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A DL Pilot's Interesting Insights  
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2079 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 20092 times:

The other day I had pleasant return to Saudi Arabia from Denver, on DL then connecting onto Saudia.

On DEN-JFK, I sat by a DL 767-400 copilot who would talk endlessly about DL and the industry. Most of his insights are supported by statements made in this forum. But I heard a few new things. For what it's worth, here are some of his observations. Some things I had learned from this forum, he was not even aware of. He did not know DL's IST flight was not going to operate over the winter. I told him Abuja was suspended by DL over security concerns and he was not aware of this either. He thought he had seen Abuja reappear on next month's bid, so maybe it's returning. Who knows..He looked at the DL inflight magazine and was intrigued to see Abuja gone.

He said some of the following things: Over the years, DL has had over 20 pilots fall ill from malaria flying trips to Africa, particularly Accra and Dakar. He does not know about the flight attendants. 3 DL pilots did die from the disease as a direct result from malarial infection acquired on layovers. One died 7 days after returning from a trip, he even told me his name. Another one of the pilots had HIV and therefore already had a compromised system, the malaria pushed him over the edge. In the beginning the "good ole boys in ATL" (his words) did not know about the challenges serving Africa. Since that time, things did improve. Crew are briefed on health risks laying over in Africa, and Deet mosquito repellent is provided if requested. He commented on the armed guards escorting crews in Lagos, and the crew shuttle not even stopping for red lights traveling from the airport to the hotel. None of this is surprising. DL has done well in Africa due to the absence of strong local international carriers for one thing. He does not doubt UA will do well with IAH-LOS. The 787 will help to build awareness for them also. He was shocked when I told him UA dropped IAD-ACC. He said landing at airports in Africa is a lot of work for the crew. Lots of time on the radio during the approach. DL does very well in Africa he added. He said he does not do Africa anymore since he has been there and done that already.

No US carriers fly nonstop to MNL since Philippine Airlines has such low costs. US carriers will likely never fly to the Philippines nonstop since they can't compete due to the low costs of the national carrier.

DL is trying to upgrade flights from ATL to Brazil with the 747. But Brazil aviation authority is balking. DL has invested in GOL.

DL dropped Trinidad and Tobago due to the government protectionism of the local airline (Aero Caribe?). This is why you will never see B6 serving Trinidad and Tobago from JFK. DL did well there he added.

F9 is indeed dying. Southwest wants concourse A at DEN. F9 has approached DL as a potential savior and was turned down. DEN airport does not care about F9 anymore, and does not see a future for them at DEN. F9's cost structure at DEN is a problem. F9 is worth more dead that alive.

He talked about DL's nonstop service from JFK to India. He said that contrary to the consensus on a.net, DL did not fail on JFK-India due to poor performance. There is a reason UA rakes it in on EWR-India flights as the only US carrier. He could not comment on why AA dropped ORD-DEL. DL nonstops from JFK to India were shockingly lucrative, especially with cargo.

The underlying authority for DL's India JFK flights was from Pan Am. Now the situation was such where DL was slaughtering Jet Airways from JFK to India. India said, okay, Pan Am still owed a staggering amount of money from unpaid bills while they were still flying there. By this time with interest and penalties, this debt was enormous. India told DL to pay up. DL decided not to pay and drop the route. DL was told they could reapply for their own new authority from JFK to India. DL has reapplied multiple times, and India aviation authority only turns them down. DL would love to serve JFK India again. Now only UA enjoys the spoils. DL serves India from AMS. But that is NW's authority, unrelated to the issue with JFK.

We talked about the problems at AA, and the use of RJ's, and so on. But the above points were what I remembered the most as I was already exhausted before the flight. Sorry that's it.

Any comments?

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19882 times:

Thanks for sharing this; it's amazing the information we can glean from talking to people "on the inside". I often think some of us would make good candidates for govt agents!

Fascinating information - and sad too; I wonder if DL was sufficiently aware of conditions in Africa and the extent to which malaria and other diseases are prevelant. I wonder if they could have worked with their Skyteam partners, DL and AF, as they (particularly AF) have extensive networks in Africa; how do they protect their crews? I can only imagine what the DL pilots' union must think about this! To lose four (at least) to malaria is very serious. I wonder if the CDC provide any assistance/immunisation advice to crews flying to Africa. I was actually surprised that CO announced that IAH-LOS would be among their first routes; I can't help wondering if there were a few CO crews with seniority to bid for the 787s who thought to themselves, "you know, I'll just stick with the 757 for a bit and wait for the 777!"

Sad to hear about Frontier, but not really surprised to see that DL wasn't interested; DEN will be WN territory soon enough.

Interesting to hear about the Indian situation as well; sad about the loss of the n/s flights, but clearly DL can't be expected to pay PA's debts.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3978 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19791 times:

Interesting... I had heard about many of the crews contracting malaria but I hadn't heard of anyone dying!

His observations are wrong regarding MNL, however. HA flies 4 weekly flights NONstop from HNL to MNL and have apparently been quite successful in competing with PAL over the years. In fact, in November the flight will have added capacity and amenities when the 330 starts flying the route.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19754 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
He said some of the following things: Over the years, DL has had over 20 pilots fall ill from malaria flying trips to Africa, particularly Accra and Dakar. He does not know about the flight attendants. 3 DL pilots did die from the disease as a direct result from malarial infection acquired on layovers. One died 7 days after returning from a trip, he even told me his name. Another one of the pilots had HIV and therefore already had a compromised system, the malaria pushed him over the edge

True

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
He did not know DL's IST flight was not going to operate over the winter. I told him Abuja was suspended by DL over security concerns and he was not aware of this either.

No surprise he didn't know

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
The underlying authority for DL's India JFK flights was from Pan Am. Now the situation was such where DL was slaughtering Jet Airways from JFK to India. India said, okay, Pan Am still owed a staggering amount of money from unpaid bills while they were still flying there. By this time with interest and penalties, this debt was enormous. India told DL to pay up. DL decided not to pay and drop the route. DL was told they could reapply for their own new authority from JFK to India. DL has reapplied multiple times, and India aviation authority only turns them down. DL would love to serve JFK India again. Now only UA enjoys the spoils. DL serves India from AMS. But that is NW's authority, unrelated to the issue with JFK.

This doesn't sound right. If the Indian govt want Delta to pay up
then why do we continue to operate AMS-BOM flights?
I am surprised how little many Pilots know about their company in regards to routes and equipment. The rest
seen to make $h _t up lol..]


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19474 times:

Malaria has been a problem in Africa. For a couple of years Delta tried to cover it up, as a matter of fact there was even a memo sent to Delta from OSHA in regards to failure to report these cases in a timely manner.

Unfortunately it seems that the people down in ATL were unaware of many of the issues with Africa and other troubled regions. As a matter of fact Delta required crew members to get a yellow fever shot to go to Jordan and it wasn't until a heated exchange between ATL and an actual flight attendant that the requirement was dropped. Delta considered Jordan to be part of "Africa".

As the pilot said, things have gotten better. You can put up all the warnings you want about malaria but the only way to not expose yourself to that risk is by simply not going to those destinations.


User currently onlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19148 times:

On his India theory, it isn't accurate. To listen to DL and ALPA, and I'm more faimiliar with the MEC side, (and if anyone needed a sleep aid and followed the ExIm Boeing financing debate) the reason DL bailed on JFK-BOM was related to their inability to compete with Air India's fares. They were getting killed on the route. Here is a good article: http://articles.economictimes.indiat...rs-loan-guarantee-foreign-airlines

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19085 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
The underlying authority for DL's India JFK flights was from Pan Am. Now the situation was such where DL was slaughtering Jet Airways from JFK to India. India said, okay, Pan Am still owed a staggering amount of money from unpaid bills while they were still flying there. By this time with interest and penalties, this debt was enormous. India told DL to pay up. DL decided not to pay and drop the route. DL was told they could reapply for their own new authority from JFK to India. DL has reapplied multiple times, and India aviation authority only turns them down. DL would love to serve JFK India again. Now only UA enjoys the spoils. DL serves India from AMS. But that is NW's authority, unrelated to the issue with JFK.

ROFL!

The pilot's insight was interesting enough until I read this. This is complete nonsense. DL has not applied for any new authorities in a long time.

Quoting catiii (Reply 5):
On his India theory, it isn't accurate. To listen to DL and ALPA, and I'm more faimiliar with the MEC side, (and if anyone needed a sleep aid and followed the ExIm Boeing financing debate) the reason DL bailed on JFK-BOM was related to their inability to compete with Air India's fares. They were getting killed on the route. Here is a good article: http://articles.economictimes.indiat...lines

DL came up with this argument when they decided to protest Ex-Im guarantees to foreign airlines, AI in particular. However, in reality, AI made up a small % of the competition DL faced on USA-India routes. Competition from the likes of EK and QR are the real reason that DL dropped the route...

[Edited 2012-09-27 13:52:04]


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10600 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18863 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 6):
Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
The underlying authority for DL's India JFK flights was from Pan Am. Now the situation was such where DL was slaughtering Jet Airways from JFK to India. India said, okay, Pan Am still owed a staggering amount of money from unpaid bills while they were still flying there. By this time with interest and penalties, this debt was enormous. India told DL to pay up. DL decided not to pay and drop the route. DL was told they could reapply for their own new authority from JFK to India. DL has reapplied multiple times, and India aviation authority only turns them down. DL would love to serve JFK India again. Now only UA enjoys the spoils. DL serves India from AMS. But that is NW's authority, unrelated to the issue with JFK.

ROFL!

The pilot's insight was interesting enough until I read this. This is complete nonsense. DL has not applied for any new authorities in a long time.

Any bills that PA owed, would have either been eliminated or paid in their BK proceedings. IIRC, DL didn't assume any of PA's debts, especially since this wasn't a merger, but just the acquisition of some of PA's assets.....i.e. facilities, a/c, routes. Assuming assets doesn't mean that DL owes the bills, too.



Sounds to me like the pilot is either full of it, OR the Indian government assumed, because DL had the route authority, that DL should pay up, even if they weren't legally obligated. Little bit of extortion, possibly, to try and recoup what PA owed.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4047 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18749 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
DL is trying to upgrade flights from ATL to Brazil with the 747.

If that happens DTW-GRU will feel as exclusive as a business jet.



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User currently offlinemodesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18708 times:

I would be very careful about listening to a pilot's thoughts. As a former airline pilot, I've seen so many pilots spread rumors and try to speak intelligently about the industry. They understand flight operations and the aspects of the industry that pertain to their job. However, they're generally not well-informed about flight profitability and other business-related issues.

User currently offlineTriple7LR From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 18607 times:

I've been hearing about upgauging ATL-GRU to the 747 but they're waiting until all mods are complete.

User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 18483 times:

My comments are don't necessarily believe frontline employees when they tell you such and such did wel or reasons for failure. Unless top mgmt went into the field ( a possibility I'll admit woukd be more likely to happen at DL than AA) , it is unlikely he has actually seen and P&L data. Emirates is killing everyone and every airline that has to fly a route that emirates can offer via DXB. That is what is killing US-India markets. Volume is there but yield stinks.

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 18434 times:

SO many pilots "have a buddy who told them" or "they were in a meeting..." or "they heard it 'right from the top' " that you'd think THEY were management. Take it with a grain of salt.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25558 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 18391 times:
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Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
F9 is indeed dying. Southwest wants concourse A at DEN. F9 has approached DL as a potential savior and was turned down. DEN airport does not care about F9 anymore, and does not see a future for them at DEN. F9's cost structure at DEN is a problem. F9 is worth more dead that alive.

I wish I had a buck for every time anyone from another has said that.

Nor do I know how Frontier's cost structure is a problem at DEN, It made $14 million profit last quarter.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...ines-gives-a-lift-to.html?page=all

And Republic did do a deal with Delta, involving Frontier but not for Frontier.

mariner

ps: anyone who doesn't take anti-malaria pills going to Africa hasn't done their homework.

[Edited 2012-09-27 16:21:48]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 18365 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 12):
SO many pilots "have a buddy who told them" or "they were in a meeting..." or "they heard it 'right from the top' " that you'd think THEY were management. Take it with a grain of salt.

yeah, as interesting as these rumors are, they are just like the millions of other rumors we hear of from "pilot friends"



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3005 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18226 times:

The malaria thing was quite interesting... I'd never heard of anyone dying.


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User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18015 times:

I think that listening to a pilot, and what they know, is like listening to a CTA(Chicago Transit Bus driver) talking about the inter workings there.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25558 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17778 times:
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Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 16):
I think that listening to a pilot, and what they know, is like listening to a CTA(Chicago Transit Bus driver) talking about the inter workings there.

In this case, very much so, because very little of it makes sense - you'd want more than mosquito repellent to prevent malaria.

As for:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
No US carriers fly nonstop to MNL since Philippine Airlines has such low costs.

One US carrier - Hawaiian - does fly non-stop to MNL.

mariner

[Edited 2012-09-27 16:48:56]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17589 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 17):
In this case, very much so, because very little of it makes sense - you'd want more than mosquito repellent to prevent malaria.

I do believe they give malaria pills to pilots scheduled to fly these routes. I hear that they need to be taken in advance or they are not effective

And although I cannot back up the line about the DL pilots dying, I have heard this before (I thought it was 2 pilots.) Doesn't make it true but I can at least say this isn't a random rumor out of the blue and has been around for about, uh I'd say 2 years. My dad (a DL pilot) told me this so take that for what it's worth lol



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User currently onlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17438 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 15):
The malaria thing was quite interesting... I'd never heard of anyone dying.

I have heard stories about people dying for a long time. I think it happened more often when the African service was still new. There is a great sense of awareness now at Delta of Malaria and people take precautions. However I heard recently an NYC FA was in the hospital being treated for it.

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
anyone who doesn't take anti-malaria pills going to Africa hasn't done their homework.

One of the issues I've heard is that people often get Africa at the last minute on A days. DL FA's have told me that you have to start taking the anti-malaria tablets a few days before you go. So if you get assigned it on reserve it's not really an option.


User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17371 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 2):
HA flies 4 weekly flights NONstop from HNL to MNL and have apparently been quite successful in competing with PAL over the years. In fact, in November the flight will have added capacity and amenities when the 330 starts flying the route.

That's a much shorter flight than from the mainland...the lower costs probably makes it more manageable for HA than for DL to fly to MNL nonstop.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
He said some of the following things: Over the years, DL has had over 20 pilots fall ill from malaria flying trips to Africa, particularly Accra and Dakar.

My friend is a New York based FA for DL and he's thankful that the Africa flights are staffed by the ATL base. He knows all about the malaria stories and those sub-Saharan African countries are definitely on his no go list.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25558 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17370 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
I do believe they give malaria pills to pilots scheduled to fly these routes. I hear that they need to be taken in advance or they are not effective

  

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
And although I cannot back up the line about the DL pilots dying, I have heard this before (I thought it was 2 pilots.) Doesn't make it true but I can at least say this isn't a random rumor out of the blue and has been around for about, uh I'd say 2 years. My dad (a DL pilot) told me this so take that for what it's worth lol

I remember when it was widely believed - in Africa - that you could catch AIDS from mosquitos.

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 19):
One of the issues I've heard is that people often get Africa at the last minute on A days. DL FA's have told me that you have to start taking the anti-malaria tablets a few days before you go. So if you get assigned it on reserve it's not really an option.

They have to be very unlucky. I've been going to Africa regularly since I was six months old - that's a very long time - and I haven;t always been strict with my precautions. I've never been infected with malaria.

And:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
DEN airport does not care about F9 anymore, and does not see a future for them at DEN.

Frontier has just successfully renegotiated its lease for gates at DIA.

mariner



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17064 times:

I never had a problem in ABV, LOS or anywhere else. Stay indoors after 1700 until about 1000. Done.


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User currently onlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16939 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
They have to be very unlucky. I've been going to Africa regularly since I was six months old - that's a very long time - and I haven;t always been strict with my precautions. I've never been infected with malaria.

You're rather lucky


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16843 times:

Quoting max999 (Reply 20):
My friend is a New York based FA for DL and he's thankful that the Africa flights are staffed by the ATL base. He knows all about the malaria stories and those sub-Saharan African countries are definitely on his no go list.

ummm I'm NYC based and we do ACC and DKR.


25 mariner : Maybe. But even if I'm not strict, I am careful. If I'm in certain areas I will always sleep under a mozzie net and not every mosquito in Africa is a
26 aviateur : Bollocks. These sorts of things are rife with hearsay and exaggeration. This entire post was extremely annoying and largely inaccurate. PS
27 aviateur : False.
28 AR385 : There are a variety of strains. There is one particularly nasty than can kill you at the very first attack. Wether that´s true in the case of the DL
29 mayor : My grandfather, who fought in the U.S. Army in the Phillipines from 1899 to 1901 (or so) contracted malaria and had at least three incidents where he
30 mariner : It's a recurring thing, it can flare up from time to time. In the old days, they said you never got it out of your system, but I don't know what mode
31 SpeckSpot : I'm originally from ACC and am very saddened to hear of Delta crew dying from malaria. My sincere condolences to Delta and the families of the pilots.
32 usa330300 : The use of regional jet's what?
33 RIXrat : My wife flew KL from AMS to DAR a few years ago. She had to have a series of injections before hand, including yellow fewer, typhoid, cholera and a te
34 mariner : That's why I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a huge corporation like Delta, with considerable international experience, would send its c
35 LOWS : Just like the TW bills in TLV?
36 goldorak : It can be deadly (the one caused by Plasmodium Falciparum). FYI, according to the WHO (World Health Organization), it is estimated that 655,000 peopl
37 mariner : Nevertheless, when my father worked for BOAC in Africa, the airline demanded that we take the precautions. It wasn't a choice. Any company I have wor
38 AR385 : I´ve never worked for an airline, but did work for a huge energy conglomerate in the US that sent me to Central and South American tropical areas fo
39 suseJ772 : Same here. Loved Africa. Would never not go due to fear of Malaria. Truth is, with preventative measures and a good immune system, it really isn't th
40 catiii : And EK's 777's are ExIm financed (and I believe the 5 777's ordered in 2011 by Qatar are also ExIm financed) so the original point remains. DL couldn
41 max999 : You're probably correct...Maybe my friend never gets the Africa trips because he actively avoids them!
42 mayor : The way I understood it, the DL/PA deal was very different from the AA/TW one. In any event, governments used this kind of "extortion" all the time a
43 B727FA : They do. We have access to qualified doctors and resources and training to help us at any time. It's a good guideline. I don't open my windows there,
44 goldorak : Hmm...something wrong here. You are probably speaking about hep. A in this case. Hep. B is transmitted by blood, sperm and other body fluids, not by
45 klwright69 : Thanks for the responses... He did explain that some strains of malaria are fatal. I knew his "knowledge" of why DL dropped JFK India nonstops would g
46 delta2ual : Can't speak for the pilots, but we did have a F/A in 2007 die from Malaria when I was based in NYC.
47 Alnicocunife : Or was it the other way around, adding quinine to mask the taste of gin? [
48 aviateur : False. False. No Delta pilots have died from malaria. I asked the A.net moderators to delete this entire discussion because it full of bad informatio
49 DeltaMD90 : While I am suspicious of the story, do you have any proof?
50 Post contains links g1zmonc : There is a big blog on one of the pilot forums about flying to Africa and problems with malaria: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/33218-dal-afr
51 aviateur : I'm not sure what kind of "proof" there could be in a forum like this. I will ask you to take my word for it. If you still have questions, feel free
52 yyz717 : So DL crews overnight in LOS? I thought security in LOS (airport and city) had improved in recent years. Presumably not. I dont imagine the LOS layov
53 frmrCapCadet : Actually it is useful to get this sort of background info from this sort of way from time to time. It is raw data. " What are the troops thinking?" An
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