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Comair's Last Flight? (DL)  
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

With the end of Comair coming up soon does anyone know what the last flight will be for them?


"To fly or not to fly there is no question!"
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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Last inbound to OH operated flight to CVG is 3205 IAH-CVG on 28th. Last CREW to come home is DH on 3834 (9E) DTW-CVG at 1641 on 29 Sept. I don't know what the last crews flight into DTW is sked to be.

There will be people at the airport both days to welcome the crews/flights home to for the last "brakes set."



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9053 times:
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the only commuter that refused meager fees for their services, and look what happaned..

the others followed Mesa's lead, they took whatever the legacies gave them and they're still alive.

My respects to Comair


User currently offlineKLH8KCAB From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

"My respects to Comair"

Agreed. Hats off to Comair employees.


User currently offlinevgnatl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
My respects to Comair

Here here.

Comair was a greatly run company from a people perspective. Working there, you really did feel like part of a family. They may have made some bad decisions (being acquired by DL way back when was probably the worst), but it was a great company with a great history, and they'll be missed.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7877 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Wow it's really the end. They did a great time taking me back and forth on ATL-BUF-ATL. They will be missed.

Good luck to the pilots. I know DL's a business and this wouldn't make any business sense, but I did wish DL did something with the employees instead of dump them off...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

I didn't look too hard, but I think the last revenue departure is 3002 from GRR to DTW on the 28th. Dep 745p.


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Wonder if we'll see any pic's from the last flight?


"To fly or not to fly there is no question!"
User currently onlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

What about flight 3200 JAX-MSP on the 29th?

User currently offlineBigSaabowski From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting michman (Reply 8):
What about flight 3200 JAX-MSP on the 29th?

Yes, that's the last scheduled Comair revenue flight.


User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

I really feel for the employees. I flew OH when I was a nonrev, and even to little 'ol me, they were great. A true class act is no more, sadly.

Also, on a semi-related note, does anyone know the tail/fleet numbers of the aircraft operating these historic flights?



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Good luck to the pilots. I know DL's a business and this wouldn't make any business sense, but I did wish DL did something with the employees instead of dump them off...

They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)



yep.
User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

#3025 IAH-CVG tonight was 10025...a -700. Over 300 people on the ramp/gatehouse for them. Beautiful! Water Canon and all...I bid off this weekend to be there. Loved it!


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User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Well, I'm truly sorry to the OH folks, they ran a classy operation, good luck to them.

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Looks like OH 3200 (JAX-MSP) is actually the last revenue flight for Comair.

I worked for this airline from 2006-2009 and thoroughly enjoyed the company. They treated us like humans instead of liabilities and family instead of cheap labor. Back then I'd say staff morale was pretty good and most people genuinely enjoyed coming to work everyday. Shame it had to end...

Best of luck to the great folks at Comair as they embark on new adventures!


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)

Not really, right now with the new contract, they temporarily have a surplus of pilots since the contract makes the pilot group more productive (not quite to the NW level, but closer). Also the first 717 isn't showing up on property until August 2013, plus you have flow through agreements with others, specifically Compass.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1379 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5119 times:

Can someone remind me where the CRJ 700 & 900s are going now? I assume the CRJ 200s are being ditched completely but what company gets the 700 and 800s?


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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5080 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COM3236

I noticed this flight is on its way to ATL. I'm assuming going to ExpressJet as several OH 900s have been coming in the last week or two for transition into the ASQ fleet.


User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5059 times:

The actual final flight of Comair. Good luck to all of the employees!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COM3200

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...t-flight-to-land-in.html?ana=yfcpc



Now You're Flying Smart.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4990 times:

It is kind of sad as to where the business has gone. Back in the day there were 4 Delta Connection carries...now only one of them remains... Skywest...


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7877 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
They could easily bring them to Delta if they wanted. With the 717s coming they are going to have to hire mostly every where(ok talking frontline here)

I think a big concern would be the problems they'd bring. If you kept their years of seniority that would cause a lot of problems (and their pay would be higher) but if you put them on the bottom they'd be pissed they lost their seniority. Business-wise, it makes sense just to cut ties with them



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4853 times:

Folks, that was the last revenue flight INTO CVG. I was pretty clear on that. I said there would be another flight with a DH today.


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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

I've admired the Comair crews for a long time. When I was at XJ, I always enjoyed visiting with them. They were really a class act. Thanks guys and gals for being among the best in the business right up until the very last day. I hope you all get other jobs quickly so the industry can continue to benefit from your professionalism.


Good goes around!
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 17):
Can someone remind me where the CRJ 700 & 900s are going now? I assume the CRJ 200s are being ditched completely but what company gets the 700 and 800s?

IIRC:

(3) -700's going to ExpressJet
(6) -900's going to ExpressJet
(10) -700's going to GoJets
(2) -700's going to SkyWest
(7) -900's going to Skywest



"To fly or not to fly there is no question!"
User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Comair will be missed they allowed me to go to school to get my dispatch license as well as I worked on the ramp for them for a number of years they will be missed

User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21), "if you put them on the bottom they'd be pissed they lost their seniority."

No, they wouldn't. That's the way it works in the airline industry. Pilots understand this and accept it.

The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

e38

[Edited 2012-09-29 19:31:11]

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Quoting e38 (Reply 26):
The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

Maybe most, but you could bet there'd be some bellyachers.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

My best wishes to the employees of OH, especially my Uncle, who has worked with them for quite some time.

Quoting e38 (Reply 26):
The Comair pilots would be grateful to have a flying job.

From what I have heard, the OH pilots who suffered most were the ones who were trained on the 50-seaters. Some of them may be transferred to OO, but most will be laid off. The ones on the larger OH airplanes which are being sold to the other airlines may be (don't quote me on this) transferred too, but that hasn't been all set up. Some of the people working for OH's office also got transferred to various regional airlines.

Rumor circulating too that OH's former corporate headquarters will either be shut down and demolished or will house offices for OO or some other regional airline. I would like someone to elaborate more on this for me, if that's possible.

Always OH has been able to take me to places far away from the dump of my hometown (GO REDS!), but I guess in the last 15 or so years the love-hate relationship with DL has finally taken its toll. Fly high, Comair   


Oh- where is the operating certificate going?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):
the only commuter that refused meager fees for their services

Atlantic Coast employees will disagree.


Best wishes to all Comair folks.



FLYi
User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

Rumor circulating too that OH's former corporate headquarters will either be shut down and demolished or will house offices for OO or some other regional airline. I would like someone to elaborate more on this for me, if that's possible.

the 'new' building supposedly will see some use by Southern Air (cargo) and other offices. the offices attached to the hagars (along with the hangars) are being occupied by the remaining Comair staff and Pinnacle who is opening a mx base at CVG.



ex-OH@CVG
User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

From what I have heard, the OH pilots who suffered most were the ones who were trained on the 50-seaters. Some of them may be transferred to OO, but most will be laid off. The ones on the larger OH airplanes which are being sold to the other airlines may be (don't quote me on this) transferred too, but that hasn't been all set up. Some of the people working for OH's office also got transferred to various regional airlines.

Doesn't work that way. If any former OH pilots (or any other job description) come to OO, or any other regional, they will more than likely get preferential interviews, but they won't just be "transferred." They will start at the bottom of the seniority list, like anyone else "off the street."

As for the aircraft, well, Delta owns those. They aren't being sold to anyone. They can use them as whipsaw (unfortunately...)

Quoting PITrules (Reply 29):
Atlantic Coast employees will disagree.

And SkyWest will disagree as well. (The airline may still be around, but from what I hear, they not only said 'no,' but 'Hell No!" to a major when asked to fly at Colgan rates.



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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
where is the operating certificate going?

It'll probably sit in a filing cabinet in ATL. IIRC the FlyI certificate fetched about $2m, because NW needed it to launch Compass quickly, rather than certify the new carrier from scratch. Once all recall rights at Comair have expired, Delta can use the certificate as "cost insurance" in case the regionals in the future decide not to race to the bottom. If the regional flying gets too expensive to outsource, they could pull it out, rename it, and move aircraft to that ticket.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 31):
It'll probably sit in a filing cabinet in ATL. IIRC the FlyI certificate fetched about $2m, because NW needed it to launch Compass quickly, rather than certify the new carrier from scratch. Once all recall rights at Comair have expired, Delta can use the certificate as "cost insurance" in case the regionals in the future decide not to race to the bottom. If the regional flying gets too expensive to outsource, they could pull it out, rename it, and move aircraft to that ticket.

While I agree, there has to be at least 1 airplane on the certificate and a management staff to run said certificated airline. If not, the certificate will be revoked.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting 727forever (Reply 32):
While I agree, there has to be at least 1 airplane on the certificate and a management staff to run said certificated airline. If not, the certificate will be revoked.

What was the airplane on the FlyI ticket? NW pulled 2 CRJ-200's from XJ to launch Compass. Since FlyI returned all aircraft, was there a plane left to keep on the ticket? I don't doubt what you are saying, it makes sense. Just curious.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 33):
What was the airplane on the FlyI ticket?

As I recall it was one CRJ-200 previously of the XJ certificate. What I don't know is how long a certificate can go without an airplane before it will be revoked. All of the flyi folks who went with the certificate maintained qualification on the lone CRJ even though the airplane was never intended to fly a single revenue flight at Compass.


727forever



727forever
User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2380 times:

last i heard, both the 121 and 145 are supposed to be surrendered to the faa by the end of the year


ex-OH@CVG
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

It all depends how busy a FSDO is. Sometimes they'll let an operator slide a bit if they know the certificate holder is actively looking to sell or acquire another aircraft. Some will axe it the moment the last plane is gone and payroll ceases.

Its all political. The more certified scheduled air carriers a FSDO has, the more money the POI/PMI/PSI make.

-n



xx
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

errr... PSI is now TSA... my bad.


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