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Big Announcement From BA In October?  
User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32284 times:

I've been hearing rumours from several sources that BA is planning to announce something big next month, I heard it affects Mixed Fleet and possibly Gatwick....anyone know anything or have any thoughts?

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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32318 times:

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User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32204 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

No it's something internal to BA


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32027 times:

Entirely speculation on my part:

- Route announcements for initial 787's and A380's. (BA said it was coming "later this year")

- Replacement of the Gatwick s/h fleet

- Outside chance: Launch customer of the 787-10 (rumor is Boeing is getting ATO next month)


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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2900 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31781 times:

My guess, based on one conversation, no more:

- A319 to roll over the LGW 737 prehistorics, on condition further significant savings are agreed to first. Without agreement, BA will claim LGW short haul is no longer viable. That's a huge bear to place in the room as a negotiating tool.

- A320neo family order for LHR, including some A321neos in the mid haul config for expansion of thin routes.

- I've often wondered whether some 787s might be going to the beach fleet at LGW, sending the 772s back to LHR. The smaller size and better economics seem ideal to create a better revenue stream throughout the year. There is no doubt the 772 is way too much aircraft for some of the LGW routes in low season.

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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8329 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31469 times:
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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 4):
I've often wondered whether some 787s might be going to the beach fleet at LGW, sending the 772s back to LHR. The smaller size and better economics seem ideal to create a better revenue stream throughout the year. There is no doubt the 772 is way too much aircraft for some of the LGW routes in low season

Doubtful they are going to do 787 at Gatwick and the "beach fleet". BA has 767 that can do that mission. 787 will be for LHR to cities where the 777 or a 744 are too big, cities like Bangkok, Phoenix, San Diego, Seoul and Buenos Aires.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 31426 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 4):
A319 to roll over the LGW 737 prehistorics, on condition further significant savings are agreed to first. Without agreement, BA will claim LGW short haul is no longer viable. That's a huge bear to place in the room as a negotiating tool

Frankly, I think they are past that stage; they have a 15% stake in Flybe, which has a good presence at LGW. If I were to predict something, I'd say that they would close down the BA short haul operation at LGW, ground the 734s and BE would cherry pick the routes that they and BA want to keep going, with BA codesharing on BE flights.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11639 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 31213 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Frankly, I think they are past that stage; they have a 15% stake in Flybe, which has a good presence at LGW. If I were to predict something, I'd say that they would close down the BA short haul operation at LGW, ground the 734s and BE would cherry pick the routes that they and BA want to keep going, with BA codesharing on BE flights.
Has a good presence, FlyBe's future at LGW is not at all certain. GIP have indicated that they want to see average aircraft size increase (IIRC by eliminating sub 100 seaters) and have already made some considerable changes to their pricing structure to facilitate this. Coupled with competition from easyJet on the fatter domestic routes, I think a sizable contraction of their operations at LGW can be expected.


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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2900 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 30804 times:

Flybe's Embraers have neither the uplift capacity or range to compete against EZY, so that's a total non-runner. To hand their LGW shorthaul to Flybe would merely be delaying the closure of LGW shorthaul.....though I am sure they are paying very close attention to the Flybe / Finnair deal to see how it works out.

BA have already previously said some years ago that the 767s were not suitable for their LGW beach operations. With today's cost of fuel, it makes the possibility of the 767s going to LGW even more unlikely.

Remember also that Thomson, probably their main long haul competitor out of LGW, are rolling over their own 763 fleet for Dreamliners. I can't see BA giving them the marketing gem of downgrading to an aircraft their main competitor is ditching, can you?

Rgds



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 30574 times:

The 787s are ear-marked for long-haul expansion at LHR (IAG has said that Asia is a major priority for growth) and I don't think we'll see the cost of another aircraft type at LGW.

No decision has been made on fleet renewal at LGW. Although question marks are hanging over the operation, I think IAG would rather find a solution for BA to keep its presence at LGW than give up entirely.

As for Mixed Fleet and LGW cabin crew, well earlier this year LGW cabin crew voted against proposals to change their T&Cs to bring them into line with Mixed Fleet. I wonder whether BA wants to merge the two to give the efficiency of cross base working.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 28933 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
787 will be for LHR to cities where the 777 or a 744 are too big, cities like Bangkok, Phoenix

Phoenix 787? Recently upgraded to daily and with a 747- can't see that going down to 787. Would be surprised with current loads to see SAN go down to a 787


User currently offlinetheobcman From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 28733 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):

787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 28467 times:

Quoting theobcman (Reply 11):
787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe

I agree; I'm actually very curious to see what kind of config the 787 will have in BA use; with four classes, you might end up with a pretty small number, maybe 150-180, depending on how many J class. I could see it being used on routes where there is a strong J class demand.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 26189 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 12):
I agree; I'm actually very curious to see what kind of config the 787 will have in BA use; with four classes

The B787-800 will be three classes, no F.
They will replace B767 on present B767 routes with a modest increase in seats over the B767.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25770 times:

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 2):

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

No it's something internal to BA


Gatwick is now a standalone division in BA and even has its own MD so I doubt any part of it will be merging with anything LHR based.

Is it not related to QR or US?


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25476 times:

I don't know where the 787 is going to fit. None of the above - PHX is a 747, SAN is comfortably a 777, and ICN will comfortably be a 777 (Koreanair run a daily 747 to London and it will go A380). I think the Dreamliner is too small - maybe it's OK for Ethiopian, LOT et al to replace 757s and 767s, but I'm not sure where BA will use it, since LHR is so slot-restricted. Plus fuel is going to get more expensive so frequency will not be an economic option in the future. In fact that's where I would see a 787 working for BA - do we need seven roundtrips to Geneva? With $200 / barrel oil in the future, I would think four 787s would give BA a chance at making money that seven A319s, A320s does not.

What longhaul routes would work for BA with 787? Baltimore and Montreal are the only ones I can think of!



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User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25207 times:

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that we rustics could dream about the dreamliner - e.g. could it serve BHX, MAN, EDI or even GOW for any routes? Let's remember - there is life (and passengers) outside the capital!


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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 25075 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
I think the Dreamliner is too small - maybe it's OK for Ethiopian, LOT et al to replace 757s and 767s, but I'm not sure where BA will use it, since LHR is so slot-restricted.

IAG has just bought bmi. It has more slots at LHR than it knows what to do with. The 787 will replace 767 long-haul routes and fill gaps in the long-haul network (of which there are many).

The 787 will not be used for short-haul.

Quoting dergay (Reply 16):
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that we rustics could dream about the dreamliner - e.g. could it serve BHX, MAN, EDI or even GOW for any routes? Let's remember - there is life (and passengers) outside the capital!

Not a chance of BA restarting long-haul from the regions in the medium term.


User currently offlinebamf777 From UK - England, joined Sep 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23607 times:

I think that the original post was more to do with an announcement with regards to the cabin crew fleets rather than aircraft fleets. Word of "a big announcement after the Olympics" has been going around for a good few months now but there are plenty of 'crewmours' (as we like to call them) flying around.

A few things rumoured are the downsize of Worldwide and Eurofleet with redundancies and mass expansion of Mixed Fleet. Also redundancies and then integration of fleets.
Nobody seems to know but there is a strange atmosphere like something is up.

Interesting times ahead at BA.....



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23580 times:
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Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 17):
Not a chance of BA restarting long-haul from the regions in the medium term.

But expect more in the short-term from those with whom BA now has a close business interest in. BA's own "metal" stand-alone routes would be subject to the normal beancounters feat of rendering regional operations unprofitable and some people commenting that BA does the right thimg by swinging passengers away from the regional service onto the LHR equivalent


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8329 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22758 times:
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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 8):
BA have already previously said some years ago that the 767s were not suitable for their LGW beach operations. With today's cost of fuel, it makes the possibility of the 767s going to LGW even more unlikely.

How can BA's 767 not be suitable for the Caribean and Florida, many 767 fly from London to the US east coast and the islands. They may need to have some Club World seats taken out and more economy pit in but other then that they should be good to go. Or are BA's 767 withines Rolls engines allegic to the tropical air ?


User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22753 times:

Quoting bamf777 (Reply 18):

I totally agree, if I hear any more FC hinting to an announcement but not actually saying what it' is (probably because they don't know themselves) I'll scream lol.

I've heard MF and SFG Gatwick are to merge with per 2006 contracts being offered £££ then put on 2010 contract!


User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22552 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):

When was the last time you flew on a 777 out of Gatwick? EVERY flight has been packed lately with certain routes requiring x2 777 daily service in the summer months (Orlando), the 76 doesn't have First which rules out BDA/BGI & UVF also does the 76 have the range to fly MRU?

Crew are rated on three types already, 737, 777 & Airbus therefore I doubt very much that the 767 will be seen at LGW.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22304 times:

Quoting theobcman (Reply 11):
787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe

Yields and loads in F, J & W have been dropped considerably since the BKK became a terminator. With this in mind I think what we will see is the 3 class 777 on the EZE or GIG replaced by a 787 with the 3 class 777's being moved onto the BKK route.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22056 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
- Outside chance: Launch customer of the 787-10 (rumor is Boeing is getting ATO next month)

Would BA order it? what routes could it serve ?

Quoting by738 (Reply 10):
Phoenix 787? Recently upgraded to daily and with a 747- can't see that going down to 787. Would be surprised with current loads to see SAN go down to a 787

Yeah PHX is going to stay a 744 route until they retire the 744. If PHX upgrades its international service/gates, we may see the A380 or (far chance but still chance) 748. If anything, it's probably going to be 77W. This flight is reportedly always full.

While I'd love to see a 787 in Phoenix (       ) I don't think I would like to see BA down-gauge their B744.



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25 anstar : Mixed fleet to operate LHR and LGW as a single fleet (ie like what Virgin do) OR Mixed fleet T's & C's are imposed at LGW for LGW flights?
26 bamf777 : From what is happening with the 'Our Voice' discussions within MF at the moment, it seems there is similar contract 'conditions' between MF and SFG. M
27 qf002 : Asia is a big place, and there are a lot of secondary cities in this region that would do well with an F-less 200ish seat aircraft. The 787-10 would
28 scouseflyer : That one's been going on as a discussion on here for about 10 years!
29 APYu : It would be madness to suggest merging LGW and Mixed Fleet. Why would any crew member on such lowly paid employment terms and conditions (as both thos
30 runway23 : It is actually 9 daily on LHR-GVA. But yes they need frequency. GVA-LHR is a high yield route with a large proportion of people transferring to long-
31 liverpoola380 : Routing from the regions would be excellent news. I have a strong feeling it will be a cost reduction exercise and that it will be focused on Cabin Cr
32 sirtoby : What about the CSeries?
33 VV701 : What surprises me most about this thread is that with the operational integration of BD into BA due to take place on 28 October (until which time the
34 tonystan : If this "annoucement" is about to happen then Im pretty sure it wont involve cabin crew as they company seem to caught up right now in how to reduce t
35 APYu : Closure of international bases to speed up the transfer of the more expensive WW routes to MF (SIN/HKG/NRT etc.)???????
36 liverpoola380 : Do you think BA is not looking to move away from this prestige of having native crew on board, surely this is what attracts premium passengers. I can
37 APYu : If BA have confidence enough in their products then it coulld happen. It does add a lot of cost to the operation. I guess we will see with what happe
38 LHRFlyer : BA recruited Japanese speaking crew in London for the Haneda route (operated by Mixed Fleet) and is recruiting Korean speaking crew in London to opera
39 Flyingsottsman : I wish it was an anouncement of them comming back to Melbourne, oh well nice to dream.
40 bongodog1964 : Why wouldn't they ? Being paid to sit in bus driving round the M25 is probably better than working an aisle serving ungrateful passengers. What I wou
41 APYu : Exactly my point, being dual based virgin crews aren't paid to sit on that bus, they are paid from when they report for the flight, be that at LHR or
42 SANFan : I wouldn't be too surprised if BA were to announce a couple of new routes (including perhaps a new US city?) using the 787s - smaller, thinner markets
43 ANA787 : Potential 787 routes: PDX, SCL, YYC
44 richardw : Is it LGW-ALC for summer 2013?
45 VV701 : Already announced last month. Seventeen weekly flights from 31 March with an additional four a week from 1 July.
46 USAirALB : DTW or CLT? That's an interesting one. I'm sure the LON market is there, but is there room for two European flights from PDX? I know it was hard for
47 Stratacruiser : Perhaps the 787s will also be used to expand frequencies on current routes, much as UA slots 757s 4x daily EWR-LHR. Maybe an evening WB, morning EB to
48 eljonno : As do I. Maybe throw in a daily SIN-BNE or ADL as well... Not going to happen though!
49 bobnwa : Is this going to be another Anet pre announcement about a future announcement that never seem to happen?
50 theginge : Probably, there was something on here a while back about a new route but that hasn't happened yet.
51 madhatter : Could this not be tied in with the rumoured Qatar Airways joining Oneworld and the potential re-routing of their Kangaroo route via Doha along with an
52 tcxdegsy : The only thought I had from all the speculation, refers back to the above. It's approx 2.4yrs since BA resolved their Crew Strike issues, and I'm sur
53 tonystan : It was actually only resolved last year.
54 FI642 : A friend who flies for them has hinted that that there are changes coming with the flight attendant group. While I doubt this is the announcement, it
55 ANA787 : When is this announcement?
56 tonystan : I think you will find it came today in the guise of BA sponsoring Qatars entry into Oneworld!
57 APYu : What does that have to do with the crew community Tonystan? I expect this is not the announcement referred to in this thread.
58 tonystan : So some guy comes on here and says a big announcement is due and then suggests without any proof it MIGHT be regarding the crew community???? Anyone
59 Post contains images scrappy27 : There is a current recruitment drive on ejobscan for more volunteer crew (from other BA departments)...... suggesting interesting times ahead I think.
60 APYu : Could be just a renaming of the fleets. New Fleet, Old Fleet and Back-to-back Fleet.
61 tonystan : Oh you silly moo....its not "Volunteer" crew...its iCSP crew...the "i" means they can be controlled remotely by the SCCMs iPad and indeed their own m
62 RubberJungle : Something connected with the pilot recruitment drive at OpenSkies which has been advertised over the past few weeks?
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