimates) in pax traffic from South America, thanks in part to the resumption of CM flights to MBJ.. "This has been very good for growth, especially Chileans, Colombians and Brazilians (...) It's a market we are taking very seriously" said the chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board.

CM PTY-MBJ will indeed rise their frequencies from 2x to 4x weekly; starting on December 17th.




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Copa Airlines will increase their services in Cancun from 28x to 35x weekly.
New flight below:

CM 208.........PTY 08:04.........CUN 09:45.............Daily..........73G
CM 209.........CUN 11:10........PTY 14:40..............Daily..........73G
Effective: December 04th


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11160 times:
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Wow, CM is really making their hub in PTY meorable haha. How many daily flights will they have by year end? Are they putting the new interiors into the old fleet as well?


avi8
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11071 times:

Today, Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12, and a daily SPR-MYF and BZE-MYF (San Ignacio, Belize) effective Dec 10. The latter is the second largest muncipality in Belize and this is its first air service. Tropic Air are building a terminal at the new airstrip there.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
CM PTY-MBJ will indeed rise their frequencies from 2x to 4x weekly; starting on December 17th.

Strange CM wouldn't add one frequency to both MBJ and KIN instead of adding 2 to only MBJ.
At least there'lll be flights 6 times per week between PTY and Jamaica. Who knows that frequency needed to complete daily PTY-Jamaica may go to KIN.

Quote:
Copa Airlines will increase their services in Cancun from 28x to 35x weekly.
New flight below:

CM 208.........PTY 08:04.........CUN 09:45.............Daily..........73G
CM 209.........CUN 11:10........PTY 14:40..............Daily..........73G
Effective: December 04th

I still can't believe PTY-CUN up to 5 times per day.
IMHO, PTY-CUN at 5 daily means the chances of CM ever flying to CZM and/or MID are almost none by now, but in that area of Mexico, chances are HUX one day could get CM.
And I could bet a future CM PTY-PVR route (as Mexican Government request) more than 3-4 times per week will be far too much capacity, even for PTY Hub of The Americas..



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 37):
Today, Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12,



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 39):
Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Yes, for now until they see what the traffic levels will be like.



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User currently offlineLAXLocal From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 40):
Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.

Yes, for now until they see what the traffic levels will be like.

What would the flight time be for this? Seems like a long haul in a Caravan. Especially with no loo.


LAXLocal



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 38):
PTY-CUN up to 5 times per day.

CM PTY-CUN will be soon in the same level of both CM PTY-HAV and CM PTY-SDQ which are offering 35x weekly frequencies.
Copa Airlines is also pursuing the protectionism of that market given the incursion of LP LIM-CUN 7x weekly and others.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 42):
Copa Airlines is also pursuing the protectionism of that market given the incursion of LP LIM-CUN 7x weekly and others.

CM actually stimulates demand for more non-stop flights from destinations such as CUN, MCO, PUJ, etc. to certain South American cities.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10769 times:

Quoting LAXLocal (Reply 41):
What would the flight time be for this? Seems like a long haul in a Caravan. Especially with no loo.

1:20 ....currently they run BZE-SAP at 1:05 with no issues...just remember to use the loo first. And remember that these are the new 208s that they are using for the SAP and CUN with the softer seats, AC etc.

I suspect that they are trying to build up a little regional operation with enough routes and demand to justify a twin engine eqp.

They don't want the make the same mistakes that MW did and plunge right into ATRs and then take a bath.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10616 times:
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OK kids.. so i am looking flights to SDQ for myself and colleges for later this month.

Here are CM's Fares:

ORD-PTY-SDQ: $440
SAL-PTY-SDQ:$877
GUA-PTY-SDQ:$807
TGU-PTY-SDQ:$920

I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10605 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

Nop they are not an airline of low prices they have good service but not in Central America flights.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10463 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

I have never heard CM and low price in the same sentence.

Did you try SDQ via MIA?



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10451 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):
I have never heard CM and low price in the same sentence.

Well to SDQ from ORD is great deal. $470 (not $440; my mistake). At least $70 cheaper than AA thru MIA; and i trust that CM's seats do not fall off, and avoid the hell on earth that is MIA.

Now, the CM rep said that the reason that the Central America flights were so high was due to "High Season". I never heard people from Northern Central America go to Panama during the last week of October.. High Season my "eggs" (you can translate that last word  )

With these ridiculous prices you should pray the CM never comes to Belize.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):
Did you try SDQ via MIA?

Sure did - about its about the same..

So, now that TACA has become irrelevant - can we start hating CM as group now?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10450 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
OK kids.. so i am looking flights to SDQ for myself and colleges for later this month.

Here are CM's Fares:

ORD-PTY-SDQ: $440
SAL-PTY-SDQ:$877
GUA-PTY-SDQ:$807
TGU-PTY-SDQ:$920

I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

CM low fares in Central America?? Yes, I you never stop checking CM website and promotional emails for bargain fares..
Better your colleges use miles to fly between Central America and SDQ.
Did you check the fares to PUJ and STI? Perhaps flying to PUJ or STI and land transfer to Santo Domingo would be worth saving hundreds of USD.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

There's been some rumours wondering around about Avianca caring little about Taca's involvement in regional airlines. Aeroperlas was in trouble and it was left to die. Now there are rumours about Sansa having issues and most likely shutting down soon. I flew the other day to SJO and there were 3 Sansa's Caravans painted all white as if they were ready for sale. Anyone??


C208B
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10358 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 50):
Sansa having issues and most likely shutting down soon. I flew the other day to SJO and there were 3 Sansa's Caravans painted all white as if they were ready for sale. Anyone??

Charging 200 USD from SJO to LIR oneway , what do they think? by bus you pay 10 usd only and it takes 4 hours, it won't hurt!

I had the chance to fly Aeroperlas, found their service very professional and at the time 114 USD each way from PAC to BDT, now with them gone don't even want to think how much Air panama is charging!  


User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10385 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):

The problem is not Copa, neither TACA.
The problem, is that they don't have any competition in the CentAm or PTY-Colombia market!
Ex.Last time I check, PTY-JFK was 470$ on Nov.
But, PTY-MDE was 461$, and it is a very short flight.
Between PTY and NYC, you have many options, but between PTY and MDE you only have AV&CM
I really love CM, but this is insane!



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 50):
there are rumours about Sansa having issues and most likely shutting down soon

Been hearing those same rumors myself.. unlikely the Colombians will throw money at RZ if it's bleeding that bad.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 51):
200 USD from SJO to LIR oneway

Check natureair.com for non–resident one–way fares out of SYQ from US$78 restricted to US$120 unrestricted.

[Edited 2012-10-09 17:04:46]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 54, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 37):
Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12, and a daily SPR-MYF and BZE-MYF (San Ignacio, Belize) effective Dec 10
Quoting MGASJO (Reply 50):
there were 3 Sansa's Caravans painted all white as if they were ready for sale

I wonder if PM might be interested in any of these birds despite being neither brand–new nor G1000–equipped.

[Edited 2012-10-09 17:12:55]


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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 54):

I wonder if PM might be interested in any of these birds despite being neither brand–new nor G1000–equipped.

They are G1000 equipped. It's been a year or so since RZ had all G1000 fleet.
I think Costeña might catch one of those. Recently brought one brand new one from ICT. They still have 2 non-G1000 Caravans there



C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 55):
They are G1000 equipped. It's been a year or so since RZ had all G1000 fleet

Well then finding the birds a new home shouldn't be much of a problem.  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):
I thought CM was airline of low-prices and good service. I thought TACA was the only one that pillages Central America. Could we have been wrong?

How is that possible?
Madrid - Paris: US 140, round trip in November by Air France.
San Jose - San Salvador: US 380, lowest round trip in November.




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 48):
CM rep said that the reason that the Central America flights were so high was due to "High Season".

This statement is doubtful.
Central American inner ticketed flights are usually the same throughout the year either by TACA or COPA.




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 51):
by bus you pay 10 usd only and it takes 4 hours

Sure. I took last year a trip comfortably from San Jose to Liberia through "Pullmitan" bus lines.  

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 55):
Costeña

Can you please tell me what type aircraft they use on MGA–RNI flights and whether a stopover in BEF is involved?



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 59, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10253 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 57):
San Jose to Liberia through "Pullmitan" bus lines

Pulmitan has a double–decker bus doing the run since late 2010 — is that the one you took?



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 59):

I appreciate the natureair site, But i'll take pullmintan on january, as I don't if my inbound flight will be on time and I have some kilos with me 


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10173 times:

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 52):
The problem, is that they don't have any competition in the CentAm or PTY-Colombia market!

The only competition CM has is: Air Panama thrice weekly between PAC and SJO one stop (immigration/customs) DAV and AV between PTY and BOG thrice daily plus TA PTY-MDE thrice weekly as AV doesn't fly to PTY from other Colombian airports.

The Panamanian regime is spending lots of $$$ in new airports, sure they'd love to have the LAN group as ONX major user.. thus a good way to have a competitor on the Panama City - Central America/Colombia/Peru/U.S. markets.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6644 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10154 times:
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Quoting SHAQ (Reply 52):
I really love CM, but this is insane!
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 57):
This statement is doubtful.
Central American inner ticketed flights are usually the same throughout the year either by TACA or COP

I know. how can a flight that is twice; as long cost half the price!

VIaggaire - you missed me so much before, now you don't even comment on my posts?   Don't you think CM is being awful to Central America? You are impartial person aren't you?



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 63, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10129 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 62):
VIaggaire - you missed me so much before, now you don't even comment on my posts?

Stayed short of saying I missed you "so much" — let's get that straight.  

Quoting mt99 (Reply 62):
Don't you think CM is being awful to Central America?

They seem to be going down a dangerous path by emulating the rape and pillage part of that failed business model conceived by señor Kriete and friends.. so by all means Copa should immediately repent and give up those evil ways, or the same fate could befall them.

We may have to start advocating intra–CentAm bus travel.. Tica Bus | King Quality | Pullmantur | Línea Dorada.

[Edited 2012-10-10 09:12:39]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 63):
They seem to be going down a dangerous path by emulating the rape and pillage part of that failed business model conceived by señor Kriete and friends.. so by all means Copa should immediately repent and give up those evil ways, or the same fate could befall them.

TA history and its ways (pre- and post- taking over all their Central American competitors) and CM's are quite different.
And CM is a one-hub operation. Yes we complain about CM outrageously high fares for short routes, but lets face it, its major business isn't those passengers flying in/out PTY or within Central America.

From sometime on, there have been suggestions made to CM top-people that it's about time to start using those planes spending the night at some airports around Panama and start a middle-of-the-night-hub bank for (almost) no-frill lower fare flights.
IMHO, late night (or too early morning) flights are something many passengers could tolerate if saving account for lots of $$ when flying regionally.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 65, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

Avianca has now pronounced the friggin' parrots *officially dead* along with what little else remained of that infamous brand.. read more.

[Edited 2012-10-10 14:08:17]


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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 66, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 58):
Can you please tell me what type aircraft they use on MGA–RNI flights and whether a stopover in BEF is involved?

There is no sure way of knowing. Not even us pilots know what aircraft or route will fly to RNI until the day before the departure. Depending on the loads either the ATR42 or a C208B will take you there; 80% of the times the ATR42 will fly you there. Wether you stop in Bluefields or not is a matter of chance also.



C208B
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 67, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 66):
There is no sure way of knowing. Not even us pilots know

No wonder I keep getting conflicting information every time. Thanks!



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 51):
Charging 200 USD from SJO to LIR oneway , what do they think? by bus you pay 10 usd only and it takes 4 hours, it won't hurt!

Running 208s is not cheap....with the cost of fuel and the cost of those airplanes, fares have to be high. One thing they don't have is good CASM!

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 52):
The problem is not Copa, neither TACA.
The problem, is that they don't have any competition in the CentAm or PTY-Colombia market!

Exactly, they will charge waht the market will bear, jsut like any other business

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 54):
I wonder if PM might be interested in any of these birds despite being neither brand–new nor G1000–equipped.

I highly doubt it



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 61):
Air Panama thrice weekly between PAC and SJO one stop (immigration/customs) DAV

Speaking about Air Panama into PAC-DAV-SJO thrice a week, we still haven't seen any progress in terms of their frequencies lately.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 59):
Pulmitan has a double%u2013decker bus doing the run since late 2010 %u2014 is that the one you took?

I rather did my ride in a standard bus.  
The worth point here is about how much is the difference between one single ticket traveling by either bus or small plane from San Jose to Liberia.
We've just found how the ground ticket is ten times cheaper. Probably this situation couldn't be compared with the US or European scenario.

Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 70, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

A little quite here.
On October 12, 2012 an Iberia A340 destroyed part of the aproaching light on runway 01 in La Aurora.
Here is a photo. The airplane have to make a go around and then landed safely.


http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/31025_440526909316376_1456233813_n.jpg

Juanchito



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 45):

I think even I was wrong in my estimation. Price wise, both airlines are basically the same unless something like SPIRIT comes in with an aggressive Latin American strategy to build a base and lower prices. That would be a salvation to our wallets.
Now, I find that COPA's service is kind of dwindling even at the airport, but TACA/LACSA does impress me and making me change my mind about TACA. COPA is now "just fine" while TACA is excelling and really turning tables. Not only is their new livery fresh, but also the interior cabin is very comfy with the new leather seats in econ.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 72, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 71):
Price wise, both airlines are basically the same

I agreed with, in case we're talking about the TACA and COPA inner models in Central America.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 71):
something like SPIRIT comes in with an aggressive Latin American strategy to build a base and lower prices

When NK entered into Central America back in 2007, both TA and AA matched their South Florida fares.
At least in Costa Rica, tickets aren't cheap anymore: NK, TA and AA have risen and matched their South Florida fares.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 72):

Not simply within Centroamerica, but systemwide, you cannot equate low fares with any of the two airlines. But, TACA does give you a better run for your money because the service is improving. Even my friend who is a Panameno told me that Copa's service is not that great now. Glad that we have another choice in Star Alliance. I experienced less than mediocre service in Lima. They refused to acknowledge I was a United Premier Silver and was booked in business from LIM-PTY-SJO-PTY-LIM. They let others into the business class line but held me back and made me and my wife stand in the regular line because i had not had the vaccines. Within Centroamerica, they are okay. Short flights are better. Also, out from Lima, don't expect any good service from COPA.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 74, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9362 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 73):
TACA does give you a better run for your money because the service is improving

Out with the old.. their entire operation was rebranded as AVIANCA and all feathered creatures were exterminated shortly thereafter.. not only did people associate the old brand with poor service, marketing gurus in Bogotá realized it was paronymous with the spanish word for poop.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9366 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 73):
Copa's service is not that great now

I agree in that their service is slipping.. and it seems to be hurting their business somewhat.



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User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

Well, last time I flew on Copa on September, PTY-JFK-PTY
On the first leg I was flying in J, and I was happy with the service really, no complaints.
The food was good, and after that I went to sleep. My FA was courteous and professional.
On the second leg, JFK-PTY, I nearly loose my flight, but I took it.
The check-in was quick and efficient. The gate agent on JFK is very gorgeous, a nice colombian girl.
In this flight I did not got an upgrade, so I was on Y, in the bulkhead.
After the service, the crew dissapeared, but they gave me sundae from J so I was happy.
COPA flies you, on time, nearly without any disruptions, and with a professional crew.
So, on my future flghts, I will continue flying COPA, or UA.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 77, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 76):
the crew dissapeared, but they gave me sundae from J so I was happy

'nough said.. Copa is most deserving of your continued patronage then.  



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9290 times:

I've notice CM a bit disorganised when it comes to getting passengers on-board the aircraft.
They're afraid to really enforce the Business Class/Elite and Coach lines policy.
And I've even seen how a gate personnel lets a loud mouth can get an upgrade over those who really qualify for the last minute upgrade.
I'd not blame CM entirely, because the passengers education (or lack of it) have lots to do with their behaviour when flying.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 79, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Folks traveling on AA this month will find the inflight magazine cover story article (pages 44–54) has been dedicated to Ciudad de Panamá and surrounding areas.




[Edited 2012-10-18 14:23:56]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 79):
Folks traveling on AA this month will find the inflight magazine cover story article (pages 44–54) has been dedicated to Ciudad de Panamá and surrounding areas.

And check out AA's Nexos next month for a special on my favorite country.  



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 81, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9114 times:

Earlier this afternoon an Avianca (AV/TA) A321 reportedly hydroplaned and veered to the right side of the runway (07) while attempting to land at SJO.


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

Apparently it was a blown tire (or up to three according to some sources) that caused LR621 (nonstop SALSJO) to skid partially off the runway and into the adjacent grassy area, at approximately 21:50UTC.. preliminary reports of mud ingestion in the #2 engine, and a fire department spokesman quoted as saying "hay hule por toda la pista de aterrizaje" — meaning there's rubber scattered all over the runway.

Avión de TACA pierde el control al aterrizar en aeropuerto Juan Santamaría

Pasajeros se encuentran fuera del avión accidentado

Percance de avión de TACA en el Santamaría atrasa 12 vuelos

[Edited 2012-10-18 17:34:20]


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User currently offlinetomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 83, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

Hey Guys,

Been I think a few years since I checked the forum, actually missed talking about aviation on here! So I'm back with a couple of comments!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):

It's quite old but just wanted to say that Jose Habie owned a LJ45XR, TG-ABY, which he flew himself and had been spotted all the way in TLV once.


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Quoting juanchito (Reply 70):

What happened here? Was it during a G/A and the thrust from the engines damaged them or did it actually touch the lights... doesn't look like it was a good approach in any of the cases...

Apart from that, been quite "away" from the scene, I still do the occasional spotting @ SJO but only into business jets now. Just last week we had Sir Richard Branson come in for less than a day on a FA50 M-VGIN, just a shame he had just sold his "Galatic Girl" G-GALX...

Also had a couple of interesting visits in the last few months:


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And apparently for the Lady Gaga concert 4, that's right, FOUR 747-400s are expected on the 1st Nov but reading news articles lately only the last 25 containers (out of 40) will be arriving just before the concert. I'd say 4 is an exaggerated number but we'll definitely see at least one or two. The info is from a very trustworthy source but I still think its not going to happen.

She will be flying on this 757-200 apparently:


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Will post more info as soon as I have it!

Regards,
Tomas @ SJO


User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 84, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8965 times:

Quoting tomascubero (Reply 83):
Been I think a few years since I checked the forum, actually missed talking about aviation on here! So I'm back with a couple of comments!

Welcome back

Quoting tomascubero (Reply 83):
What happened here? Was it during a G/A and the thrust from the engines damaged them or did it actually touch the lights... doesn't look like it was a good approach in any of the cases...

It actually touch it with the landing gear, it was a bad approach. They make a go-around check if everything was OK then landed.

Quoting tomascubero (Reply 83):
And apparently for the Lady Gaga concert 4, that's right, FOUR 747-400s are expected on the 1st Nov but reading news articles lately only the last 25 containers (out of 40) will be arriving just before the concert. I'd say 4 is an exaggerated number but we'll definitely see at least one or two. The info is from a very trustworthy source but I still think its not going to happen.

Really interesting I am assuming this are cargo 747 all of them. Hope you can catch some pictures of them.
On question does SJO can handle 4 747 cargo planes at the same time?

Juanchito



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8956 times:

Today our president gave a report on a TV network about his trip to Germany and said that next year or 2014 LH will be fling to PTY.
I believe it when I see an official release from LH and only LH.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 85):
Today our president gave a report on a TV network about his trip to Germany and said that next year or 2014 LH will be fling to PTY.

Politicians love a good talk....but with Salo and Co. One never knows.



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User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8957 times:

I was just wondering how things were going in Central America now that Avianca has bought TACA and there is even less competition than there was before. So I made this comparison of two return flights of about the same length on the same dates in November (8-22nd)

LON-MAD-LON 61€
SJO-BOG-SJO 511€

This is what happens when there's no competition. I'm so glad I moved back to Europe!


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

Today the Panamanian Presidential Palace Palacio de las Garzas handed out a press release on our president trip to Japan and Vietnam. According to the press release our president will meet NH president Shinichiro Ito.
Given all what the Panama Tourist Authority have been saying about a B787 NRT-PTY non-stop flight, most likely our president will personally try to get that flight to operate soon.
I wrote about that a while ago, IMHO, NH has other priorities for B787 than to use a brand new one to open an ultra-long-haul route to PTY.
I for sure (and I bet CM too) would be very pleased only if NH was to fly NRT-ANC-PTY thrice weekly with B767-300ER instead of having to wait years to get a B787 NRT non-stop flight.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

Quoting tomascubero (Reply 83):
Lady Gaga concert


I'll be there ! 




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 88):
the Panama Tourist Authority have been saying about a B787 NRT-PTY non-stop flight, most likely our president will personally try to get that flight to operate soon.


We have commented about this intended plan before. The recent expansion at PTY and the possible code-share cooperation between CM-NH makes sense into Star Alliance network.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 89):
The recent expansion at PTY and the possible code-share cooperation between CM-NH makes sense into Star Alliance network.

CM got to code-share already with OZ, perhaps with NH too but I don't have reliable sources. Not sure there'll be code-share w/CA, SQ and TG but it wouldn't surprise anyone.
One thing is to start to code-share and another start a ultra-long-haul flight with brand new aircraft to an obscure kind of off the beaten path destination, no matter how nice numbers PTY shows NH or how much the Panamanian government want to finance the non-stop flight.
Does NH really have the aircraft and ready to spend disposable resources $$$ to venture into a non-stop service several times per week between NRT and PTY? I don't think so.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 90):
an obscure kind of off the beaten path destination

Japanese exporters and shipping companies alone would disagree.. and well–educated Japanese leisure travelers would probably find Panamá to be an exotic destination, which is by no means a bad thing.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

The Central American airlines are now appearing in places as far as Hawaii by means of code-share services operated by United:

UA 1142.....HNL 07:01.....LAX 15:34.......Code-sharing CM 8148
UA 1047.....HNL 12:30.....LAX 21:03.......Code-sharing CM 8118
UA 1579.....HNL 13:26.....LAX 21:59.......Code-sharing CM 1087 and TA 2012
UA 1048.....HNL 21:00.....LAX 05:20+1...Code-sharing CM 8189
UA 1159.....HNL 23:01.....LAX 07:46+1...Code-sharing CM 1088

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 8502 times:

PTY runways at risk from www.prensa.com in Spanish
Panama National Environment Authority has advised that if the mangroves and swamps close to PTY runways are filled there will be problems with water retention and the runway could be prone to floods.
Lately there has been news of real-estate developments south-west of the "new" runway and there are currently some other projects on their way close to that area towards the Santa María / Costa Del Este areas.
PTY having to operate with one runway because one is close because of floods would be awful for CM hub operations.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Taca A330-200 is ready to go to LIM to make some test and certifications.
This is a picture of the plane in BOG.



Juanchito



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8404 times:

Local business daily La República ran a somewhat nostalgic piece (subscription required) today on the TACA/LACSA/AVIANCA brand unification. And although 41% of those surveyed said they won't be affected —whether that means they'll adjust favorably or couldn't care less remains unclear— remarks made by two prominent and respected Costa Rican businessmen stand out as explicitly critical of the idea.

The president/CEO of a major consumer electronics, household appliances and furniture retailer with business interests across CentAm said: "No me gusta la idea, pues por los temas de guerrilla y terrorismo, creo que volar bajo una marca colombiana no es lo más recomendable, y además por temas de narcotráfico me parece que hace los vuelos hacia Estados Unidos más problemáticos". —— "I do not like the idea, because of guerrilla and terrorism issues, I believe flying under a Colombian brand is not recommended, and also because of drug issues I think it makes flights to the United States more problematic."

Meanwhile, the man in charge of local operations for a well–known multinational public opinion and market research company was quoted as saying: "Es una lástima. En los primeros ajustes que realizó la empresa colombiana demuestra que no le interesa Centroamérica. Cancelaron el vuelo directo a Santo Domingo y ahora se debe volar por Panamá y Miami, que tarda seis o siete horas. Además, la comida en clase ejecutiva ha desmejorado". —— "It's unfortunate. With its first (route) adjustments, ​​the Colombian company shows no interest in Central America. They canceled the nonstop flight to Santo Domingo and now one must fly through Panama and Miami, which takes six or seven hours. Also, food quality has deteriorated in business class."

Seems AVIANCA's marketing and public relations teams have their work cut out in SJO for now.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 95):
I do not like the idea, because of guerrilla and terrorism issues, I believe flying under a Colombian brand is not recommended, and also because of drug issues I think it makes flights to the United States more problematic."

Well not only is that commentary xenophobic and ignorant, it doesn't acknowledge the many tonnes of colombian and peruvian cocaine that goes through Costa Rica on it's way to the US without major hassle. I can't believe the words of this man. Very pathetic. Drugs are a world problem, and no society has paid a price higher that Colombia's for it, and no other society has fought harder against drug related crime than us. Also, no society in latin america has made more economic progress despite it's internal conflict that Colombia. And it's not like the brand isn't one of the most iconic brands in Colombia or has a 93 year long history of many aviation achievements for Latin America. What a douche.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 95):
"Es una lástima. En los primeros ajustes que realizó la empresa colombiana demuestra que no le interesa Centroamérica. Cancelaron el vuelo directo a Santo Domingo y ahora se debe volar por Panamá y Miami, que tarda seis o siete horas. Además, la comida en clase ejecutiva ha desmejorado".

Is he for real? So his argument to say they don't care about the region is some flight that got cut and a bad meal he had? What about the many additions of frequency and destinations at both the central american hubs since the merger? Also, don't decades of TACA's astronomic pricing which deprived the central american public from travel count as "not caring for central america"? Who is this guy?

Are these two morons really prominent businessmen in Costa Rica? Couldn't they find someone a little bit less ignorant or close minded than them?

It's sad to see a brand go, and there are many valid arguments against things like these happening. But the article we're seeing here is just an example of poor journalism which limits itself to interviewing some a+holes that will tell stories that can add value to the point they are trying to make with this should be Pulitzer nominee. I must say it's very disappointing to read this newspaper.


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 96):
Are these two morons really prominent businessmen in Costa Rica?

One of them was listed by Revista Summa among the 100 most successful CentAm businessmen and the other is a former longtime president of the Costa Rican–American Chamber of Commerce aka AMCHAM.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 96):
Couldn't they find someone a little bit less ignorant or close minded than them?

I was stunned by such candid remarks attributed to Mr. Monge.. methinks he may have been speaking off the record.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 97):
I was stunned by such candid remarks attributed to Mr. Monge.. methinks he may have been speaking off the record.


On or off the record, his remarks are retarded and absolutely incorrect. What a character.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 97):
One of them was listed by Revista Summa among the 100 most successful CentAm businessmen and the other is a former longtime president of the Costa Rican–American Chamber of Commerce aka AMCHAM.

Well then clearly they have some studying, traveling and reading to do in their lives. One speaks from the point of view of a person who flies once a year and treats experiences subjectively, and the other is just a plain xenophobic moron. I hope Mr. Monge comes under fire fro those remarks, as a business leader he has to have social responsibilities too.

Anyway, as the article states, most of the people either don't care or think this is a positive change. I think brighter times are coming to central america's skies on the hands of Avianca and with Don Efro on board. You'll see, what he did for colombian aviation was amazing.


User currently onlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 6
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 94):
Taca A330-200 is ready to go to LIM to make some test and certifications.
This is a picture of the plane in BOG.

First a correction: The picture is not in BOG, but in MDE, where the group's widebodies tend to go for mx.
Great to see an A330 with the Taca logo, even if it is in a small version, among the Star Alliance scheme.
This is the second newest A330 of the group, having being delivered in January of this year.

We'll have to see what routes it will cover. We had heard EZE, MIA, and somebody mentioned LIM-SAL-LAX.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

Regarding the TA 332...all I can say is I really missed the TA widebodies.....and it will be good to see them back.


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 8164 times:
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Hope to see them in GUA? How many are they getting? 2?


avi8
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 8169 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 101):
Hope to see them in GUA? How many are they getting? 2?

For the moment, 2. And probably 0 hope of seeing them in GUA. The plane looks nice with the TA logo btw.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 99):
We'll have to see what routes it will cover. We had heard EZE, MIA, and somebody mentioned LIM-SAL-LAX.

Would a LIM-SAL-LAX routing appeal to connecting and O&D pax traveling between LIM and LAX when there are already 13 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and LAX? What about SCL? TA has consistently lost market-share on the LIM-SCL route; which is the fastest growing international route from SCL. Surely TA would want to offer their pax widebody service on this route; especially since LAN will soon deploy the 787 on the route up to twice daily.


User currently onlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 6
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103):
Would a LIM-SAL-LAX routing appeal to connecting and O&D pax traveling between LIM and LAX when there are already 13 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and LAX?

I presume that most of the passengers on this route are divided into the 2 segments: LIM-SAL who go there to connect to different places in Central and North America, and then there is the SAL-LAX segment that has high demand, and thus an A330 might be warranted. I don't imagine that TA will use the A330 to SCL, as there are many other destinations that would warrant it first.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103):
Would a LIM-SAL-LAX routing appeal to connecting and O&D pax traveling between LIM and LAX when there are already 13 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and LAX?

Some time ago I suggested something like LAX-SAL-MIA-LIM-EZE (but it could be SCL) w/A330 and quickly it was doomed as a bad idea. Still it could be one of the best uses for a TA A330.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

I guess we won't see any more new destinations out of CM for this year. October 31 shoudl be about the last possible date the could do it and still make a Dec launch.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 101):
Hope to see them in GUA?

As long as they can keep them from going off the runway in a rainstorm would be great. This time they don't have Frederico giving orders to go paint out the tail logo before the bags are unloaded. 



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

CM cancels flights due to Hurricane Sandy In Spanish from www.prensa.com
CM has cancelled flights to Jamaica and Bahamas until Saturday due to Cat 2 Hurricane Sandy.
No news yet on possible HAV, MIA and/or MCO flights cancellations.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Hmm, I have a question here. . . if they are re-branding and re-painting, why are they spending money putting a TACA livery on the plane only to repaint it to AVIANCA later?

Secondly, I do not condone the xenophobic rhetoric against Colombia. Unfair and unjustified and indignant.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7565 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 108):
Hmm, I have a question here. . . if they are re-branding and re-painting, why are they spending money putting a TACA livery on the plane only to repaint it to AVIANCA later?

Because the Avianca livery will be gone too. Every new airplane the group is receiving has has the Star Alliance livery with Avianca and Taca logo on front. Early next year they will present the new livery for the group.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 107):

CM cancels flights due to Hurricane Sandy In Spanish from www.prensa.com
CM has cancelled flights to Jamaica and Bahamas until Saturday due to Cat 2 Hurricane Sandy.
No news yet on possible HAV, MIA and/or MCO flights cancellations.

I would assume they probably cancelled JFK today



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 108):
if they are re-branding and re-painting, why are they spending money putting a TACA livery on the plane only to repaint it to AVIANCA later?

I see it as a cost–effective way to: 1) acknowledge the man who single–handedly (with a bit of help from Lufthansa) secured Star membership, and 2) assuage his battered ego by symbolically displaying the short–lived Lippincott TACA branding on a widebody airliner.

[Edited 2012-10-29 17:27:35]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 112, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

La Nación ran a piece on the inaugural WS flight to LIR this afternoon. (link in Spanish)


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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7393 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 112):

What is the frequency? AC also does LIR too.
Having WS do it is very good and more competitive. Does Skyservice or Transat also run down to LIR?



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

BTW, why do AV and TA titles seem much smaller than other Star Alliance carriers? Can hardly see!


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 113):
What is the frequency?

Twice weekly (Mon/Sat) for now.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Cancellations on October 29th due to the impact of Hurricane Sandy:

TA SAL-IAD
TA SAL-JFK
CM PTY-JFK
CM PTY-IAD
UA EWR-PTY
UA EWR-SJO




.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 113):


What is the frequency?

The press release states WS YYZ-LIR flying twice a week with 73H.
That flight was rather announced for April 2013, some months backward.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 113):
AC also does LIR too.

Correct.
The seasonal AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly will resume their operations in December whilst AC YYZ-LIR goes seasonally from 1x to 3x weekly soon.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 110):
I would assume they probably cancelled JFK today
CM cancels IAD JFK flights due to Sandy in Spanish, from www.prensa.com
CM has cancelled 3 IAD and 8 JFK flights due to Hurricane Sandy.
No word yet if YYZ or even ORD flights will face cancellations, delays or re-scheduling.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Earlier this afternoon Copa announced its SEVENTH daily frequency to San José..

CM192 PTY0708 – 0725SJO E90 D (effective 11DEC2012)
CM193 SJO0826 – 1042PTY E90 D (effective 11DEC2012)



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7226 times:
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WOW! Is there that much demand between those two cities? TA also has a daily flight to SJO


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 120, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 119):
WOW! Is there that much demand between those two cities?

There is a good deal of o/d business traffic but most of it is routed elsewhere in the network via the Tocumen hub.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 119):
TA also has a daily flight to SJO

Their share of that market has probably shrunk to under 15% over the last few years.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 120):
Their share of that market has probably shrunk to under 15% over the last few years.

And now that both TA(AV) and CM belong to Star Alliance, it may shrunk even more..
Best strategy for TA(AV) on the SJO-PTY market would be to fly at times when CM isn't flying.
Go back to that schedule w/PTY-SJO at 0600h and SJO-PTY arriving PTY @ 2200h

Panama Civil Aviation director asked to resign in Spanish, from www.prensa.com
The bereaved of the victims of a plane crash August 2011 are demanding the attorney general that the director of Civil Aviation be separated from his office while the investigation of the crash is done.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

KL adds 45,000 extra seats to AMS-PTY-AMS route from www.prensa.com - in Spanish
KL is to fly its largest B777 daily between AMS and PTY thus beefing up capacity with an additional 45,000 seats per year.
The same La Prensa article comments that rumours are both AF and LH have shown interest in flying to PTY.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Some photos related to the expansion of the main terminal at PTY.
The moving walks haven't been installed yet.












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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 122):
KL is to fly its largest B777 daily between AMS and PTY thus beefing up capacity with an additional 45,000 seats per year.

KL AMS-PTY introduced the daily 777 on October 28th: 5x weekly with 77W plus 2x weekly with 772.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 121):
Best strategy for TA(AV) on the SJO-PTY market would be to fly at times when CM isn't flying.
Go back to that schedule w/PTY-SJO at 0600h and SJO-PTY arriving PTY @ 2200h

Even the former TA flew the PTY-SJO segment following this schedule more than 20 years ago.
TA PTY-SJO 14x weekly doesn't have outbound connections once at PTY. This explains by itself the difference with CM PTY-SJO 42x weekly.
By the way, I don't know how could I describe it properly at this time: TA PTY-SJO, AV PTY-SJO or LR PTY-SJO  

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 6863 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 123):
5x weekly with 77W

Didn't realize it was the "W"....thats nice and probably a good sign you won't see AF if KL is ensuring adequate capacity.
If AF was coming you would probably see a 332 so AF could enter and keep yields decent.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 123):
TA PTY-SJO 14x weekly doesn't have outbound connections once at PTY. This explains by itself the difference with CM PTY-SJO 42x weekly.

It's all relative, now that TA(AV) is Star Alliance, even if the SJO-PTY/PTY-SJO (and SAL-PTY/PTY-SAL) don't bear CM code-share, some kind of interline connections be with CM or UA @ PTY hub could be possible.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 125):
It's all relative, now that TA(AV) is Star Alliance, even if the SJO-PTY/PTY-SJO (and SAL-PTY/PTY-SAL) don't bear CM code-share, some kind of interline connections be with CM or UA @ PTY hub could be possible.

THis whole CM and AV/TA shotgun marriage has got to come unglued at some point.



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User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

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Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6808 times:
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Aside from PTY, SJO and SAL, it's been kind of quiet in the rest of the region. No new announcements at all in GUA.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 128):
Aside from PTY, SJO and SAL, it's been kind of quiet in the rest of the region. No new announcements at all in GUA.

Well RTB did get that new AA. BZE did get CUN from PM.....which is still pending Mexican approval.

I bet you will see some at GUA PTY and BZE announcements in March. Everything seems to be in place



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 128):
Aside from PTY, SJO and SAL, it's been kind of quiet in the rest of the region. No new announcements at all in GUA.

AA MIA-RTB 1x weekly with 738. Effective: November 17th. New flight
AC YYZ-LIR 1x to 3x weekly with 319. Effective: December 19th. Seasonally upgraded
AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly with 319. Resumed on December 24th. Seasonal

The rest of regional jet-line announcements in 2012 correspond to PTY, SJO and SAL, especially at PTY.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

PTY-SJO and v.v. makes good business sense, but not enough demand to create an hourly shuttle service into the late hours of the night.

Yes, when CM is not operating, TA should take advantage of it and offer later flights at night, say a 9:30 last flight from SJO-PTY, getting into PTY by 11:45 p.m. and being able to connect to the ungodly 2:00 a.m. flights to the southern cone countries.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 131):
PTY-SJO and v.v. makes good business sense, but not enough demand to create an hourly shuttle service into the late hours of the night.

Hourly perhaps no, every 90 minutes or so yes.
An option CM should explore is to add SJO twice daily w/stop in DAV. That way CM increases PTY-SJO frequency even more and is able to link DAV to its hub (PTY-DAV-PTY international connecting traffic only).

Quote:
Yes, when CM is not operating, TA should take advantage of it and offer later flights at night, say a 9:30 last flight from SJO-PTY, getting into PTY by 11:45 p.m. and being able to connect to the ungodly 2:00 a.m. flights to the southern cone countries.

It looks like PTY-SJO O/D traffic needs SJO-PTY 0500h and 2130h; PTY-SJO 0530h and 2300h. Flight departures thru the rest of the day seem to be OK.
And I don't know of any 0200h departure to South America anymore; Only airline operating at that time that I know is NK.



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User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Are they any plans to extend the runway @ ONX? Also has anybody heard anything about the new airport in La Union?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 133):
Are they any plans to extend the runway @ ONX?

I really doubt it.
ONX takes so much precious land from the Colon Duty Free Zone and adjacent ports that any runway extension - where it might be possible - would face a vicious reaction against it from them.
There are serious doubts that ONX would be really viable as an airport. Time will tell if the cost of keeping all that land being used for an airport will weight on its favour or on Colon Duty Free Zone and Ports.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (2 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

Seems like PM has had to delay their BZE-CUN startup.....see partial statement from them below

"We know that many of you have been awaiting word on the launch of our Cancun service.

In early October we completed our application for a Mexican license for the route Belize City/Cancun/Belize City. We were advised that our license would be issued by the end of October. We therefore set November 12, 2012 as our inaugural flight. The time has passed without further word from the Mexican Authorities.

Regretfully we must postpone the inaugural service until the license is issued. Once we receive the license, we will advise you, our valued customers, immediately of the start date and schedule for the service to commence.

We look forward to serving Cancun in the near future."



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Loaded schedule for Copa Airlines into the Panama City - Miami service, in terms of weekly frequencies:

December 10 backward: CM PTY-MIA: 28x.
December 10: CM PTY-MIA 28x to 33x.
December 13: CM PTY-MIA 33x to 38x.
December 22: CM PTY-MIA 38x to 33x.
January 26: CM PTY-MIA 33x to 28x.
January 28: CM PTY-MIA 28x to 38x.
March 08 onward: CM PTY-MIA 28x.

I expect further increases during the 2013 Holy Week period.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 136):
I expect further increases during the 2013 Holy Week period.

I'd think CM will also add a couple of MIA flights for Carnival next year, as PTY-MIA-PTY is a very PTY O/D traffic sensitive route and quite popular for Carnival holidays.

Thanks to the hub, PTY-MIA-PTY may be able to support 6 daily flights year-around. That's Something that would mean that chances to see CM @ FLL from PTY one day may be minimal.
As of why CM(P5) doesn't fly BOG-MIA or Colombia-MIA yet, that's up to some @ CM headquarters to answer.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 137):
Thanks to the hub, PTY-MIA-PTY may be able to support 6 daily flights year-around

AA MIA-PTY is 19x weekly at this time and all we know the troubles that the airline is experiencing nowadays. CM PTY-MIA might take advantage due to this fact.
Someone might choose CM SJO-PTY and then CM PTY-MIA due to the limited weekly services on TA/LR SJO-MIA as well as the questioned on-time performance on the dedicated AA MIA-SJO.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 137):
Something that would mean that chances to see CM @ FLL from PTY one day may be minimal.

I agree. Copa Airlines is demonstrating a huge presence at MIA and in my view, there's no reason to diversify the traffic to FLL. CM is growing in Miami and we still haven't heard issues related to capacity.
Furthermore, NK PTY-FLL is thrice a week for the time being and if I recall correctly, their weekly frequencies were larger in the past.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

I think both Spirit and COPA can both maximize their advantage on this and increase service to PTY. If AA's management can't MANAGE their own airline properly nor labor issues nor sabotage of their aircraft by their own mechanics and ground crew, let others earn where AA doesn't deserve it. They can't even keep their passengers happy. It's about multi-tasking for sure. So if they can't handle, soooo . . . what does this tell you?
It tells me one thing . . .. woooooooo. . . COPA bring it on! Let Star Alliance take you where OneWorld can never take you (reliably . . . at least).

AA . . . before you open your mouth, you should be busy handling your customers. I've switched to Star Alliance long ago after my experience in GUA on a MX issue. I got the ground agent in GUA to get me off the Scarebus and get me onto USAirways to get me to Toronto . . . in one piece. . . .



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 138):
Someone might choose CM SJO-PTY and then CM PTY-MIA due to the limited weekly services on TA/LR SJO-MIA as well as the questioned on-time performance on the dedicated AA MIA-SJO

I'd think it's already happening, not only from SJO, but also from MGA, BOG and definitely from CCS.

Quote:
Copa Airlines is demonstrating a huge presence at MIA and in my view, there's no reason to diversify the traffic to FLL.

Yes CM is very committed to MIA, but still no word on a possible Copa Club there, or as I wrote before, on non-stops from Colombia.
If CM is to ever return to DAV, I could then visualize PTY-DAV-FLL w/E190. A different product flown with smaller aircraft to a "MIA alternate airport".



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 140):
I'd think it's already happening, not only from SJO, but also from MGA, BOG and definitely from CCS.

I think the offer from BOG is very generous considering that another 5 cities in the country also have flights to south florida, and will be complemented by a third AV flight to MIA in december. (Right now there's 6 flights a day to MIA (2 widebodies) and 3 to FLL).

But it's true that with one daily E190 TA's presence on the SJO-MIA market is a little bit pathetic, and the situation in Caracas I think has been enormously benefitting the BOG and PTY hubs, as well as POS and CUR.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 140):
Yes CM is very committed to MIA, but still no word on a possible Copa Club there, or as I wrote before, on non-stops from Colombia.

It's a shame that CM* won't be flying to MIA form Colombia, a BOG-MIA flight IMO would do well and offer an alternative to PTY for UIO, GYE, CCS and colombian domestic bound passengers, relieving some pressure from the PTY flights to offer more connections.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 141):
It's a shame that CM* won't be flying to MIA form Colombia, a BOG-MIA flight IMO would do well and offer an alternative to PTY for UIO, GYE, CCS and colombian domestic bound passengers, relieving some pressure from the PTY flights to offer more connections.

To start, CM(P5) could well do an aircraft night swap between MIA and BOG.
IMHO, BOG-MIA O/D traffic is big enough that it could already support a B737 red-eyes both ways year-around, not counting any possible connecting traffic to/from CCS and Colombian domestic @ BOG.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

Would love to see P5 using a 73G from MIA to BAQ, BOG, CTG, MDE if it can support it.
LAN would most likely pick up where AA's pax are being offloaded due to its many cancellations.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 141):
with one daily E190 TA's presence on the SJO-MIA market is a little bit pathetic

Of course. The reason why TA/LR SJO-MIA downgraded their frequencies is still unexplained to me, being the MIA-SJO segment likely the most bulky market linking Central America and South Florida. Ten years ago, TA/LR SJO-MIA was 14x weekly.
AA MIA-SJO took advantage of this fact deploying 28x weekly flights. CM PTY-MIA 28x weekly will soon overtake AA MIA-SJO, in terms of the most crowded Central American route heading to Miami.
I would think MIA-PTY might be surpassing MIA-SJO, speaking about the passengers mobilized in a year-round basis.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 144):
The reason why TA/LR SJO-MIA downgraded their frequencies is still unexplained to me

Three words: diminishing market share.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 142):
To start, CM(P5) could well do an aircraft night swap between MIA and BOG.
IMHO, BOG-MIA O/D traffic is big enough that it could already support a B737 red-eyes both ways year-around, not counting any possible connecting traffic to/from CCS and Colombian domestic @ BOG.

I agree, that could be an option.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 145):
Three words: diminishing market share.

Yes, but what is the reason for that diminishing market share? Prices too high? Costs? Better feed for the flights at AA's MIA than at TA's SJO where they rely mainly on O/D? Certainly not service if your competitor is AA...

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 144):
Ten years ago, TA/LR SJO-MIA was 14x weekly.

I think that this is the kind of market that will be helped with the brand unification. Putting everything under the AV umbrella will make it easier and cheaper to market every flight, plus it will bring further service consistencies.


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Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 146):
what is the reason for that diminishing market share? Prices too high? Costs?

That's why I posted before this is unexplained to me...  
The SJO-MIA is a huge market, analyzing the Central America - South Florida traffic and based on a healthy O&D component.
The withdrawal of one daily flight on TA/LR SJO-MIA some years ago, only gave more power to AA MIA-SJO.
As a matter of fact, NK FLL-SJO is 11x weekly at this time; 14x weekly during the high seasons. No other Central American market is experiencing this behavior based merely on the O&D traffic.
I envisage CM PTY-MIA bears a remarkable component of in-transit passengers.

Regards.



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Reply 148, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6489 times:
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GUA-MIA has a large O/D to MIA as well. 3 daily from AA, one daily TA, and Spirit operates 5 weekly to FLL I think.


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 149, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

Front page article in today's La Nación regarding the future of SJO and renewed talk of the much–anticipated new airport in Coyolar de Orotina (btw the proposed site comes as no surprise to frequent readers of this thread) by 2025.. text also mentions shutting down SYQ (once all domestic and bizjet operations relocate to Alajuela) along with unspecified improvements at XQP, the relocation of LIO due to recurrent flooding of its runway, in addition to new international airports in Sierpe de Osa (Aeropuerto Internacional de la Zona Sur) and now Pital de San Carlos.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 147):
I envisage CM PTY-MIA bears a remarkable component of in-transit passengers.

Must point out that CM PTY-MIA is among the top - if not the one with the most - O/D traffic of all CM routes out of PTY.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (2 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 147):
I envisage CM PTY-MIA bears a remarkable component of in-transit passengers.

Must point out that CM PTY-MIA is among the top - if not the one with the most - O/D traffic of all CM routes out of PTY.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 152, posted (2 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 151):
Must point out that CM PTY-MIA is among the top - if not the one with the most - O/D traffic of all CM routes out of