RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2604 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4704 times:
Another carrier smart enough to tap into the Arusha airport. JRO is the gateway to climbing Kilimanjaro, and Mombasa a terrific resort place. When booking Mt Climbing groups all the time to Kilimanjaro, Mombasa was the number one requested side trip, before or after their climbs. If TK can carry local and/or conditional traffic on the JRO-MBA part, they could get quite a viable run going. Hope it connects well with US, Asia and European departures. The yields are high in this market, and KL (the only real other competition) runs triangle through DAR. Is TK poised to be the next EK?
757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!
Also interesting as both are *A carriers and competing heavily, surprised TK don't do Codeshare via ADD?
lukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1071 posts, RR: 32 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4598 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter): After adding Abidjan, Kinshasa, Djibouti, Sharm-el-Sheikh, Hurghada, Sebha and Nouakchott in Africa all this year, TK is now starting Kilimanjaro and mombasa on a triangular routing.
That is an amazing amount of routes to open up, and TK should be well poised for African economic growth.
The Kilimanjaro route will mostly be fairly affluent leisure PAX, and nice to give QR some competition. QR and TK's business models seem to get closer every day.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4535 times:
Quoting 757ops (Reply 2): Why is KL the only other competition! ET have 12-14 flights weekly to JRO also routing via MBA both ways with onward connections to Europe/USA/Asia/Canada. I think ET is much more of a competitor on the route!
It seems RWA380 is writing from Portland, Oregon. Here is the competition between ET vs KL on PDX-JRO:
Ethiopian: (UA & ET metal, no codeshare ET and UA, so multiple carrier fare)
- PDX-IAD on UA (19 hours connection time, depart next day) IAD-ADD-JRO on ET - daily = 40 hours
- JRO-ADD-FCO-IAD on ET (10 hours connecting time) IAD-PDX on UA = 34 hr 45 min
KLM: (DL & KL metal, but KL flight number for entire journey)
Thanks for starting this thread.
TK announced couple of years back that they wanted to double the number of airports served in Africa from 17 to 35. It sounded a bit ambitious at the time.
Now, 8 of the 15 739ERs ordered joined the fleet, this goal seems lot closer.
With 16J/135Y these jets were ordered for the African expansion, with extra fuel tanks fitted for the long missions.
These flights might not be all money makers but offer connections at IST.
Also these flights help Turkish businessmen to search for new markets where there are less or no visa requirements.
By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1431 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 5): By the way, what is the total list of new African destinations for TK:
Here's the complete list from TK website:
Dar es Salaam
Sharm el Sheikh
These seem to be the flights currently operating or has been announced recently. N'djamena, Lusaka and Douala are also listed in the website but no flight details yet. I also seem to remember Ouagadougou but no details on the website either.
They already are, but are flying under the radar so to speak. I think once all the 739's are delivered and the expansion complete we'll see a different TK approach in marketing/publicity instead of being the wallflower they are now- it's almost as if it's intentional trying not to be noticed.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23540 posts, RR: 50 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3284 times:
You can add Maputo to the future list.
Turkey and Mozambique two weeks ago signed their first bilateral. Allows for 3x weekly service on each side. LAM apparently will also code-share with TK as its no longer allowed to serve Europe directly itself.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
KL offers multiple daily flights PDX-JRO v.v. over other US hubs that are still faster than ET.
Thank you factsonly, yes this is correct, I was only thinking of connections from the US market. Having booked travel for years for one of the largest Mountain Climbing companies in the country, we booked a lot of JRO tickets, 99% on KL/NW and for the few odd flights we booked KQ via AMS and NBO. KL makes the connections very easy to the US market. ET involves long layovers, even from IAD. If KQ flew to JFK on their 777's I'd expect KQ to be easier than KL.
AsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2677 times:
They are negotiating with Nigeria's government to allow them fly to Kano in the north of the country. KLM recently pulled out of Kano after decades of service, TK would surely fill a vacuum left by the Dutch carrier, as well as provide connections to the Middle East.