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Turkish Aviation October 2012  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15442 times:

Hello Turkish Aviation Fans,
Welcome to October 2012 edition;


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Photo © Mehmet Mustafa Celik


A beautiful night shot of this TK333.

Few updates here;
-TK still thinking about ordering 6 VLAs
-3rd TK 332F is about to join the fleet Oct.9th. 2 more to join, one plane in 2013, another in 2014.
-Dublin to go up to 10 x weekly, and TLV is going 32 X weekly starting Oct 1st.
-There is a very interesting thread on TK's African expansion;
TK Starts Kilimanjaro/ Mombasa (by leftyboarder Sep 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
-Can someone tell us, if TK 343's got new interiors matching the 333/77W fleet? Thanks.
-Is there any truth that TK is about to sell another 30% shares?

Thanks for participating for all these years,
TK787

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15402 times:

Per British Airways Turkey regional manager, LHR-IST will see 787 deployment in 2014.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15325 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK still thinking about ordering 6 VLAs

If I remember correctly one destination that could warrant a VLA aircraft is Bangkok, which other ones?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 2):
If I remember correctly one destination that could warrant a VLA aircraft is Bangkok, which other ones?

LAX could use I suppose, PEK and PVG as well. China bilateral limits have been reached (21 weekly freq). I assume JFK too; they could reduce summer freq from 21 to 14 with 1 A380 and 1 A333 daily.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15210 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):

Thanks for that. However, are the loads that strong to warrant such a large increase in capacity?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27301 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

Hi TK787 and thanks for a new thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Dublin to go up to 10 x weekly

Thats great news indeed. The number of connections TK are now offering from DUB is great. Some colleagues of mine just booked on my recommendation. They booked online but then needed to make a change. They had to drive 50mins to Dublin Airport to the ticket desk to get re issued . Not a big deal for them but I wonder when they will not need this requirement anymore.

Good news for me is that DUB-IST-ATH is producing some excellent fares and connectons  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15023 times:

TK is looking for IT staff;
One of the responsibilities of the candidate;
"Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak";
Meaning,....to prepare and "run"....?????


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15004 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Per British Airways Turkey regional manager, LHR-IST will see 787 deployment in 2014.


Silly me. I misread your post in my initial response.

It'll be interesting to see what configuration BA will offer on the 787 for IST.

Is LHR-IST primarily a leisure route or business route?

[Edited 2012-10-01 13:07:33]

User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14947 times:

There are some gossips which says TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order, but not including VLA. This is to happen in first half of 2013. Anyone heard about it?


BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14933 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 7):
Is LHR-IST primarily a leisure route or business route?

My humble opinion, more business than leisure.

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 8):
TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order

Now that's what I call a good rumor.
Most of TK's single aisle aircraft is new, so this won't be for replacement. Maybe TK is banking on the opening of the new airport in 3-4 years time and ready for a giant expansion with NEOs.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14918 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 8):
There are some gossips which says TK bargaining for a 200 aircraft order, but not including VLA. This is to happen in first half of 2013. Anyone heard about it?

Wow... This would be crazy. Maybe one of the biggest orders ever in Europe. Maybe for substituting 20-30 of the oldest 738s plus massive growth. With this fleet in one single airport TK could dominate European traffic and make the 3rd airport challenge PEK and ATL.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14881 times:

Need more 333/77W accoding to Kotil. I think we will hear that one first.
Here is pic of the wet-leased 332;
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=8035


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14806 times:

For the African routes which might see good loads, what is more likely to see from Turkish Airlines, additional frequencies or upgauging?

I also wonder if Turkish Airlines might order more B737-900s and use the African strategy but in Asia. I am sure they could open a lot of secondary airports in India like that. Or am I saying nonsense?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14781 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 12):

I wonder if India or Pakistan would ever let them. No word on additional points in India still and unable to add Lahore in Pakistan so far. Central Asian republics are also very restrictive. Iran alone can only go so far in filling the planes.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14754 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
"Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak";
Meaning,....to prepare and "run"....?????

Nothing wrong with that, "kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application". Both legit in Turkish and English.



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14719 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13):

Then I guess TK is lucky enough to have such easy access when it comes to Africa.

If Turkish Airlines does place an order for 200 aircraft I am sure it will only happen when the plans for the airport are finalized. Imagine the nightmare if they start arriving and the airport is not ready.


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14684 times:

Hello folks, just flew the leg from CAN-IST today, China market seems to be booming we were full in Y class and had 25 B class, not bad for an A340   Weather was great all the way too. Aircraft was TC-JIH


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14637 times:

SAGA AIRLINES (first?) A310 left IST for delivery to Iran Air Tours- so is the A310 fleet fixed (I thought it was in long-term storage)?

TURKISH AIRLINES A330 EI-EZL will be only short leased for Hajj-ops or for long term lease? Which routes will it serve?

ex TURKISH AIRLINES A340 TC-JIK has been delivered to AIR BLUE Pakistan as AP-EDF; will we see the a/c soon on the ISB-SAW-MAN route?


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14577 times:

Hi Aydın;

When are we gonna see you on a 777?  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14572 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 14):
"kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application"

Thanks for that, just sounded strange.

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 16):
Hello folks, just flew the leg from CAN-IST today,

Longtime no see, thanks for the update.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14450 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 17):
ex TURKISH AIRLINES A340 TC-JIK has been delivered to AIR BLUE Pakistan as AP-EDF; will we see the a/c soon on the ISB-SAW-MAN route?

If I remember correctly, it will become a direct flight



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14362 times:

The title for 'Overall Carrier Of The Year' goes to Turkish Cargo at the Payload Asia awards in Singapore.

Link: http://www.payloadasia.com/article/i...awards-2012-winners-announced/7336

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 16):
China market seems to be booming we were full in Y class and had 25 B class, not bad for an A340

Nice to see you back; TK is perfectly positioned to offer various connections to the Chinese, especially with the expansion in Africa.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Full page ad from TK about an announcement on all TV channels at 9pm Turkish time and facebook at 8pm. Anyone has a guess ?

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14238 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):

A new order maybe?


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14212 times:

I've had a very busy summer, flying many short, medium and long haul routes. No matter what anyone says, I believe the A330 and 340 really is the backbone of turkish operations during the summer time, be it the high density europe flights, hadj or the transcontinentals. The narrow body guys have worked HARD this summer at TK to keep the schedule alive.

As far as Turkish aviation goes, we need regional and general aviation..without it, the safety of aviation in turkey will diminish. There needs to be a platform for young kids to gain experience before they hit up complicated airlines.



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):
A new order maybe?

Maybe to find shareholders for further privatization.


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14293 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22):

Full page ad from TK about an announcement on all TV channels at 9pm Turkish time and facebook at 8pm. Anyone has a guess ?


Most probably a marketing gimmick, like a new ad that involves Kobe Bryant and maybe Messi...

See: http://www.airnewstimes.com/thy-nin-...adigi-surpriz-ne-17581-haberi.html (Turkish)


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14315 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 24):

I totally agree about small scale aviation before working for TK.
I just did LGA-DEN last night on DL First.
After 4 flights of Comfort on TK I must have forgot this.
Totally calm, polite, confident 30 some young lady serving a full F section in 3.5 hours of flight.
Not missings a beat, refills, small talk, sming face, in charge.
And she had all the time to read her magazines also.
It is a flying culture that starts early. I am sure she started early with props in a local market first. And appreciates the big leagues.
Bahadir can comment on this one I am sure.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14255 times:

Yes Kobe was in Turkey two weeks ago so shoot a new commercial.


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14188 times:

TK-PIA cooperation rumor on again, lets see if its true, also TK interested in going daily to ISB and KHI, pending appproval.

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):

I also thought the same at first but they are using buzz words like pride and flying the flag so I am thinking it could be a cooperation - like with PIA - or a Turkish flag logojet!


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14162 times:

Here it is, no Kobe or Messi though...

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpCjspeUYY


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14084 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpCj...peUYY

I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud. Probably much better than a basketball star bouncing balls inside a plane.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14081 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):

I like it too, shame that it is in Turkish. Is there an English version? This is much better than that stupidity Wingo.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14028 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 33):

Unfortunately not as far as I can see. I can understand that, as the national anthem wouldn't ring any bells for most non-Turks.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14017 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):

liked it!



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User currently offlineTK748 From Turkey, joined May 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13956 times:

I definitely liked it.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 33):
Is there an English version?

music is national anthem
English translation;
We became an airline, flying to maximum number of countries in the world..
Pride for Turkey...
Pride for all of us...


User currently offlineada01 From Canada, joined Oct 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13896 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 19):
Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 14):
"kosmak" is the IT term used when you "run an application"

Thanks for that, just sounded strange.


Because it is strange. "Kosmak" can't be a legal Turkish IT term. It just can't be, well it shouldn't... but it's TR... anything can happen  

"run an application" can easily be translated as "Uygulumayi calistirmak".

In the job description it states "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak". I'm 101% sure they meant "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve calistirmak". In my opinion even Google Translate would do a better job.

You'd expect they could express themselves better in Turkish, however that job description is poorly translated from English. They went from 'poorly translated to English' to 'poorly translated to Turkish'. Amazing!

If the moto is "Globally Yours" they should really try harder to be "Globally Yours". In my opinion, TK is still having problems keeping up with their image. Especially on the language, technology, and customer service end. Buying new planes will not cut it. There are other areas crying for investment.

As much as I'm being critical, I'm proud of how far TK has come. Especially after experiencing flights with AC and AA.

My very first post after almost 2 years of wondering around on a.net. Well, I guess, Hello all  


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13857 times:

Quoting TK748 (Reply 36):
music is national anthem
English translation;
We became an airline, flying to maximum number of countries in the world..
Pride for Turkey...
Pride for all of us...

Cool, thank you for that. They certainly are the pride of Turkey, whoever I speak to they love Turkish Airlines and their generous meals! 
However more and more people are complaining about delays or lost luggage...


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13827 times:

Quoting ada01 (Reply 37):
"run an application" can easily be translated as "Uygulumayi calistirmak".

In the job description it states "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve koşmak". I'm 101% sure they meant "Uygulamaların birim testlerini hazırlamak ve calistirmak". In my opinion even Google Translate would do a better job.

You'd expect they could express themselves better in Turkish, however that job description is poorly translated from English. They went from 'poorly translated to English' to 'poorly translated to Turkish'. Amazing!

I work closely with the IT industry and "koşmak" indeed is used as a Turkish equivalent of "running" in this context. It might sound strange at first, but think of the weirdness of the original English expression as well, which also seems ridiculous. It is better than the monkey English version "run etmek" which I hear equally as often.


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud.

The ad aims for solidarity and the emphasis that we can all be proud of what TK has achieved so far. It is aimed at the Turkish public. They seem to have succeeded looking at the feedback. I do like it as well considering the purpose.

On a different topic. I was hoping to take the inaugural flight to SSH. But a change in my schedule means that I'm back with MS   No water cannons to salute....


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13505 times:

Its a cool commercial for the local market. TK I believe is the only airline in the world with a monopoly in its home country, with the market size of Turkey. If they are managed right they can be great.
It needs a major drama free Turkey, new airport, and decent management, the rest will follow.

Now imagine if they had airport capacity and the 10 years in the making WB order 



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User currently offlinevirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 32):
I have to admit I love this ad. It definitely doesn't appeal much to foreigners but indeed makes me proud. Probably much better than a basketball star bouncing balls inside a plane.


It gave me goosebumps! Probably the best ad for TK I've ever seen, but like you said it wont appeal to non-Turks.
Nevertheless, an ad to make one proud!

   TK

Just a note to all those not familiar with the music, its the Turkish national anthem played around the world.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13477 times:

I was reading some news and next to an article there was interesting commercial for ING. It wrote: 'Even more non stop destinations with Turkish Airlines. Therefore we arranged a $317million credit facility for 7 Boeing B737-900ER to expand their young fleet.'

User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

Quoting virgin744 (Reply 42):

There will be another ad filmed with Messi and Kobe, so it is not a big issue that this ad won't appeal for non-Turks.


User currently offlineada01 From Canada, joined Oct 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13488 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 39):
I work closely with the IT industry and "koşmak" indeed is used as a Turkish equivalent of "running" in this context. It might sound strange at first, but think of the weirdness of the original English expression as well, which also seems ridiculous. It is better than the monkey English version "run etmek" which I hear equally as often.

To be honest I'm shocked to find that out... I must agree with the fact it is indeed better than monkey English, but still it is weird very weird indeed. I would have problems adjusting if I ever get to work in Turkey  

Any idea if TK will fly to YVR anytime soon? Thanks to AC it's extremely expensive to fly to YYZ and take TK to Istanbul. Sometimes it's even cheaper to fly to LAX from YVR and take TK to Istanbul. Of course taking BA or LH is still the cheapest choice. I'm hoping to take TK to Istanbul for the xmas time.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13488 times:

Quoting ada01 (Reply 45):
Any idea if TK will fly to YVR anytime soon? Thanks to AC it's extremely expensive to fly to YYZ and take TK to Istanbul. Sometimes it's even cheaper to fly to LAX from YVR and take TK to Istanbul. Of course taking BA or LH is still the cheapest choice. I'm hoping to take TK to Istanbul for the xmas time.

I doubt longhaul expansion is planned in the imminent future, even EZE is waiting to be launched (and ATL has disappeared  ). Fingers crossed.

But yet more short haul, this time Malta, Krakow, Abha and Al-Qassim (both in KSA): http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...vestor_relations/special/2012.aspx


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13435 times:
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Interesting resign from Anadolu Jet. Sami Alan give resign letter to the management:
http://kokpit.aero/sami-alan-istifa-perde-arkasi

Onur Air sold to 265 million dollars:
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 46):
But yet more short haul, this time Malta, Krakow, Abha and Al-Qassim (both in KSA): http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in....aspx

Wow wow wow. TK still adding destinations with their NB fleet. But let's not forget that the WB fleet is still limited (12x77W, 8xA343, 10xA333,7xA332, total 37 aircraft). Big players like LH, BH and AF at least have 100 WBs. But after building a strong local / mid-haul network TK will not have problems at all filling that huge planes from the new airport. We will see TK serving 250-300 destinations. Rank list in terms of destination is as follows, according to Wikipedia:
1 United Airlines United States United States 371
2 Delta Air Lines United States United States 356
3 American Airlines United States United States 260
4 Air France-KLM FranceNetherlands France, Netherlands 230
5 Lufthansa Germany Germany 217
6 US Airways United States United States 206
7 Turkish Airlines Turkey Turkey 201
8 British Airways-Iberia United KingdomSpain United Kingdom, Spain 200
9 Qantas Australia Australia 182
10 Air Canada Canada Canada 180
I read somewhere that TK already operates the single hub with most destinations within europe. in 2 years max they will be the airline in europe to offer the most destinations by overtaking LH and AF/KL.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13427 times:
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Quoting ada01 (Reply 45):

Canada is a market TK needs to expand and YVR is a lso going to be a very productive one because of lack of flights from YVR to anywhere beyond FRA in the East in Eastern direction. However the Canadian government will be very difficult to convince to get this one approved. TK could not even get Toronto daily as of yet and the TK codeshare on AC domestic flights is still pending even if it was signed months ago.

The LH AC association is also another stumbling block because AC is not or will not codeshare the Canada IST leg and will continue to codehsrae their service from Turkey via Germany. AC codeshares MUC IST and MUC ESB flights operated by LH.

Last but not least opening of a Turkish Consulate General at Vancouver is intended and wll help the service materialize a great deal. The fact that AC is intending ex YVR international operation to a new AC LCC, will make this flight even more productive. The AC intention reminds me of TK's leaving ESB to Ajet and we all know the initial results.

TK should also try to create a round the world flight that means a service beyond LAX towards West. YVR may well be used for that too. i.e. IST YVR onward to Honolulu or any destination in the Far East where TK serves already to make a round the world operation that will also add prestige to TK with such diverse amount of destinations served by the airline. YVR offers the most number of destinations from any point in North America towards West/Pacific. A triangle flight between IST YVR and SEA may be another interesting option.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13308 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 49):
TK should also try to create a round the world flight that means a service beyond LAX towards West

Why? There is no airline anymore (except cargo) that is doing this.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13260 times:
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Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 50):

All major airlines are doing this on along with a partnership like BA with CX, AC with LH, etc. TK may do this with its own metal or along with a partner but there is no particular partner that TK has such extensive partnership ofr routes that involve a third country so it is a matter of commercial agreement.

The fact that TK is now gearing up from a regional airline to a global player, yes the round the world option has to kick in.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13287 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 51):
The fact that TK is now gearing up from a regional airline to a global player, yes the round the world option has to kick in.

there has to be an economic incentive to introduce this, right? with partners, it may be okay ... but why should TK commit its own metal (with only 37 widebodies as someone mentioned earlier) unless there is a CLEAR monetary gain? if you are suggesting, that it brings in prestige ... (which is important for a global player that TK wants to be) ... it has to wait until TK has better coverage of west pacific (east asia) and east pacific (west coast of north america) destinations ... and spare long haul aircraft.   


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 13256 times:

TK is not doing anything in Canada until the bilateral becomes more liberal.

TK has not even been able to go daily to YYZ yet. Next destination its eyeing is Montreal, but knowing how slow bilateral things work with Canada it might be years away.

Regarding a round-the-world service -- why    
This is not 1970 when airlines chased prestige and operated loss making service for the sake of bragging rights.

Anyhow today with alliances and all, a passenger can fly around the world under the Star, OW, or Skyteam banner already. No need for a single airline to have to operate all the sectors.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13098 times:

Apparently Pegasus is thinking about an IPO again for early 2013. Previously they had planned an IPO in 2011 but cancelled it due to the weak market.

Also the Pegasus aircraft order could be for up to 100 air frames.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...sible-ipo-100-single-aisle-aircraf

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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Air Berlin Turkey will replace Belair's flights between Antalya and Switzerland: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-flights-from-belair#disqus_thread

User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12597 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 39):
I work closely with the IT industry and "koşmak" indeed is used as a Turkish equivalent of "running" in this context.

I raise the BS flag on this one.. I have served in IT industry for 20 years.. no such term exists.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 54):
Also the Pegasus aircraft order could be for up to 100 air frames.

Airbus 320/321NEOs .. You heard it here first..



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12593 times:

Can anyone help me with flight loads of the following on Oct 9th on Turkish?
= TK1 IST-JFK
- TK7 IST - IAD
- TK5 IST - ORD

Thanks



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 56):

Ahem yes it does   You are saying I misheard from dozens of test engineers and project managers? It is even written in test descriptions and plans as that   you may not have heard of it being used but that doesn't make it incorrect.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12461 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 56):
I raise the BS flag on this one.. I have served in IT industry for 20 years.. no such term exists.

I'm sorry mate, but it is a frequently used term both in Turkish and English.



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12429 times:

On another note, TK has ordered 15 A330-300... Finally some new widebodies coming in 2014-2016.Somebody has already started a thread on it: Turkish Airlines To Buy 15 A330-300 (by Asiaflyer Oct 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12395 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 60):


That's fantastic news what about more 77W ?


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12389 times:
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Here you are some details about Turkish Airlines' A330-300 order... http://kokpit.aero/thy-15-a330-aliyor
It writes 777-300ER should be announced in November. Maybe after presidential elections?


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 60):
On another note, TK has ordered 15 A330-300... Finally some new widebodies coming in 2014-2016.Somebody has already started a thread on it: Turkish Airlines To Buy 15 A330-300 (by Asiaflyer Oct 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Finally... Sounds great. Most probably 8 of them will be replacement aircraft for ageing A343 fleet, and 7 will be for growth. Long term WB fleet will at least be
25 A333
5 A332 (2 leased A332s will be gone)
12 B77W
________
42 WB aircraft
With 60-70 WB aircraft TK will have a solid WB fleet. Exciting years are awaiting us.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27301 posts, RR: 60
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12235 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 60):
On another note, TK has ordered 15 A330-300... Finally some new widebodies coming in 2014-2016

Great news .

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 63):
Most probably 8 of them will be replacement aircraft for ageing A343 fleet

Will be good to have the newer product to phase the old one out.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 64):

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 63):
Most probably 8 of them will be replacement aircraft for ageing A343 fleet

Will be good to have the newer product to phase the old one out.

Now if they could refurb the 332s too...


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 65):

Now if they could refurb the 332s too...

When they ordered the A333 like 2 years ago they planned to use them on high demand european routes (at least this was reported). We know how things have changed. Maybe these A332s are perfect to be used on those routes (like LHR) in combination with newly launched routes where demand is still low (let's say like MLE).

Beside expansion in North America i am looking forward to the news on the SE Asian network. Maybe SGN will be direct and substituted with HAN via BKK. I think MNL and KUL will also be on the shortlist. What else?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12148 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
Need more 333/77W according to Kotil. I think we will hear that one first.

Great news to wake up to!
Congrats to Airbus and TK,


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12152 times:
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What is next after 15 A330-300 order?
http://kokpit.aero/thy-bundan-sonra-hangi-ucagi-alacak


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 68):

Thanks for all the news.
I don't get the notion that the 10 x 77W order has to wait for after the US elections. I am sure Boeing is open for business everyday in the business of selling airplanes.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 57):
Can anyone help me with flight loads of the following on Oct 9th on Turkish?
= TK1 IST-JFK
- TK7 IST - IAD
- TK5 IST - ORD

Thanks

I hope I am not too late. Here it goes:

TK 1 -- Y: 102% C: 78% U: 53%
TK 7 -- Y: 109% C: 55%
TK 5 -- Y: 95% C: 72%

Let me know if you need specific numbers..

Safe flight...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11936 times:

The A330-300 order is nice. Will finally allow the A340s to depart the fleet, while providing some growth.


Two recent comment from Temel Kotil caught my eye -

First he stated that today THY operates about 1,000 daily frequencies. He says since THY now serves over 200 destinations, it would be "natural to expand to increase frequency" with 2,000 daily flights being a good number.

He also stated THY needed more long-haul aircraft to "allow more flights to destinations to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Sao Paulo as well as locations in China and Japan."

Story:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/501f2...37-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28jqwSkI2

Quoting bahadir (Reply 56):
Airbus 320/321NEOs .. You heard it here first..

Would not surprise me, especially since I know you have contacts at PGS.

I heard CEO Sertac Haybat made mention that Airbus could deliver a NEO a couple years before Boeing could deliver the MAX. This could be a make or break point.

And speaking of Pegasus, I heard the government of Northern Cyprus wants PGS to step up its activities on the island.

[Edited 2012-10-08 12:53:58]


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11888 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 70):
TK 1 -- Y: 102% C: 78% U: 53%

Y= economy
C= business
U= comfort

Business sells better than Comfort, I wonder if this is true most of the time?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27301 posts, RR: 60
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11825 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 72):

I cant understand why Comfort is not more of a success. Poor advertising amongst the trade etc?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11587 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 71):
First he stated that today THY operates about 1,000 daily frequencies. He says since THY now serves over 200 destinations, it would be "natural to expand to increase frequency" with 2,000 daily flights being a good number.

You can't imagine how much I do agree, there's a huge potential for some markets, but unfortunately most of the times some markets can't get seats for some destinations because of being late booking markets, but still demand is there!



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 73):
I cant understand why Comfort is not more of a success. Poor advertising amongst the trade etc

The concept and product is great, but I have my own insight and see the following.

o From the first day the pricing model was not known. Its taken a long time to find what the appropriate pricing level is. You don't want to rob your own C class passengers by making it too affordable, but you also need to earn a good return for the cabin space lost compared to regular economy.
o Not very good marketing at the local level. THY still relies heavily on travel agent community overseas and frankly many did not know about the product. Its taken a while to catch on.
o IT issues - cabin was not bookable even on TK website initially and has had lingering listing issues in GDS. There continues to be issues with mixed itineraries when flights are combined that do not feature the class of service.
o Hopeless large cabin to start with. 63 seats is way too much compared to industry peers. I recall almost 3-years suggesting 30-36 seats being more appropriate to start with.
o Premium economy is still a relative new niche in the industry. The average consumer is still very unaware of the concept and its value.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11509 times:

Hey folks,
Is there any chance we see TK 739ERs to fly to Reykjavik or Tenerife??


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11504 times:

If THY did not have enough sports sponsorship's, now they are in the world of golf tournaments.

Here is Tiger Woods.



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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11448 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 72):
Business sells better than Comfort, I wonder if this is true most of the time?
Quoting OA260 (Reply 73):
I cant understand why Comfort is not more of a success. Poor advertising amongst the trade etc?

I was having a hard time getting booking in Comfort on the IST-JFK sector around the new year. Finally was able to book JFK-IST-DAC in early december and return on new years day. This will be my first Y+ experience ... the fares for Comfort aren't bad at all. $1500 vs $1800 (Y vs U)

of course, no Y+ on the DAC sector ... A332


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Ran across interesting comparison statistic on top airline seat capacity to sub-Saharan Africa during September 2012.

Airline / total monthly seats / change from 2011

Air France - 273,176 - (-2%)
Emirates - 187,874 - +12%
British - 154,710 (-1%)
KLM - 139,742 - (-5%)
Lufthansa - 84,002 - (-7%)
Brussels - 83,712 - +11%
Qatar - 51,314 - +21%
Turkish - 50,959 - +76%
Swiss - 25,952 - (-23%)
Iberia - 25,601 - +12%
Etihad - 22,691 - +44%


Essentially the big European players are seeing capacity declines, and the Gulf carriers along with THY are seeing the growth.

While THY has developed a large network in Africa, due to use of smaller aircraft its seat capacity share is not as big compared to peers whom utilize all widebodies to the region.



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User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 11194 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 76):

I really don't think so, why they should fly there? Both destinations are not even planned yet



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11050 times:
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QR sets to join One World Alliance in 2013 as officially announced in NY two days ago.

15 new destinations are added to One World network with ESB from Turkey included.

This only leaves Skyteam outsanding for ESB and let's hope either one of KL, AF or other members will launch flights from their hub to ESB soon.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10880 times:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/21671153.asp

TK CEO Kotil tells that 12 new routes will be opened in 2012.
We know:
Oct 17 Istanbul - Hurghada - Istanbul
Nov 24 Istanbul - Male - Istanbul
Dec 4 İstanbul – Kilimanjaro – Mombasa - İstanbul

This are 3 routes, 4 new destinations. Beside of rumours no further announcements, or did i forget something?

Also the loss because of B&H is quantified at 19.2 million USD.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10857 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 82):

TK CEO Kotil tells that 12 new routes will be opened in 2012.
We know:
Oct 17 Istanbul - Hurghada - Istanbul
Nov 24 Istanbul - Male - Istanbul
Dec 4 İstanbul – Kilimanjaro – Mombasa - İstanbul

This are 3 routes, 4 new destinations. Beside of rumours no further announcements, or did i forget something?

Also the loss because of B&H is quantified at 19.2 million USD.

Well, no official announcements of exact start dates or schedules but we've had quite a few announcements from TK regarding near-future destinations. I assume those with * to be most likely by year end... My guess only though.

Asmara*
Douala
Kharkov
Esfahan
Kermanshah
Constanta
Kütahya*
Libreville
Luanda*
Luxembourg
Marseille
Niamey*
Santiago de Compostela
Tallinn*
Ouagadougou
Vilnius*
Yaounde
Malta
Krakow
Al-Qasim
Abha
A Coruna
Abuja
Buenos Aires*
Kano
Atlanta
Manila


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10841 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 83):

That list is awesome; how about these?
Gence
Ulanbator
Osh
Aden
Nouakchott

My second question; TK is opening new routes but only one more 739ER left this year for delivery. TK will make up the difference with reduced freqs in other routes, or could we see more leasing?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10816 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 84):
That list is awesome; how about these?
Gence
Ulanbator
Osh
Aden
Nouakchott

My second question; TK is opening new routes but only one more 739ER left this year for delivery. TK will make up the difference with reduced freqs in other routes, or could we see more leasing?

Those already have been started so I discluded  

I think that with winter schedule TK will have reduced frequencies on some routes - esp Antalya, Bodrum, Dalaman - which might free up a few aircraft.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 85):

Thanks, I couldn't find them on the timetable, but could be a glitch.


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10788 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 85):

Also add FIH and JIB, already started..


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 83):

Puhhh, so many destinations coming, and fleet growing as well. Can IST handle this?? I mean this year IST will hit 45 million passengers with a growth of ca. 20% if we assume an average growth of 6 % only over the next 4 year (2013-2016), yearly pax would be 60 million. Can IST handle this? What is the physical / logistical limit? I know that terminal capacity is much less, but what about the runway capacities?


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10604 times:
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TAV says the capacity should be maximum 60 million. But I don't know exactly how will they handle it...

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 10527 times:

Not necessarily.
TK is not getting any more twin aisles the next few years (single aisles coming in but some other leaving the fleet), so we don't have to assume an average growth of 6% every year.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10470 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 90):
Not necessarily.
TK is not getting any more twin aisles the next few years (single aisles coming in but some other leaving the fleet), so we don't have to assume an average growth of 6% every year.

Don't the newly ordered 333s start to arrive in 2014? That is only 1.5 years away.


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Any news on expansion to India??

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4515 posts, RR: 72
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 90):
TK is not getting any more twin aisles the next few years (single aisles coming in but some other leaving the fleet), so we don't have to assume an average growth of 6% every year.
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 91):
Don't the newly ordered 333s start to arrive in 2014?

TK could easily open a couple of longhaul destinations tomorrow if it were to pull away some of the A333 capacity from the short and medium haul sectors to Europe and the Middle East and redeploy that capacity in the longhaul network. The airline does not need to wait until 2014 to make additions to the intercontinental network.

One may be very surprised at how little longhaul flying is carried out by the A333 fleet component.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

Sadly rumours of TK starting a service down to Australia either MEL or SYD via CGK seem to have dried up form their very confident beginnings earlier. With a significant Turkish population in both cities, plus increased tourism form Australia to Turkey (not to mention the endless connection possibilities from Australia's multi-cultural population), is there any chance that we could see TK in Australia within the next 5 years?

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 94):
Sadly rumours of TK starting a service down to Australia either MEL or SYD via CGK seem to have dried up form their very confident beginnings earlier. With a significant Turkish population in both cities, plus increased tourism form Australia to Turkey (not to mention the endless connection possibilities from Australia's multi-cultural population), is there any chance that we could see TK in Australia within the next 5 years?

Beaten to death... Without a plane that can fly nonstop this is not likely as it will be two-stop from Austraila to anywhere but IST. And IST can't sustain Australia traffic alone.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 96, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

About this Turkish Airlines World Golf final with Tiger Woods in Antalya....
Anyone knows if this prize money is coming from TK or some other sponsors?
By the way, it didn't make it to any sports news here in the US that Tiger was in Antalya playing golf.
http://www.golfandcourse.com/news/tu...ines-world-golf-final-prize-money/


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 97, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

Also TC-JDR, this years TK 332F joined the fleet.
Two more left; one in 2013 and another in 2014 to bring the total number of 332Fs to a total of 5 then.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

And 9 month traffic results for Turkish Airlines:

RPK

MidEast RPK 4876mn up 32%, pax 2477tsnd
Europe RPK 17101mn up 26%, pax 9829tsnd
FarEast RPK 13183mn up 26%, pax 2130tsnd
N. America RPK 6829mn up 56%, pax 779tsnd
Africa PRK 4052mn up 47%, pax 1253tsnd
S. America PRK 793mn up 17%, pax 75tsnd
Turkey RPK 7077mn up 11%, pax 11890tsnd

Total RPK 53910mn up 29% pax 28434tsnd

LF up from 72.5% to 77.9%

Source: http://www.turkishairlines.com/downl.../2012_BOLGESEL_TRAFIK_VERILERI.pdf

If it goes on like this, in terms of RPKs domestic region will be smaller than all other regions (except S. America) in no time.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

A bit late on responding to this but; Congrats to TK and Airbus or the order, I think its a great choice given the 340's are long on the tooth and gives a bit of capacity increase too. I am expecting a 777W top up a month or two after the US elections, the surprise in that order is a few 777L if it happens. Lets see.


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User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Can the 77L do IST-SYD or IST-MEL?


You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10225 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 70):
I hope I am not too late. Here it goes:

TK 1 -- Y: 102% C: 78% U: 53%
TK 7 -- Y: 109% C: 55%
TK 5 -- Y: 95% C: 72%

Let me know if you need specific numbers..

Safe flight...

Too late   I took KLM/DL IST-AMS-SEA. Didn't get bumped by DL crew but oh well.  

By the way, I love AMS.. It's an awesome airport and people are friendly .. Connections are breeze as well.
On the way to Turkey i transferred through CDG and it was a horrible experience.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 75):
The concept and product is great, but I have my own insight and see the following.

o From the first day the pricing model was not known. Its taken a long time to find what the appropriate pricing level is. You don't want to rob your own C class passengers by making it too affordable, but you also need to earn a good return for the cabin space lost compared to regular economy.
o Not very good marketing at the local level. THY still relies heavily on travel agent community overseas and frankly many did not know about the product. Its taken a while to catch on.
o IT issues - cabin was not bookable even on TK website initially and has had lingering listing issues in GDS. There continues to be issues with mixed itineraries when flights are combined that do not feature the class of service.
o Hopeless large cabin to start with. 63 seats is way too much compared to industry peers. I recall almost 3-years suggesting 30-36 seats being more appropriate to start with.
o Premium economy is still a relative new niche in the industry. The average consumer is still very unaware of the concept and its value.

Very good points. THY's website is still light years away from any 'modern' airline. I would like to see them upselling the product to comfort but their website functionality doesn't even allow a change of reservation. It sucks.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):

If THY did not have enough sports sponsorship's, now they are in the world of golf tournaments.

Here is Tiger Woods.

Tiger Woods and Kobe Bryant all sponsors for Turkish? We are Turkish Cheater Airlines , We are globally jerks :P
Then again It's Air France that has the "affairs class" :P



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10237 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 101):
I love AMS.. It's an awesome airport and people are friendly .. Connections are breeze as well.
On the way to Turkey i transferred through CDG and it was a horrible experience.

Totally agree.
I have done both too many times being a Delta Skymiles sucker.
AMS is awesome with those sleeper lounges upstairs, the museum, proximity of departures gates. I even spent a day in AMS just for the heck of it last year and had a great time.
CDG, never again. I missed my connection because of stupid going through security again BS. Had to wait 6 hours for the next flight to IST.

Now that TK flying 2-3 times non stop to IST, those days are over. Became a MileagePlus sucker!
Welcome back.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3021 posts, RR: 11
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 102):

Did you think about joining miles&smiles? Depending on you travel pattern and classes you may get to your *gold status much faster. Many friends of mine who are based in Germany and Switzerland did that and became Elite / Elite Plus very quickly; eventhough the majority of flights were not with TK (only 1-2 longhauls)


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 71):
New York

Can they really sustain more flights to New York? Or did he mention it just like that?


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 89):
TAV says the capacity should be maximum 60 million. But I don't know exactly how will they handle it..

What is the issue? Runway capacity. I noticed that reports on delays have been reduced due to the new runway regulations.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 83):
Malta
Krakow
Al-Qasim
Abha

Due to airporthaber, TK will launch these in the very near future. No schedule released yet. This will bring the number of destinations in Saudi Arabia to 8.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 103):
Did you think about joining miles&smiles?

Made to *silver already.
What would be the benefit of miles&smiles, as opposed to UAmileageplus?
Thanks.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 102):
Became a MileagePlus sucker!

Ha ha... I knew eventually you would give in on Skypesos.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 106):
What would be the benefit of miles&smiles, as opposed to UAmileageplus?

Well depending on how high you go on the program they do have some benefits like free lounge access, and easier last minute upgrades using miles. Also membership levels are valid for 2-years once you qualify. TK program also has a family program where members can pool miles which might be a neat feature for some.

However you probably need to weigh the benefits of MP since you reside in the US and are likely to take other domestic trips as well and can get United benefits like free upgrades also.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 96):
By the way, it didn't make it to any sports news here in the US that Tiger was in Antalya playing golf.

McIlroy and Tiger Woods are huge in golf but this is how much it mattered to New York Times. Not a word about TK sponsoring it;
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/sp...nd-tiger-woods-lose-in-turkey.html


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Turkish Airlines IT systems were hacked last week by a hacker group. From what I heard from the news, they went into the systems and downloaded passenger data. I think they hacked reservations/check-in systems. It is still not possible to do online check-ins from THY website.

I love THY, but what a shame!



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9116 times:

On a different note I flew IST-AYT-IST last week for a short day visit to Mediterranean cost of Turkey. Took Onur Air down and back. A321 on the way down and A306 on the way back. Little I knew that this was the only 306 left on Onur's fleet.
The airplane looked in good shape and reminded me my first ever 306 flight on LH FRA-IST many moons ago.

Of course it was much more comfortable compared to FedEx 306s that I used to take IND-SEA when I was based in IND.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3021 posts, RR: 11
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 9076 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 110):
On a different note I flew IST-AYT-IST last week for a short day visit to Mediterranean cost of Turkey. Took Onur Air down and back. A321 on the way down and A306 on the way back. Little I knew that this was the only 306 left on Onur's fleet.

indeed, it is the only one currently doing own ops; however, TC-OAA, TC-OAB, TC-OAO and TC-OAZ are still with SV and operating on wetlease.
I had also the pleasure to be onboard TC-OAH and fly AYT-IST (which is btw the most operated routed by this aircraft). It was a nice travel like in a time-machine.  


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 9042 times:

Journalism at its worst once again... When will Turkish media learn???

http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/39671...-havalimani-nda-buyuk-heyecan.aspx



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 109):
Turkish Airlines IT systems were hacked last week by a hacker group. From what I heard from the news, they went into the systems and downloaded passenger data. I think they hacked reservations/check-in systems. It is still not possible to do online check-ins from THY website.

I couldn't buy my JFK-IST-DAC ticket this morning - the payment site wouldn't go through.

Lost the Y+ reservation!!! Have made a new booking in Y ... but the Y+ price is gone!         


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 114, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 113):
I couldn't buy my JFK-IST-DAC ticket this morning - the payment site wouldn't go through.

Lost the Y+ reservation!!! Have made a new booking in Y ... but the Y+ price is gone!         

Because Turkish doesn't pull up its head from its head and get rid of this 3D crap that work with Turkish Banks.
My US credit cards are not accepted by THY.bomb site (Two visas and Amex) because it sends my authorization through IsBank network.

Globally not yours..

I would say contact customer service but they won't respond to you any way..



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 114):

Because Turkish doesn't pull up its head from its head and get rid of this 3D crap that work with Turkish Banks.
My US credit cards are not accepted by THY.bomb site (Two visas and Amex) because it sends my authorization through IsBank network.

Globally not yours..

I would say contact customer service but they won't respond to you any way..

The customer doesn't care why it doesn't work. And the IT is the cheapest compared to the expensive planes etc... I always book my flights through expedia or opodo. Sometimes they are even cheaper than the TK website. And you can use your credit card to book for others. We always had the issue that the credit card owner needs to present himself at the check-in counter. Don't know if it still works like that...


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 115):
We always had the issue that the credit card owner needs to present himself at the check-in counter. Don't know if it still works like that...

Although that is written on the webpages of most airlines, I never got problems with that. Last month, I had purchased three tickets (for others) with TK and three with XQ, no problem at all. To be sure that it won't be a problem, I give an authorization letter (always write the flight numbers and dates, names of the passengers etc) to these people together with a copy of my id card and signature.



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 114):
3D crap that work with Turkish Banks

bahadir, some of us are huge fans of the 3D secure processing  

seriously, it makes the purchase so much secure, I wish every website in the world did 3D secure processing.

Maybe TK website can make you select - if you are a non-Turkish banking customer, you may chose to go without 3D.

[Edited 2012-10-16 01:27:59]


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User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

On a completely different note, the commercial released a little while back with the national anthem that was met favourably seems to be an issue to one man.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.as...V3&ArticleID=1104232&CategoryID=77 (Turkish only)


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 8554 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 83):

Lahore too, infact was listed in their 2008 new destinations list but never came about, they are now seeking premission for it again.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 8550 times:

http://www.turizmtatilseyahat.com/thy-2013-yeni-hat-24118.htm

20 new routes in 2013. Net growth in number of aircraft at least 16, this means 8% growth in terms of number of aircraft.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 90):
Not necessarily.
TK is not getting any more twin aisles the next few years (single aisles coming in but some other leaving the fleet), so we don't have to assume an average growth of 6% every year.

I think due to higher frequencies flown by NB, the daily transported number of passengers should be in the same order as with a WB aircraft. This year IST grew 20%, this number will definitely not go down to 5 %. I bet on at least 12 %. This means 50 mio. pax/year in 2013.

On an other note it has been stated that planning on 3rd airport is much more difficult than expected. The ground seems to be a huge problem. That airport opening within 4 years is a fairy tale. Just impossible...


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 8545 times:

Can't they just build it on an island north of Istanbul? It seems to me that Turkey has the cash for it now.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 8540 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 120):
I think due to higher frequencies flown by NB, the daily transported number of passengers should be in the same order as with a WB aircraft. This year IST grew 20%, this number will definitely not go down to 5 %. I bet on at least 12 %. This means 50 mio. pax/year in 2013.

I bet you are correct.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 121):
It seems to me that Turkey has the cash for it now.

I doubt that.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 8537 times:

Off topic but does anyone know of this Turkish Tv Soap with characters named Belhul, Bither, Adnan, Nehal so on, its very popular in Pakistan nowadays being aired on cable translated in Urdu, title translated to "Ishq-e-Mamnoo or Forbidden Love", whats it called in Turkish?

User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

One of the new TK B739ERs had a tail strike on takeoff today, safely returned back, there is no major damage to the aircraft.


You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8465 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 120):
On an other note it has been stated that planning on 3rd airport is much more difficult than expected. The ground seems to be a huge problem. That airport opening within 4 years is a fairy tale. Just impossible...

Where'd you find out about this? Any link?
Not that I doubt you or anything I'm just curious to read more.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 114):
get rid of this 3D crap that work with Turkish Banks
Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 117):
bahadir, some of us are huge fans of the 3D secure processing

My Dutch bank does work with it also, and I'm happy with it  
Quoting 777way (Reply 123):
"Ishq-e-Mamnoo or Forbidden Love"

Aşk-ı Memnu  



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 122):
I bet you are correct.

 
Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 125):
Where'd you find out about this? Any link?
Not that I doubt you or anything I'm just curious to read more.

It's ok, you are right. Poor journalism if i hide the sources. Here it is:
http://www.ulasimonline.com/HAVA-YOL...i-projesinde-hesaplar-tutmadi.html


User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 124):

Here is the link for the tailstrike, The plane is on service, there is no problem it seems.

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...erleri/thy-ucagi-kuyruk-vurdu.html




Another interesting link, I wish it is not correct (sorry only in Turkish)
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...pilotluk-hayalleri-suya-dustu.html


[Edited 2012-10-17 03:10:55]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27301 posts, RR: 60
Reply 129, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 117):
bahadir, some of us are huge fans of the 3D secure processing  

seriously, it makes the purchase so much secure, I wish every website in the world did 3D secure processing.

Maybe TK website can make you select - if you are a non-Turkish banking customer, you may chose to go without 3D.

I like the 3D secure also and more and more airlines are using it these days . Of course its more for the proctection of TK as they can cut down on fraud but by default it gives the consumer more protection too.

Quoting 777way (Reply 123):
whats it called in Turkish?

Showing in Greece too and very popular :

http://www.antenna.gr/tv/peirasmos/


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 130, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

This weeks OAG thread shows Delta further delaying resumption of JFK-IST.

Was to return March 30, now pushed additional two months till May 24th.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 131, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 130):
Was to return March 30, now pushed additional two months till May 24th.

Ouch!

Maybe in a few months you can tell us hoe UA is doing on the route.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

My Cargo's second Boeing 747-400 (TC-ACG) has been painted into the company's new colors.


"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 133, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Thanks TK1244 and OA260.

Garuda Indonesia to begin code share service through Etihad to Istanbul.

MyCargo new livery looks great, glad the Yangtse River Express one is gone.

[Edited 2012-10-18 12:36:03]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 134, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 7534 times:

TC-JYH, 8th TK 739ER is being delivered today. I think one more this year, one more next year and 5 more in 2015.
Funny how time flies. We were asking why is it taking so long to deliver the first one, now it is a sizable fleet.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (2 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 129):
I like the 3D secure also and more and more airlines are using it these days . Of course its more for the proctection of TK as they can cut down on fraud but by default it gives the consumer more protection too.

just used it this morning with an amex card - worked flawlessly!

looking forward to my stopover in IST and non-stop flight to DAC


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 135):
looking forward to my stopover in IST and non-stop flight to DAC

Have a nice flight!



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7403 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

THY is on table with Boeing for 777's... Order is on the way....
http://kokpit.aero/thyde-ucak-pazarligi


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7180 times:

The guys in this thread
AI Offers 5 772LR For Sale (by LAXDESI Oct 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)
are talking about AI trying to get rid of 5 77Ls. Maybe they could fit nonstop IST-SYD ops. Someone said there, that this journey would be within the aircrafts' range. With this i think TK would offer one of the fastest connections, maybe even the fastest connection to Australia: many destinations in Europe are served very well and stopover time would be minimum. In case of smaller airports (e.g. NUE) that are not being served by the MEB3 or the Southeast asian airlines, TK could even offer the only 1-stop connection.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7182 times:

TK already looked at the AI 777LRs two years ago when they were using the Jet Airways 77Ws.

Problem was that AI was asking for non realistic pricing above then market rates. TK is a bargain hunter and is not going to pay over market valuation.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Turkish Airlines delegation last week visited Ioannina Greece with intention of commencing service in the coming year.

Apparently they have found a good deal of traffic on existing flights originate in the area along with across the border in Albania.

I believe TK would become the only non Greek/Cypriot airline with scheduled service at the airport.



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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 6788 times:

We are doing quite well at TK, I flew IST-ADB and back today in an A330-300 TC-JNE, we had 212 pax outbound and 201 inbound and that was one of at least 10 flights to izmir!


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

According to this article TK has decided to order 20 more 77W by 2017 the order is similar to the A333 spread out from 2014 to 2017 .I don't know if this is true as yet as i have checked Boeing's website nothing there yet ? If this order is true where's any future plans regarding A350 or B787 orders ? Maybe TK has decided these two types ( 77W 333 ) will do for now and for the near future ? Here is the link https://research.tdwaterhouse.ca/research/public/Markets/NewsArticle/1314-L5E8LM4JR-1

[Edited 2012-10-22 01:28:19]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 142):
According to this article TK has decided to order 20 more 77W by 2017 the order is similar to the A333 spread out from 2014 to 2017 .I don't know if this is true as yet as i have checked Boeing's website nothing there yet ? If this order is true where's any future plans regarding A350 or B787 orders ? Maybe TK has decided these two types ( 77W 333 ) will do for now and for the near future ? Here is the link https://research.tdwaterhouse.ca/research/public/Markets/NewsArticle/1314-L5E8LM4JR-1

Wow, indeed true story. Already on TK website: http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...vestor_relations/special/2012.aspx


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3021 posts, RR: 11
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Hamdi Topcu is talking about tranfering 5 aircraft to SAW. Any guesses about the destinations to be served besides the classic domestic fantastic-four: AYT, ESB, ADB, BJV?

http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=12905


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6374 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 144):
Hamdi Topcu is talking about tranfering 5 aircraft to SAW. Any guesses about the destinations to be served besides the classic domestic fantastic-four: AYT, ESB, ADB, BJV?

http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?p...12905

Adana? Trabzon? Diyarbakır?

By the way, Cameroon flights (Douala, Yaounde or both) may be announced soon; a CAA was recently signed according to this: http://www.investiraucameroun.com/tr...rvir-le-cameroun-des-decembre-2012


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 141):
We are doing quite well at TK, I flew IST-ADB and back today in an A330-300 TC-JNE, we had 212 pax outbound and 201 inbound and that was one of at least 10 flights to izmir!

The 08:00 AM flight out of IST has been a 332/333 for a good while now and almost always well booked... Talk about a cheap-short wide body route  



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineNuD38 From Germany, joined Jan 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 138):
Maybe they could fit nonstop IST-SYD ops. Someone said there, that this journey would be within the aircrafts' range.

IST-SYD 14956 km, B777-300ER range 14690 km. Only B777-200LR can do it with the range of 17,370 km. It would be great though!


User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5983 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

THY is cancelling the Comfort Class service:
http://kokpit.aero/thy-comfort-classi-kaldiriyor
According to the information, THY will order 2 class configuration on new 777 order....


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 149, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 141):

We are doing quite well at TK, I flew IST-ADB and back today in an A330-300 TC-JNE, we had 212 pax outbound and 201 inbound and that was one of at least 10 flights to izmir!

Wow that is really good. What kind of passengers are we talking about here? Are they transit or O&D?

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 144):

Haven't they announced Kiev some time ago?


Does anyone know what percentage of the domestic market Turkish holds?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 150, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 148):
THY is cancelling the Comfort Class service:

That is terrible news for the likes of me.
The best Economy Plus cabin, and TK couldn't make it work. Such a shame.

This deserves its own thread, if you don't mind.

[Edited 2012-10-23 09:44:33]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 151, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 149):
Does anyone know what percentage of the domestic market Turkish holds?

As of June was almost exactly 50%.

Internationally, THY has 47% market share.



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User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 148):

This is bad news for my family. My dad will be especially peeved. Damn.

He is not going to like going back to economy or paying for business class.

It was always packed whenever I took it.


User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 148):
THY is cancelling the Comfort Class service:

For the existing 777 fleet when will they start removing Comfort Class seats? Please keep us updated.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

I've never understood why they had such large Comfort Class cabins. It is a niche market that is slowly growing. They should have started with smaller ones, and expanded as popularity increases.

Sad news, IMO.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 155, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 151):
As of June was almost exactly 50%.

Internationally, THY has 47% market share.

Thank you.

Does anyone know how Pegasus' flights to Dubai are performing? Is the market big enough to handle Emirates, Turkish Airlines, flydubai and now Pegasus?


User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

I just heard that tailwind had a tailstrike one or two days ago. Does anyone know anything more??

User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 157, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5481 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

THY thinks to convert 777 fleet from 3 class to 2 class. But it's big investment. Maybe during the heavy check?

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 158, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 157):
THY thinks to convert 777 fleet from 3 class to 2 class. But it's big investment. Maybe during the heavy check?

What has changed from the moment they received the first 77W to now? Two years is too fast to come to this conclusion?
They had all the time in the world to test out their customer base when they had the 9W 77Ws and should have ordered seat configs accordingly.
It was too big of a section to start with, never got the marketing it deserved and I still think it is too soon to get rid of it.
People used it, like myself, are very happy. I have never heard anyone saying "I have flown Comfort class and I didn't like it"
People liked the value in Comfort Class.
If TK couldn't figure out how to make money on a product that people like, that is a shame.

-Make the Comfort class section smaller
-Charge more
-Or a combination of the two
-Or offer a watered down version. Less pitch, maybe 2-4-2

Maybe the real problem is, they realized that the J section is too small. Or Y is not enough seats during high season.

How about increase J by two rows, do it by reducing Y+ by 4 rows and go to a 3-4-3 on Y?
That would make; 42J, 35Y+ and 275Y. A total of 15 more pax from the current seatplan. Which could mean that TK doesn't have to move around Lavs or Galleys. To make things simpler, Comfort gets the same food and beverage service as Economy. I doubt people are flying Comfort class for the food. How about this?


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 159, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Can anyone check the loads on TK1/5/7/11 for me on the 27th please?


Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 160, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 158):
-Or offer a watered down version. Less pitch, maybe 2-4-2

I'll be perfectly fine with fewer seats to make rooms for more J/C seats. In fact, they can even bring this to A330s with 2-3-2 layout, plus shorter pitch, down to 38 in.

Food can be the same as Y, the key is catering to a small segment of passengers who are willing to pay a little more for space and being away from the masses.

BR (EVA Air) recently reduced PE seats (Elite) to make rooms for new J product (Royal Laurel) as well.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6937 posts, RR: 77
Reply 161, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 141):
We are doing quite well at TK, I flew IST-ADB and back today in an A330-300 TC-JNE, we had 212 pax outbound and 201 inbound and that was one of at least 10 flights to izmir!

TC-JNE is an A330-200.


PH



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User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

There has been a system outage in TK's flight planning system (Flywize?) since yesterday and lots of flights has been cancelled and all of them have huge delays. 2000 passengers were put into hotels. Planes are parked everywhere on the taxiways and every inch free in the airport.

TK IT department is not having good days this year.



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 163, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 148):
THY is cancelling the Comfort Class service:
http://kokpit.aero/thy-comfort-classi-kaldiriyor
According to the information, THY will order 2 class configuration on new 777 order....

Its B77W fleet new configuration once the Y+ cabin is taken out, is expected to be 28J + 354Y class seating a total of 392 passengers for the current B77W batch.

The new B77Ws it has ordered shall likely have a bigger J class cabin for the more higher yielding routes with J class demand such as Japan, China, JFK, HKG etc. This aircraft is expected to have 36J + 300Y class seats.


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 164, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 163):
Its B77W fleet new configuration once the Y+ cabin is taken out, is expected to be 28J + 354Y class seating a total of 392 passengers for the current B77W batch.

The new B77Ws it has ordered shall likely have a bigger J class cabin for the more higher yielding routes with J class demand such as Japan, China, JFK, HKG etc. This aircraft is expected to have 36J + 300Y class seats.

Interesting. Where are these 'expectations' coming from and more importantly, which routes go first?

Also, I thought the TK J was 2-3-2, so do you mean 35J?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 165, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 163):
Its B77W fleet new configuration once the Y+ cabin is taken out, is expected to be 28J + 354Y class seating a total of 392 passengers for the current B77W batch.

The new B77Ws it has ordered shall likely have a bigger J class cabin for the more higher yielding routes with J class demand such as Japan, China, JFK, HKG etc. This aircraft is expected to have 36J + 300Y class seats.

How do you actually get 36J+300Y from 28J+354Y? I know J seats take a lot of space, but in one extra row of 7-abreast J can you really fit 54 Y seats, 9 abreast? That is 6 rows.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 166, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 163):
Its B77W fleet new configuration once the Y+ cabin is taken out, is expected to be 28J + 354Y class seating a total of 392 passengers for the current B77W batch.

The new B77Ws it has ordered shall likely have a bigger J class cabin for the more higher yielding routes with J class demand such as Japan, China, JFK, HKG etc. This aircraft is expected to have 36J + 300Y class seats.

I guess the numbers don't add up. By the way, is there a source for this info?


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 167, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Allow me to clarify:

In the current TK configuration of Y+, each row has a 46 inch seat pitch offering 63 seats in total amongst 9 rows of seats. This equates to 46 x 9 = 414 inches worth of spare space available for more Y class seats.

Each Y class seat row has a seat pitch of 32 inches so 414 / 32 equals = 13 rows however for realistic purposes take out one row as there are always some hiccups when reconfiguring so 12 rows x 9 seats per row = 108 seats + current 246 equals 354 in economy and business remains the same at 28 hence total 392. This investment would cost approx $ 750,000 - $ 1.25 million per aircraft

I have not forecasted more J class seats being added because it would result in the galley way and aircraft cabin layout being heavily modified which would cost in the region of $ 5 million per aircraft for modification purposes. Hence I do not forsee TK wasting this much money on their current batch of B77Ws especially since some of their routes in summer/winter season + Hajj/Umrah need the extra Y class seating capacity for additional revenue generating purposes. Having a 392 seater B77W is ideal also for year round operations long haul flights to BKK/JNB/YYZ/LAX etc where the demand for J class is not that high but in Y it is plus with the increased capacity, it helps to bring down the cost per seat unit big time.

Now with regards to the 36J/300Y figure of mine. I am forecasting that with the new B77Ws to be delivered from 2014-15 onwards that TK will also in turn be introducing an updated J class product with a 2-2-2 seating layout hence 6 rows of J class seats x 6 per row equals 36. I am saying this as airlines tend to upgrade their premium cabin products every 5 years on average. Having a 2-3-2 cabin is not ideal in premium class these days. Yes I know EK and a couple of others have it too but passengers in this cabin want to have direct access to the aisle and I reckon TK shall follow suit accordingly.

Currently TK has 28J class seats so adding 8 more i.e. +30% only is a fair enough forecast of mine for their increased level of demand for their J class cabin seats within the next 3 years.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 168, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 167):

OK, I see that this is only "your opinion", nothing official.
I hope you are wrong and TK keeps a smaller Comfort section and introduce the product throughout the 77W/333/332 fleet.

I would like to make few points with either scenario;
-I do not see TK going to 2-2-2 in J.
-Extra 108 seat will require more lavs, gally space, FA's and such, so 108 number is too high.
-AFAIK TK rarely sends 77W fleet to Hadj and configuring aircraft to high density for only a few months a year doesn't make sense for TK.
-Cost of new seats might be less for TK since they own a company that manufactures seats.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4475 posts, RR: 12
Reply 169, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4184 times:

TK cancels US East Coast flights due to hurricane Sandy, today and probably tomorrow,
Any idea if these planes now parked at IST or SAW or being used in other routes?
Thanks.
By the way, the streets are empty here in NYC, wind gusts are pretty strong, going up to 90mph this afternoon. Scary stuff!


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Ahm, what is this:
http://t24.com.tr/haber/istanbula-ya...ninin-haritasi-ortaya-cikti/216196
They show a map of the 3rd airport in istanbul. Is this official?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 171, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Yes I think so.

ATW had a story this week saying the government was proceeding and the first phase should be complete by 2016 offering capacity of 100 million, and a follow up phase for up to 150 million in 2023.

Initial cost was supposed to be double digit billion dollars and be one of the biggest private investments ever in Turkey.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2771 posts, RR: 6
Reply 172, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

The two white runways on the left are for future expansion, right? Isn't 2016 a bit too optimistic especially taking into consideration they have not started any work on the airport?

User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 173, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 172):
Isn't 2016 a bit too optimistic especially taking into consideration they have not started any work on the airport?

It is not optimistic, it is a miracle   

We, Turkish people are notorious for doing no pre-planning and then working hard to complete things with unforeseen problems on the way. I dont recall a single large urban construction in Turkey which didnt take twice the time initially planned.



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User currently offlineTK748 From Turkey, joined May 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 174, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Involved as designer in more than ten airport projects in Turkey, Russia and Middle East, I can easily say that, it is possible to built two runways with air-side facilities and the 50+ million passengers airport building in three years for an experienced group. There are experienced professionals, and equipments in Turkey for such a big project, but I doubt about the financing of two digit billions. I do not care about the geotechnical conditions, we did runways on muddy grounds.
But my figures are for construction. Other establishments (catering, cargo, transportation and maintenance facilities etc.) may take extra time to finalize the the airport for operation.

Here are figures for some of the previous projects;
Ankara 10 million passengers airport building two years for construction,
Enfidha airport 40 million passengers airport building, and air-side facilities including runways, 28 months for construction and operation,