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50 Years As Nations - Caribbean Aviation 102  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15281 times:

Greetings to all A.net patrons!



Welcome to the 102nd instalment of Caribbean Aviation!! It's awesome to see the explosive intellectual activity on our forum and it is certainly hoped that it will continue. This thread is dedicated to the both Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica, as they both recently celebrated their golden jubilee of independence in the month of August.

Happy 50th Independence to both Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica!!!!


Trinidad and Tobago gained its independence from the United Kingdom in 1962. Eric Williams, a noted Caribbean historian, widely regarded as "The Father of The Nation," was the first Prime Minister; he served from 1956, before independence, until his death in 1981.


In 1976, the country severed its links with the British monarchy and became a republic within the Commonwealth, though it retained the British Privy Council as its final Court of Appeal. Unlike most of the English-speaking Caribbean, Trinidad and Tobago's economy is primarily industrial, with an emphasis on petroleum and petrochemicals.Between the years 1972 and 1983, the Republic profited greatly from the rising price of oil, as the oil-rich country increased its living standards greatly.



Since 2003, the country has entered a second oil boom, a driving force which the government hopes to use to turn the country's main export back to sugar and agriculture. Tourism and the public service are the mainstay of the economy of Tobago, though authorities have begun to diversify the island. Trinidad and Tobago has since transitioned from an oil-based economy to a natural gas based economy.

Trinidad is one of the wealthiest and most developed nations in the Caribbean and is listed in the top 40 (2010 information) of the 70 High Income countries in the world. It has one of the highest GDP per capita of USD $20,300 (2011) in the Caribbean. In November 2011, the OECD removed Trinidad and Tobago from its list of Developing Countries. Trinidad's economy is strongly influenced by the petroleum industry. Tourism and manufacturing are also important to the local economy. Tourism is a growing sector, although not proportionately as important as in many other Caribbean islands


Trinidad and Tobago is known for its Carnival and is the birthplace of steelpan, calypso, soca, chutney and limbo.





Jamaica, officially Commonwealth of Jamaica, is the 4th largest island nation of the Greater Antilles. With 2.8 million people, it is the third most populous Anglophone country in the Americas, after the United States and Canada. Kingston is the country's largest city, with a population of 937,700, and is its capital. Jamaica has a large diaspora around the world consisting of Jamaican citizens migrating from the country.


Jamaica is a Commonwealth realm with Elizabeth II as Queen of Jamaica and head of state. Her appointed representative in the country is the Governor-General of Jamaica, currently Sir Patrick Allen. The head of government and Prime Minister of Jamaica is currently Portia Simpson-Miller. Jamaica slowly gained increasing independence from the United Kingdom and in 1958, it became a province in the Federation of the West Indies, a federation among the British West Indies. Jamaica attained full independence by leaving the federation in 1962.


Though a small nation, Jamaican culture has a strong global presence. The musical genres reggae, ska, mento, rocksteady, dub, and, more recently, dancehall and ragga all originated in the island's vibrant, popular urban recording industry. Jamaica also played an important role in the development of punk rock, through reggae and ska. Reggae has also influenced American rap music, as they both share their roots as rhythmic, African styles of music. Some rappers, such as The Notorious B.I.G. and Heavy D, are of Jamaican descent. Internationally known reggae musician Bob Marley is the most legendary and globally renowned Jamaican artist produced to date.



Sport is an integral part of national life in Jamaica and the island's athletes tend to perform to a standard well above what might ordinarily be expected of such a small country. While the most popular local sport is cricket, on the international stage Jamaicans have tended to do particularly well at Track and Field.


********News Feed********
CAL B738 experiences bird strike at GEO operating BW 525; no injuries, damage to a/c radome
WS to start daily POS-YYZ service Nov.16th using B73G
AA to increase its lucrative SKB-MIA from daily to 9x weekly in November
CAL recieves to ex LAN PW-powered B763Ws from ILFC; registered 9Y-LGW and 9Y-LHR
CAL expected to take delivery of 3rd B763W in Q2 of 2013
AA to start 1x weekly B738 RTB-MIA service on Nov. 17th
PY to start PBM-CAY-BEL service at the end of October
KX pilots upgrade to Ipads as EFBs
EZjet to begin 5x weekly GEO-POS service Oct. 2nd with BAE-146s
EZjet to begin weekly GEO-YYZ service October 4th
CAL takes delivery of fourth ATR-72-600 (9Y-TTD)
TAWU demands alleged outstanding monies to workers from LI
Tiara Air of Aruba to expand to FLL and various destinations in South America
CAL to launch 2 weekly GEO-YYZ service December 1st
Caricom Airways plans scehduled service to GEO, BGI, PBM and Brazil
Insel Air has painted one of its EMB-110s in its new livery
CAL to return to using JM logos/brand on CAL aircraft



Happy Posting


It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

Congrats to all the Trini/Jcans Islanders!

User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15274 times:

RE; Jamaica 50th aniversary.
Somebody from Grand Cayman told me once that they were given the choice to be a part of Jamaica 50 years ago but they declined. I suppose The Cayman Island would have been like what Tobago is to Trinidad had they chose to be ruled from Kingston.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
AA to start 1x weekly B738 RTB-MIA service on Nov. 17th

Has that been confirmed.
AA is having lots and lots of cancellations and flights delays lately. Don't want to see that route die before it's supposed to start.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15153 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
RE; Jamaica 50th aniversary.
Somebody from Grand Cayman told me once that they were given the choice to be a part of Jamaica 50 years ago but they declined. I suppose The Cayman Island would have been like what Tobago is to Trinidad had they chose to be ruled from Kingston.

According to Wikipedia: "The islands continued to be governed as part of the Colony of Jamaica until 1962, when they became a separate Crown colony while Jamaica became an independent Commonwealth realm."

I once met a caymanian who was born in Jamaica but had the caymanian citizenship since birth as it was the "same" country...


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

I guess the cat is out the bag now...


Flying high
http://news.barbadostoday.bb/2012/09/27/flying-high/


Longstanding Caribbean airline LIAT is going to Europe on a special trip, but it is unclear how much the journey, expected to be at about $230 million, will cost Barbadian tax payers.

Two months after officials declined to divulge details of a plan to renew the company’s fleet of aircraft, it has emerged that negotiations to purchase six planes from France-based Avions de Transport Regional G.I.E have started.

And while LIAT Chairman Jean Holder revealed that two meetings had already been held with ATR’s principal’s on the purchase of the half dozen new ATR 42-600 50 seater planes, just how they will be paid for was still to be decided.

Additionally, once a deal is forged it will be another two to three years before the new aircraft bearing the LIAT name are able to take to the skies.

It was in late July at a Press conference in Barbados that shareholder prime ministers and the airline’s management announced they had reached a decision to purchase new planes, but declined to name the manufacturer or related costs.

Yesterday, however, Holder told Barbados TODAY that following that announcement actual negotiations had started.

“The position is that following the announcement made earlier that LIAT is to acquire a replacement for its 50-seater turboprop aircraft, negotiations have been undertaken with the chosen manufacturer, Avions de Transport Regional G.I.E.,” he said.

“These negotiations surround the proposal for the sale to LIAT of six ATR 42-600 aircraft from the manufacturer. The lead time after agreeing to the proposal would be two to three years for the delivery of all six aircraft.

“So far two meetings have been held at LIAT headquarters in Antigua between the respective representatives of LIAT and the ATR company. It is anticipated that there will be another two or three further meetings between the parties before agreement is reached on ATR’s sale proposal,” he told Barbados TODAY.

While senior aviation sources told this newspaper the likelihood was that shareholder governments Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Antigua and Barbuda would likely have to contribute some of the millions needed to purchase, Holder said there had been no conclusion to discussions on how the planes would be bought.

ATR Media Relations Manager David Vargas said the current listed price for the planes LIAT is in discussion to acquire was about $39 million each, which meant any outright purchase of six of them would be about $234 million.

Holder said “the on-going negotiations are about price, delivery schedule, payment terms, financing etcetera. We will not therefore have answers to the financial questions you have posed until the negotiations are complete and we sign the proposal document”.

The chairman also noted while the first half dozen planes would have 50 seats like his organisation’s current fleet of planes, that would not be the end of the fleet renewal.

“With respect to the 50-seat aircraft, LIAT has determined that to carry out its present business missions, and cater for growth, it requires both 50-seat turbo-prop aircraft and larger (68/70 seat) aircraft,” he stated.

“The acquisition of six new 50-seat aircraft is the first step. The process for choosing the larger turbo-prop type has started and is expected to be completed later in 2012.

“We are presently refining the mission of the larger aircraft in our business plan to determine the exact number required to execute the plan.” Aviation industry sources questioned why LIAT was favouring the ATRS, asserting purchasing them would not make economic sense.

“I have heard that they have already decided on the ATRs – which is hard to understand as the Q400s are much faster, close to jet speeds, while the ATRs operate at the same speed as the current DASH 8s – the obvious advantage being that you get there faster as a passenger and as an airline you get in more trips in a day,” the source said.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14949 times:

Thanks for starting the new thread BW424!

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):

I guess the cat is out the bag now...

lol I forgot LI was looking at new aircraft, Cant say that im surprised by the choice, the ATR 42 seems to be the best option at the moment for them considering Bombardier doesn't offer anything below 70 seats anymore.

I wonder if they'll go for the ATR 72 or the Dash 8-400 for their 'growth' plans:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
With respect to the 50-seat aircraft, LIAT has determined that to carry out its present business missions, and cater for growth, it requires both 50-seat turbo-prop aircraft and larger (68/70 seat) aircraft,” he stated.



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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3240 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14931 times:

Once again, congratulations to both Trinidad & Tobago and Jamaica on that important milestone - 50 years as independent countries. Both also have Olympic (and in Jamaica's case Paralympic) gold medals among others to celebrate alongside.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Somebody from Grand Cayman told me once that they were given the choice to be a part of Jamaica 50 years ago but they declined. I suppose The Cayman Island would have been like what Tobago is to Trinidad had they chose to be ruled from Kingston.

The history is a bit more complex than that as the Cayman Islands (and the Turks and Caicos Islands) had been separate British Crown Colonies but were later administered by Jamaica on behalf of Britain. In other words they were dependencies of Jamaica. They were thus part of the Federation as well. When Jamaica left the Federation and became independent, the Caymans and T&C decided to remain Crown Colonies. Tobago's case is somewhat different as it was only a dependency of Trinidad for ten years (1889-1899), during which time it still had its own Government. This ended in 1899 as it became a ward, or integral part, of Trinidad. As such Trinidad & Tobago is a unitary state and not a federation as Jamaica with the two Crown Colonies was, or St. Kitts - Nevis for that matter still are. The difference is that in federations each entity retains various Government structures and a right to self-determination (i.e. secession), something that does not happen by default in a unitary state.



Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):

“I have heard that they have already decided on the ATRs – which is hard to understand as the Q400s are much faster, close to jet speeds, while the ATRs operate at the same speed as the current DASH 8s – the obvious advantage being that you get there faster as a passenger and as an airline you get in more trips in a day,” the source said.

Makes you wonder where that source is placed in the grand scheme of things. Q400s are faster but are much larger than any Dash 8 - not many LI routes would be able to sustain that sort of capacity increase. Another point to remember is that the original De Havilland Canada had a long heritage of "bush-plane" building and so models such as the Caribou, Otter and Twin Otter have been well-regarded for being sturdy in various operating conditions. While this heritage was maintained with the Dash 7, notwithstanding its original design as a STOLport machine, the original Dash 8 represented something of a departure from history. The Q400 however represents a radical break with tradition by Bombardier as it is more in line with the CRJs and is meant as a more fuel-effective option for inter-city flights over distances up to around 1300 miles. The ATR appear to be more suited for shorter hops such as those LI operate and so it would be the best choice, given what is available now.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14843 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):

“We are presently refining the mission of the larger aircraft in our business plan to determine the exact number required to execute the plan.” Aviation industry sources questioned why LIAT was favouring the ATRS, asserting purchasing them would not make economic sense.

“I have heard that they have already decided on the ATRs – which is hard to understand as the Q400s are much faster, close to jet speeds, while the ATRs operate at the same speed as the current DASH 8s – the obvious advantage being that you get there faster as a passenger and as an airline you get in more trips in a day,” the source said.

Clearly these Aviation industry sources have nothing more than a cursory understanding of the industry, airline operations and simple arithmetic! I for one am sick of these "industry sources" making these statements clearly showing their ignorance and inability to use google properly.

Anyways, I wonder if LI is also going to be undertaking additional capacity cuts. Right now they are operating between 11-13 Dash 8s IIRC. How many aircraft do they envision in their renewed fleet?


Regards
BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14823 times:

well I believe we have discussed about that before! I'll miss the Dashes  but NOW the ATR seem to be the best option.... hope they don't come with MD or BAE ideas LOL !

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
“I have heard that they have already decided on the ATRs – which is hard to understand as the Q400s are much faster, close to jet speeds, while the ATRs operate at the same speed as the current DASH 8s – the obvious advantage being that you get there faster as a passenger and as an airline you get in more trips in a day,” the source said.

Fleet commonality will be a factor, however, politics and financing can eradicate the benefit of same.
ATR has a 50 seater which Bombadier does not, ATR also has a larger model, so if they start off purchasing 6 50 seaters it makes sense to stay with the same OEM when getting the larger a/c, there is quite likely some commonality between the models.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14694 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
“These negotiations surround the proposal for the sale to LIAT of six ATR 42-600 aircraft from the manufacturer. The lead time after agreeing to the proposal would be two to three years for the delivery of all six aircraft.

I'm not aware of the ATR having a delivery time of 2-3 years. Look at how fast Caribbean Airlines got 4 ATR's. The ATR production line to my knowledge really isn't that busy.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 8):

the ATR opens up opportunities for cooperation in spare parts/engineers/maintenance between BW and LI. Both are cash strapped airlines whose govts are tired of supporting them. Or at least should be tired, given many more urgent priorities. Also the less these airlines depend on govt, HOPEFULLY, the less these govts will interfere.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
I'm not aware of the ATR having a delivery time of 2-3 years. Look at how fast Caribbean Airlines got 4 ATR's. The ATR production line to my knowledge really isn't that busy.

Remember, an airline may not be in a position to accept the aircraft as fast ATR can push them out. The rumour out there is LI will take 3 in 2013 and 3 in 2014. So yes, ATR will not take 3 years to build 6 aircraft, but LI may want to use that length of time to complete their fleet renewal program.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14511 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 12):

The lengthy delivery period is no doubt related to funding issues. For that matter its likely that not all of the BW ATRs that they will not take already have buyers, but LI isnt ready yet.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14494 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):

Thank you for the new thread, congratulations to all Jamaicans, Trinidadians and Tobagonians on the 50th anniversary.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 13):

Except BW ordered the 72-600 and I do believe LI wants the 42-600.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14475 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 14):

Yes that is a point, but even if the smaller planes were available its likely that LIAT isnt ready yet. BGI owes UWI US$75 million, jeopardizing Cave Hill campus, and Bajan students in Jamaica and T&T. They are really flat broke. GND said it was going to buy shares in LI, but they had to borrow money from SVD to meet payroll last month. And two major banks in the E/Cbn were bailed out though no one seems willing to say which.

LI isnt a high priority right now.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14452 times:

in the meanwhile Ezjet and CAL exchanging low blows! seems that CAL is rumoring that Ezjet will be the next Redjet and EZjet is flooding their facebook pages with videos of CAL "trying to win back guyanese after they were mistreated", EZjet has issued a statement:!

"Note to our Customers

We have heard many people saying we will be another Redjet. We are thrilled that Redjet aimed at providing ultra low fares to the market so you the customer can enjoy low fares. However, EZjet is EZjet and the amount of support you give us will ensure that we continue service in the market. Our low fares are calculated and we study many aspects to make sure that it will be safe for our airline and will ensure success as we progress."

From EZjet facebook page.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14394 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 14):
Except BW ordered the 72-600 and I do believe LI wants the 42-600.

Well, the 72 is just a stretch of the 42 and all parts are identical. Therefore, cooperation between the two, if ever that happens will be effortless.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
I guess the cat is out the bag now...


Flying high

The cat is indeed out of the bag! It's a pity to so biased sources talking about the suitability of the Q400 to LI's operations.


As for CAL, proving flights by the 763s are suppose to begin this Wednesday to YYZ. Another to LGW should be scheduled soon after.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14343 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 17):

Yes I understand that but I was referring to LI taking the ones BW were giving up. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 18):
Yes I understand that but I was referring to LI taking the ones BW were giving up. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Oh, my apologies....

Well, two of the four not being taken have already been sold to Intersky in the EU and I reckon the other two will find homes pretty quickly.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14221 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 16):

Both Ezjet and CAL need one of those carriers to drop out as the airfares are now quite unsustainable.
It appears as if Ez is drawing more blood from BW than from DL as BW is offering $400 INCLUDING FEES vs DL @ $500.

Having said that DL used to charge $700 for off peak travel so they arent unaffected either.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14005 times:

Bahamas on the spotlight!

Police will keep close eye on pax's arriving from Panama, they believe it is becoming a "trend" for mules to travel from PTY to NAS in order to smuggle narcotics into the USA!

Source: http://www.thenassauguardian.com/ind...-drug-trend&catid=3:news&Itemid=27


AA to withdraw its ATR on the MIA NAS route! ERJ-145 will be used!

It's being discussed here AA ATR Withdrawal On MIA-NAS Complete Nov 15th (by N62NA Oct 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13876 times:

Some interesting developments happening this week

Analysis: BA reasserts commitment to Caribbean
"The Caribbean forms the bedrock of British Airways’ long-haul schedule from Gatwick, with daily flights to Antigua, Saint Lucia and Barbados through the summer and increased frequencies in winter."
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/Details/41757

But it seems that GND will see only One weekly flights from next year from BA and a committee will be meeting with CAL to have a 1w service to LGW with a subsidy for seats.
"Minister for Tourism Senator Dr George Vincent has confirmed that the Grenada Airlift Committee is in discussions with Caribbean Airlines to service the Grenada/London route.
The disclosure follows the announcement from British Airways last week that its twice weekly summer flights to Grenada will be reduced to Sundays only, beginning 2013."
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/head...to-service-London-route-12847.html

New LIAT CEO to address regional transportation issues at industry conference
" The burning and vexing issue of affordable and reliable intra-regional travel will be the focus of attention when the new LIAT CEO, Capt. Ian Brunton, makes his maiden appearance at the region’s premier tourism gathering.
Brunton, who took over at the helm of the regional carrier at the beginning of August, will join a panel of creative thinkers and doers seeking to identify solutions to a problem that has plagued Caribbean travellers for a number of years."
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/head...-at-industry-conference-12853.html



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

Where's Yellowtail annoucing Tropic's new route BZE-CUN just saw on their facebook page!

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6219 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 23):
Where's Yellowtail annoucing Tropic's new route BZE-CUN ?  just saw on their facebook page!

Sorry, I posted it on the C. american forum.

The also announced BZE/SPR-MYF.....which is San Ignacio (Western Belize)

Regionally they now have from BZE...FRS, GUA, SAP, and CUN.....I guess remaining on the hit list is MID, GCM, RTB and LCE



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Just a bit off topic!

Congrats to the West Indies for winning the 2012 Cricket World Cup!  


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):
Congrats to the West Indies for winning the 2012 Cricket World Cup!  

Congrats to them. They won the T20 World Cup which is a reduced overs (20) version of the game. The actual World Cup is 50 overs.


In other news, it's is with great sadness to hear of a FlyMonsterrat Islander that crashed shortly after takeoff from ANU. It is being reported that the pilot and one other passenger is deceased. Two other passengers are in critical condition at the hospital.  

R.I.P. to those gone and a speedy recovery to those in the hospital.


In other sad news, it is also being reported that a seaplane went down in PTP.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlinewindowflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13171 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):
Congrats to the West Indies for winning the 2012 Cricket World Cup



Thanks. But...

Technically it's "THE ICC WORLD TWENTY20 TOURNAMENT" not The Cricket World Cup. The next World Cup is in 2015


CAL's "new" 767s look incredible. Anyone know how long they plan on keeping these aircraft? I would imagine they are already 15 + years old. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in this thread but I don't feel like browsing through 102 pages. Heard rumors about 787 possibilities but I'll believe that when I see it. (Trinis like to talk big)



A-300,319,320,321,330,340,380. B-727,737,747,757,767,777,787. L-1011,DC8,DC9,MD80,CRJ,Dash-8,YS-11,HS-748,Concorde
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 26):

Thanks for the Info!

OMG, this is so sad, I saw LIAT informing their pax via facebook that the runway is closed, and is supposed to be open only from 9 PM!

Anyone with more info?


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13162 times:

Quoting windowflyer (Reply 27):
CAL's "new" 767s look incredible. Anyone know how long they plan on keeping these aircraft? I would imagine they are already 15 + years old. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in this thread but I don't feel like browsing through 102 pages. Heard rumors about 787 possibilities but I'll believe that when I see it. (Trinis like to talk big)

To give a bit of a summary, the B763s are going to be with CAL for an initial period of 5 years (leased from the ILFC). Both aircraft are around 17 years old. As for the 787, that was all stupid talk from the airline's former chairman George Nicholas. For now, CAL is looking to put these 763s into service on initially GEO-JFK-GEO, POS-JFK-POS and POS-YYZ-POS sectors.


Point of note...

9Y-LHR had its first proving flight today to YYZ as BW2600. There should be a proving flight to LGW with 9Y-LGW sometime next week.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13017 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 26):
In other news, it's is with great sadness to hear of a FlyMonsterrat Islander that crashed shortly after takeoff from ANU. It is being reported that the pilot and one other passenger is deceased. Two other passengers are in critical condition at the hospital.  

R.I.P. to those gone and a speedy recovery to those in the hospital.
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 28):
OMG, this is so sad, I saw LIAT informing their pax via facebook that the runway is closed, and is supposed to be open only from 9 PM!

Well from the info ive gathered last night, the FlyM aircraft involved is VP-MON. there are many reports indicating bad weather and that the aircraft was struck by lightening on take off. Now im not a expect on how lightening affects aircraft but I never heard lightening bringing down a plane (at least I dont know of any cases) . But yet thats all speculation so far, we'll have to wait and see what info the investigation brings.

Right now im hearing conflicting reports on how many people died in the crash, some are confirming only two, some say 3 and there are some report 5 deaths. The report that is reporting 3 confirmed deaths report 2 were killed initially in the crash and a third on the way to the hospital as a result of their injuries.

Plane Down At TAPA/ANU Antigua (by wahdadli Oct 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

An official statement from flyMontserrat regarding the crash should be posted later today.

Personally, this crash really hit me a bit hard because it was so close to home and knowing people actually died. At the moment I dont know if there was anyone I knew on that flight as names havent been released. Right now im praying hard for the families of the people who died yesterday.

More to follow...



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12984 times:

Update via MNIalive:

Quote:
The Manager of Fly Montserrat, Captain Nigel Harris, has provided MNI Alive with an official statement from the airline regarding the crash of their aircraft, Flight 107, shortly after takeoff from the VC Bird International Airport.

See statement from Fly Montserrat below:

I can confirm that a FlyMontserrat aircraft crashed shortly after take off at V C Bird International airport around 1600 today.

On board were the pilot and 3 passengers.

We are sad to report that three people have died - two passengers and the pilot, Jason Forbes. One passenger has been critically injured and taken to hospital.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch from the Department for Transport in the UK has been informed and until their team make their report it would be inappropriate to comment further on the cause of the accident.

Our thoughts and condolences are with the families and friends of those on board.

Source: http://www.mnialive.com/lifestyle/is...arding-plane-crash-in-antigua.html



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 26):
In other news, it's is with great sadness to hear of a FlyMonsterrat Islander that crashed shortly after takeoff from ANU. It is being reported that the pilot and one other passenger is deceased. Two other passengers are in critical condition at the hospital.

R.I.P. to those gone and a speedy recovery to those in the hospital.


In other sad news, it is also being reported that a seaplane went down in PTP.

Very sad news indeed!!! R.I.P. to all those gone and as already mentioned, a speedy recovery of the survivor.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 29):
For now, CAL is looking to put these 763s into service on initially GEO-JFK-GEO, POS-JFK-POS and POS-YYZ-POS sectors.

So for now JFK will be seeing two Caribbean Airlines 76W flights on a daily basis? I'm guessing that this capacity is needed especially in December.

I think this was asked before but with the introduction of the 76W how will this affect the loads on the 737 flights? Even though these flights may be additional flights, I'm sure it will have some level of impact on the existing 737 flights(?)

A388


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12827 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):

Yes congrats to the West Indies cricket team

Quoting BW424 (Reply 26):
In other news, it's is with great sadness to hear of a FlyMonsterrat Islander that crashed shortly after takeoff from ANU. It is being reported that the pilot and one other passenger is deceased. Two other passengers are in critical condition at the hospital.  
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 30):

Very sad indeed.

Quoting A388 (Reply 32):
So for now JFK will be seeing two Caribbean Airlines 76W flights on a daily basis? I'm guessing that this capacity is needed especially in December.

No so far the rotation will just be POS-GEO-JFK-GEO-POS 3w, and then POS-GEO-YYZ-GEO-POS 2w. Along with the LGW 3w the 767 will not have much slack in the system hence the reason for a third 763 to join the fleet in the Spring.

For the winter CAL will have from JFK, 21w flights KIN, 10w from MBJ, 28w from POS, 3w (767) from GEO, 4w from GND and 1w from TAB. On some days there will be up to 12 flights in JFK for the Christmas season and more wide-bodies.
YYZ will see 6w to KIN, 14w to POS, 2w to GEO and 2w to GND.

Quoting A388 (Reply 32):
I think this was asked before but with the introduction of the 76W how will this affect the loads on the 737 flights? Even though these flights may be additional flights, I'm sure it will have some level of impact on the existing 737 flights

Honestly no meaningful impact as of yet, the current schedule has shown an increase in pax to I doubt there will be a decrease. If anything CAL can maybe start ATL or IAD, and do some services to BGI.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12815 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 33):
No so far the rotation will just be POS-GEO-JFK-GEO-POS 3w, and then POS-GEO-YYZ-GEO-POS 2w. Along with the LGW 3w the 767 will not have much slack in the system hence the reason for a third 763 to join the fleet in the Spring.

Great thanks for the clarification  
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 33):
Honestly no meaningful impact as of yet, the current schedule has shown an increase in pax to I doubt there will be a decrease. If anything CAL can maybe start ATL or IAD, and do some services to BGI.

That is great for Caribbean Airlines, thanks again Caribbean484. So the addition of those 76W's lead to more people flying on Caribbean Airlines. That's always good!!!

I wonder whether CUR will ever get served by Caribbean Airlines. I have lost faith in that to be honest.

Is there more news regarding the LIAT ATR's?

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):

Ok Andre which citizenship do you want? Its time you stop being an honorary West Indian and become a real one. Pick your favorite CARICOM country......other than Belize......I never hear of them and cricket.

Even though you mixed up 20/20 and CWC still it shows a real commitment to even notice this in a country where they think that the only cricket is the one with wings.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 33):

BW normally runs a wet lease daily 767 from Omni during the peak periods to cover JFK POS. Is the plan for this third aircraft to remove the need for this lease? If so there probably will not be much room for new routes.

I think that an IAD route will do better than ATL. If DL couldnt make ATL work...with their feed in addition to O&D I dont think that BW can. I had the impression that the IAD roite was doing OK for BWIA, until they became unreliable.

Also dont know about BGI. B6 has them locked down, unless AA decides to drop the JFK BGI route, which might be possible as they have discontinued other routes where they have competed with B6.


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12723 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
RE; Jamaica 50th aniversary.
Somebody from Grand Cayman told me once that they were given the choice to be a part of Jamaica 50 years ago but they declined. I suppose The Cayman Island would have been like what Tobago is to Trinidad had they chose to be ruled from Kingston.
Quoting trintocan (Reply 6):
The history is a bit more complex than that as the Cayman Islands (and the Turks and Caicos Islands) had been separate British Crown Colonies but were later administered by Jamaica on behalf of Britain. In other words they were dependencies of Jamaica. They were thus part of the Federation as well. When Jamaica left the Federation and became independent, the Caymans and T&C decided to remain Crown Colonies

The only thing I would make clear in this discussion is that at the time of Jamaica gaining its independence, Cayman was given a choice by the UK government, go with Jamaica or remain and become a Crown colony. The rest is history.

My congratulations on this new thread.

Just read of the plane crash in ANU in a separate post. A sad day indeed. My condolences to the families of the deceased.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12723 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 35):
Ok Andre which citizenship do you want? Its time you stop being an honorary West Indian and become a real one. Pick your favorite CARICOM country......other than Belize......I never hear of them and cricket.

Even though you mixed up 20/20 and CWC still it shows a real commitment to even notice this in a country where they think that the only cricket is the one with wings.

Hahaha hey it's tough question! You know I used to play what we call here "Tacoball" when I was small, it has the principles of cricket but we had no clue cricket even existed! of course I forgot most of the rules and try to re-learn while watching!

I don't think brazilians without connections to the caribbean will ever know what Cricket is....

And I don't know which country I'd pick because each one is so unique and special (apart from BGI of course, I'll never forget what the immigration officers did to me).  


User currently offlinewindowflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12586 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 29):
To give a bit of a summary, the B763s are going to be with CAL for an initial period of 5 years (leased from the ILFC). Both aircraft are around 17 years old. As for the 787, that was all stupid talk from the airline's former chairman George Nicholas. For now, CAL is looking to put these 763s into service on initially GEO-JFK-GEO, POS-JFK-POS and POS-YYZ-POS sectors.


Point of note...

9Y-LHR had its first proving flight today to YYZ as BW2600. There should be a proving flight to LGW with 9Y-LGW sometime next week.

Thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6219 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12553 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 35):
Pick your favorite CARICOM country......other than Belize......I never hear of them and cricket.

Once he gets here next year, he will never want to go to the eastern Caribbean again!

And yes we do play cricket in Belize.....



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12452 times:

Quite off topic but..

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 37):
I don't think Brazilians without connections to the caribbean will ever know what Cricket is....

Add to those Brazilians with connections to India/Pakistan, South Africa and UK.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 39):
And yes we do play cricket in Belize.....

And in Panama too, but now a days it's mostly East Indians (Panamanians of Indian descent and immigrants from that part of the world) who play it.. West Indians stop playing Cricket and started to play Baseball instead.
Surprised West Indies isn't big in Rugby too..



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12443 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 39):

Well Belize does intrigue me. Belizeans are the same anomaly of being the only English speaking country in your region as are Guyanese.; Though you are way more integrated into the rest of Central America than we are in South America as most of you guys are bilingual. Not only do we not speak Spanish or Portuguese, but we do not even have proper air service to Venezuela or Brazil.

Well as for cricket...cant quite recall any Belizeans who have made the team.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12412 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 29):
To give a bit of a summary, the B763s are going to be with CAL for an initial period of 5 years (leased from the ILFC). Both aircraft are around 17 years old. As for the 787, that was all stupid talk from the airline's former chairman George Nicholas.

Cant they place an order for the 787's and they be delivered when the leases for the 767's expier in 5 years.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12319 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):

The news is also saying that a Guyanese woman was onboard. Condolences to the families.

GUYAIR707


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 43):

Thats correct, names were released today. The lone survivor is doing well from what ive heard, other than that nothing new yet.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12323 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 42):
Cant they place an order for the 787's and they be delivered when the leases for the 767's expier in 5 years.

You must have the money to lease those 787's which they apparently don't have now, especially if they also want to replace their 737-800 fleet with the 737MAX model.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 45):

And especially if the LGW route doesnt work out they might want to just stay with an all 737 fleet after the lease expires and not be obligated to an expensive 787.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12264 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 46):

I do believe that some routes have outgrown the 738 (JFK-POS/GEO), especially during the peak season. That being said, yields have to be considered, which I am not privy to.

BA is complaining about the CAL subsidy. The question is will the LGW route do as well if there wasn't the subsidy? If the route can get market share before the removal of the subsidy, then maybe. Could the UK go to the WTO against T&T?? Those would be big guns against T&T if that did happen. It may not be worth it to the UK doing that. In any case their travel tax is killing their Caribbean market, and may be a bigger problem than CAL's subsidy.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 29):
9Y-LHR had its first proving flight today to YYZ as BW2600. There should be a proving flight to LGW with 9Y-LGW sometime next week.

For my own enlightenment, what is the purpose of these proving flights and what is exactly learnt from them? Just a general question as many airlines do it before starting a new route/aircraft type.



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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 35):
BW normally runs a wet lease daily 767 from Omni during the peak periods to cover JFK POS. Is the plan for this third aircraft to remove the need for this lease? If so there probably will not be much room for new routes.

No the third is for CAL to always offer its won services in case of a breakdown or maintenance, there will be more schedule added to both 767s in the future.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 35):
I think that an IAD route will do better than ATL. If DL couldnt make ATL work...with their feed in addition to O&D I dont think that BW can. I had the impression that the IAD roite was doing OK for BWIA, until they became unreliable.

IAD would do well from BGI, basically when BWIA did the route and had a code sharing agreement with United they loads were great but we all know what happened.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 48):
For my own enlightenment, what is the purpose of these proving flights and what is exactly learnt from them? Just a general question as many airlines do it before starting a new route/aircraft type.

Well for CAL/BWIA neither airline ever operated a wide body twin under ETOPS, so its more of a comfort to TTCAA for planning and ETOPS certification. This is more towards Trans Atlantic flights than anything else.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12077 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 49):
IAD would do well from BGI, basically when BWIA did the route and had a code sharing agreement with United they loads were great but we all know what happened.

Did BW close Air Jamaica station @ BWI, if there's still a BW (Air Jamaica) presence in BWI, then if taking about BW to WAS, Why BW doesn't fly to BWI instead of IAD?
I don't see BW giving passengers UA Mileage Plus miles any-time soon. much less having an interest in Star Alliance, code-share w/UA won't really attract that many passengers to fly BW to WAS.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11800 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 47):

The problem is that Caribbean govts are hypocritical about the UK APD killing the UK market. If you ever look at a LIAT ticket you will see that as much as 40% of the fare is for miscellaneous govt fees and taxes.As an example the fare POS SLU could go as high as US$350 but less than $200 goes to LI for the base fare and fuel surcharge.

I was also thinking about the same thing with the T&T fuel subsidy. The UK govt can take T&T to court and LIAT will be very willing to provide testimony as they are also making the same complaint.

I however think that in the long run the fuel subsidy might be damaging to BW if it allows them to adopt routes and fare strategies which are not sustainable with out it. The subsidy is not guaranteed and already there is talk of phasing it out. I do not think that the original intent was for BW to be permanently dependent on it. I think it was to reduce the risks when the airline was in its start up phase.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 49):

So I guess there will be fewer wet leases during the off periods if there is an unscheduled break down. I assume that the 738s will be the back up a/c as the lease costs for the 767 will be higher (I can imagine).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 50):

BW/AJ dropped BWI when Air Tran came in, with a shortage of planes (many planes were being sent back to the lessors)forced them to do the less popular afternoon departues, causing them to lose market share.

I guess which airport will be used BWI or IAD depends on the local market base as most travel will be O&D. The pool of passengers will be VFR, and Washington DC related business and govt travel. I do not see BW as a leisure market carrier, especially as BGI seems to have challenges of growing its US leisure market. They do not have expertise in building market share on leisure oriented routes.

Their failure on the JFK ANU route, where their market was mainly VFR (highly seasonal in a small market like ANU) shows this. Once AA came in (no doubt encouraged by the ANU govt which saw them as a better alternate to DL in their very important leisure market) BW had to go.

Maybe the route can run IAD/BWI KIN POS. With a IAD/BWI BGI POS route running if they decide to add BGI.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11679 times:

Preliminary Report on the crash of MNT107:

Quote:
The crash of the Fly Montserrat Islander aircraft at V.C Bird International Airport on Sunday that took three lives was not caused by lightning.

That's one of the findings of a preliminary report of the investigation into the crash conducted by the Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority. That report will be presented to the Ministry of Tourism and Aviation on Friday.

Director General of ECCAA, Donald Mc Phail said the investigation found no evidence on the aircraft's external body to indicate that it was struck by lightning. Since the crash, there's been widespread speculation that weather, and in particular that lightning may have contributed to the fatal crash that happened shortly after take-off.

Mc Phail said while the report did identify the cause of the plane crash, that his department will allow the government of Antigua and Barbuda to make that announcement.

Source: http://www.mnialive.com/lifestyle/is...crash-says-preliminary-report.html



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

More info just released:

Information Source: ECCAA Accident Investigation

All times in this report are UTC; Antigua time is UTC - 4 hrs
The investigation

The Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority was informed of the accident immediately, and senior staff attended the accident site without delay.
The Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority began an investigation under the Antigua and Barbuda Civil Aviation Regulations 2004. In accordance with established international arrangements, the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) of the United Kingdom, representing the State of Design and Manufacture of the aircraft, and (through its registration in a British Overseas Territory) the State of Operator, appointed an Accredited Representative to participate in the investigation. The AAIB Accredited Representative is supported by an AAIB Advisor. Britten-Norman, the aircraft manufacturer, has been informed of the accident and has offered assistance. Air Safety Support International (ASSI)[1], which performs regulatory oversight of the aircraft operator, has been informed of the accident and is cooperating with the investigation. Montserrat Airways Limited, the operator, is also cooperating with the investigation.
Initial investigative activity focused on examination of the aircraft wreckage and accident site, gathering of evidence from witnesses, and examination of technical records. Further investigation will encompass all operational and engineering matters relevant to the accident. A comprehensive accident report will be published in due course.



History of the flight
The aircraft, which had flown earlier during the day, was on a commercial air transport (passenger) flight from V.C. Bird International Airport, Antigua (TAPA), to John A. Osborne Airport, Montserrat (TRPG), with the pilot and three passengers on board. Weather conditions at the time of departure were good, though convective clouds and heavy rain showers had passed over the airport while the aircraft was parked before flight.
Shortly after takeoff, the aircraft was observed to yaw to the right, and to cease climbing. The aircraft then descended rapidly, apparently out of control. The aircraft impacted the ground within the airport perimeter, right wingtip first and steeply banked to the right, at low forward speed. Ground marks and damage to the wing tips and nose indicate that the aircraft cart-wheeled before coming to rest erect. The fuselage forward of the wings was destroyed; there was comparatively less damage to the rear part of the aircraft.
The pilot and two passengers, both of whom were seated in the forward part of the cabin, were fatally injured. Another passenger, seated in the rear-most row of seats, was seriously injured and taken to hospital for treatment.
Examination of the wreckage indicates that the number two (right-hand) engine was not producing power at the time of impact, and investigation of the fuel system feeding that engine found significant quantities of water.
Following failure of one of the two engines on the Islander aircraft, the failed engine’s propeller should be feathered, to reduce the drag produced. Following successful feathering, continued flight should be possible. Examination of the right-hand propeller showed that it was not in the feathered position.


[1] ASSI is a wholly-owned, not-for-profit, subsidiary of the United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (UK CAA)



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 53):
investigation of the fuel system feeding that engine found significant quantities of water.

Geeeeee, too early for speculations OF COURSE, but reminds of a crash we had few years ago here in MAO, there was also high quantities of water in the acft system ....


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11363 times:

It seems that Mr Brunton has hit the ground running.... hopefully under his stewardship rationalization at LI can happen.

Taken from the October 12 online edition of the Barbados Advocate

http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/todayspaper/2008/20121012WWW/20121012_P1.jpg
http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/todayspaper/2008/20121012WWW/20121012_P5.jpg


Does anyone have an idea when LHR and LGW will be pressed into service?

Regards
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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 55):

Which routes you think will be cut?

I think SDQ-ANU and POS-CUR


User currently offlineBeeski From US Virgin Islands, joined Dec 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11157 times:

a Piper Aztec doing the morning TISX-TIST newspaper run crashed into the ocean approx 8 miles from St. Thomas.
early word is one survivor, one fatality, and 3 missing



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...off-virgin-islands-3-missing?liteI

[Edited 2012-10-13 18:34:22]

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11053 times:

Quoting Beeski (Reply 57):

Heard about this aswell. Its not been a good week at all.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10741 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 56):
POS-CUR

Loads to CUR have always been decent so I don't know if they will cut this route.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 56):

If those routes werent profitable they would ahve been cut a while back. CUR is a shopping route and SDQ is a reverse VFR route, i.e. people from the DR who live in SKB/NEV and ANU going home on visits...not a constituency that OECS govts will feel obligated to support.So the fact that they exist means that they hold their own.

NEV is definitely on the list. Maybe AXA and STX., and possibly the French islands. LI drastically cut back service to GND, so thats a clue. Maybe they might want to serve SXM SKB ANU with a smaller plane (back to code shares with Winair?). I guess if one looks at routes always being included in the "let's Go" fares promotions that ill be a clue.

As much as LI pushes SJU I dont know how profitable it is, though they live in hope with AE's planned pull out next Spring.

LIAT might be looking at a leaner core fleet (10 planes) focused on its most profitable routes.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10628 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 56):
Which routes you think will be cut?

With the exception of perhaps NEV and CIW (which may become seasonal), I doubt any routes will be "cut". What I do know, is certain destinations will be getting reduced service i.e. reduction in the number of flights per day, or reduction in flights from daily to only few days per week. On the list are STT, STX, AXA, PTP, GND and surprisingly, GEO



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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3240 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (2 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10612 times:

LI - sadly the news just keeps getting worse all of the time. Captain Brunton is a man I respect highly as he has considerable knowledge of Caribbean aviation and as such under his stewardship LI should be able to be sorted out. The thing is, what has really gone wrong with LI? As we see right now core destinations are being savagely cut - look at GND, who is now down to just 3 flights a day and this for one of the airline's historically strongest markets.

For starters, LI have always prided themselves as being "THE Caribbean Airline" with services to more islands than anyone else. While this has meant a comprehensive network it has also meant considerable costs of operation with multiple landing fees per flight which accummulate over the many daily sectors and the relatively small markets that they serve. It will be quite a challenge to maintain the route structure and cut losses. So, talk has arisen about possible destinations being cut unless the airline gets subsidies to serve the routes. This could be a double-edged sword though as much of LI's value stems from their many islands. If they cut too many they may find revenue inflow dropping to unsustainably low levels. One is left to think that their present routes do turn some revenue as last year they axed CIW (later reinstated) and TAB, citing unprofitability. Could it be though that the "Caribbean Airline" mindset prevented them from trimming more last year?

Another side to LI's travails is that the islands are for the most part not doing too well either. GND is an especially unhappy case right now - almost insolvent with a rapidly declining tourist industry that today has seen one of its most popular hotels shut down. Added to the LI cutbacks there are BA reducing it to one weekly from next Summer and ZB (I hear) closing service. BGI, ANU, SVD and many others are also seeing worsening economic fortunes. With less money around, people travel less and this is hitting LI - plus the falling tourist numbers affect them as well as inter-island visits have lately contributed to LI's traffic. The global recession and other factors (APD anyone?) are thus dragging LI down. LI is thus faced with economic weakness in its 3 main shareholders as they have to undertake restructuring and fleet renewal - not cheap exercises too.

LI also complain about the growth of Caribbean Airlines (new BW) and their well-known fuel subsidy. LI have blamed BW for the demise of the TAB route as well as loss of profitability on other sectors. The thing is that old BW and other airlines had long competed on regional routes with LI and generally LI emerged victors. The POS - GND route in particular saw LI hold its own against BW, C2, 8B and others before. On POS - BGI, though, old BW were always much stronger historically with multiple nonstop jet flights as compared to multi-hop LI services so it appears moot to argue about that service. LI had also been handed POS - ANU and BGI - ANU on a platter after new BW reduced service soon after their formation, though BW have now apparently increased frequencies. In any event LI fly many routes that BW will certainly not touch. About TAB, though, anyone using BW from there to BGI would have to go to POS then out, overflying their point of origin whereas LI flew directly. The domestic sector has always been subsidised as an important service and so the fuel subsidy is less of an issue there. I think the TAB issue more closely resembled what GND is going through now, albeit with a much smaller base to start with.

Another issue that will invariably surface is whether POS should participate more in LI and become a financial benefactor. POS is certainly more economically vibrant than the other islands but, with the BW fuel subsidy becoming an issue and the various difficulties with the JM takeover plus a perceived level of government indifference to Caricom, would they do that? One is left to consider whether any negotiations with POS may result in a BW and LI merger being considered. In any event the two airlines should collaborate more (somehow I do not think that a merger is absolutely essential or in the best interests of either) and stop trying to slay each other.

So, we wait and see. Already people in islands highly dependent on LI appear concerned as to possible cutbacks and all that. I hope that they can regroup, get themselves more sustainable and keep themselves airborne.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 61):


Well if you are right I dont see how LI will get more govt support. GND will simply seek to use BW. They already seem to have good relationships with them. GND has directs to MIA, JFK,YYZ and LGW so need less BGI intransits, and I dont think that GND will see further cuts. BTW GND is trying to gte BW to offer 1X to LGW to offset the loss of Monarch and the reduced service by BA from next summer.

GEO has absoluitely no need for LI so will not put money there. BW can fill gaps.

NEV has no money and so might have to woo Winair and depend more on ferry service to SKB. AXA is already becoming more SXM dependent. They probably dont need daily connections via ANU to LGW. No way that the USVI will put any $ into LI. They are usually upset that LI is late paying their airport fees.


BW seems to be drawing blood from LI in the southern Caribbean. With newer planes and mkore reliable service and with a simpler intra Caribbena route network it will offer more reliable amd comfortable service than LI can.


I keep on wondering why EIS deserves so many flights per day 4/5.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 62):

Good points. GND will be in serious trouble as their tourism mix features more of the UK and tha Caribbean and less of the USA (mainly VFR and university related) and Canada.


IMHO LI protests too much about BW. As you said the BGI POS route was never theirs. BWIA was the dominant carrier on the BGI GEO. BWeeX also flew POS GND/SLU in times past, and did well too, until 8B diluted marketshare by putting in excess capacity..
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I suspect the root of the complaints isnt BW's fuel subsidy. Its an attempt by LI to have it extended to them too...which of course will never happen as T&T is even seeing at what point they can stop subsidizing BW. Plus BW will cherry pick routes ex POS/GEO and not LI's entire route network.



LIAT will have to stream line its operations, reducing staff, landings, fuel use, and leasing costs (fewer planes). An alliance with Winair or SVG Air seems imminent to service AXA and NEV. which really mainly need LI to connect via ANU with BA/VS. .


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Reply 64, posted (2 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 61):

With the exception of perhaps NEV and CIW (which may become seasonal),

I recall last year when CIW was cut by LI, they said that it was more suited for a charter type of operation. This tends to be in line with what you are saying. NEV had also been cut before then reinstated.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 61):
On the list are STT, STX, AXA, PTP, GND and surprisingly, GEO

It is interesting to see this list. I think the issue with GEO arises from it having greater traditional ties with POS than with BGI and hence flights to POS - by and large sewn up by BW notwithstanding some unfortunate issues people have experienced - prove more viable than BGI flights. I would imagine at least one daily flight to BGI will remain though.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
BWeeX also flew POS GND/SLU in times past,

BWee Express did POS - SVD, not SLU although old BW flew to SLU at one point with MD83s while flying to LHR from UVF. Of course new BW is back in SLU!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
I suspect the root of the complaints isnt BW's fuel subsidy. Its an attempt by LI to have it extended to them too...

Agreed. Not a chance.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 64):

BweeX flew to SLU 2X from BGI and 1X from POS. this with their dash 8 300s. The BGI flights were to connect with their JFK and MIA routes. Indeed the 1X SVD BGI route connected also with JFK thru BGI. This was from 1999 to maybe around 2002. They discontinued UVF service except to LHR.

There are strong ties to BGI and indeed thousands of Guyanese live there. BW now does 3xd/week jets and this is mots likely preferred over LIATs ageing turbos. LI does offer ongoing connections thru BGI to the OECS and to SXM.

Guyanese (and Jamaicans, Vincies and St Lucians) have unpleasant experiences at BGI. It has become so glaring that in a TV program sponsored by the CTo several Bajan audience members raised this problem as a reason why intra Caribbean travel is down. No doubt their Guyanese, Vincy, Lucian and Jamaican friends told them of their experiences in BGI, POS, ANU, and to a lesser extent SKB and SXM.


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Reply 66, posted (2 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 62):
Another side to LI's travails is that the islands are for the most part not doing too well either. GND is an especially unhappy case right now - almost insolvent with a rapidly declining tourist industry that today has seen one of its most popular hotels shut down. Added to the LI cutbacks there are BA reducing it to one weekly from next Summer and ZB (I hear) closing service. BGI, ANU, SVD and many others are also seeing worsening economic fortunes. With less money around, people travel less and this is hitting LI - plus the falling tourist numbers affect them as well as inter-island visits have lately contributed to LI's traffic. The global recession and other factors (APD anyone?) are thus dragging LI down. LI is thus faced with economic weakness in its 3 main shareholders as they have to undertake restructuring and fleet renewal - not cheap exercises too.

With my little experience island hopping around the caribbean, I can state that: Caribbean is not cheap but can't make a lot of money neither at the moment, so "let's charge the double or triple for tourists things"! the result: more and more tourists will exchange the islands for CUN PVR LIR etc.... on these destinations you can find good guesthouses for 20 US WITH FOOD!!!!, which is unthinkable on most islands (GCM can tell you!!!! cheapest "guest house" so far 150 USD dailly rate with almost nothing included)... on SDQ they wanted to charge me 40 USD for the taxi ride, no bus available, the airport in my town is also far, gas more expensive and they don't charge that!! service in the caribbean is no stellar and they make you feel obliged to tip them, and not a low tip...

Quoting trintocan (Reply 62):
nonstop jet flights as compared to multi-hop LI services so it appears moot to argue about that service.

That's the why I suggested CUR, example: "Ok I need to book a flight between POS and CUR, let me see hmmmm PY and LI, wait PY has jet's, same fare, and same timing, better service maybe? So I'll arrive earlier in CUR, better than noisy propeller also" .... but if A388 says CUR is doing good for LI.....

Quoting trintocan (Reply 62):
may result in a BW and LI merger being considered.

God forbid! BGI-POS fare will jump to 500 USD one way? LOL  
Quoting trintocan (Reply 62):
Already people in islands highly dependent on LI appear concerned as to possible cutbacks

Exactly, AXA is quite isolated (aviation speaking), without LI they depend heavily on the boat crosses!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
I keep on wondering why EIS deserves so many flights per day 4/5.

When I took SXM-EIS and EIS-ANU both flights were packed! so that may be the answer! and lots of eastern caribbeans working on EIS, remember there you earn in USD and can send it home to help your relatives!


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Reply 67, posted (2 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10492 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 65):
BweeX flew to SLU 2X from BGI and 1X from POS. this with their dash 8 300s. The BGI flights were to connect with their JFK and MIA routes. Indeed the 1X SVD BGI route connected also with JFK thru BGI. This was from 1999 to maybe around 2002. They discontinued UVF service except to LHR.

You're spot on. I stand corrected.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (2 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10419 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
GEO has absoluitely no need for LI so will not put money there. BW can fill gaps.

I wouldn't go that far and say that. LI does attract a good load to GEO, most of whom goes to places BW does not serve.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
BW seems to be drawing blood from LI in the southern Caribbean. With newer planes and mkore reliable service and with a simpler intra Caribbena route network it will offer more reliable amd comfortable service than LI can.

As you said, BW is simply cherry picking all the "profitable" routes. BW simply will not go to half the places LI goes simply because they will not make money. So, good ol' LI is left holding the bag with all the unprofitable routes. An airline like LI is like the MTA of NYC. That 2am bus that always seem to only have 1 person on board clearly doesn't make money, but it still has to run.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
I keep on wondering why EIS deserves so many flights per day 4/5.

EIS has many nationals from SDQ living there as well as other OECS national. EIS is popular with the UK flights ex ANU and also get pax from AF ex SXM.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
LIAT will have to stream line its operations, reducing staff, landings, fuel use, and leasing costs (fewer planes). An alliance with Winair or SVG Air seems imminent to service AXA and NEV. which really mainly need LI to connect via ANU with BA/VS. .

While this will indeed put LI in a better position financially and operationally, the fact is it is very difficult for LI to make money in this region without subsidies or market support from governments. If governments can subsidize foreign carriers, why can't LI get the same? Id love to see how high BW fares jump once that fuel subsidy goes. Then we'll really see how barley grow, as we say in Antigua.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 69, posted (2 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 66):
That's the why I suggested CUR, example: "Ok I need to book a flight between POS and CUR, let me see hmmmm PY and LI, wait PY has jet's, same fare, and same timing, better service maybe? So I'll arrive earlier in CUR, better than noisy propeller also" .... but if A388 says CUR is doing good for LI.....

I would also prefer jet service, but LI flies passengers from the other islands to CUR. PY doesn't do that and no matter how you look at it, LI is just more trusted and much better known to Caribbeans than PY is so your logic, even though I can see your point, it is not applicable in this case.


Regarding your guesthouse story, yes, I agree that the Caribbean can be more expensive compared to Mexico but you must also take into the equation that living and working on an island is also more expensive. Labor costs in most of the Caribbean are not comparable to Mexico which is much cheaper. Due to the small size of everything on an island, it makes the islands more expensive to begin with. I also can't imagine that people in Mexico don't know about the "let's charge the double or triple for tourists things"! so I don't even want to talk about that.

A388


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Reply 70, posted (2 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10338 times:

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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 10286 times:

Just heard that there was another flymontserrat accident, this time in MNI. Aircraft is off the runway in the grass. Saw some pics of the accident doesnt appear to be any damage to the aircraft, but it could have been much worse, if anyone is familiar with MNI you would know that there are deep valleys at both ends of the runway. Glad no one was hurt in this accident.


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

link with a photo:

http://www.gov.ms/?p=7203



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10075 times:

FlyMontserrat has been banned from flying into any ECCAA territory effectively grounding the airline.

BRADES, Montserrat (GIU) – No injuries have been reported from a Tuesday morning incident at Montserrat's John A. Osborne Airport involving a FlyMontserrat aircraft. However, the airline has been grounded until it meets Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority (ECCCA) requirements.

The airline head Nigel Harris confirmed on Tuesday morning that “one of its aircraft rolled onto the grass on landing at John Osborne Airport in Montserrat this morning.

“The flight, 5M 2109, from Antigua with seven passengers, landed normally and decelerated along the runway. The pilot thought that he felt a minor vibration and as a precaution, he let the aircraft roll gently onto the grass, where the passengers disembarked,” the statement read.

Airport officials confirmed that the airport was reopened at 3:00 pm after the plane was removed following the incident, which occurred around 9:40 am.

There were no reported injuries and no damage to the aircraft according to airline officials.

The flight was said to have been returning from Antigua at 9:40 am with seven people on board; six passengers and one pilot.

This is the second mishap for FlyMontserrat in nine days. On Sunday, October 7, 2012, a British Norman Islander nine-seat aircraft operated by the airline crashed shortly after takeoff from the V.C. Bird International Airport in Antigua. Two passengers and the pilot died in the crash.

On Tuesday, FlyMontserrat received a letter from the ECCAA restricting the airline from flying into any ECCAA country, following Tuesday morning’s incident at the John A. Osborne Airport.

Premier Reuben Meade confirmed that the airline is essentially grounded, now that they cannot complete their regularly scheduled flights to Nevis and Antigua, which they serve daily.

The ban will be in place until the airline meets certain requirements stipulated by the ECCAA.

http://caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory...following-second-mishap-13037.html



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10000 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 72):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):

Ohhhh No!   and now how am I going to visit MNI? can't even book a flight online with Fly SVG!  


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):

You beat me to it, was gonna post something similar. The aircraft involved was VP-MNT, funnily enough, ive been on that aircraft on my one and only flymontserrat flight.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 74):
Ohhhh No!   and now how am I going to visit MNI? can't even book a flight online with Fly SVG!  

I think bookings can be made by phone, and you should be able to pay at the airport on the day of travel, though im not entirely sure, I can find out for you if you like.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 75):

That would be great thank you!


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 66):

AXA seems quite reconciled to being a "ferry ride away" from SXM. LI will bring in UK traffic, and maybe some from STT and ANU (and SKB via ANU). But most of their North American visitors seem to fly to SXM and then ferryu over. There is a ferry from the SXM airport which connects with these flights. I even saw AXA promotional materials where they are boasting of their proximity to SXM. Clearly for accessability as AXA offers a very different tourist product than SXM as you know.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 68):

My point is that if LI collapses the Guyana economy isnt hurt. So Guyana will not feel compelled to rtescue LI as will SVD,DOM, or (for different reasons) ANU or BGI.I really dont think that the Govt of GY cares whether Guyanese are able to get to SVD, or SKB. BW can take them to GND, SLU, SXM and ANU.

As to BW cherry picking. It is actually in LIATs interest that there are perceived alternatives to them. This will occur on the more profitable routes EX POS. Much of the rage expressed against LI isnt because they are so bad...indeed every negative experience I have had on LI I have also had with AA (including very worn planes).Its because when LI has a problem one feels very helpless and marooned because there is the sense that swimming is the only alternative.

My understanding of many of the subsidies is that they are performance based. Not a blanket check written out to an airline. As an example GND told DL not to fly there this Fall because the loads would be too low and they would have to had to pay them. Apparently they dont have that problem with BW. I have heard claims that SKB hasnt had to actually pay subsidies, even though they are in place because actual yields/loads exceed the minimum demanded.

So I doubt that LIAT is going to ever get the braod support that they seem to need. This is apart from the fact that AA has a very strong bargaining position. They dont need SLU. SLU needs them.

Quoting A388 (Reply 69):

While your point about the high costs of doing business, hence the prices that must be charged is valid, tourists dont care about that. They will look to see which destination offers value and many are increasingly skeptical about the Caribbean. It simply means that if the Caribbean is more costly it will have to offer a better product and service standards that is currently the case.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 76):

The numbers are on this page at the bottom:

http://www.abm-air.com/index.html

You would be able to pay at the airport in ANU

Though, you shouldnt worry too much about it, because depending on when your planning to fly into MNI next year, FlyM sound be back up and running, I dont expect the grounding to be too long.

Other developments: SVG air have started increasing flights into MNI to fill the gap left from the grounding of FlyMontserrat. Also, ive gotten word from a source that the Government of Montserrat are in talks with Winair about resuming flights temporarily as well.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9795 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 77):
My point is that if LI collapses the Guyana economy isnt hurt. So Guyana will not feel compelled to rtescue LI as will SVD,DOM, or (for different reasons) ANU or BGI.I really dont think that the Govt of GY cares whether Guyanese are able to get to SVD, or SKB. BW can take them to GND, SLU, SXM and ANU.

That always seem to be the train of thought until LI goes and then the govt scramble to either get the airline back or some alternate arrangement. I wouldn't think the Guyana economy will collapse, but it WILL be a serious blow to the travelling public. Contrary to popular belief, Guyanese travel to places other than New York.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 77):

My understanding of many of the subsidies is that they are performance based. Not a blanket check written out to an airline. As an example GND told DL not to fly there this Fall because the loads would be too low and they would have to had to pay them.

Fair enough, but note that the tourism authority in many of these territories take on the load of marketing the destination. Are these same territories willing to do the same for Ll? Too much attention is given to attracting US and UK visitors that we completely forget about intra-regional travel.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 77):

So I doubt that LIAT is going to ever get the braod support that they seem to need. This is apart from the fact that AA has a very strong bargaining position. They dont need SLU. SLU needs them.

They probably won't, that simply means unprofitable routes/flights will be cut. LI simply cannot afford to operate this way any longer. It was interesting to read LI's new CEO say that over 35% of LI route network is unprofitable. It's a shame this didn't happen years ago.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 78):

Though, you shouldnt worry too much about it, because depending on when your planning to fly into MNI next year, FlyM sound be back up and running, I dont expect the grounding to be too long.

Call me a pessimist, but I don't see FlyM flying the friendly sky's again. Maybe I'll be proved wrong.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9658 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 79):

Well it all depends on what the circumstances are, and what they have to do to get back in the air. I dont have that info, but im just going on what ive been told. In my honest opinion they shouldnt fly again at all for reasons ill not reveal here on a.net. But chances are they will find some way back in the air.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 80):

The way you talk, even before the accidents, seems something very wrong has always being around Flymntsrrt!


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 81):

Well to be fair, an airline that charges 1000xcd (approx. 370 USD) for a roundtrip between MNI and ANU (2 15 minut flights) deserves to get grounded in my opinion! However those arent the only reasons. Other reasons are due to its management and other stuff they were allowed to get away with before the accidents. Though i should say that this recent accident (the overrun) is not new as this is the third time this has happened to them in MNI, second time this year. Hence me and many others i know refuse to fly them. Though, luckily for them, they do have their supporters, which even now still surprises me. But we'll have to wait and see what happens.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 77):
While your point about the high costs of doing business, hence the prices that must be charged is valid, tourists dont care about that.

Not necessarily, Dutch and German tourists do look at price. I was just explaining that the higher prices doesn't necessarily have to do with local people ripping off tourists, the cost of living also is higher compared to places like Mexico. Tourists can chose other destinations for cheaper rates but there will always be people who rip off tourists, so Mexico certainly isn't any better in that regard.

A388


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9561 times:

Tiara Air's sole 737 was in Curacao on a charter flight. See my photo below:



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 79):

Guyanese traveling to POS,GND,SLU,BGI,ANU and SXM will be quite welcome to fly BW. The only problem will be Guyanese traveling to SVD,SKB, and EIS. I see no reason why any one will expect Guyana to fork over cash to LIAT to facilitate such travel.

Now as to unprofitable routes. If the routes cant work LI will simply have to drop them, or come to some arrangement where a lower cost option is available (using SVG AIR or WM as an example) to places like NEV which dont justofy a 50 seater. If 4 flights oer day to an island is too much do 3 or 2. Other than SVD and DOM long gone are the days when islands were vitally dependent on connections to major carriers thru hubs in ANU and BGI.

While the Caribbean market is useful, and in some cases they spend more $$ than UK visitors, and als are more efficient in ensuring that their expenditures spread more deeply into the economy (staying at smaller hotels, and more likely consuming local goods and services) the volume is not there and will never be there.

The USA market, as well as the UK and the Canadian markets will always be critical. It is a fact of life that AA,DL,UA,BA and VS do NOT need the Caribbean. One can call these big carriers evil predators for holding islands to ransom but such is a fact of life. .

Note that SKB attracts over 60k visitors from the USA, vs under 20k from the rest of the Caribbean. 85% of the US viistors arrive on AA. Tell you what. If SKB has little money (they dont) guess who will get the cash, AA or LI. While SKB might be extreme in that its dependence on one carrier is most extreme, one can say the same for many other islands.

Now as to markting to the Caribbean market. Do you note what Caribbean govts need to do? They need to stop being hypocrites criticizing the APD as being the worst thing, while doing the same thing to Caribbean travellers. Even BA made note of the fact that increased taxes and fees has simply made the APD problem even worse.

A few years ago I went fromSKB to SXM. Air fare was US$ 290. with LI getting $160. You dont have to convince a Bajan to go to St Lucia when 5 years ago twice as many were traveling there as do now. About 10 years ago I was in ANU and the topic on the radio was some big party in SKB that apparently quite a few Antiguans went to...not the Music Festival, but some huge backyard party by some clearly very popular person. How much of that spontaneous travel occurs now?

If the govts really want to stimulate regional travel they would sharply reduce taxes and fees for Intra CARICOM travel. This market has shrunk dramatically over the past 7 years and it isnt because Trinis suddenly forgot that GND can be a wonderful alterbnative to TAB for a long weekend.

Indeed given the huge hassles and expense of getting a US visitor visa these days one would think that intra Caribbean travel would be booming!!!!

Quoting A388 (Reply 83):

While locals are usually not ripping off tourists when they charge almost a smuch for a meal as one would pay in MANHATTAN the visitor will take note that he is not getting Manhattan level service. If he was he might not mind paying these prices, especially on dry islands like CUR and AUA where it is obvious that every food item must be imported. the point isnt that the Caribbean must charge less. The point is that ity must provide quality to justify these higher prices and the fact that it doesnt is going to hurt them. Check the blogs and the visitors have two complaints. SERVICE (not in AUA, but most other places) and HIGH PRICES.

[Edited 2012-10-18 11:49:18]

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9456 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):
Indeed given the huge hassles and expense of getting a US visitor visa these days one would think that intra Caribbean travel would be booming!!!!

Ever tried a Canadian visa? I already filled like 6 or 7 forms, my application looks like a book LOL! very big hassle and 300 usd fee against 140 usd for the american which was approved on the same day! Canadian may take up to 1 month to return according to them! bottom line: Nightmare!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):
While locals are usually not ripping off tourists when they charge almost a smuch for a meal as one would pay in MANHATTAN the visitor will take note that he is not getting Manhattan level service. If he was he might not mind paying these prices, especially on dry islands like CUR and AUA where it is obvious that every food item must be imported. the point isnt that the Caribbean must charge less. The point is that ity must provide quality to justify these higher prices and the fact that it doesnt is going to hurt them. Check the blogs and the visitors have two complaints. SERVICE (not in AUA, but most other places) and HIGH PRICES.

  

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LIAT set to upgrade Customer Reservations System

ST. JOHN’S, Antigua, October 18, 2012 – Regional airline LIAT is set to upgrade its Computerised Reservations System (CRS) which handles all reservations; and its Departure Control System (DCS) which is used for check-in. The upgrade is planned to take place over the period of October 23 to 24.
Over the past several months, LIAT has been putting the necessary plans in place and all systems are go for the upgrade.

In light of the planned upgrade, LIAT wishes to advise its customers and the public in general that its reservations system will be unavailable from 6:00 pm on October 23 until approximately 9:00 am on October 24. As a result, customers wishing to make a new booking or to make a change to an existing booking will need to do so outside of these hours.

Among other benefits, the planned systems upgrade will enable LIAT to improve its interline capability, which could facilitate seamless connections with other carriers.

LIAT is confident that the new CRS, which also has the capability for new features such as web check-in which will be added over time, will vastly improve the customer experience.

While no major hiccups are expected during the migration to the new CRS, LIAT is cognizant that even the best planned cutover could result in unforeseen challenges. The Company is therefore urging its valued customers who are scheduled to travel on flights departing from 6:00 pm on October 23 through to 12:00 noon on October 24 to adhere to its required check-in of at least two hours before departure. Customers are also required to present a copy of their latest itinerary at the check-in counter to accelerate the check-in process.

Throughout the LIAT network contingency procedures will be in place and additional customer service personnel will be available to ensure the needs of customers are met.

Customers and the public in general are also advised that LIAT’s corporate web site will not be available for bookings during the period of the upgrade. However, customers may log on to the web site and the LIAT Facebook Page for updates.

Customers needing assistance may also call the LIAT Call Centre from Antigua on 1-268-480-5582; toll free from the rest of the Caribbean on 1-888-844-5428; from Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands on 1-866-549-5428 and from the United Kingdom on 0-808-234-2329.

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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):
The point is that ity must provide quality to justify these higher prices and the fact that it doesnt is going to hurt them.

In that you are right but the "let's charge the double or triple for tourists things"! applies to all countries where tourism is important so countries like Mexico aren't any different than Caribbean islands.

A388


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Capt Ian Brunton: 35% of LIAT’s flights subsidised


Frigate Bay, St Kitts: Thirty-five per cent of 112 daily flights by LIAT are described by the airline’s new chief executive officer Captain Ian Brunton as “social (uneconomic) routes.”

“LIAT cannot continue to meet the cost of these social routes,” Brunton told the state of the industry conference of the Caribbean Tourism Organisation in St Kitts last week.

The airline operates the intra-regional routes in the Caribbean going as far north as Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic and Guyana and T&T in the south, also flying into the US and British Virgin Islands and the French Caribbean, Guadeloupe and Martinique.

Ian Bertrand, former CEO of BWIA from 1979-1993, in his presentation at the conference expressed shock that such a large percentage of flights are 35 per cent of its flights are subsidised.

“This is madness. I don’t know of any business which can survive in such circumstances,” Bertrand said.

What is more, the airline is owned by only three of the 11 Caricom governments—Barbados, St Vincent and the Grenadines and Antigua—and seven non-Caricom territories which benefit from the service LIAT provides. Those non-Caricom territories are: US Virgin Islands, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Curacao, Aruba, Guadeloupe and Martinique.

Without saying which markets are uneconomical, Brunton says the routes are in and out of eight countries.

See full article: http://www.guardian.co.tt/business-g...-liat%E2%80%99s-flights-subsidised



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 87):

The wallets of tourists scream OUCH when they visit the Caribbean, more than in many other sun/sand destinations. When this comes with wait staff too busy chatting on the phone and then acting a s if offended that service is being asked of them the wallet screams OUCH even louder. A "suck teeth" followed by the slowest waddle over to the table is not something that folks expect when paying the same prices for a meal that they would in Manhattan. Not to say that it always happens, but it happens often enough.

Tourists have no interest in a social historical discussion about why so mnay people in the Caribbean think that service=servile, and fail to understand that high prices should come with very attentive service---quick, responsive, and with explanations when things dont go as expected.....not a shrug of the shoulders and a "who s/he think she is?" when the wrong order comes, or the food is late in arriving at the table.

I know that many people in the Caribbean see numbers of tourists arriving and get the impression that these people have some desperate need to visit their island. As some one who works in the same offices that they do, and who hears the responses that they have upon return. And most disturblingly, sees a sharp decline in interest in Caribbean, traveling to Florida instead, this is a concern. A smaller pool of people out of the Caribbean's best market, the NY area, are now going to the Caribbean.

I will not even get into what happens at customs/immigration, or at the check in counters when there are service delays/baggage issues, etc..


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3240 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 88):
and seven non-Caricom territories which benefit from the service LIAT provides. Those non-Caricom territories are: US Virgin Islands, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Curacao, Aruba, Guadeloupe and Martinique.

LI do not serve AUA. The British Virgin Islands are outside Caricom and they form the 7th destination outside of the grouping.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 90):
LI do not serve AUA. The British Virgin Islands are outside Caricom and they form the 7th destination outside of the grouping.

A case of sloppy reporting i guess. I assume they meant St. Maarten which would make it 8 or even 9 if you consider the USVI as two (STT & STX). The BVI and Anguilla along with Bermuda, Turks & Caicos and the Cayman Islands are actually associate members of Caricom.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9362 times:

We've seeing a lot of changes in LI so far! seems that Brunton is working hard to change it! so maybe we'll soon see:

1- web check-in?
2- interlines?
3- low prices if the taxes are lowed?
4- new planes?

When you transit in ANU there are 2 ladies on 2 desks before the x-rays to "check" if your other boarding pass is ok? is this really necessary? I mean transiting in BGI and other airports they don't so it, maybe another "curious" way to create jobs?


User currently offlineahlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 92):
When you transit in ANU there are 2 ladies on 2 desks before the x-rays to "check" if your other boarding pass is ok? is this really necessary? I mean transiting in BGI and other airports they don't so it, maybe another "curious" way to create jobs?

I doubt these are LIAT employees. More likely government employees.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

The most beautiful cargo livery made a stop in Curacao last week. See my photo below:



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Also, there was a medical emergency to Curacao that time as well:



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Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

I guess still no news about when the 767s will begin to operate. Hopefully before Xmas otherwise it will get expensiove as CAL has an aggressive LGW schedule of 6x.

User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 96, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

More photos I took in Curacao have been added now:



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[Edited 2012-10-22 11:52:38]

User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 95):
I guess still no news about when the 767s will begin to operate. Hopefully before Xmas otherwise it will get expensiove as CAL has an aggressive LGW schedule of 6x.

9Y-LHR is slated to start its initial services this week to LGW and 9Y-LGW is slated to start soon also.

Quoting A388 (Reply 96):

Once again nice photos man keep them coming.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8423 times:

EZjet has a special promotion, pay one fee fly as many times as you like to one of their destinations for the month.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 98):

I've seen it, LIAT used to have it prior to 2009!


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 98):

Silly. Every time the plane takes off it burns fuel, pays crews, and landing fees. It also has over heads. Why after being around for almost a year do they still have to resort to such tactics?


User currently offlineairfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8226 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):

I checked out the rules for their new pass. Looks like you pay a flat rate for the pass, and then the taxes on the days you want to travel. Pass bookings are limited to a few seats per flight. Sounds very much like an ID/Travel Industry discount ticket which many airlines offer, just very surprised that they are offering this to the public, but this is EZJet after all.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 101):

When EZjet fails they will blame CAL, just as Redjet did when they had a similarly flawed strategy.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8206 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):

Now it's being EZJet's owner Sonny Ramdeo embezzled 5.4 million US $$.

Will give the link in a few minutes once I get to my PC.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 98):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):
Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 101):

Something like this is not announced in public under the rules they have provided, so it seems they have a serious load problem on the market along with a revenue problem.
The market is already over-saturated with low yielding seats and to make matters worst, we are into the low season and loads are looking at the mid 60%.
I am not sure how a 4th entrance in FlyJamaica would want to enter the market.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):

So here's the link, I cannot verify it's accuracy. It appears if true that it's a civil case, not a criminal one.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/10/23/51552.htm

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8181 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 105):

My goodness this does not sound good and now we know where he is getting the money from the keep the airline alive?

If this is true and it goes to court then there is serious problems ahead for him and the pax of the airline with future bookings.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8163 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 106):

I am concerned for the pax that are scheduled to fly on EZjet. I guess if the Plaintiffs win then assets will be seized and EZjet may be closed, unless it will be sold and proceeds used to repay.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 108, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 107):

I'm no lawyer, but I think it will get worse since they may also bring fraud charges against him and tie up all of his assets including EZJet in order to recover monies owed to the plaintiff. If the IRS gets involved in this it will have some serious consequences as creditors will look to file claims against him.

The pax will no doubt suffer in the short and medium term as now his accounts may be locked and payments for fuel and a/c rentals will not be guaranteed.

The concern here is it is alleged he robbed Peter to pay for Ezjey in the sum of US$5.3m in a few months, which mean the cash burn rate for the airline of its size is huge and their business plan is highly flawed.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8114 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 108):

I agree with you. I am surprised the IRS didn't prosecute first, but they may hold the company liable, and then he is charged criminally for fraud. Weird that criminal charges weren't instituted before the civil matter began, unless the Grand Jury didn't buy it. One way or the other I don't see EZJet surviving much longer.

What was he thinking??? Who steals to then turn around and sink all in an airline???


GUYAIR707


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 105):
So here's the link, I cannot verify it's accuracy. It appears if true that it's a civil case, not a criminal one.
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 109):
What was he thinking??? Who steals to then turn around and sink all in an airline???

Very very startling developments. But, one can say that this EZjet outfit was beginning to look fishy once they announced their intentions to do regional flights with Avro RJs....completely ludicrous. Honestly, let him feel the full brunt of the law if these ALLEGED charges are indeed true. It's people like this that give their country and by extent, the region, a bad rapport.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 110):

They're flooding the facebook with annoucements! local manager to be temporary CEO.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

Dutch Antilles Express just anounced on their facebook page!


Starting from Nov 16th DAILY flights to PBM! from CUR, possible to conect to 6 destinations according to them!

more competition for PY and Insel! 

On the ad they've added a fokker-100, are they flying them once again? they were flying md's and atr's right?


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 7910 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 104):

Ezjet entered the market failing to understand that competitors will respond. Yes people were upset with Delta's high fares on the JFK GEO. Yes many people had bad experiences at POS using BW. So Delta and BW cut fares and BW FINALLY introduced nonstops. Problem solved.I guess Ezjet deserves credit for this.


Now let us hope that CAL keeps its nonstops, even if Ez goes belly up, as they are popular.PY is waiting in the wings, if they get their 767s, so CAL needs to be aware of this. PYs MIA GEO route seems to be going well so they are building up their profile in the GEO market.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 105):

Well people did wonder where Ramdeo got the money from, given that his career doesnt suggest wealth.Now we know. Too bad some people who booked fore Xmas will now have to fight to get their money back. Can imagine teh stampede. Lucky that BW has a healthy schedule out of YYZ, when one considers that Westjet will be beginning service, so should be able to accommodate them.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 111):

I hope she is capable, wasn't too impressed with what I have seen till now in the media.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 110):

Unbelievable. I hope he is able to clear his name, if not, well he deserves whatever he gets.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 113):

Yeah the sad part is the pax that will suffer. GOG will have to get a better way of vetting airline owners. The GOG has $200k US$ to cover anyone stranded, deposited by EZJet. For now they are still running...

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (1 year 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 112):

Ok maybe you or A388 can say, but is there a demand for 3 airlines on that 1 route more so the the number of seats allocated? Is this sustainable?


Quoting BW424 (Reply 110):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 113):
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 114):

I agree with you guys on this. People like him give West Indians a bad rep and as was asked, who steals money and sinks it all in an airline?

But as I mentioned before, when creditors get a hold of all this they would be demanding to get their dues upfront, and create problems for the pax.

If we are to believe this then EZJet is done
EZ Jet flight to Toronto grounded; creditor owed millions USD

Quote:
"Georgetown, Guyana: An EZ Jet flight bound for Toronto with a paltry 11 passengers has been held at the airport because of a nonpayment of $10M – $15M for fuel. Reports from our contacts at the CJIA indicate that the EZ Jet company owes Chevron-Texaco rebranded Rubis West Indies millions. Creditors are becoming nervous because of the recent lawsuit against the former CEO Sonny Ramdeo and the EZ Jet company.Reports from WEST PALM BEACH (Court House News Service) indicate that a hospital chain claims in court that its payroll manager Sonny Ramdeo and his two companies embezzled US$5.4 million from it and creditors are beginning to get nervous that their bills will go unpaid.The EZ Jet flight was scheduled to leave at 3 pm and by 7:50pm was still on the ground at CJIA. Insiders who wish to remain nameless indicate that a flight to Toronto incurs costs of more than $80,000 USD. That EZ Jet is flying with 11 passengers who each paid up to $800 USD round trip for total trip revenue of $8800 indicates that the airline is running at a significant loss. EZ Jet’s desperation is reflected in its recent ‘all you can fly’ specials which allows passengers to fly as often as they wish within a 1 month period for a flat rate.
http://waltieainsworth.wordpress.com...ounded-creditor-owed-millions-usd/

EZJet has denied the report and said that they cancelled the flight due to low loads last week, but did not deny they owed their creditors sums of monies.

Their month fare pass has also attracted attention from aviation experts, who like us have said it is quite unusual for any airline to do it and suggest an even greater problem with their cash flow.

Well the pax this Christmas are in for a rough season when creditors come knocking.

[Edited 2012-10-26 06:01:22]


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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 116, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 7671 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 115):
Ok maybe you or A388 can say, but is there a demand for 3 airlines on that 1 route more so the the number of seats allocated? Is this sustainable?

I don't think there is enough demand. DAE is competing heavily against Insel Air so let's see who will turn out the winner. They have a fleet of 1 ATR42, 3 Fokker 100's and 1 MD80 (a second one to come), all of which are flying. Insel Air has 2 Fokker 50's, 2 EMB110's and 5 MD80's, all flying. For a small island such as Curacao, this is very impressive. Let's see how this all will play out.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 7669 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 115):

After all the reports, let's see what happens, but sad to see another caribbean airlines going down! if they do end their services, once again BW and LI will laught and we'll cry after seing the "adjusted" prices!


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 12 months ago) and read 7646 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 116):

Ok thanks, because between Insel and Suriname have 3w flights and DAE has now daily, that can't be sustainable but we will see.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 117):

Well reality sets in in that this is a low yield region and a two or one a/c airline will not survive in this region, more so one that heavily competes with extremely low fares and chartering an a/c will face significant challenges. The truth is you have to grow economies of scale fast in this region or failure will be immanent.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 112):

Is there anough business out of PBM to destinations served by Dutch Antilles to justify a daily service? Insel will definitely be hurt but I can imagine some Surinamers might feel some level of loyalty to PY.

Is DAE trying to be too aggressive by expandingly rapidly, I guess in a race to outflank Insel Air?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 115):

Well BWs nonstop YYZ GEO service is off to a good start because any one now booking for Xmas will not be on Ez, not with Guyana's reputation for fly by nites.

The script has been written. This is like every other fly by nite before. Rumors of upset creditors, followed by the charter operators refusing to make planes available due to slow payment, with the crescendo being hysteria outside of the offices as anxious passengers demand a refund.

I have little sympathy for those who use Ez as GEO is well served by other carriers, and from the beginning many were skeptical as questions were raised as to where an ordinary hospital manager would be able to finance an airline, and his lack of experience in aviation.

With creditors unpaid, and the likelihood that Ezjet assets (limited as they are) might be encumbered so that the hospital can recou its losses, once they prove that stolen funds were spent on the airline, I cant imagine that any more credit will be extended. Unless their planes can fly without fuel and the charter operator will fly w/o being paid I suggest that Ezjet will be gone in a matter of days.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 119):
s there anough business out of PBM to destinations served by Dutch Antilles to justify a daily service? Insel will definitely be hurt but I can imagine some Surinamers might feel some level of loyalty to PY.

Is DAE trying to be too aggressive by expandingly rapidly, I guess in a race to outflank Insel Air?

Surinameses may be loyal to PY but PY's flight to CUR stops in POS, so I don't know if they'll take that into account, unless the price is sweet!

But for the ones who know Dutch antilles, or fly them frequentely, they don't have a very good reputation as Insel has! and We've seing that before, they wanted to expand very fast.... had to downsize and now let's see once again where they're heading too!


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Since it hasn't been reported on this forum as yet,

Yesterday (26/10/12), CAL's latest ATR delivered, 9Y-TTD had an exterior engine panel come off after rotation while operating BW 300 to CCS. The flight crew returned on a mayday call and landed safely back at POS. Aircraft is now in CAL's hangar under inspection.

Kudos to the entire crew of BW 300 on that day for handling the situation with great professionalism and proficiency.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-...ane-loses-panel-shortly-after-take

Quoting guyanam (Reply 119):
I have little sympathy for those who use Ez as GEO is well served by other carriers, and from the beginning many were skeptical as questions were raised as to where an ordinary hospital manager would be able to finance an airline, and his lack of experience in aviation.

My opinion is that healthy competition is very good; however, I do not consider a fly-by-night charter operation healthy...especially since the ex CEO always found it convenient to cast blame on its main indigenous competitor for whatever hardships it faced.

Anyway, EZjet's existence has prompted CAL to do what they might not have done; NA-GEO nonstops. I certainly hope that the nonstops have been a proven success and though some measure of consolidation from CAL is to be expected with the imminent demise of EZjet, let's pray that the nonstops are viable enough to warrant their permanent spot on the CAL schedule.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 86):
Ever tried a Canadian visa? I already filled like 6 or 7 forms, my application looks like a book LOL!

Long going diplomatic spat I think - getting a visa for Brasil isn't any easier - I need to go there next month and it's about the same deal, so we're in this together sadly!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 89):
The wallets of tourists scream OUCH when they visit the Caribbean

Oh yes - and it wouldn't be as bad except the service levels generally are just simply not there (exceptions of course, but not predictable)

Quoting guyanam (Reply 89):
When this comes with wait staff too busy chatting on the phone and then acting a s if offended that service is being asked of them the wallet screams OUCH even louder

So true - can't their managers ban cell phones during work hours?

Any time one of my Caribbean coworkers returns from their first trip to Canada or the US, the thing they noticed is not the wide open spaces, sights, etc., but rather how weird it seemed to be smiled at, greeted, and efficiently served at so many different stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. I can assure you, it is not universal - but it does happen more often than not, if for no other reason than being helpful and cheerful is part of the job description...but in many cases it is that the service industry has a lot of really nice people that are proud of what they do.

One must be careful generalising, but the Caribbean could do a lot better if the frontline service and tourist employees were selected / trained / motivated to provide at least the perception of caring! (Really, they don't have to care, they just have to act like they do sometimes..it's actually not that difficult!). In my own experience the higher end service providers (restaurants and hotels) are typically better - but at a very high price. In the mid range locations, service often drops pretty quickly, and for someone used to pretty good and consistent service from a Denny's (popular diner chain) or Best Western Hotels, both chains definitetly in the mid-lower 'family' or 'working class' price points, it seems odd to spend 4 times the $$ and get half the service. 4 times the price might be justified on an island - but the service level is really hard to take. Being here is part of my job, so I deal with it, but it's hard to convince family and friends to vacation here unless they 'travellers' instead of tourists...and there are not really enough traveller's to make a living from in the Caribbean since they usually don't spend much, and interestingly it isn't 'exotic' enough anymore to be of interest to many of them.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 121):

Well PY has great ambitions of GEO JFK/YYZ nonstops. If BW drops out, especially the JFK nonstop, PY jumps in. They already seem to be doing well on the GEO MIA nonstop (based on some reports on this site) so the ;public will be familiar with them.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 120):

I think that PY has improved since they replaced their ageing MD83/747 planes witrh less ancient jets, and have two 737s. Maybe Dutch Antilleans have the same prejudices towards Suriname as do many in Trinidad and Barbados have towards Guyana. These large and densely forested nations, filled with wild animals can be intimidating, and of course both nations have had a troubled political past, and even today are probably less stable than their island counterparts.

Others who know more about PBM can comment, but I never get the impression that Suriname is integrated into the rest of The Americas, having very close ties to the Netherlands, and very weak to every one else, including the nearby Caribbean and the USA. I suspect that travel by Brazilians accounts for the success of the BEL route. I d o not know how many Caribbean people (aside from Guyanese traveling overland) visit Suriname. So thats why I wonder why the haste by DAE. Is Insel Air so successful into PBM?

Quoting BE77 (Reply 122):

Some one who visited SKB and began to realize that the poor service, wasnt becaus ethe locals were rude, but didnt know better (they noted that in dealing with people in a NON service capacity the locals were very friendly and helpful). What is needed is more exposure of the locals. Better training. And weeding out of those who dont get the point that people who spend money expect service.

You are quite correct that at the upper level in the islands with more experience in tourism service is better because the locals understand that this is what is expected. At lower levels, and especially in arenas where most of the customers are local, things can get amazingly bad. But if people think that service=servile. Feel that rudeness/indifference from customers must be matched by equal behavior (the customer is never right in the Caribbean) then problems occur. What is needed is training of workers to deflect indifferent/rude behavior from those tourists so inclined (yes it does go BOTH ways). Not to carry attitudes developed from such encounters to other tourists who arent so inclined.

Also there is a cultural reality. To a Caribbean person, who tends to be more spontaneous and wwrm (usually), the brusk and direct attitude of so many North Americans (no good morning, how are you) can seem rude, or even intimidating to those who fear that they lose their job if the tourists "tells lies on them".


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 123):
Maybe Dutch Antilleans have the same prejudices towards Suriname as do many in Trinidad and Barbados have towards Guyana

I did my personal research, I asked my CARICOM friends: "Which CARICOM national even the caribbean countries that are not CARICOM, which do you hate most and why?" Guess the answer? Guyanese! and the same Portugal to Brazil Answer: "They come and stay illegal and get our jobs etc..." I believe Guyana has everything to be much wealthier than these islands!

PS- Bajans were chosen by them as the "rudest ones" LOL.... and Jamaicans the "nicest ones!"

Quoting guyanam (Reply 123):
having very close ties to the Netherlands, and very weak to every one else, including the nearby Caribbean and the USA.

That's correct, but this "link" is falling apart, the current president of Suriname, Dési Bourtese, was convicted in Holland for 11 years due to drug smuggling and human rights abuse (back in the 80's he was dictator in Suriname), EUROPOL has issued arrest warrants for him, but he enjoys dimplomatic immunity due to his presidential term!

Because of that Holland has frozen all the (economic) "help" to Suriname!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 123):
Some one who visited SKB and began to realize that the poor service, wasnt becaus ethe locals were rude, but didnt know better (they noted that in dealing with people in a NON service capacity the locals were very friendly and helpful). What is needed is more exposure of the locals. Better training. And weeding out of those who dont get the point that people who spend money expect service.

EXACTLY! Once in SKB DOM SLU SVD I went local, and found them very friendly, but they were not trainned at all, so I could see they tried their best but they were lost! or clueless!

AUA CUR BON these islands do a very good job! they know tourism is vital to them, so they're always willing (even making phone calls to help you out)

ANU AXA BGI SXM it's more the "F*** it! are you going to buy it or not?' feeling!


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 123):
You are quite correct that at the upper level in the islands with more experience in tourism service is better because the locals understand that this is what is expected

This and the rest of your post works too...the reality is that the service providers really need to get themselves and their staff on the right page if they are going to be charging ever increasing prices for the service levels provided. If you get rude customers (whether intentional or culturally based) then keep smiling and embarass them into good behaviour (it can work), and definitely don't take it out on me when I walk up next (I'm normally a please / thanks friendly sort, even when I've been travelling all night - if only because it usually gets me further).

Speaking of the cultural thing - for my work, I have had to have all sorts of cultural sensitivity training over the years, for a whole pile of different cultures...all because I absolutely need to make sure that I fit into the stakeholder's situation wherever I am and regardless of how different it might seem to me (no beer at +45C in the Sahara seemed unreasonable but I dealt with it). I agree with your training comments - a few hours of training up front followed by a one hour refresher every now and then is all it would take to get the message accross - and it could be as simple as "a lot of those tourists are weird and have no life so they might seem rude so just smile and be nice anyway just to teach them how we do it''.
The Service / Servile thing is a tough one I know - lots of history and baggage of course, but it needs to be worked through if the service industry is going to bring the jobs. Right now no one is taking the flights to some of the islands because the value of being there (service) doesn't match the cost of the trip. Simple.

Part 2 of the cultural thing is in some places my local coworkers tell me not to worry about the crappy service since I'm not being discriminated against as a foreigner since it's the same for them (not all places have the warm happy thing happening).

If it is the Customer who is actually wrong (which happens, but not as often as some people seem to think) - then tell them they are right anyway and apologise and ask them how you can make it up - or offer them something extra that is pre-planned - often it can be done for a few $ like give them a drink coupon or something that cost you little but shows a bit of caring (depends on the airline, but AC doesn't advertise it but almost always comp's the first drink when a flight is delayed even if not AC's fault).
It does take training and understanding by the owners, managers, and staff, but it's really not 'hard' to do a lot of this stuff, and it really works. It's not like people don't have a choice...they do - maybe not today, but certainly next year.

Bottom line - as soon as the perception is there that a place is too expensive for what you get, then people stop going, and if people stop going then the flights stop, and if the flights stop we don't have anything to discuss except the good old days...or I guess we talk about the flights going to all those other places where the value is perceived to fit the price.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 126, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 120):
Surinameses may be loyal to PY but PY's flight to CUR stops in POS, so I don't know if they'll take that into account, unless the price is sweet!

But for the ones who know Dutch antilles, or fly them frequentely, they don't have a very good reputation as Insel has! and We've seing that before, they wanted to expand very fast.... had to downsize and now let's see once again where they're heading too!

Andrefranca, this is all nonsense. Surinamese are very loyal to their own airline and their flights to Curacao are full of Surinamese and Trinidad citizens (50% each). I also don't know where you get this PY has a bad reputation in the Dutch Antilles because that is also nonsense. They arrive and depart on time every time and their inflight service is good. Everybody I know who travels PY has good things to tell about them.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 126):

Are you still sleeping? LOL PY? if you READ my post again, I did write Dutch Antilles (Express) which are rarely on time (5 flights all delayed, against 3 with Insel all on time)...

Quoting A388 (Reply 126):
But for the ones who know Dutch antilles, or fly them frequentely, they don't have a very good reputation as Insel has! and We've seing that before, they wanted to expand very fast.... had to downsize and now let's see once again where they're heading too!


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 128, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 127):
Are you still sleeping?

You should be clear, Dutch Antilles isn't an airline, those are islands. Be clear. Why use IATA codes for PY and not 9H and 7I or don't you know the IATA Codes? Or do you call Surinam Airways just "Surinam". That's very clear...

Even if "Dutch Antilles" has a bad reputation, that is also nonsense. "Insel" also has a similar reputation. Both airlines perform equally. So yes, your bad reputation is still nonsense.

A388

[Edited 2012-10-29 07:50:48]

User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 126):
They arrive and depart on time every time and their inflight service is good.

Well, their on time performance is OK, but not quite every time - in my own experience this year they are about on par with BW and 7I, which is to say each has got me somewhere late twice, and each has cancelled a flight completly on me once.
Percentage wise, BW comes out a little bit ahead (about 3/25 flights), vs about 3/10 flights for 7I and 3/10 for PY.
In their favour, PY has rescued me from BW fails twice, and 7I rescued me on an epic, world class BW fail.
Also, when 7I fails the hotel in Curacao is on my list of good places to be stuck.

On board service on all 3 is usually about the same, with 7I maybe a touch better, but at least neither 7I or PY serve you the BW fish sandwich (of course that is an personal opinion, but my informal non-scientific polling indicates that the BW fish sandwich is a contender for the worst on board item in the western hemisphere).



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 129):

Everytime someone says something not so gentle about DAE, A388 gets hurt, I think he may work for them or be close friend to them! I'm afraid I'll need to fly DAE next year if 7I is not avaiable of course!


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 131, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 130):
Everytime someone says something not so gentle about DAE, A388 gets hurt, I think he may work for them or be close friend to them! I'm afraid I'll need to fly DAE next year if 7I is not avaiable of course!

Andrefranca, I work at the airport and see the on-time performance of all airlines flying to/from the airport. You now have the confirmation from someone other then me about both airlines which is the same thing I said. Both airlines perform similarly.

If you will see my profile here you will see I don't work for an airline. If you really want to know, check with DAE if I work for them. Go do that, check with them. Otherwise be mature.

A388

[Edited 2012-10-30 06:33:24]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 132, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 127):
I did write Dutch Antilles (Express) which are rarely on time (5 flights all delayed, against 3 with Insel all on time)...
Quoting A388 (Reply 128):
Even if "Dutch Antilles" has a bad reputation, that is also nonsense. "Insel" also has a similar reputation. Both airlines perform equally. So yes, your bad reputation is still nonsense.
Quoting A388 (Reply 131):
You now have the confirmation from someone about both airlines which is the same thing I said. Both airlines perform similarly.

well both airlines are poor no doubt, just back from a trip CCS-CUR-CCS and DAE, the return flight was good and on time, but the CCS-CUR was delayed 3 hours... but hey Insel Air flight this day was delayed 11 hours...

cheers
Avianca



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 133, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 132):
well both airlines are poor no doubt

They both have their ups and downs yes, but I wouldn't say that they are poor performers. In the same way I have seen all three Insel Air MD80 outgoing flights being delayed but this doesn't happen very often. So again, what Andrefranca claims, isn't true as both airlines perform similarly.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6219 posts, RR: 2
Reply 134, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 131):
If you will see my profile here you will see I don't work for an airline. If you really want to know, check with DAE if I work for them. Go do that, check with them. Otherwise be mature.

To be fair, I know a bunch of people that work in airlines (even one EVP) of airlines that post on a.net and none of them have that they work for an airline on the profiles.

Not saying you do, just thought I would point that out.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 135, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 134):
To be fair, I know a bunch of people that work in airlines (even one EVP) of airlines that post on a.net and none of them have that they work for an airline on the profiles.

Not saying you do, just thought I would point that out.

In other words, you don't trust my post either. Again, does any of you (Yellowtail/Andrefranca/anybody else?) think I work for DAE or any other airline? Call them, check it and get back to me when you have the answer. I'm curious to know myself too.

A388


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Well as stated in my previous post FlyMontserrat has managed to find its way back into the air and will resume flights as of tomorrow:

Quote:
Following the successful in-depth audit of FlyMontserrat, the Airline will be operating its normal schedule again from tomorrow (31st October).FlyMontserrat had a clean audit in August 2012 and again following the latest four-day audit of both maintenance and operations. The UK Regulator reported that no significant safety concerns have been identified.The Airline wishes to reassure its customers that safety has always been its number one priority.

Source: http://www.mnialive.com/lifestyle/is...e-all-clear-to-resume-flights.html



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 136):

I believe their service is vital the MNI right? well If I really make it to MNI next year, I'll give it a try!  


To A388, not necessary to spend skype credits doing such a thing! we were just wondering!


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 138, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 137):
To A388, not necessary to spend skype credits doing such a thing! we were just wondering!

You were saying that I might be friends with them so you were not only wondering, but actually thinking that I was. But okay let's leave it to this. It is now clear that both DAE and Insel Air perform similarly.

A388


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 139, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Hello all, I have a few more photos in the database. View them in below links:



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 140, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

btw I am wondering how Arkefly is performing out of CUR. the last 2 times I was in CUR the flight was heavly delayed by minimum 5 hours.


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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 141, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 140):
btw I am wondering how Arkefly is performing out of CUR. the last 2 times I was in CUR the flight was heavly delayed by minimum 5 hours.

Those flights are doing fine too. The big delays as you have experienced don't happen often. As they now have slightly younger 767's in their fleet (the ones with winglets) their on-time performance has improved well.

A388


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6291 times:
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Just picked this story up on Cayman News Service website: cnsbusiness.com:


(CNS Business): During his recent trip to Asia the Cayman Islands premier signed an MOU with a major conglomerate in the Philippines. Although government has not yet released the details of the deal with the San Miguel Corporation (SMC), a food corporation and majority shareholder in Philippine Airlines, it is understood to involve investment into Cayman Airways Limited (CAL). McKeeva Bush signed the deal when he was in Manila, which sources say could involve efforts by the Cayman government to assist the firm’s airline to expand its flights into the United States. However, this may be blocked by the FCO because of problems regarding safety standards in the country.

Alongside an investment in Cayman Airways and a possible involvement in the development of local airports, including the one in Little Cayman, the premier has reportedly described the MOU as presenting an opportunity for the Cayman Islands government to explore various investment opportunities with the Asian corporation that will be “mutually beneficial”.

At this stage very few details of those “opportunities” or the basis of the memorandum of understanding have been revealed. Nevertheless, Bush’s office did release a picture of the premier signing the deal with SMC’s president, Ramon S Ang, on Bush’s Twitter account.

Despite the possibilities that may or may not arise regarding investment with the Asian firm, sources close to the deal tell CNS Business that there are already some concerns regarding the possible areas of discussion. Questions have been raised about the potential investment in CAL by any outside operation, but it is the offer of assistance to Philippine Airlines Limited (PAL) by the Cayman government that may prove to be the sticking point for the deal to move forward.

PAL has been listed by the US aviation authorities as a category two airline for some five years and has been blacklisted by European airports. This has prevented the airline from expanding its flights into North America or Europe due to concerns over safety standards in Manila, which impacts all air carriers from the Philippines. It is understood that the talks between the Cayman government and the San Miguel Group have involved the possibility of Cayman assisting the airline to get around this issue, which is preventing the airline’s expansion.

It is understood, however, that the US authorities would object to any attempts to circumvent its rules regarding safety standards and has already lobbied the UK to ensure that it does not allow any of its overseas territories to circumvent important safeguards.

Bush is expected to reveal the details of the MOU along with other details of his recent trip to Asia when the Legislative Assembly returns on Monday.


This is the first public acknowledgement of the MOU. While the article is short on specifics, it is widely rumoured that the deal involves placing a number of B777-300's on KX operating certificate and basing them in GCM. they would be painted in KX colours and crewed by KX staff.

I have no idea if this will/could come to fruition, but we are entering into an election year, so anything is possible.

BTW, when the article mentions the FCO, they are referring to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 143, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting N312RM (Reply 142):
This is the first public acknowledgement of the MOU. While the article is short on specifics, it is widely rumoured that the deal involves placing a number of B777-300's on KX operating certificate and basing them in GCM. they would be painted in KX colours and crewed by KX staff.

I think I can say with 99.99% accuracy that those 77W's will never reach GCM. PR needs these aircraft in the Philippines for expansion. Basing 777's in GCM, I mean really? Basing them there doing what?

A388


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 144, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

Hello guys, one of my photos is on the frontpage again. See it in below link:



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9896 posts, RR: 15
Reply 145, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

My latest photo added features my window view on my Avianca flight to Bogota at sunset. See the photo by clicking on below link:



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 146, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 137):
I believe their service is vital the MNI right? well If I really make it to MNI next year, I'll give it a try!  

Well there are people with that belief, for me, not so much...(I prefer to fly the competition i.e. SVG air) They are used for medivacs though, so I guess that is vital to Montserrat. The one thing I wish they would do is to fly somewhere else other than ANU for scheduled ops. They 'supposedly' have a flight to NEV which was pretty much nonexistent when I was there in the summer. I know they have charters and whatnot to other islands, but I think it would be nice if they would open up some routes to the nearby islands. I think they put too much focus on ANU and pretty much neglect the other islands, though I do understand the focus on ANU and im sure many here would too, but I think FlyMontserrat is missing a trick.



Quoting A388 (Reply 139):
Quoting A388 (Reply 144):

Great photos A388! Im planning to buy a camera as a Christmas gift to myself  Though, I think it will be used more for my trip reports than trying to add photos to the a.net database.

Quoting N312RM (Reply 142):
This is the first public acknowledgement of the MOU. While the article is short on specifics, it is widely rumoured that the deal involves placing a number of B777-300's on KX operating certificate and basing them in GCM. they would be painted in KX colours and crewed by KX staff.

While I understand the story from your post, I dont see how KX is going to help them, because first of all Where would they fly them? Plus can GCM handle the 77W? I know it should be able to land and take off restricted but does the ramp have space to accommodate it, or more than one even?



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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Hope your members in NYC area are all ok after the hurricane.

CAL is said to be going to use an Omni 777 to help with the heavy backlog of pax stranded in POS and JFK.

The airline will also deploy its 763 to YYZ from Saturday as BW610/611.

LIAT confirms death of passenger on board its aircraft
"Regional airline LIAT on Thursday November 1, 2012 confirmed the death of a male passenger on one of its aircraft.
Corporate Communications Specialist Desmond Brown said the unfortunate event occurred Wednesday afternoon on flight LI 726 from Trinidad to St. Vincent.
“On arrival at the E.T. Joshua Airport it was observed that passenger was not responding. The Emergency Medical Services were called and after a medical examination the passenger was pronounced dead by local medical authorities.”
Mr. Brown said the authorities are continuing their investigation to determine the cause of death.
The Management of LIAT extends its deepest condolences to the family and friends of the deceased
The affected passengers were accommodated on other LIAT services."
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/passenger-dies-on-liat/



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

AATT chairman: Piarco, ANR Airports to undergo major upgrade

"Declaring that the Piarco International Airport (PIA) was inadequately designed, Gerald Hadeed, chairman, Airports Authority of T&T (AATT), said there is need for the PIA and the ANR Robinson airport to be upgraded and extended. Hadeed, who received his instruments of appointment in January 2012, said the airport at Piarco was never designed as an international one.

“It (the airport) was designed as a national airport in the United States; it doesn’t have a lot of facilities, unfortunately. I would consider it to be an airport that is inadequately designed for an international airport. What we are doing now is, we are reconfigurating quite a bit of the airport to get it to appear to be international,” Hadeed said.

The transformation exercise includes having proper arrangements in place for in-transit passengers, especially passengers from Guyana. Hadeed said the new in-transit system is working quite “satisfactorily.” “They (the Guyanese passengers) are the ones who have to deplane and because of the AATT regulation, we have to re-screen them before they go back onto the aircraft. That is international procedure.”

An estate development project is being done, Hadeed said, and would be called the North Aviation Business Park. “All the infrastructure is in place already, which would include: power, water and telecommunication. We are marketing the North Aviation Business Park at the present time internationally, and we’ve had a lot of enquiries from people wanting to set up businesses at Piarco to service South and Central America. We should be completing that in another two or three months,” he said."

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business-g...0%88airports-undergo-major-upgrade

Hmmm....don't these plans sound familiar. Seems this chairman simply dusted off the masterplans from 2009/2010 and is now presenting them. Either way, I'm glad these are moving forward. My issue is whether these strategic developmental plans that have been ADOPTED will be proceeded with in the national interest. The track record of the present GORTT isn't too credible.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 147):
The airline will also deploy its 763 to YYZ from Saturday as BW610/611.

Finally some visible progress.

Quoting A388 (Reply 144):

Great pics as always!



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 2
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