AAexecplat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 572 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17548 times:
Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 1): The rumor has been floating for awhile. I like it, but EK would bring more, and they are recalcitrant to join an alliance. Hopefully QR comes in, and EK JV's with AA, that would be pretty effective.
If QR joined OW and AA created a relationship with EK, AA will be a GREAT place to be a frequent flyer for both network and redemption options.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2604 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16976 times:
They're a bit late to the party -- the rest of the world has started moving away from these broad alliances in favour of more targeted (and far deeper) partnerships. Still, could be useful for OW, which lacks connections into northern Africa.
Quoting anstar (Reply 6): Would QF have gotten into bed with EK if they knew QR was joining just around the corner?
Whilst I am implying QR is not joining Oneworld I am just curious as to QF's decision to jump i with EK instead.
While many of us think that QR could have been a very effective partner for QF, EK offers them significantly more than QR can right now. A partnership between QF and QR would have been a 10 year development of a new approach to the Kangaroo Route, but QF needed a network that was ready to go today. EK offers that, QR doesn't come close to (especially on this end, where they have no further rights beyond their MEL/PER flights).
EK would have trodden all over a QF-QR relationship, I think QF did the right thing. They would have known about these plans months and months ago (airlines don't just join an alliance overnight), and made their decision with all the facts.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3086 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11647 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13): QF did have talks with QR at some point. In the end, they saw more value in an EK partnership than in a QR partnership.
Yep and so do I. Reason. QF can't, without cutting other routes, start too many new services to the middle east in a FAST period of time. It has to wait for new aircraft and we know what happened there. Next, DXB is the premier hub in the region, much like SIN over KUL. QF wants the more desirable stop over, the place more likely to attract direct business traffic and the place offering by far the most connections. DOH is none of those, it just has a high quality carrier, and although its working on it, a massively constrained airport. Next, this puts QF back in the game virtually straight away and gives it an up in the corporate market over the likes of Singapore Airlines. And lastly, without a doubt DXB is going to be THE most important middle east hub for a time to come. Just because oneworld couldn't see it, doesn't mean QF should miss out. If anything (and i suspect it is sort of over BA's dead body) oneworld should have been courting EK. QF was just the one smart enough to think of it first, even though it did seem extremely unlikely.
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 784 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11311 times:
I think EK would be better to oneworld because of the JV with AA and their new partnership with QF.
When QR announced ORD, I thought it was just expansion to an untapped market. But since AA has a hub there, there my be some truth to this rumor after all. If QR adds MIA and DFW, then I would say for sure that they will join oneworld, along with SCL and SYD.
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Amfleet82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8181 times:
Does this move bode ill for the DOH-IAD flight? I have used it many times, though only when i could get some UA miles for flying it, and it was always full. Hopefully the IAD market is large enough to support QR without the UA through ticketing.
QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1618 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7578 times:
ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."
Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6787 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6575 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 20): ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Qatar Airways has no plans to join the oneworld airline alliance, its Chief Executive Akbar al-Baker said on Sunday, dismissing reports that the airline had become the newest member of the group as "rumor."
Asked if the carrier would join oneworld, which includes British Airways, owned by IAG , Baker said: "No, we will not. It's all rumors."
Quoting Markam (Reply 21):
Well, if true this would mean that my source was correct, but the announcement got somehow delayed (maybe because the EK-QR tie-up?).
Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement (by Markam Jul 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)
As it already has been said, it would be indeed a great addition to Oneworld, I hope that we hear about it soon!
Given QR has already denied it, I think we can count them out. If QR were going to join OW, they would not blatantly deny it. Instead, they would simply not comment on it.
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LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1881 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6283 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11): This will be an interesting twist. But I wonder if EY wouldn't then try for another alliance (despite AB)?
A sign or not, but KLM CEO Hartman confirmed that AF-KLM is in final talks for a joint-venture with Etihad. It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.
SR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 767 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6263 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 23): A sign or not, but KLM CEO Hartman confirmed that AF-KLM is in final talks for a joint-venture with Etihad. It would first be for flights from AF-KLM to India and Asia, via Abu Dhabi and Etihad flights to North- and South-America via Amsterdam and Paris.
Maybe a tie-up with Skyteam is next?
There have been such rumours since last Spring, but at every occurance came an official denial.
Should EY join Flying Blue in full (i.e. with bonus award miles for higher tiers, qualifying status flights and status miles), I would certainly consider them when travelling to ME and Asia, whereas I now tend to focus on TK, LX, TG (+BR once thew join Star).
For Easter 2013, I"d like to spend a week in BKK and around (possibly with an extension to MFM, flying Thai Smile), and I really don't know how to fly to BKK from Europe on Skyteam in a way which I will enjoy. EY would be the best answer..
Still, a great pity that AF vetoed MH application for Skyteam membership, regardless al the years of cooperation which MH and KLM haf forged together. Even though MH is in trouble now, it would have been a superb extension of ST.
Should EY join ST, we can reasonably expect downgauges on KL and AF direct flights to South Asia...
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19250 posts, RR: 63 Reply 26, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6079 times:
The Financial Times is now reporting that QR is joining oneworld. The article is for subscribers, but some of it appears to be available via a Google search on "Qatar Airways joins oneworld alliance" (without quotes).
vikinga346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 28, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5820 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22): Given QR has already denied it, I think we can count them out. If QR were going to join OW, they would not blatantly deny it. Instead, they would simply not comment on it.
It has been publicly addressed today that QR are confirmed to be joining OneWorld. Don't always believe everything you hear in the media! CEOs do often deny rumours because they don't want to give any competitors an advantage prior to it being announced to everyone.
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LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 745 posts, RR: 1 Reply 30, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5678 times:
If The Financial Times is reporting that Qatar is joining Oneworld then (barring any last minute contractual problems) it's probably safe to say that it is happening. The FT's track record on IAG stories is very good.
QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1618 posts, RR: 7 Reply 33, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5256 times:
Quoting HELyes (Reply 32): I wonder if this is the reason why QR first said they will open DOH-HEL in the and of 2012 and then total silence... I'm afraid this means no new route, just codeshares with AY
[Edited 2012-10-02 04:50:52]
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 31):
Financial Times has it as an article today. Scroll up for the link.
QR's joining of oneworld will be officially** announced most likely on Monday, if not before.
Akbar Al-Baker denied this AGAIN just moments ago in a speech at Carnagie Mellon University, Qatar. Interesting to see if they WILL or WILL NOT.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7251 posts, RR: 45 Reply 34, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 28): CEOs do often deny rumours because they don't want to give any competitors an advantage prior to it being announced to everyone.
That might not be devoid of consequences though. If the company in question is publicly-traded, by giving information to the public that is misleading, erroneous or false, the officer who denies something that is actually happening might be violating securities laws or the rules of the stock exchange where the shares of the company are listed. The rule is that any important developments in connection with a public company need to be disclosed to the public as soon as they happen. Companies can defer the disclosure of an important event until the same is actually consummated, so long as there are no leaks to the public or the media, and there are no major movements in the price of its stock. In other words, if the media knows, the company in question needs to come clean and inform the public what it is up to. Otherwise, it could create a situation where a few informed people could benefit from insider trading or selectively inform others who might benefit.
I believe that QR is owned 50% by the Qatari Government and 50% by private shareholders. As far as I can ascertain it is not listed on any stock exchange so the rules on disclosure of information that might apply to a company listed for example in the USA or the EU shouldn't trouble the QR spokespersons. However for the CEO to categorically deny this is about to happen if it is in fact true would not seem very sound business practice. But we will have to wait and see what transpires.
LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 745 posts, RR: 1 Reply 39, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 38): It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this.
I think it may reflect different approaches to dealing with the media. In the UK, relations between PR officers and the media are quite close (people frequently move between both industries) and it's not all unusual for the same source to brief the press off the record whilst giving out an official "No comment" statement. Al Baker may not be used to this kind of approach, hence the very blunt denials in advance of any official announcement.
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 396 posts, RR: 2 Reply 41, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3543 times:
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 38):
It is very odd indeed that Al-Baker is so emphatically denying this. It will be interesting to hear him speak on Monday at the joining ceremony in New York.
So you are saying that QR is joining OW for sure?
Maybe he is emphatically denying this because he is irritated at the fact that his nemesis EK is increasing cooperation with OW members (maybe he lost out to competition ), and instead QR is being rumored to join!!! Who would want to hear such rumors being propagated more and more ...
mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2034 posts, RR: 14 Reply 42, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
It is not uncomon in business in Qatar to say one thing publicly, to say something else privately, and in the end to do what the government thinks should be done. Especially when the company in question is not listed on any stock exchange. And Al Baker being very explicit and categorical in his statements and declarations is something we have become used to, no?
Privately I hope that QR will join oneworld, the sooner the better.
Markam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 279 posts, RR: 2 Reply 44, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2752 times:
So, it looks like Al-Baker changed his mind over a fortnight... or that he wanted the announcement to actually be a surprise for greater PR effect. In any case, it is a done deal, according to Reuters:
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 489 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 43): So, it looks like Al-Baker changed his mind over a fortnight... or that he wanted the announcement to actually be a surprise for greater PR effect. In any case, it is a done deal, according to Reuters:
The Reuters article is dated Tuesday of this week - the same day according to reply 33 on this thread that Mr Al-Baker once again denied that QR were joining OW in a public speech in Qatar - so enough confusion to keep us guessing over the weekend . It wont be long until Monday now chaps/ladies.