Where will AF fly its 787s?
Will they replace the A332s?
Yes, they will, according to what AF stated at the time when the order was placed.
789s may also replace some 77E/343 on some routes where a downgauge would be needed in view of Gulf carriers competition...
Should EY forge ahead with AF and join ST, such downgauges would be even more logical: low-yield traffic on 388s via AUH, higher-yield traffic on smaller frames flying nonstop (and who knows, with no Y, only Y+, J and possibly F classes).
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6820 times:
Someone told me that if DL cuts the CVG-CDG route, an AF 787 may take this per contract with P&G. But that's currently a rumor, but it makes sense, I think.
The 787 will be a good candidate for any current 330/340 destinations, so a lot of Africa to begin with.
Considering the low operating costs of this new birds, I'm curious to see if AF will take over some of the current DL 767 operated North America destinations (ORD, SEA?)....
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2): Someone told me that if DL cuts the CVG-CDG route, an AF 787 may take this per contract with P&G. But that's currently a rumor, but it makes sense, I think.
Heard that too... let's see what happens but it makes sense indeed...
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YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4754 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2): Someone told me that if DL cuts the CVG-CDG route, an AF 787 may take this per contract with P&G. But that's currently a rumor, but it makes sense, I think.
Well, it would be 1. AF making a come back on the route, once operated by the A340, and 2. very unlikely imo. I could see a DL 757 taking over if anything were to change, assuming it has the range.
Quoting kyrone (Reply 5): Quoting airproxx (Reply 4):
AF will take over some of the current DL 767 operated North America destinations (ORD, SEA?)..
They just are giving up on ORD this season, so I wouldnt see them taking it back full term in the near future
I think ORD has been (sort of) established by being AF during the summer season and DL during the winter season, with A340 and 767, respectively. A 787 year round, maybe.....
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6): Well, it would be 1. AF making a come back on the route, once operated by the A340, and 2. very unlikely imo. I could see a DL 757 taking over if anything were to change, assuming it has the range.
I don't think the 757 has the range for it without taking a weight penalty to save fuel.
AA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6): Well, it would be 1. AF making a come back on the route, once operated by the A340, and 2. very unlikely imo. I could see a DL 757 taking over if anything were to change, assuming it has the range.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8): I don't think the 757 has the range for it without taking a weight penalty to save fuel.
Great Circle puts CVG-CDG at 4155 nm, which is just outside of the 752 + winglets posted range of 4100 nm.
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kyrone From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6): I think ORD has been (sort of) established by being AF during the summer season and DL during the winter season, with A340 and 767, respectively. A 787 year round, maybe.....
my understanding is that was the idea the last year or so, however after this summer season, DL is supposed to operate the route year round now. AF is laying off all their ORD based staff at the end of this month where previously they had them work the KLM flight only in the AF off season.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
Quoting AA94 (Reply 9): Great Circle puts CVG-CDG at 4155 nm, which is just outside of the 752 + winglets posted range of 4100 nm.
That's my point. Say DL doesn't want to put 767 service on this route anymore (they have to) they would have to slash the route completely, which as I stated, under the contract with P&G, someone would have to fulfill this service, which I'm guessing would be AF on a 787.
But As far as the future looks, DL is gonna stay on this route....that is, until I see the schedule posted for next year.
goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1673 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2028 times:
Quoting kyrone (Reply 10): my understanding is that was the idea the last year or so, however after this summer season, DL is supposed to operate the route year round now. AF is laying off all their ORD based staff at the end of this month where previously they had them work the KLM flight only in the AF off season.
jcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
Quoting goldorak (Reply 12): Quoting kyrone (Reply 10):my understanding is that was the idea the last year or so, however after this summer season, DL is supposed to operate the route year round now. AF is laying off all their ORD based staff at the end of this month where previously they had them work the KLM flight only in the AF off season.
So this catastrophe seems to be confirmed
Actually, it's been updated where AF will now operate again for S13. I was advised last Friday by DL. A 787 would be perfect on the ORD route.
kyrone From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1343 times:
Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 13): Actually, it's been updated where AF will now operate again for S13. I was advised last Friday by DL. A 787 would be perfect on the ORD route.
Thats rough, Air France had their staff train their replacements and laid them off? Such a shame.
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