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Super Short Haul Routings With UA 752's  
User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6671 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16193 times:

Since the merger we've all noticed the ongoing crossfleeting at all the hubs. I think it's fascinating to note that some of the 757s (mainly PMUA) are on daily super short haul routings such as:

EWR-BOS
IAH-AUS
IAH-MSY
CLE-ORD

These routes are quite possibly the shortest for the 757 with the duration of all these examples being only 30-45 minutes long. IAH-AUS is only 30 minutes on the dot. Are there any other examples of this throughout the UA system? Do these routes print money for them with using the 757 and added capacity?


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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16178 times:

PMUA used to run the 757 on many of these similar routes, like ORD-MSP. Heck I remember when PMUA used to run 757's from ORD-MKE!

It is all about capacity and frequency.
I consider IAH-AUS and MSP-ORD to very similar. Very large business travelers routes that are O&D or connection heavy.

Remember that PMUA had a number of 757's (one of the largest 757 fleets for all domestic service plus a few Hawaii and carribean destinations), so they would show up on a ton of routes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16172 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
CLE-ORD

At one time DC-10s were common on CLE-ORD. In November 1979, 4 of UA's 7 daily CLE-ORD flights were DC-10s (plus 3 732s). NW also had one daily DC-10 (plus 4 727s).


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

UA still regularly operates 757 between DTW & ORD on its sole remaining mainline flight. Currently the 320 is scheduled, but the 757 will return in about two weeks; the flight transitions into the 739 during November.

ORD/DTW was one of the last routes to see DC-10 service; 763 were flown through 2001. Now the route is primarily regional jet.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15845 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
IAH-AUS
IAH-MSY

Also IAH-SAT. Prior to the merger and CO 757s going transatlantic IAH saw CO 757s to MSY/SAT/AUS and MFE. Prior to that the AB3s were on IAH-MSY. IAH-MSY intermittantly has always been 757/753 domain, also of note IAH-MSY was always a common route to get subbed with 762/764 birds - much like IAH-DEN/MCO. Also since the merger there are alot of Houston travellers using AUS and backtracking back to IAH, as there can be some heavy price gouging going on down here...I've thought about making that 1:45-2:00 drive myself to save $300+.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15832 times:

SFO-MRY-SFO comes to mind. Probably takes longer to get the passengers on / off the plane (assuming it's full) than the flight itself!

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15819 times:

Almost any narrowbody route on PMUA could have been a 757. They did not favor the A320 or A319 over the 757 for any shorter domestic routes. Every airplane could do every route over the lower 48 for the most part. The 737s used to be favored for short routes, but those mostly got replaced by Embraer 170s and CRJ-700s. The routes that were left mainline could see any narrowbody type. PMUA was just under 100 757s, so that is a lot of airplanes and for fleet utilization, sometimes it made sense to have them on very short routes.


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6671 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15777 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):

Oh true you are correct. 1x 757 is flying IAH-SAT this saturday.

Interesting to note that IAH-SAT/AUS/MSY get 757s but it's mostly rj's on IAH-DFW (huge business routing.)



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15734 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 7):
but it's mostly rj's on IAH-DFW (huge business routing.)

Very interesting to note...but then again you have NK/WN/AA/UA all on IAH/HOU - DFW/DAL. WN has flights at peak times every 30 minutes.

I went to college in New Orleans and always loved flying home to Houston on CO 752s and 753s.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19965 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 1):

PMUA used to run the 757 on many of these similar routes, like ORD-MSP. Heck I remember when PMUA used to run 757's from ORD-MKE!

Admittedly hub-to-hub, but NW used to use DC-10's and 753's on MSP-DTW, which is about a 1.5 hour flight.

UA uses 757's on LAX-SFO, which is only about 50 minutes from wheels-up to wheels-down.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15558 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Admittedly hub-to-hub, but NW used to use DC-10's and 753's on MSP-DTW, which is about a 1.5 hour flight.
NW also used 747s MSP-DTW. In November 1979 they had 2 daily 747s and 2 daily DC-10s on the route. Both of the 747s continued to JFK.

[Edited 2012-09-27 15:27:32]

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15434 times:

NW's OGG-KOA segment on the 753 comes to mind as a short haul. I was going to say SFO-MRY but someone already beat me to it.

Bottom line is the 757 is a very versatile airplane that can do almost anything.


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
Are there any other examples of this throughout the UA system? Do these routes print money for them with using the 757 and added capacity?

What added capacity? The ex-UA 757-200s has only 9 more seats than a 737-900, about a 5% difference. In any case, total seat capacity year-over-year on the IAH routes cited is down in all markets for September:

AUS: -12%

MSY: -3%

SAT: -4%


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15283 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
SFO-MRY-SFO comes to mind.

Which days of the week? I only see EMB-120s in the near-term schedule.

(While looking this up, I noticed the cheapest seat next week coming in at $731 one-way.  Wow! I remember flying this route on a 732 in the early 70s. The First Class fare was something ridiculously cheap like $11 or something. My sister and I were the only pax up front, LOL.)



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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15220 times:

PMCO flew 757s (752/753s) between IAH/ AUS/SAT/MSY and even 764 to MSY/MCO at times. I flew on all of them on those routes in the past.

Here are some vids.

SAT CO 757-300 Landing in San Antonio
http://youtu.be/A3TKiQttRg4

SAT CO 757-200 Take-off San Antonio BusinessFirst Cabin
http://youtu.be/9PuxCE5AkQQ

MSY CO 757-300 Landing New Orleans
http://youtu.be/xLWkfIJD1DA

Another amazing thing I notice, is if the weather was good Continental Flight Attendants did Beverage service between IAH and AUS. I had full beverage service with alcohol on a 737-900 flight between IAH/AUS in coach. They really rushed! Coach cabin clapped at the end. I doubt the New UA would do it as I notice we don't get beverage service on any Skywest flight from DAL to IAH in coach and the New UA always says if time permitting on the website, but beverage service was standard on old CO.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 7):
Interesting to note that IAH-SAT/AUS/MSY get 757s but it's mostly rj's on IAH-DFW (huge business routing.)

Remember UA has to split Dallas traffic between DFW/DAL. Today there were 16 flights between the 2 airports today. (frequency over plane size) Also in the past for a few years DAL-IAH was the number one route in terms of frequency. CO use to offer 16 flights a day between DAL and IAH alone. (When they had the ERJ-135s 10 ER4/6 ER3). There was a flight every 30 mins for the morning and evening rush at DAL.
Together DAL/DFW was 26 to 28 flights a day from IAH and was number one in frequency in the system for years.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6671 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):

UA uses 757's on LAX-SFO, which is only about 50 minutes from wheels-up to wheels-down.

757s have been on LAX-SFO for many years. In fact, EWR-BOS, IAH-AUS, and IAH-MSY are all shorter than LAX-SFO.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11):
I was going to say SFO-MRY but someone already beat me to it.

When does the 757 operate SFO-MRY? I'm only seeing 120s in the schedule.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15204 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
SFO-MRY-SFO comes to mind.

Which days of the week? I only see EMB-120s in the near-term schedule.

UA hasn't done this for several years now. They no longer fly mainline into MRY. Boeing even used SFO-MRY as an example of the 757's versatility. You know, it does the longer North Atlantic routes, and then this 80 mile route equally well.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15189 times:

Still see UA 757's on ORD GRR sometimes too

-m

  


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15169 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
UA hasn't done this for several years now.

That's what I thought. It seemed from the OP that this thread was for current 752 short routes in the schedule, not historic routes.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

Also back in the past DL use to slip in a 757 on the evening or first flight out on IAH-DFW.


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5488 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15073 times:

Doesn't UA have a short haul 757 flight to ELI (Eli. Nevada?)


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15067 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
That's what I thought. It seemed from the OP that this thread was for current 752 short routes in the schedule, not historic routes.

Oops! But I could have sworn I saw a 752 in the schedule for that route within the past 12 months.


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14924 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
NW also used 747s MSP-DTW.

Way back in the day NW operated 747's MSP - ORD.


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14660 times:

Many airlines used the 757 on very short routes. I flew one BHM-ATL (DL).


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14593 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 20):
Doesn't UA have a short haul 757 flight to ELI (Eli. Nevada?)

Ely, NV can barely sustain Great Lakes BE1 service to LAS. A single 757 flight would provide seats for about 75% of ELY's yearly enplanements.


25 tommy767 : No but UA does fly 757s on DEN-JAC which is another "super" short flight. Also LAX-LAS gets a 757 too, on occasion.
26 TWA772LR : Wish those 757s would be my ride home from DFW to IAH. Doesn't UA fly 75's on SNA-SFO?
27 slcdeltarumd11 : duplicate post duplicate post[Edited 2012-09-27 20:50:40]
28 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : EWR-BOS clocks in at 199 miles. Most of the scheduled time is probably waiting to take off in EWR traffic jams
29 widget1580 : Let's not forget ORD-DSM. I believe it was a daily visitor there for a while, IIRC.
30 Post contains images jetblueguy22 : Man if they use the 757 on such short routes I should be able to look at it in GFK pretty soon (kidding of course). Blue
31 DocLightning : I know they're shorter, but LAX-SFO is about 12% of the 757's max range. It's always struck me as an awful lot of airplane to put on that route. But
32 SJCMSP : I know this is historic, but I remember flying IND-ORD a few times on a UA 757 back around 2000. The shortest 757 flight I've had semi-lately was JAX-
33 crownvic : What about the dozens of widebodies between MIA and FLL in the 70's...25 miles...
34 Post contains links ORDBOSEWR : BOS is no cake walk!!! This whole thread is kindda funny. We are questioning using a 757 on these short routes. In Japan they use 747's on similar le
35 cschleic : Back in the day, as they say. Many many years ago when they still flew mainline to MRY. It's all of 64 miles or so.
36 PanHAM : we recently wrote about L10 and AB3 (EA) on YYZ-BUF. I have been, same airline, on a widebody FLL-MIA (not local but coming from somewhere up north).
37 United_fan : PMCO used the 757-300 IAH-AUS. I have flown SFO-SNA on PMUA 752.
38 MountainFlyer : One short DL 757 flight that I can think of is SLC-BOI in the summer.
39 Post contains images floridaflyboy : A few years ago, NW used the 757-300 MSP-MKE pretty regularly. I always figured by the time the main gear was off the ground in MSP, the nose gear wa
40 jwhite9185 : Maybe slightly OT but I'm booked on an AA 752 in April next year from MCO to MIA. Book time is an hour but no doubt will be much less.
41 Post contains images floridaflyboy : That's a quick one I flew MCO-MIA on AA once on an A300.
42 EMB170 : Yes. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, UA routinely flew 757-200s and 767-300ERs on ORD-IND. 757s also flew IND-DEN as well. For their part, NW o
43 SJCMSP : Come to think of it, I recall flying TW 757s IND-STL a couple of times as well during that same time period.[Edited 2012-09-28 08:45:01]
44 TVNWZ : Even better. Those planes from both MSP and DTW to MKE. About 50 minutes to MSP and about 45 to DTW. The 752/3 only in the past year have become less
45 tommy767 : EWR-BOS has the business traffic to fill up on the 757 and also likely lots of connections via the EWR hub. It's interesting how sometimes the 757 wi
46 ABQopsHP : Am I not mistaking that EA flew the A300 on the BOS-LGA shuttle? Also HP used to fly the 757s PHX-LAS, and LAS-LAX as well. JD CRP
47 brucek : Interesting thread. It's amazing how often the venerable B75 comes up in discussion, has to be almost the most talked about aircraft... I assume that
48 lrgt : s-UA 757's are domestic configured. These are the airplanes on all these new routes (flight #'s between 201-999) s-CO flights are those with flight nu
49 tommy767 : As of recently the ex-co 757s have been on more domestic routes: EWR-ORD IAD-LAX ORD-LAX EWR-DEN EWR-LAX EWR-SFO EWR-MIA EWR-TPA EWR-MCO I think the
50 Post contains images lrgt : IMHO... the 'bought-and-paid-for' s-UA 757 domestic equipment is the best thing CO got out of the merger. You would be surprised how many high-yieldi
51 lrgt : Wow is this new?! The last time I flew this 2 months ago, there was definitely scant ex-CO metal, let alone a CO 752. What international flying has b
52 tommy767 : They are severely underrated. the s-UA 757s have excellent F class seats with 24 of them in the front cabin (ideal for upgrades.) In Economy (in my e
53 CODC10 : Minor point, but it's 1-199. UA200/201 operates with a s-UA 777 GUM-HNL-ORD and v.v..
54 tommy767 : Yeah since the early summer, IIRC. I think they've been flying it since May or June. Widebody metal is now found on: IAH-ORD --763 EWR-SFO -- 763 EWR
55 DeltaRules : UA used 757s on CMH-ORD in the early 2000s and still does today on occasion. And, seeing references to DL, lest we forget the 110 mile CMH-CVG 757 fli
56 drerx7 : Also EWR-IAH...I just booked it this morning.
57 RWA380 : PDX-SEA at 129 miles has seen scheduled 747's, DC-10's, DC-8's, 737's, 727's on UA alone. Not to mention the other 29 carriers that have flown the ro
58 RyanairGuru : Unless I'm mistaken, none. They seem to be using the fleet more efficiently than CO did, getting in a turn between TATL flights. I think they may hav
59 RDH3E : Mx Positioning and utilization flying for the Hawaii-ETOPS fleet is probably the driver here.
60 stratosphere : I don't know why this is even a topic. A 757? ..Really? .. Years ago I flew 747's and DC-10's on short legs like that. I remember when I flew World Ai
61 tommy767 : Because super short routes are not typically operated by 757s. They are RJ dominated.
62 Viscount724 : At one time in the 1980s they also had a DC-10 that operated from somewhere on the west coast to IAD and then continued the 39 nm to BWI.
63 United_fan : Not real short,but UA ran 757's on Sunday BUF-ORD last Summer ('11). UA used to run the DC-10 DEN-COS. and ORD-CLE.
64 neveragain : False. Comparing UA's October 2012 schedules with October 2011 (source OAG data): Ops on 757 as share of total UA operations (including regional affi
65 United_fan : I wish I did. When i flew that route in April not a spare seat was to be had. At least ch 9 was on.
66 tommy767 : What sweeping generalizations? I think you have a reading comprehension problem. The point of this thread is to call out what other short routes are
67 neveragain : The whole premise of this post is that crossfleeting has resulted in UA 757s flying "super short-haul routes." Implicit in that assertion is that the
68 tommy767 : Actually the shortest routes on UA 757 before the merger (in very recent years) had to be routes like LAX-SFO, IAD-BOS, ORD-BUF etc. The point of thi
69 neveragain : Your point being? While others have disappeared. Liking has nothing to do with it. I'm not the only one questioning the point of your post.
70 CompensateMe : "Super short routes" between major city pairs have had, and will continue to have, large-capacity jets. The practice isn't new and won't change anyti
71 milesrich : When UA operated a 747-122 from ORD to HNL in the mid 70's, the flight originated in CLE. NW and UA and AA all operated DC-10's, ORD-DTW, which is ab
72 tommy767 : I beg the differ. I feel like many have chimed in and are having a lot of fun, unlike yourself. IAH-AUS, EWR-BOS, IAH-MSY, IAH-SAT are new though.
73 CompensateMe : Pairings such as IAH-MSY have seen 739 & 753 service regularly for years (not to mention up to 15 daily flights, mostly with 733 & M80, throu
74 drerx7 : Nope not new. I honestly don't understand the hostility on this thread about its purpose. If it doesn't interest you then don't participate. I can ap
75 tommy767 : Yes they are new routes for a PMUA 757.
76 drerx7 : Gotcha - I misunderstood.
77 milesrich : Ely (ELY) and Elko (EKO) were the last two UA cities to not have jet service. As has been posted numerous times in this forum, UA kept three DC-6B's
78 JBAirwaysFan : DL sometimes runs the 757 on SLC-JAC, pretty short. Regular 757s on DL flights from ATL to Florida. DAB and JAX come to mind with flight times under
79 gigneil : I have been on a 757 COS-DEN on more than one occasion. That right there is a short flight. They're using these planes because they have them - in the
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