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Swiss To (re)Start Zurich-Singapore  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12171 times:

Swiss International Air Lines (SWISS) will be adding Singapore to its route network in May of next year. The new long-haul destination, one of Asia’s prime business hubs, will receive daily non-stop service from Zurich using Airbus A340 equipment.

SWISS will be further expanding its range of air services to and from Asia next spring. The carrier will introduce daily non-stop flights between Zurich and Singapore on 12 May 2013.

Schedule:
Zurich - Singapore LX 178 22:45 - 17:10 (the following day)
Singapore - Zurich LX 179 23:05 - 06:10 (the following day)

Great news for LX, will it go head to head with SQ or they will both have a codeshare on the route?
https://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_swiss/media/press_releases/Pages/pr_20120926.aspx

[Edited 2012-09-26 01:08:10]

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12089 times:

It's maybe more a re-start as they served SIN until spring 2009. Still, great news!
Remember, SQ and LX have quite different departure times - the former departs around midday, the latter in the evening.



Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 1):
It's maybe more a re-start as they served SIN until spring 2009. Still, great news!

At that time it was as a one-stop service via BKK.
I am not a big fan of SQs morning/midday departures from Europe, like ZRH, CPH, CDG etc, so this is a nice and alternative. If they just can codeshare with SQ, it gives much better opportunity to mix the carriers.
Anyhow, great news.!!



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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

Great that it's a daily route, which is much more competitive than the 6-weekly one-stop service which was destined for failure.

They seem to be trying to replicate AY's decision to also relaunch SIN as a non-stop flight rather than to route it via BKK?



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11855 times:

This was posted shortly before your post:

Swiss To Singapore As Of May 2013 (by First Class Sep 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinemaneks From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11610 times:

Fantastic news and long overdue. I can't wait to fly this route after years of hoping SWISS would relaunch Singapore.

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11580 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 2):
I am not a big fan of SQs morning/midday departures from Europe, like ZRH, CPH, CDG etc, so this is a nice and alternative. If they just can codeshare with SQ, it gives much better opportunity to mix the carriers.

Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.

More evening flights please!!



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently online9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11513 times:

Great news!

I wonder which Terminal they will use at Changi? 2 with LH, 3 with SQ or their old one at 1


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11190 times:
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Excellent news by LX! Let's just hope the will code share with SQ, so that one can fly LX to SIN and SQ to ZRH  
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):
Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.

Exactly! That's why I'll miss SK's BKK route so much!



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11170 times:
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Not surprising given that Singapore Air flies its A380 to Zurich.

User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10906 times:

So where does this leaves SQ? Will they be able to sustain their daily A380 service? It will be a shame if they down gauge the service.

User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
So where does this leaves SQ? Will they be able to sustain their daily A380 service? It will be a shame if they down gauge the service.

Keep in mind that until SQ introduced the A380 to ZRH it operated twice a day 77W flights. In terms of overall seat capacity the change to the big ship was however a downgrade reducing the capacity from 556 by around 148 to the now used business variant of the A380 at 408 seats.

Furthermore late night departures from Europe towards the Far East seem to be quite popular with many travelers. I'm quite confident that given its vast European network LX will be able to attract enough customers to fill this flight in all three classes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7631 times:

ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?

User currently offlinechangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7215 times:
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Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
So where does this leaves SQ? Will they be able to sustain their daily A380 service? It will be a shame if they down gauge the service.

Its hardly any threat by LX...SQ have the OZ connection to ZRH. Infact very high chance it will be a code share flt.


User currently offlinenyswiss From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?

I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes


User currently onlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1087 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?

Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 14):
I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes

I heard that the PEK flight might get switched to A333 completely. It will also likely get new time slots.

As far as shifting capacity from the seasonal MIA I'm not so sure. Could be that LX brings back the seasonal second flight to ORD with this aircraft. Let's not forget that LX is to receive another two A333 until next summer, HB-JHM and HB-JHN.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):
Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!

Hard to imagine that given the large amount of traffic on the ZRH-BKK route.


User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

I'd tell LX that if (and only if) they are not making money on BKK then they should switch it to seasonal winter service or drop it. They can codeshare with TG anyway and SIN should be a stronger station for LX than BKK due to the premium traffic of the former.

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Can't wait to go to SIN  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?

None. We're getting two new A333s next year with one being operated by WK on our behalf on the JFK route.

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 14):
I think they get a new A330 which will replace part of the A 340 capacity to EWR and PEK and use that aircraft for SIN as far as I have heard, they might also use the capacity of the seasonal flight to MIA, so they wouldn't have to drop any routes

Right. By jiggling around aircraft deployments, they will be able to free up two A340s for the SIN route easily. In fact, there will be one A330 available to open up a new US east-coast or middle east route. The rumour mill is running at full capacity within the company, but I'm not going to start speculating until we'll be hearing something official. EWR is to stay on the A340 from what I heard. It's needed for crew-training.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):

I heard that the PEK flight might get switched to A333 completely. It will also likely get new time slots.

That's the plan and has been ever since it was launched, but the Chinese still don't want to give us the slots that we desire, unfortunately. I hope it's a matter of when than if though.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):
Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!

BKK is staying. It's doing well as far as I know.

Quoting changyou (Reply 13):
Its hardly any threat by LX

See, this snobby attitude has been coming from SQ for years. Let's see how this is going to play out.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3094 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):
Exactly. I prefer the late departures from Europe going East, which means you will arrive 2-3 pm'ish in Asia without having to stay awake the whole day. Unfortunately not only SQ but also TG and many of the Middle Eastern Carriers leave in the morning or mid day.

Don't forget they're feeding hubs in Asia and the Middle East in reverse to the European Carriers. So it makes sense for them to turn the plane around after they arrive early morning and fly them straight back for a morning arrival into Asia. For business people and onward connections that's the ideal time rather than arriving in the late afternoon. That way the carriers get maximum usage out of their aircraft which would otherwise sit around and do nothing all day in Europe.


User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18):
See, this snobby attitude has been coming from SQ for years. Let's see how this is going to play out.

I am not sure how an a.netter's comment is supposed to represent an airline's attitude, but even if true, it is not difficult to see why it is said. As someone else mentioned, SQ actually downgraded capacity on the SIN-ZRH route after Swiss left, and the two airlines have long cooperated and remained as codeshare partners after Swiss left SIN. The timing of the new Swiss flights actually show likely cooperation rather than direct competition.

Anyway, the two airlines are likely to work together even closer again, as Swiss aims to codeshare into Australia, most likely via SQ's flights.

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...ews/codeshares-next-as-swiss-grows

[Edited 2012-09-28 06:32:59]


It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):

Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):Closing BKK maybe the other option?
So many rumours about one of the LH group airlines will stop BKK, either LH, OS or LX.
So this might be it!!

Hard to imagine that given the large amount of traffic on the ZRH-BKK route.

Agreed, and yields seem to be somehow higher than on AF, LH, or SK.


User currently offlineHAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

This announcement needs to be seen in the light of the recent LH decision to stop serving MUC-SIN. The ZRH-SIN route on LX makes more sense for the LH group as both cities are important financial centers and therefore generate plenty of premium traffic.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
ZRH-SIN-ZRH daily requires more than one aircraft. What route(s) are they dropping to make the aircraft available for SIN?

None. We're getting two new A333s next year with one being operated by WK on our behalf on the JFK route.



Do WK and LX have separate operating certificates? If they do, are there any problems when WK crews fly an LX aircraft, assuming the two new A333s are both LX aircraft?


User currently onlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1087 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

People talk so much about yield.
I'd never believe it unless they could prove me with the non-manipulated figures.



Let's just blame it on yields.
25 ManekS : I doubt LH would cut BKK, despite being a poor performer. That leaves OS. I wonder how VIE-BKK is holding up.
26 SR4ever : Cutting BKK would be extreme I agree, but don't forget that TG substitution of its 744 with 388 will bring further capacity on the market. A downgaug
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