santos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 705 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11064 times:
Swiss International Air Lines (SWISS) will be adding Singapore to its route network in May of next year. The new long-haul destination, one of Asia’s prime business hubs, will receive daily non-stop service from Zurich using Airbus A340 equipment.
SWISS will be further expanding its range of air services to and from Asia next spring. The carrier will introduce daily non-stop flights between Zurich and Singapore on 12 May 2013.
Schedule:
Zurich - Singapore LX 178 22:45 - 17:10 (the following day)
Singapore - Zurich LX 179 23:05 - 06:10 (the following day)
Great news for LX, will it go head to head with SQ or they will both have a codeshare on the route?
https://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_swiss/media/press_releases/Pages/pr_20120926.aspx
AntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10982 times:
It's maybe more a re-start as they served SIN until spring 2009. Still, great news!
Remember, SQ and LX have quite different departure times - the former departs around midday, the latter in the evening.
Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10863 times:
Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 1): It's maybe more a re-start as they served SIN until spring 2009. Still, great news!
At that time it was as a one-stop service via BKK.
I am not a big fan of SQs morning/midday departures from Europe, like ZRH, CPH, CDG etc, so this is a nice and alternative. If they just can codeshare with SQ, it gives much better opportunity to mix the carriers.
Anyhow, great news.!!
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10473 times:
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 2): I am not a big fan of SQs morning/midday departures from Europe, like ZRH, CPH, CDG etc, so this is a nice and alternative. If they just can codeshare with SQ, it gives much better opportunity to mix the carriers.
Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.
More evening flights please!!
Next flights: CPH-FRA-CPH: CPH-BKK-MNL-BKK-CPH; CPH-BRU-CPH
SASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 663 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10083 times:
Excellent news by LX! Let's just hope the will code share with SQ, so that one can fly LX to SIN and SQ to ZRH
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6): Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.
Exactly! That's why I'll miss SK's BKK route so much!
PhilInBRN From Sweden, joined Jun 2009, 234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6723 times:
Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10): So where does this leaves SQ? Will they be able to sustain their daily A380 service? It will be a shame if they down gauge the service.
Keep in mind that until SQ introduced the A380 to ZRH it operated twice a day 77W flights. In terms of overall seat capacity the change to the big ship was however a downgrade reducing the capacity from 556 by around 148 to the now used business variant of the A380 at 408 seats.
Furthermore late night departures from Europe towards the Far East seem to be quite popular with many travelers. I'm quite confident that given its vast European network LX will be able to attract enough customers to fill this flight in all three classes.
changyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6108 times:
Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10): So where does this leaves SQ? Will they be able to sustain their daily A380 service? It will be a shame if they down gauge the service.
Its hardly any threat by LX...SQ have the OZ connection to ZRH. Infact very high chance it will be a code share flt.
nyswiss From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 day ago) and read 6001 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?
I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes
nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 985 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (8 months 21 hours ago) and read 5319 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?
Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!
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PhilInBRN From Sweden, joined Jun 2009, 234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 5092 times:
Quoting nyswiss (Reply 14): I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes
I heard that the PEK flight might get switched to A333 completely. It will also likely get new time slots.
As far as shifting capacity from the seasonal MIA I'm not so sure. Could be that LX brings back the seasonal second flight to ORD with this aircraft. Let's not forget that LX is to receive another two A333 until next summer, HB-JHM and HB-JHN.
Quoting nethkt (Reply 15): Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!
Hard to imagine that given the large amount of traffic on the ZRH-BKK route.
mdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 330 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 months 18 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
I'd tell LX that if (and only if) they are not making money on BKK then they should switch it to seasonal winter service or drop it. They can codeshare with TG anyway and SIN should be a stronger station for LX than BKK due to the premium traffic of the former.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3382 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
Can't wait to go to SIN
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?
None. We're getting two new A333s next year with one being operated by WK on our behalf on the JFK route.
Quoting nyswiss (Reply 14): I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes
Right. By jiggling around aircraft deployments, they will be able to free up two A340s for the SIN route easily. In fact, there will be one A330 available to open up a new US east-coast or middle east route. The rumour mill is running at full capacity within the company, but I'm not going to start speculating until we'll be hearing something official. EWR is to stay on the A340 from what I heard. It's needed for crew-training.
Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):
I heard that the PEK flight might get switched to A333 completely. It will also likely get new time slots.
That's the plan and has been ever since it was launched, but the Chinese still don't want to give us the slots that we desire, unfortunately. I hope it's a matter of when than if though.
Quoting nethkt (Reply 15): Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!
sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2377 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6): Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.
Don't forget they're feeding hubs in Asia and the Middle East in reverse to the European Carriers. So it makes sense for them to turn the plane around after they arrive early morning and fly them straight back for a morning arrival into Asia. For business people and onward connections that's the ideal time rather than arriving in the late afternoon. That way the carriers get maximum usage out of their aircraft which would otherwise sit around and do nothing all day in Europe.
huaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1086 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3523 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18): See, this snobby attitude has been coming from SQ for years. Let's see how this is going to play out.
I am not sure how an a.netter's comment is supposed to represent an airline's attitude, but even if true, it is not difficult to see why it is said. As someone else mentioned, SQ actually downgraded capacity on the SIN-ZRH route after Swiss left, and the two airlines have long cooperated and remained as codeshare partners after Swiss left SIN. The timing of the new Swiss flights actually show likely cooperation rather than direct competition.
Anyway, the two airlines are likely to work together even closer again, as Swiss aims to codeshare into Australia, most likely via SQ's flights.
SR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 766 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3317 times:
Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):
Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!
Hard to imagine that given the large amount of traffic on the ZRH-BKK route.
Agreed, and yields seem to be somehow higher than on AF, LH, or SK.
HAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
This announcement needs to be seen in the light of the recent LH decision to stop serving MUC-SIN. The ZRH-SIN route on LX makes more sense for the LH group as both cities are important financial centers and therefore generate plenty of premium traffic.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21507 posts, RR: 24 Reply 23, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?
None. We're getting two new A333s next year with one being operated by WK on our behalf on the JFK route.
Do WK and LX have separate operating certificates? If they do, are there any problems when WK crews fly an LX aircraft, assuming the two new A333s are both LX aircraft?
nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 985 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2912 times:
People talk so much about yield.
I'd never believe it unless they could prove me with the non-manipulated figures.
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25 ManekS: I doubt LH would cut BKK, despite being a poor performer. That leaves OS. I wonder how VIE-BKK is holding up.
26 SR4ever: Cutting BKK would be extreme I agree, but don't forget that TG substitution of its 744 with 388 will bring further capacity on the market. A downgaug
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