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Big Announcement From BA In October?  
User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 726 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32230 times:

I've been hearing rumours from several sources that BA is planning to announce something big next month, I heard it affects Mixed Fleet and possibly Gatwick....anyone know anything or have any thoughts?

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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32264 times:

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User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32150 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

No it's something internal to BA


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31973 times:

Entirely speculation on my part:

- Route announcements for initial 787's and A380's. (BA said it was coming "later this year")

- Replacement of the Gatwick s/h fleet

- Outside chance: Launch customer of the 787-10 (rumor is Boeing is getting ATO next month)


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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2852 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31727 times:

My guess, based on one conversation, no more:

- A319 to roll over the LGW 737 prehistorics, on condition further significant savings are agreed to first. Without agreement, BA will claim LGW short haul is no longer viable. That's a huge bear to place in the room as a negotiating tool.

- A320neo family order for LHR, including some A321neos in the mid haul config for expansion of thin routes.

- I've often wondered whether some 787s might be going to the beach fleet at LGW, sending the 772s back to LHR. The smaller size and better economics seem ideal to create a better revenue stream throughout the year. There is no doubt the 772 is way too much aircraft for some of the LGW routes in low season.

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31415 times:
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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 4):
I've often wondered whether some 787s might be going to the beach fleet at LGW, sending the 772s back to LHR. The smaller size and better economics seem ideal to create a better revenue stream throughout the year. There is no doubt the 772 is way too much aircraft for some of the LGW routes in low season

Doubtful they are going to do 787 at Gatwick and the "beach fleet". BA has 767 that can do that mission. 787 will be for LHR to cities where the 777 or a 744 are too big, cities like Bangkok, Phoenix, San Diego, Seoul and Buenos Aires.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31372 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 4):
A319 to roll over the LGW 737 prehistorics, on condition further significant savings are agreed to first. Without agreement, BA will claim LGW short haul is no longer viable. That's a huge bear to place in the room as a negotiating tool

Frankly, I think they are past that stage; they have a 15% stake in Flybe, which has a good presence at LGW. If I were to predict something, I'd say that they would close down the BA short haul operation at LGW, ground the 734s and BE would cherry pick the routes that they and BA want to keep going, with BA codesharing on BE flights.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 31159 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Frankly, I think they are past that stage; they have a 15% stake in Flybe, which has a good presence at LGW. If I were to predict something, I'd say that they would close down the BA short haul operation at LGW, ground the 734s and BE would cherry pick the routes that they and BA want to keep going, with BA codesharing on BE flights.
Has a good presence, FlyBe's future at LGW is not at all certain. GIP have indicated that they want to see average aircraft size increase (IIRC by eliminating sub 100 seaters) and have already made some considerable changes to their pricing structure to facilitate this. Coupled with competition from easyJet on the fatter domestic routes, I think a sizable contraction of their operations at LGW can be expected.


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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2852 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 30750 times:

Flybe's Embraers have neither the uplift capacity or range to compete against EZY, so that's a total non-runner. To hand their LGW shorthaul to Flybe would merely be delaying the closure of LGW shorthaul.....though I am sure they are paying very close attention to the Flybe / Finnair deal to see how it works out.

BA have already previously said some years ago that the 767s were not suitable for their LGW beach operations. With today's cost of fuel, it makes the possibility of the 767s going to LGW even more unlikely.

Remember also that Thomson, probably their main long haul competitor out of LGW, are rolling over their own 763 fleet for Dreamliners. I can't see BA giving them the marketing gem of downgrading to an aircraft their main competitor is ditching, can you?

Rgds



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 30520 times:

The 787s are ear-marked for long-haul expansion at LHR (IAG has said that Asia is a major priority for growth) and I don't think we'll see the cost of another aircraft type at LGW.

No decision has been made on fleet renewal at LGW. Although question marks are hanging over the operation, I think IAG would rather find a solution for BA to keep its presence at LGW than give up entirely.

As for Mixed Fleet and LGW cabin crew, well earlier this year LGW cabin crew voted against proposals to change their T&Cs to bring them into line with Mixed Fleet. I wonder whether BA wants to merge the two to give the efficiency of cross base working.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28879 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
787 will be for LHR to cities where the 777 or a 744 are too big, cities like Bangkok, Phoenix

Phoenix 787? Recently upgraded to daily and with a 747- can't see that going down to 787. Would be surprised with current loads to see SAN go down to a 787


User currently offlinetheobcman From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28679 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):

787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28413 times:

Quoting theobcman (Reply 11):
787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe

I agree; I'm actually very curious to see what kind of config the 787 will have in BA use; with four classes, you might end up with a pretty small number, maybe 150-180, depending on how many J class. I could see it being used on routes where there is a strong J class demand.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26135 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 12):
I agree; I'm actually very curious to see what kind of config the 787 will have in BA use; with four classes

The B787-800 will be three classes, no F.
They will replace B767 on present B767 routes with a modest increase in seats over the B767.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25716 times:

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 2):

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

No it's something internal to BA


Gatwick is now a standalone division in BA and even has its own MD so I doubt any part of it will be merging with anything LHR based.

Is it not related to QR or US?


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25422 times:

I don't know where the 787 is going to fit. None of the above - PHX is a 747, SAN is comfortably a 777, and ICN will comfortably be a 777 (Koreanair run a daily 747 to London and it will go A380). I think the Dreamliner is too small - maybe it's OK for Ethiopian, LOT et al to replace 757s and 767s, but I'm not sure where BA will use it, since LHR is so slot-restricted. Plus fuel is going to get more expensive so frequency will not be an economic option in the future. In fact that's where I would see a 787 working for BA - do we need seven roundtrips to Geneva? With $200 / barrel oil in the future, I would think four 787s would give BA a chance at making money that seven A319s, A320s does not.

What longhaul routes would work for BA with 787? Baltimore and Montreal are the only ones I can think of!



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User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25153 times:

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that we rustics could dream about the dreamliner - e.g. could it serve BHX, MAN, EDI or even GOW for any routes? Let's remember - there is life (and passengers) outside the capital!


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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25021 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
I think the Dreamliner is too small - maybe it's OK for Ethiopian, LOT et al to replace 757s and 767s, but I'm not sure where BA will use it, since LHR is so slot-restricted.

IAG has just bought bmi. It has more slots at LHR than it knows what to do with. The 787 will replace 767 long-haul routes and fill gaps in the long-haul network (of which there are many).

The 787 will not be used for short-haul.

Quoting dergay (Reply 16):
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that we rustics could dream about the dreamliner - e.g. could it serve BHX, MAN, EDI or even GOW for any routes? Let's remember - there is life (and passengers) outside the capital!

Not a chance of BA restarting long-haul from the regions in the medium term.


User currently offlinebamf777 From UK - England, joined Sep 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23553 times:

I think that the original post was more to do with an announcement with regards to the cabin crew fleets rather than aircraft fleets. Word of "a big announcement after the Olympics" has been going around for a good few months now but there are plenty of 'crewmours' (as we like to call them) flying around.

A few things rumoured are the downsize of Worldwide and Eurofleet with redundancies and mass expansion of Mixed Fleet. Also redundancies and then integration of fleets.
Nobody seems to know but there is a strange atmosphere like something is up.

Interesting times ahead at BA.....



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23526 times:
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Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 17):
Not a chance of BA restarting long-haul from the regions in the medium term.

But expect more in the short-term from those with whom BA now has a close business interest in. BA's own "metal" stand-alone routes would be subject to the normal beancounters feat of rendering regional operations unprofitable and some people commenting that BA does the right thimg by swinging passengers away from the regional service onto the LHR equivalent


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22704 times:
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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 8):
BA have already previously said some years ago that the 767s were not suitable for their LGW beach operations. With today's cost of fuel, it makes the possibility of the 767s going to LGW even more unlikely.

How can BA's 767 not be suitable for the Caribean and Florida, many 767 fly from London to the US east coast and the islands. They may need to have some Club World seats taken out and more economy pit in but other then that they should be good to go. Or are BA's 767 withines Rolls engines allegic to the tropical air ?


User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22699 times:

Quoting bamf777 (Reply 18):

I totally agree, if I hear any more FC hinting to an announcement but not actually saying what it' is (probably because they don't know themselves) I'll scream lol.

I've heard MF and SFG Gatwick are to merge with per 2006 contracts being offered £££ then put on 2010 contract!


User currently offlinebaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22498 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):

When was the last time you flew on a 777 out of Gatwick? EVERY flight has been packed lately with certain routes requiring x2 777 daily service in the summer months (Orlando), the 76 doesn't have First which rules out BDA/BGI & UVF also does the 76 have the range to fly MRU?

Crew are rated on three types already, 737, 777 & Airbus therefore I doubt very much that the 767 will be seen at LGW.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22250 times:

Quoting theobcman (Reply 11):
787 is probably too small for those routes. PHX has gone to daily 744 & BKK is full most of time with a 744. ICN maybe

Yields and loads in F, J & W have been dropped considerably since the BKK became a terminator. With this in mind I think what we will see is the 3 class 777 on the EZE or GIG replaced by a 787 with the 3 class 777's being moved onto the BKK route.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22002 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
- Outside chance: Launch customer of the 787-10 (rumor is Boeing is getting ATO next month)

Would BA order it? what routes could it serve ?

Quoting by738 (Reply 10):
Phoenix 787? Recently upgraded to daily and with a 747- can't see that going down to 787. Would be surprised with current loads to see SAN go down to a 787

Yeah PHX is going to stay a 744 route until they retire the 744. If PHX upgrades its international service/gates, we may see the A380 or (far chance but still chance) 748. If anything, it's probably going to be 77W. This flight is reportedly always full.

While I'd love to see a 787 in Phoenix (       ) I don't think I would like to see BA down-gauge their B744.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5158 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 20513 times:

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 21):
I've heard MF and SFG Gatwick are to merge with per 2006 contracts being offered £££ then put on 2010 contract!

Mixed fleet to operate LHR and LGW as a single fleet (ie like what Virgin do) OR Mixed fleet T's & C's are imposed at LGW for LGW flights?


User currently offlinebamf777 From UK - England, joined Sep 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20208 times:

From what is happening with the 'Our Voice' discussions within MF at the moment, it seems there is similar contract 'conditions' between MF and SFG. MF crew are fighting for Unite union repesentation at the moment to get some of the 'Our Voice' practices set in stone in contracts.

As I said before there will be some very interesting times ahead as the industry changes, but it's already shown in the financial results that after a year of Mixed Fleet operating BA has made a profit. I can't say I've heard much with regards to MF and SFG merging and with friend down at LGW they haven't heard anything either.
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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20432 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):

Asia is a big place, and there are a lot of secondary cities in this region that would do well with an F-less 200ish seat aircraft.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Would BA order it? what routes could it serve ?

The 787-10 would be an excellent replacement for 744's flying across the Atlantic, and potentially flights to the Middle East and Africa as well.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3373 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18191 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
Replacement of the Gatwick s/h fleet

That one's been going on as a discussion on here for about 10 years!


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17923 times:

It would be madness to suggest merging LGW and Mixed Fleet. Why would any crew member on such lowly paid employment terms and conditions (as both those groups are) accept such a massive change to working conditions i.e.working from both bases.

It worked for virgin as it was implemented at a time the airline was still quite small and also VS is a long haul only operator. Can you see any BA crew member checking in at one base, to be bussed to the other, to operate a Manchester there and back? Would anyone be that desperate for a job?

Maybe they will announce a withdrawal from LGW Short Haul to work with a partner airline and a huge number of LGW crew will be offered the similar mixed fleet contract up the road to minimise redundancies and the massively ramp up Mixed Fleet numbers? but then again I doubt it as they are just doing a management shake-up at LGW and surely they had a pretty stable view of the 'to be'organisation before they did that (one would hope)

[Edited 2012-10-01 00:50:04]


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User currently onlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2180 posts, RR: 36
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16692 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
Plus fuel is going to get more expensive so frequency will not be an economic option in the future. In fact that's where I would see a 787 working for BA - do we need seven roundtrips to Geneva? With $200 / barrel oil in the future, I would think four 787s would give BA a chance at making money that seven A319s, A320s does not.

It is actually 9 daily on LHR-GVA. But yes they need frequency. GVA-LHR is a high yield route with a large proportion of people transferring to long-haul flights and those who fly point to point are high yield (bank, commodities traffic between the two cities). I have on a number of occasions been on GVA-LHR flights with 17 rows of Club Europe. Weekends during the winter also need high uplift due to ski season.

Any decrease in frequency from BA and they lose a competitive advantage at LHR against LX who fly GVA-LHR 6x per day and GVA-LCY 5x per day. You also have to remember that all other airlines fly very high frequencies to their respective hubs from GVA - LH 10x to FRA, 7x to MUC, AF 9x to CDG, LX 8x to ZRH, KL 6x to AMS,


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15519 times:

Routing from the regions would be excellent news.

I have a strong feeling it will be a cost reduction exercise and that it will be focused on Cabin Crew


User currently onlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14312 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 4):
- A319 to roll over the LGW 737 prehistorics

What about the CSeries?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

What surprises me most about this thread is that with the operational integration of BD into BA due to take place on 28 October (until which time the former BD operations and timetables have hardly changed since BD were purchased by IAG in April) this reply is the first to mention "BD" in this thread. Surely for BA that integration and the changes it will bring about short-, medium- and long-term is the most important event of the year for BA?

Any thoughts?


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12856 times:

If this "annoucement" is about to happen then Im pretty sure it wont involve cabin crew as they company seem to caught up right now in how to reduce the WW/EF downroute allowances!


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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12682 times:

Closure of international bases to speed up the transfer of the more expensive WW routes to MF (SIN/HKG/NRT etc.)???????


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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting APYu (Reply 35):
Closure of international bases to speed up the transfer of the more expensive WW routes to MF (SIN/HKG/NRT etc.)???????

Do you think BA is not looking to move away from this prestige of having native crew on board, surely this is what attracts premium passengers.

I can see it will save cost but I am not sure this will happen.

On a side note do MF have pay rises to their basic salary or will it always be very low paid if so I can see BA's next issue will be with attrition.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12156 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 36):
Do you think BA is not looking to move away from this prestige of having native crew on board, surely this is what attracts premium passengers.

I can see it will save cost but I am not sure this will happen

If BA have confidence enough in their products then it coulld happen. It does add a lot of cost to the operation. I guess we will see with what happens in Cairo with the change to the A321 ops there and what changes are made to their operating practices.

If Native crew are not up there in the top three reasons people chose BA then it might be considered an expensive nice to have - as the Virgin In Flight Beauty therapists discovered.



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

BA recruited Japanese speaking crew in London for the Haneda route (operated by Mixed Fleet) and is recruiting Korean speaking crew in London to operate the Seoul route (also to be operated by Mixed Fleet) so there is still knowledge of the local language and customs on board.

User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

I wish it was an anouncement of them comming back to Melbourne, oh well nice to dream.

User currently offlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

Quoting APYu (Reply 29):
It worked for virgin as it was implemented at a time the airline was still quite small and also VS is a long haul only operator. Can you see any BA crew member checking in at one base, to be bussed to the other, to operate a Manchester there and back? Would anyone be that desperate for a job?

Why wouldn't they ? Being paid to sit in bus driving round the M25 is probably better than working an aisle serving ungrateful passengers.

What I wouldn't expect crew to stand for is being told to report to an alternative base in their own time at their own expense.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11590 times:

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 40):


Why wouldn't they ? Being paid to sit in bus driving round the M25 is probably better than working an aisle serving ungrateful passengers.

What I wouldn't expect crew to stand for is being told to report to an alternative base in their own time at their own expense.

Exactly my point, being dual based virgin crews aren't paid to sit on that bus, they are paid from when they report for the flight, be that at LHR or LGW. They can choose one or the other to have their car park pass but arent paid from when they report to that base if their duty is operating from the other.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5340 posts, RR: 15
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11191 times:

I wouldn't be too surprised if BA were to announce a couple of new routes (including perhaps a new US city?) using the 787s - smaller, thinner markets that haven't been considered until now. I'll let others jump in with their ideas about which new cities. (I will add that SAN was the last new U.S.-city announcement -- made just about exactly 2 years ago now!)

bb


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11033 times:

Potential 787 routes: PDX, SCL, YYC

User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

Is it LGW-ALC for summer 2013?

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 44):
Is it LGW-ALC for summer 2013?

Already announced last month.

Seventeen weekly flights from 31 March with an additional four a week from 1 July.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 42):
(including perhaps a new US city?)

DTW or CLT?

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 43):
PDX,

That's an interesting one. I'm sure the LON market is there, but is there room for two European flights from PDX? I know it was hard for DL and LH to compete with each other.



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User currently offlineStratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

Perhaps the 787s will also be used to expand frequencies on current routes, much as UA slots 757s 4x daily EWR-LHR. Maybe an evening WB, morning EB to IAD or EWR?

User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 39):
I wish it was an anouncement of them comming back to Melbourne, oh well nice to dream.

As do I. Maybe throw in a daily SIN-BNE or ADL as well... Not going to happen though!


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9378 times:

Is this going to be another Anet pre announcement about a future announcement that never seem to happen?

User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 49):

Probably, there was something on here a while back about a new route but that hasn't happened yet.


User currently offlinemadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9345 times:

Could this not be tied in with the rumoured Qatar Airways joining Oneworld and the potential re-routing of their Kangaroo route via Doha along with an application for a JV with Qatar?

User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Quoting bamf777 (Reply 18):
A few things rumoured are the downsize of Worldwide and Eurofleet with redundancies and mass expansion of Mixed Fleet. Also redundancies and then integration of fleets.
Nobody seems to know but there is a strange atmosphere like something is up.

Interesting times ahead at BA.....

The only thought I had from all the speculation, refers back to the above. It's approx 2.4yrs since BA resolved their Crew Strike issues, and I'm sure I recall that at the time of settlement, some of the agreements only held for 2 yrs, so there is some contract changes/ agreements past or due to renegotiation again. Anything linked to that you think?



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting tcxdegsy (Reply 52):
It's approx 2.4yrs since BA resolved their Crew Strike issues,

It was actually only resolved last year.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

A friend who flies for them has hinted that that there are changes coming with the flight attendant group. While I doubt this is the announcement, it will be interesting to see what it is!


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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

When is this announcement?

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 55):
When is this announcement?

I think you will find it came today in the guise of BA sponsoring Qatars entry into Oneworld!



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

What does that have to do with the crew community Tonystan? I expect this is not the announcement referred to in this thread.


We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting APYu (Reply 57):
What does that have to do with the crew community Tonystan? I expect this is not the announcement referred to in this thread.


So some guy comes on here and says a big announcement is due and then suggests without any proof it MIGHT be regarding the crew community???? Anyone who knows BA knows baseless rumour is the lifeblood of the organisation.

I personally have heard no rumour of an announcement other then the one started here and Iv even heard "Did you hear about the big announcement, someone mentioned it on some planespotters website" so Im sorry, Im not sure there is any meat on this bone!

What I do know, BA are looking at reviewing and changing allowances for WW crew but this will not be completed until the new year. MF are being offered unpaid leave in December which bless'em, seems to have them all in a tissy with sudden rumour of sackings when the rest of us know thatll never happen and finally, all the fleets are being combined for their annual SEP refresh.

If there is an announcement its probably nothing more then a clarification of how the company intend on crewing the A380s and B787, otherwise I reckon the BA rumour mill is getting a bit carried away on the back of this OW announcement. Iv seen it happen a million times before!



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User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

There is a current recruitment drive on ejobscan for more volunteer crew (from other BA departments)...... suggesting interesting times ahead I think...      

User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Could be just a renaming of the fleets. New Fleet, Old Fleet and Back-to-back Fleet.


We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 59):
There is a current recruitment drive on ejobscan for more volunteer crew (from other BA departments)...... suggesting interesting times ahead I think...

Oh you silly moo....its not "Volunteer" crew...its iCSP crew...the "i" means they can be controlled remotely by the SCCMs iPad and indeed their own managers....and its so far fetched from "volunteer" these days cos most of the ones Iv worked with claim they were forced into it for promotion opportunities! Bless them sweating it on those Moscows!



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Something connected with the pilot recruitment drive at OpenSkies which has been advertised over the past few weeks?

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