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Rumor: QR To Join OneWorld?  
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18666 times:

So a little birdie, whom is a very reliable source of information within the airline industry has indicated that QR will announce their entry into OneWorld within the next week or so.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

I believe it will be a great addition to OneWorld and its current partners. Good luck to them.

Cheers,


Christopher W Slovacek
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User currently offlinegegarrenton From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18688 times:

The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance. Hopefully QR comes in, and EK JV's with AA, that would be pretty effective.

User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18690 times:

Like I said, it has been decided. The announcement should be forthcoming within the next week or so.


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlineAAexecplat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18664 times:

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 1):
The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance. Hopefully QR comes in, and EK JV's with AA, that would be pretty effective.

If QR joined OW and AA created a relationship with EK, AA will be a GREAT place to be a frequent flyer for both network and redemption options.


User currently offlinelaolao From Laos, joined May 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18622 times:

If this comes true, all ME carriers are more or less connected to OneWorld.
Not consistent with the QF-EK joint venture. and also AB-EY doesn't fit in this scenario.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18462 times:

Quite surprising I must say. I always thought they would end up in Star Alliance in the end. Would have made more sense with the EK and EY connections to oneWorld.

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18255 times:

Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18092 times:

They're a bit late to the party -- the rest of the world has started moving away from these broad alliances in favour of more targeted (and far deeper) partnerships. Still, could be useful for OW, which lacks connections into northern Africa.

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.

While many of us think that QR could have been a very effective partner for QF, EK offers them significantly more than QR can right now. A partnership between QF and QR would have been a 10 year development of a new approach to the Kangaroo Route, but QF needed a network that was ready to go today. EK offers that, QR doesn't come close to (especially on this end, where they have no further rights beyond their MEL/PER flights).

EK would have trodden all over a QF-QR relationship, I think QF did the right thing. They would have known about these plans months and months ago (airlines don't just join an alliance overnight), and made their decision with all the facts.


User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18004 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts on the matter?

Old news that has been widely speculated on: http://airceo.com/?p=10966

After the EK-QF tie up there was some thought that this would not go ahead. Glad this is going ahead!

YOWza



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User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17980 times:
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Wow...this would be surprising for me...

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 5):
I always thought they would end up in Star Alliance in the end

I would have to agree with you on that one.

Im also surprised that EK is partnering up with so many OW airlines, as I thought EY would be interested in partnering up with OW, since they own a large part of AB



Cheers;
User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17419 times:

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 9):
as I thought EY would be interested in partnering up with OW, since they own a large part of AB

People say that with virgin and their large SQ ownership.... ie that they should be in STAR but 10 years later... nothing!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17317 times:
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Interesting. While I hope this goes through, IMHO the QF/EK alliance has diluted the value of OneWorld for QR. Not to the point they shouldn't join, but it does dilute the value.

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 1):
The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance.

   What happened to the rumor that BA would codeshre with EK too?

Quoting laolao (Reply 4):
If this comes true, all ME carriers are more or less connected to OneWorld.

This will be an interesting twist. But I wonder if EY wouldn't then try for another alliance (despite AB)?

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Yes. QF needed the European connections and African connections. QF also benfits by blunting EK a little by partnering with them. QR was a good 2nd choice, certainly not the best for QF.

I will wait and see if this announcement happens.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14389 times:

I think EK would bring more to OneWorld than QR but EK has been very relunctant to join any alliance.


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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13705 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?

Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.

QF did have talks with QR at some point. In the end, they saw more value in an EK partnership than in a QR partnership.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3207 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
QF did have talks with QR at some point. In the end, they saw more value in an EK partnership than in a QR partnership.

Yep and so do I. Reason. QF can't, without cutting other routes, start too many new services to the middle east in a FAST period of time. It has to wait for new aircraft and we know what happened there. Next, DXB is the premier hub in the region, much like SIN over KUL. QF wants the more desirable stop over, the place more likely to attract direct business traffic and the place offering by far the most connections. DOH is none of those, it just has a high quality carrier, and although its working on it, a massively constrained airport. Next, this puts QF back in the game virtually straight away and gives it an up in the corporate market over the likes of Singapore Airlines. And lastly, without a doubt DXB is going to be THE most important middle east hub for a time to come. Just because oneworld couldn't see it, doesn't mean QF should miss out. If anything (and i suspect it is sort of over BA's dead body) oneworld should have been courting EK. QF was just the one smart enough to think of it first, even though it did seem extremely unlikely.


User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12427 times:

I think EK would be better to oneworld because of the JV with AA and their new partnership with QF.

When QR announced ORD, I thought it was just expansion to an untapped market. But since AA has a hub there, there my be some truth to this rumor after all. If QR adds MIA and DFW, then I would say for sure that they will join oneworld, along with SCL and SYD.



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User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12236 times:
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Ok while I agree that EK might bring more has it occurred to anyone that oneworld approached EK and was rebuffed? Maybe QR is the next best option.

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9895 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 14):
QF was just the one smart enough to think of it first

Seems AA may follow suit. At least some reports quoted on this site seem to suggest so.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9424 times:

If QR does join OneWorld, this would be very interesting as EK has signed a JV with OneWorld member' Qantas.


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User currently offlineAmfleet82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Does this move bode ill for the DOH-IAD flight? I have used it many times, though only when i could get some UA miles for flying it, and it was always full. Hopefully the IAD market is large enough to support QR without the UA through ticketing.

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quote:

ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."

Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."

Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/49229037



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User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

Well, if true this would mean that my source was correct, but the announcement got somehow delayed (maybe because the EK-QR tie-up?).

Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

As it already has been said, it would be indeed a great addition to Oneworld, I hope that we hear about it soon!   


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7549 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 20):
ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."

Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."
Quoting Markam (Reply 21):

Well, if true this would mean that my source was correct, but the announcement got somehow delayed (maybe because the EK-QR tie-up?).

Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

As it already has been said, it would be indeed a great addition to Oneworld, I hope that we hear about it soon!   

Given QR has already denied it, I think we can count them out. If QR were going to join OW, they would not blatantly deny it. Instead, they would simply not comment on it.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
This will be an interesting twist. But I wonder if EY wouldn't then try for another alliance (despite AB)?

A sign or not, but KLM CEO Hartman confirmed that AF-KLM is in final talks for a joint-venture with Etihad. It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.

Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?

Cheers!   



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7336 times:
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Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 23):
It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.

Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?

Skyteam has to be hungry for a better connection to India/SE Asia. If QR is not flirting with them, than Skyteam should wink at EY.

Lightsaber



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25 SR4ever : There have been such rumours since last Spring, but at every occurance came an official denial. Should EY join Flying Blue in full (i.e. with bonus a
26 AeroWesty : The Financial Times is now reporting that QR is joining oneworld. The article is for subscribers, but some of it appears to be available via a Google
27 Post contains links EddieDude : http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/18b19...d8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz286uQkv44 I was able to open it and read it all without a subscription.
28 vikinga346 : It has been publicly addressed today that QR are confirmed to be joining OneWorld. Don't always believe everything you hear in the media! CEOs do oft
29 Nimish : Any reference to this public address?
30 LHRFlyer : If The Financial Times is reporting that Qatar is joining Oneworld then (barring any last minute contractual problems) it's probably safe to say that
31 vikinga346 : Financial Times has it as an article today. Scroll up for the link. QR's joining of oneworld will be officially** announced most likely on Monday, if
32 Post contains images HELyes : I wonder if this is the reason why QR first said they will open DOH-HEL in the and of 2012 and then total silence... I'm afraid this means no new rout
33 QatarA340 : Akbar Al-Baker denied this AGAIN just moments ago in a speech at Carnagie Mellon University, Qatar. Interesting to see if they WILL or WILL NOT.
34 EddieDude : That might not be devoid of consequences though. If the company in question is publicly-traded, by giving information to the public that is misleadin
35 deltamartin : Now this is really interesting! I guess we'll have to wait and see on Monday.
36 jumpjets : I believe that QR is owned 50% by the Qatari Government and 50% by private shareholders. As far as I can ascertain it is not listed on any stock exch
37 EddieDude : Thanks Jumpjets. Agree with you.
38 vikinga346 : It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this. It will be interesting to hear him speak on Monday at the joining ceremony in New
39 LHRFlyer : I think it may reflect different approaches to dealing with the media. In the UK, relations between PR officers and the media are quite close (people
40 Post contains images LifelinerOne : KLM CEO Hartman said it out loud last month during a Q&A session with the press. It was reported here in The Netherlands on trustworthy newsoutle
41 Post contains images ASA : So you are saying that QR is joining OW for sure? Maybe he is emphatically denying this because he is irritated at the fact that his nemesis EK is in
42 mozart : It is not uncomon in business in Qatar to say one thing publicly, to say something else privately, and in the end to do what the government thinks sho
43 SR4ever : I really wonder why they would lean in favour of OW rather than Star. Afterall, QR has some (limited) cooperations with LH.
44 Post contains links and images Markam : So, it looks like Al-Baker changed his mind over a fortnight... or that he wanted the announcement to actually be a surprise for greater PR effect. In
45 RyanairGuru : I doubt that LH would be interested in any further partnership, but even if they did I'm sure AC would veto it. Star has publicly stated that they're
46 RyanairGuru : QR's position seems to have gone from "no no no no no" to "decline to comment". Interesting
47 jumpjets : The Reuters article is dated Tuesday of this week - the same day according to reply 33 on this thread that Mr Al-Baker once again denied that QR were
48 by738 : Think that will come back to haunt them
49 RyanairGuru : Oh I agree 100%. I don't see why the greater good of the alliance should be held hostage by two airlines stuck in the 1970s
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