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TK Starts Kilimanjaro/ Mombasa  
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

After adding Abidjan, Kinshasa, Djibouti, Sharm-el-Sheikh, Hurghada, Sebha and Nouakchott in Africa all this year, TK is now starting Kilimanjaro and mombasa on a triangular routing.

The flights are 5 weekly on a 737-900ER.

The schedule:

TK673 IST1810 – 0155+1JRO0255+1 – 0355+1MBA0500+1 – 1045+1IST 739 x35

And source - its already on their online timetable:

http://www4.thy.com/timetable/valida...hXFLxp9vdhyjgSVPbLL92w2!-837539475

34 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Another carrier smart enough to tap into the Arusha airport. JRO is the gateway to climbing Kilimanjaro, and Mombasa a terrific resort place. When booking Mt Climbing groups all the time to Kilimanjaro, Mombasa was the number one requested side trip, before or after their climbs. If TK can carry local and/or conditional traffic on the JRO-MBA part, they could get quite a viable run going. Hope it connects well with US, Asia and European departures. The yields are high in this market, and KL (the only real other competition) runs triangle through DAR. Is TK poised to be the next EK?


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User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!

Also interesting as both are *A carriers and competing heavily, surprised TK don't do Codeshare via ADD?


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1092 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
After adding Abidjan, Kinshasa, Djibouti, Sharm-el-Sheikh, Hurghada, Sebha and Nouakchott in Africa all this year, TK is now starting Kilimanjaro and mombasa on a triangular routing.

That is an amazing amount of routes to open up, and TK should be well poised for African economic growth.

The Kilimanjaro route will mostly be fairly affluent leisure PAX, and nice to give QR some competition. QR and TK's business models seem to get closer every day.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting 757ops (Reply 2):
Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!

It seems RWA380 is writing from Portland, Oregon. Here is the competition between ET vs KL on PDX-JRO:

Ethiopian: (UA & ET metal, no codeshare ET and UA, so multiple carrier fare)

- PDX-IAD on UA (19 hours connection time, depart next day) IAD-ADD-JRO on ET - daily = 40 hours
- JRO-ADD-FCO-IAD on ET (10 hours connecting time) IAD-PDX on UA = 34 hr 45 min


KLM: (DL & KL metal, but KL flight number for entire journey)

- PDX-AMS-JRO - 5x/week = 20 hr 25 min.
- JRO-AMS-PDX - 5x/week (a/c routing JRO-DAR-AMS-PDX) daily = 24 hr 35 min.

KL offers multiple daily flights PDX-JRO v.v. over other US hubs that are still faster than ET.


schedules are for 17 Dec 2012 both ways.

[Edited 2012-09-30 05:39:26]

[Edited 2012-09-30 05:41:21]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):

Thanks for starting this thread.
TK announced couple of years back that they wanted to double the number of airports served in Africa from 17 to 35. It sounded a bit ambitious at the time.
Now, 8 of the 15 739ERs ordered joined the fleet, this goal seems lot closer.
With 16J/135Y these jets were ordered for the African expansion, with extra fuel tanks fitted for the long missions.
These flights might not be all money makers but offer connections at IST.
Also these flights help Turkish businessmen to search for new markets where there are less or no visa requirements.

By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Mogadishu
Kigali
Niamey
Ougadougou
Douale
Yaunde
Aden
Libreville
Male
.....


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Mogadishu
Kigali
Niamey
Ougadougou
Douale
Yaunde
Aden
Libreville
Male
.....

Yes, a map would be great. Thanks in advance (whoever does it)!

BTW, Male is considered Asia. In fact, Maldives is part of the SAARC (South Asian Association of Regional Cooperation) .... India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and Maldives.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:

Here's the complete list from TK website:

Abidjan
Accra
Addis Ababa
Alexandria
Algiers
Benghazi
Cape Town,Cairo
Casablanca
Dakar
Dar es Salaam
Djibouti
Entebbe
Hurghada
Johannesburg
Juba
Khartoum
Kigali
Kilimanjaro
Kinshasa
Lagos
Lusaka
Misrata
Mogadishou
Mombassa
Nairobi
Nouackchott
Sebha
Sharm el Sheikh
Tripoli
Tunis

These seem to be the flights currently operating or has been announced recently. N'djamena, Lusaka and Douala are also listed in the website but no flight details yet. I also seem to remember Ouagadougou but no details on the website either.

P.S: Male and Aden are in Asia, not Africa



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 7):
P.S: Male and Aden are in Asia, not Africa

Thanks again, I kinda remember you've corrected on this once, on an earlier thread. This getting old thing sucks.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

TK's African expansion ...



User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
This getting old thing sucks.

lol we are all getting there  


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Thanks again, I kinda remember you've corrected on this once, on an earlier thread. This getting old thing sucks.

At least you remember that I corrected this before.. I do not remember that either... Guess I am getting old too  
Quoting ASA (Reply 9):
TK's African expansion

Is there any (non-African) airline with so much presence in Africa?



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Whats the fight time on IST-JRO....seems like it will be taking the 900ER right to the edge of its viable performance range


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Thanks for the map ASA,

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 11):
Is there any (non-African) airline with so much presence in Africa?

I can imagine KL or AF, maybe LH with all its other subsidies.

UPDATED LIST:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 7):

Abidjan
Accra
Addis Ababa
Alexandria
Algiers
Benghazi
Cape Town
Cairo
Casablanca
Dakar
Dar es Salaam
Djibouti
Entebbe
Hurghada
Johannesburg
Juba
Khartoum
Kigali
Kilimanjaro
Kinshasa
Lagos
Lusaka
Misrata
Mogadishou
Mombassa
Nairobi
Nouackchott
Sebha
Sharm el Sheikh
Tripoli
Tunis

Plus....

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 7):
N'djamena, Douala and Ouagadougou

Plus....( I remember the intentions to serve to)
Abuja
Niamey
Asmera
Libreville
Yaunde


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):

Anyone know the actual range of TK 739ERs with the fitted extra fuel tanks?
It seems like they go through modifications for months with these tanks, what is the range increase with the added tanks?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):

You're welcome  
Quoting ASA (Reply 9):

I think the actual map is less crowded due to triangular routings and one stops but still impressive.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 11):
Is there any (non-African) airline with so much presence in Africa?

Yes, AF, mostly West and Central Africa:
Nouakchott, Dakar, Conakry, Monrovia, Freetown, Abidjan, Bamako, Ouagdougou, Niamey, Cotonou, Lome, Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt, Douala, Yaounde, Bangui, N'Djamena, Libreville, Malabo, Brazzaville, Kinshasa, Pointe Noire, Luanda, Djibouti, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Antannarivo, Mauritius, Casablanca, Tunis, Algiers, Saint Denis (Reunion), Cairo.

KL, mostly East Africa:
Nairobi, Khartoum, Entebbe, Kigali, Lusaka, Dar Es Salaam, Nairobi, Harare, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Accra, Lagos, Cairo, Addis Abeba


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Is TK poised to be the next EK?

They already are, but are flying under the radar so to speak. I think once all the 739's are delivered and the expansion complete we'll see a different TK approach in marketing/publicity instead of being the wallflower they are now- it's almost as if it's intentional trying not to be noticed.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 15):
I think the actual map is less crowded due to triangular routings and one stops but still impressive.

Ohhh - completely overlooked that! Can someone please mention the triangular routes so that I can correct the map? Thanks!

Regardless, it's a MASSIVE expansion, by any means ...   


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

You can add Maputo to the future list.

Turkey and Mozambique two weeks ago signed their first bilateral. Allows for 3x weekly service on each side. LAM apparently will also code-share with TK as its no longer allowed to serve Europe directly itself.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Let's not forget Libreville, Port Gentil, Durban... All explicitly mentioned in CAA negotiations with various states in Africa  

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 4):
It seems RWA380 is writing from Portland, Oregon. Here is the competition between ET vs KL on PDX-JRO:

Ethiopian: (UA & ET metal, no codeshare ET and UA, so multiple carrier fare)

- PDX-IAD on UA (19 hours connection time, depart next day) IAD-ADD-JRO on ET - daily = 40 hours
- JRO-ADD-FCO-IAD on ET (10 hours connecting time) IAD-PDX on UA = 34 hr 45 min


KLM: (DL & KL metal, but KL flight number for entire journey)

- PDX-AMS-JRO - 5x/week = 20 hr 25 min.
- JRO-AMS-PDX - 5x/week (a/c routing JRO-DAR-AMS-PDX) daily = 24 hr 35 min.

KL offers multiple daily flights PDX-JRO v.v. over other US hubs that are still faster than ET.

Thank you factsonly, yes this is correct, I was only thinking of connections from the US market. Having booked travel for years for one of the largest Mountain Climbing companies in the country, we booked a lot of JRO tickets, 99% on KL/NW and for the few odd flights we booked KQ via AMS and NBO. KL makes the connections very easy to the US market. ET involves long layovers, even from IAD. If KQ flew to JFK on their 777's I'd expect KQ to be easier than KL.



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User currently offlinedairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

a little bit off-topic, but: why isn't TK serving Cairo? Its not on the map...


A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
User currently offlineAsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

They are negotiating with Nigeria's government to allow them fly to Kano in the north of the country. KLM recently pulled out of Kano after decades of service, TK would surely fill a vacuum left by the Dutch carrier, as well as provide connections to the Middle East.

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
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Quoting dairy (Reply 22):

Turkish operates three daily flights from IST to CAI, departures at 00:25/ 06:45/ 18:05. I guess that flights TK 8060 and TK8062 are codeshares on Egyptair's flights.


25 AirGabon : Yes, AF recently tried to operate Port Gentil (POG) the oil capital of Gabon and was in talks with the Gabonese CAA to launch A319LR DEdicate service
26 turkishsky : and NKC is not there... However, a few destinations that are not part of the network appear: LUN, JUB
27 Post contains images ASA : My mistake, guys ... will update the destinations and the triangular routings as soon as I have the info. Thanks for the patience
28 leftyboarder : IST-DKR-NKC-IST IST-ACC-ABJ-ACC-IST IST-JIB-MGQ-JIB-IST IST-JNB-CPT-JNB-IST IST-JRO-MBA-IST I think that's all of the triangular routings; JUB hasn't
29 turkishsky : Add IST-KGL-EBB-IST to the list...
30 Post contains images ASA : Thanks, guys ... for the help. I added/deleted destinations/routes based on your feedbacks. Also, I compiled the list of "potential" destinations base
31 leftyboarder : Great work, many thanks! I for one know how hard it is 'cause I once did a separate map for each continent of potential TK destinations... can't seem
32 Post contains images Turkish350XWB : Great job, ASA, thank you ! Maybe Brazzaville could also be a future destination, Port Harcourt as well.
33 ETinCaribe : TK is a shooting star. It is riding the Ottoman invasion of Africa as Turkish companies are even outdoing Chinese ones on the continent. They are corn
34 turkishsky : Good work. well done. Guys in TK should take a look at this and replace it with the route map on their website. Current one is a joke...
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