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Turkish, 747 Or A380?  
User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13365 times:

Their decision was expected for the end of July, so what did they decide? which airliner did they choose?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11716 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

See http://ekonomi.haberturk.com/airport...6591-thy-buyuk-ucaklardan-vazgecti (use Google Translate).

They want neither 747 or A380. Instead, TK is looking at smaller aircraft like the 787 and the A350.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12478 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13098 times:

What they want seems to change from week to week! First they wanted a VLA, then they didn't and I believe that they are now, again, seeking a VLA.

Perhaps some of our Turkish friends could confirm the current position!?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12991 times:

What they need is a realistic opening date for the new airport, then they can have serious discussions about a VLA. Until then, even adding more 77Ws is going to push IST's capacity.


Dan  



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12896 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
They want neither 747 or A380. Instead, TK is looking at smaller aircraft like the 787 and the A350.

Well that's not what their chairman said just a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-six-widebody-planes-chairman-says

Quote:
Turk Hava Yollari (THYAO) AO, also known as Turkish Airlines, is still considering whether to buy at least six superjumbos and will prepare terms of a tender by year-end should its board decide to go ahead, Chairman Hamdi Topcu said.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11716 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

Thanks, I missed that article.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31012 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12760 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
What they need is a realistic opening date for the new airport, then they can have serious discussions about a VLA. Until then, even adding more 77Ws is going to push IST's capacity.

As the length and span are about 3m more than the 777-300ER, the 747-8 should just barely fit into a gate at IST (looking at how Google Maps shows a parked 747-400 and 777-300ER). Looking at the map, they park a 737 next to a widebody, but do so with the wings at the same location. So if they could move the 737 forward a bit, that would help with clearance.

This might be why TK are currently only looking at an initial six planes, as that might be all IST can accept.

[Edited 2012-09-29 10:14:13]

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11872 times:
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Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
Their decision was expected for the end of July, so what did they decide? which airliner did they choose?

Did they say they were looking at the 747 and A380 or did you come to that conclusion???

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
They want neither 747 or A380.

THANK GOD... Why would Turkish want to buy something larger than the 777 which I understand they're very happy with is beyond me.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11680 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
THANK GOD... Why would Turkish want to buy something larger than the 777 which I understand they're very happy with is beyond me.

For high demand routes with slot restricted airports such as LHR or JFK.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11483 times:

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
Their decision was expected for the end of July, so what did they decide? which airliner did they choose?

Patience, the decision will come.

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
THANK GOD... Why would Turkish want to buy something larger than the 777 which I understand they're very happy with is beyond me.

Because they want to be like Emirates !


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11417 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
This might be why TK are currently only looking at an initial six planes, as that might be all IST can accept.

Could well be, but even that would be pushing it I think. IIRC they have 10 gates and two remote stands which can just take a 77W, and a fleet of 12 aircraft. But these are also the only gates which can take the 333 and 343, of which they have 17 aircraft, and only around 15 other remote pax stands. Factor in aircraft from other carriers and it apparently already gets pretty tight at times.


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11360 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Because they want to be like Emirates !

That is funny!
At present plans, TK will have around 200 frames by 2015, only 36 of them being twin aisles. That is hardly EK like!


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11331 times:
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Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Because they want to be like Emirates !

well as far as the State of Dubai is concerned, Emirates is going to be their bread & butter once the oil runs out. Dubai has Emirates back... I sincerely doubt Turkey feels the same way about their airline


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10753 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
Did they say they were looking at the 747 and A380

Yes. See reply 4.

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
THANK GOD... Why would Turkish want to buy something larger than the 777

Looks like god let you down. They need bigger planes because of their massive passenger number growth. Again, see reply 4.



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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9863 times:

"slot restricted airports such as LHR or JFK."

Is JFK really that slot restricted? They seem to manage quite a few VIP flights on a regular basis whereas London has to send them outside LHR


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 14):
Is JFK really that slot restricted?

I have heard JFK is not really that slot restricted, just a few ours out of the day it is. Unless TK wants to transform into the EK model where they are all into connecting people through IST to the stretches of the world they do not need VLA, how much traffic can IST support.


User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

For the persons who think i'm thinking Turkish...Bla Bla Bla... go back to read the early topics about Turkish choice early this year...these are not from me...


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 16):
Unless TK wants to transform into the EK model where they are all into connecting people through IST to the stretches of the world they do not need VLA, how much traffic can IST support.

Istanbul is a city of 13.5 million people, primary city in a rapidly developing country of 75 million people. It is also one of the most popular tourist destinations in Europe. Pretty much sums it up.


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User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):


Actuallay 777 suitable gates are much less than you remember. There are only 5 gates -208, 209,218,219 and 226 can accomodate 777. 205 can handle but another gate should be disabled.

For talking remote stands only two R1 and R2 can host. Of course many of days these big birds leaves from maintenance hangars but it is not a good solution for a "5 star" airline.

TK should not invest any widebody plane before parking spot problem solved; but it seems impossible for near future...


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 19):
Actuallay 777 suitable gates are much less than you remember. There are only 5 gates -208, 209,218,219 and 226 can accomodate 777. 205 can handle but another gate should be disabled.

Thank you for the correction - that is even less ideal than I was aware of.

Quoting MeCe (Reply 19):
TK should not invest any widebody plane before parking spot problem solved; but it seems impossible for near future...

I agree, but I think the solution is to wait for the new airport. Making a huge capital investment in new stands for just a year or two doesn't make sense to me, also siting them would be interesting.


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
Did they say they were looking at the 747 and A380 or did you come to that conclusion???

It was stated in the article

Quoting scbriml (Reply 4):
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-six-widebody-planes-chairman-says



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