leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4361 times:
After adding Abidjan, Kinshasa, Djibouti, Sharm-el-Sheikh, Hurghada, Sebha and Nouakchott in Africa all this year, TK is now starting Kilimanjaro and mombasa on a triangular routing.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2167 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4107 times:
Another carrier smart enough to tap into the Arusha airport. JRO is the gateway to climbing Kilimanjaro, and Mombasa a terrific resort place. When booking Mt Climbing groups all the time to Kilimanjaro, Mombasa was the number one requested side trip, before or after their climbs. If TK can carry local and/or conditional traffic on the JRO-MBA part, they could get quite a viable run going. Hope it connects well with US, Asia and European departures. The yields are high in this market, and KL (the only real other competition) runs triangle through DAR. Is TK poised to be the next EK?
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!
Also interesting as both are *A carriers and competing heavily, surprised TK don't do Codeshare via ADD?
lukeyboy95 From Papua New Guinea, joined Apr 2008, 951 posts, RR: 35 Reply 3, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4001 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter): After adding Abidjan, Kinshasa, Djibouti, Sharm-el-Sheikh, Hurghada, Sebha and Nouakchott in Africa all this year, TK is now starting Kilimanjaro and mombasa on a triangular routing.
That is an amazing amount of routes to open up, and TK should be well poised for African economic growth.
The Kilimanjaro route will mostly be fairly affluent leisure PAX, and nice to give QR some competition. QR and TK's business models seem to get closer every day.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 325 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
Quoting 757ops (Reply 2): Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!
It seems RWA380 is writing from Portland, Oregon. Here is the competition between ET vs KL on PDX-JRO:
Ethiopian: (UA & ET metal, no codeshare ET and UA, so multiple carrier fare)
- PDX-IAD on UA (19 hours connection time, depart next day) IAD-ADD-JRO on ET - daily = 40 hours
- JRO-ADD-FCO-IAD on ET (10 hours connecting time) IAD-PDX on UA = 34 hr 45 min
KLM: (DL & KL metal, but KL flight number for entire journey)
Thanks for starting this thread.
TK announced couple of years back that they wanted to double the number of airports served in Africa from 17 to 35. It sounded a bit ambitious at the time.
Now, 8 of the 15 739ERs ordered joined the fleet, this goal seems lot closer.
With 16J/135Y these jets were ordered for the African expansion, with extra fuel tanks fitted for the long missions.
These flights might not be all money makers but offer connections at IST.
Also these flights help Turkish businessmen to search for new markets where there are less or no visa requirements.
By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Mogadishu
Kigali
Niamey
Ougadougou
Douale
Yaunde
Aden
Libreville
Male
.....
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 390 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3725 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 5): By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Mogadishu
Kigali
Niamey
Ougadougou
Douale
Yaunde
Aden
Libreville
Male
.....
Yes, a map would be great. Thanks in advance (whoever does it)!
BTW, Male is considered Asia. In fact, Maldives is part of the SAARC (South Asian Association of Regional Cooperation) .... India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and Maldives.
TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1408 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3726 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 5): By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Here's the complete list from TK website:
Abidjan
Accra
Addis Ababa
Alexandria
Algiers
Benghazi
Cape Town,Cairo
Casablanca
Dakar
Dar es Salaam
Djibouti
Entebbe
Hurghada
Johannesburg
Juba
Khartoum
Kigali
Kilimanjaro
Kinshasa
Lagos
Lusaka
Misrata
Mogadishou
Mombassa
Nairobi
Nouackchott
Sebha
Sharm el Sheikh
Tripoli
Tunis
These seem to be the flights currently operating or has been announced recently. N'djamena, Lusaka and Douala are also listed in the website but no flight details yet. I also seem to remember Ouagadougou but no details on the website either.
TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1408 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 8): Thanks again, I kinda remember you've corrected on this once, on an earlier thread. This getting old thing sucks.
At least you remember that I corrected this before.. I do not remember that either... Guess I am getting old too
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5194 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
Whats the fight time on IST-JRO....seems like it will be taking the 900ER right to the edge of its viable performance range
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Anyone know the actual range of TK 739ERs with the fitted extra fuel tanks?
It seems like they go through modifications for months with these tanks, what is the range increase with the added tanks?
eta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2010 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3086 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1): Is TK poised to be the next EK?
They already are, but are flying under the radar so to speak. I think once all the 739's are delivered and the expansion complete we'll see a different TK approach in marketing/publicity instead of being the wallflower they are now- it's almost as if it's intentional trying not to be noticed.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2687 times:
You can add Maputo to the future list.
Turkey and Mozambique two weeks ago signed their first bilateral. Allows for 3x weekly service on each side. LAM apparently will also code-share with TK as its no longer allowed to serve Europe directly itself.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2167 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
Quoting factsonly (Reply 4): It seems RWA380 is writing from Portland, Oregon. Here is the competition between ET vs KL on PDX-JRO:
Ethiopian: (UA & ET metal, no codeshare ET and UA, so multiple carrier fare)
- PDX-IAD on UA (19 hours connection time, depart next day) IAD-ADD-JRO on ET - daily = 40 hours
- JRO-ADD-FCO-IAD on ET (10 hours connecting time) IAD-PDX on UA = 34 hr 45 min
KLM: (DL & KL metal, but KL flight number for entire journey)
KL offers multiple daily flights PDX-JRO v.v. over other US hubs that are still faster than ET.
Thank you factsonly, yes this is correct, I was only thinking of connections from the US market. Having booked travel for years for one of the largest Mountain Climbing companies in the country, we booked a lot of JRO tickets, 99% on KL/NW and for the few odd flights we booked KQ via AMS and NBO. KL makes the connections very easy to the US market. ET involves long layovers, even from IAD. If KQ flew to JFK on their 777's I'd expect KQ to be easier than KL.
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
AsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
They are negotiating with Nigeria's government to allow them fly to Kano in the north of the country. KLM recently pulled out of Kano after decades of service, TK would surely fill a vacuum left by the Dutch carrier, as well as provide connections to the Middle East.
Turkish operates three daily flights from IST to CAI, departures at 00:25/ 06:45/ 18:05. I guess that flights TK 8060 and TK8062 are codeshares on Egyptair's flights.
25 AirGabon: Yes, AF recently tried to operate Port Gentil (POG) the oil capital of Gabon and was in talks with the Gabonese CAA to launch A319LR DEdicate service
26 turkishsky: and NKC is not there... However, a few destinations that are not part of the network appear: LUN, JUB
27 ASA: My mistake, guys ... will update the destinations and the triangular routings as soon as I have the info. Thanks for the patience
28 leftyboarder: IST-DKR-NKC-IST IST-ACC-ABJ-ACC-IST IST-JIB-MGQ-JIB-IST IST-JNB-CPT-JNB-IST IST-JRO-MBA-IST I think that's all of the triangular routings; JUB hasn't
30 ASA: Thanks, guys ... for the help. I added/deleted destinations/routes based on your feedbacks. Also, I compiled the list of "potential" destinations base
31 leftyboarder: Great work, many thanks! I for one know how hard it is 'cause I once did a separate map for each continent of potential TK destinations... can't seem
32 Turkish350XWB: Great job, ASA, thank you ! Maybe Brazzaville could also be a future destination, Port Harcourt as well.
33 ETinCaribe: TK is a shooting star. It is riding the Ottoman invasion of Africa as Turkish companies are even outdoing Chinese ones on the continent. They are corn
34 turkishsky: Good work. well done. Guys in TK should take a look at this and replace it with the route map on their website. Current one is a joke...
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