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MAN News 47  
User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 205 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26424 times:

I wanted to post in 46 but it seems to have been closed.

I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.

Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?

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User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26088 times:

Not sure if I trust Wikipedia too much, but it's suggesting that MAN is getting 2 further new routes for Summer 2013:

FR to NCE from the 11/03/13

and

AC to YYZ from the 01/05/2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Airport

Can anyone confirm if these are true?


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 26056 times:

CX has MAN in its plans again but not till 2015/2016 when they will send the A350. Subject to change obviously!

User currently offlinempsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26027 times:

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 1):

Air Canada is only weeks away from launching a new low cost carrier and it is widely rumoured but not confirmed that YYZ to MAN is one of the European destinations.

http://www.thestar.com/business/arti...to-launch-low-cost-carrier-in-2013

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...012/09/19/air-canada-low-cost.html

As I travel to MAN a couple of times per year, I welcome the addition of another option.


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25887 times:

It would be great to see AC at MAN

Would its low cost subsidary be operating long haul routes?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25804 times:

Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.

The only other early rumor is the news of JAL to Japan in conjunction with BA's new 'JSA' using 787 aircraft!

as we come into the winter timetable 2013 is looking rather shaky at the moment.



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinealanelrfc From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25781 times:

New control tower is due for final completion and operation around May 2013


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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 25347 times:

Good to see menzies wearing BA uniforms in T3 now

Look so much more professional that servisair!


User currently offlinecx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 25209 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.

CX isn't a rumour. MAN was listed in a PowerPoint presentation I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 25153 times:
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Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.

Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:

"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.

No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 24982 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 9):
Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.

Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:

"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.

No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.

The intention is to make it non-stop and the A350 with it's low operating costs with enable that. Correctly or not, at the moment the company have decided that the yields and loads are such that it is not profitable. Remember, the figure you quoted is an annual travel figure no doubt with many passengers concentrated around Christmas, Easter, Summer holidays etc. CX might struggle to fill an aircraft at other times of the year.

In addition to all this is that we are chronically short of pilots and any expansion must take this into account. Also the company did not make a profit so far this year and we have cut back on services to North America not because they are not doing well but because they need to pull the 777-300ERs off the routes to be able to send them to Europe to replace the now-inefficient 747-400. 2013+2014 will be about replacing the remaining 747-400s to Europe and restoring those frequencies to North America when more 777-300ERs arrive. When the next longhaul destination is launched, it will be EWR because of the high yields New York provide - higher than MAN.

By end of 2013, all four CX LHR flights will be 777-300ERs. With the addition of a 5th LHR sector unlikely for the time being because of slots, it makes launching MAN the next logical step, especially when you have gone to 4x 777s a day to LHR from 3x 744s (Big loss of seatcount).

CX's policy towards new destinations has always been to only launch when they are confident of profit from almost day one. This does mean that many destinations which are probably viable, are missed out until demand grows to such levels that profitability is assured!! This is changing however and the CEO has said that we must take a "launch it and see" attitude to new destinations now. We will have to wait and see whether MAN is one of those wait and see places!


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 24173 times:
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Looks like BE will be operating for AY from 28th October as they're taking on 12 E190s and operating 14 routes. MAN not mentioned but did dummy booking and "AY2934"/"AY2933" came up with in italics "operated by Flybe"

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2933 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24098 times:

Looks like 2 cargo operators will have MAN schedules by April '13. One is new, the other has had a presence before.

Possibility of a couple more.

Look east for ideas.  

Rgds



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24097 times:
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Hazarding Air China for one. EVA Air for the other.

User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined Nov 2009, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 23793 times:

U2 expanding further by the looks of it, to VCE / AYT / JMK / JTR starting in Feb:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/16/u2-man-feb13/



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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23756 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Thread starter):
I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.

Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?

I have heard a couple different suggestions for the re-use of the control tower once the new one is opened. I understand that the condition of the office building on which the tower rests is in poor condition and would need a reasonable amount of investment if it were to be converted to alternative uses. The two primary uses I have heard discussed are:

1) Refurbish the old building and convert to office space for airport tenants (freeing up space in the terminal buildings) and other third parties, boosing airport property revenues.

2) Remove the building as a precursor project to support the eventual linking of Terminals 1 and 3 and construction of a consolidated departure hall. This would be driven primarily by the need to provide additional capacity in Terminal 3, which could be required if the airport begins to return to the traffic levels experienced during its peak in 2005-06. The particulars of how the terminals could be linked together is something under study at present.


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23099 times:

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...rbus-a340-operation-to-manchester/

Quote:
Pakistani carrier airblue starting 27NOV12 will begin Airbus A340 operation on Islamabad – Manchester service, providing 4 weekly nonstop flights. The A340 is configured in all-Economy Class 328 seats.

Currently the carrier operates Airbus A319/320 aircraft with an intermediate stop in Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen, which will be cancelled when it converts service to nonstop. Schedule:

PA220 ISB1400 – 1900MAN 343 x146
PA221 MAN2100 – 1110+1ISB 343 x146

Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?


User currently offlineboysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 22947 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 16):
Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?

Well there was another thread on here about a month ago reporting that PK were stopping a number of European destinations including MAN but that they would keep OSL for example. It seemed a pretty strange decision in my opinion (stopping MAN) but it was to do with an allinace between PK and TK. Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 22475 times:

Does anyone have any info as to why yesterday's Monarch flight from Dubrovnik ZB1355 is currently showing as nearly 25 hours late? I'm coming back from DBV next Thursday and serious can't afford such a massive delay! Have ZB been struggling with maintenance this summer?

Quoting boysteve (Reply 17):
Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!

Hopefully there's room for both. I was recently talking to a bloke in a Pakistani travel agent/general store in Oldham who told me that PA offered a far better product.


User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21962 times:

BA service to/from LGW is to be dropped from the 31/03/2013.

Not sure if either BE or EZY will take up the service from the start of the Summer season?


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21721 times:

FR to add 5 new routes out of MAN and a further 2 out of LPL.
Routes out of MAN will be: CFU, KRK, ACE, PFO and Trapani. http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...pool-routes.html?news_section=4148
All being added in time for next summers schedule.

[Edited 2012-10-31 05:04:57]


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User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21658 times:

I expect a few more from none based aircraft too. Nice to see the route count growing


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21208 times:
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There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?

User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21039 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 22):
There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?

On other forums/sites there seems to be murmurs of a CX route. 6 weekly on an A343. Whether this is true or not I don't know, I'm just the messenger on what I've seen elsewhere  


User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20894 times:

Air Blue has announced a 4 times weekly schedule between MAN and LHE starting on the 27th November.

http://www.airblue.com/index.asp

MAN / LHE 2200 / 1210+1 -23-5-7
LHE / MAN 1330 / 1900 -23-5-7

Flights will be operated on their A340 aircraft.


25 danfearn77 : Nice. Be manic some days then! Isn't that the same day the A340 starts on the ISB route too? Quite short notice it has to be said.
26 mainMAN : Sorry folks, LHE is a connection at ISB. It's not a dedicated flight. Have a look at their schedules from 27th Nov.
27 david_itl : TP is talking of launching FNC-MAN and, in quite a rare move for a MAN route, is saying most passengers on it's LIS service are point-to-point so are
28 Post contains links david_itl : The almost annual story of MAN's wish list has appeared today in the Evening News. Had an idle 30 minutes and trawled this from their archive: General
29 Mattuk : The MAN airport arrivals page is listing flight TOM9730P from Seattle (Boeing Field Int'l) scheduled to arrive 06:15 (Due 05:50). Does anyone know if
30 neothearmal : The 787 is not due till next year. It would probably be a new 737-800
31 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Volga-Dnepr had an Antonov An-124 at MAN yesterday managed to catch a few pics of it when it departed: P1000097 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr P1000100
32 EagleBoy : And I would hazard a guess that the delivery flight number on that occasion might be TOM787P
33 MANmatt : It's G-TAWK, their latest B737-800. 1st B787 is due in January next year with one each in Feb and March also.
34 dazbo5 : It's a Boeing 737-800 (G-TAWK) in the Dreamliner livery. Darren
35 Post contains links Mattuk : EZY have announced another based aircraft for MAN this morning. New routes to Moscow (4 weekly), Prague and Thessaloniki. http://menmedia.co.uk/manche
36 mainMAN : MAN really is becoming a linchpin of U2's network, and v.v. Flights will be to DME, which is good because it's well served by rail to central Moscow.
37 david_itl : Pity no-one checked and saw Aeroflot flew to Moscow for 10 years or so from 1987. You'd have thought that whilst twiddling their thumbs waiting for th
38 Post contains images blueshamu330s : It was a pseudo-charter operation though, where you could only book via aeroflot themselves and get hand written tickets from them (have one myself).
39 Post contains links mainMAN : Lufthansa going from strength to strength, including MAN - TXL http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...ufthansa.html?news_section=273985#
40 Post contains links david_itl : This comment put forward by the Northern Economic Futures Commission popped up in the Independent earlier this week in which MAN is proposed as the 2n
41 Post contains images LGWflyer : Some great pics, thanks for sharing!
42 817Dreamliiner : Thanks alot!
43 Boysteve : I see that EK017 (DXB - MAN) is diverted today to MUC 'due to operational reasons'. Flightradar24 shows that it left DXB via a normal route up over Ba
44 david_itl : Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30
45 bigorange : Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.!
46 david_itl : At long last, the details of the U2 service to Moscow are available: Sundays & Wednesdays: EZY1871 MAN 0740 DME 1435 EZY1872 DME 1515 MAN 1625 Mon
47 mainMAN : [quote=bigorange,reply=45]Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.![/quot MAN is as organised as any other UK airport, in so far as it can only respond t
48 david_itl : Rarish div from LHR expected - a SK A321. Fog at LHR but most getting in, though a few divs gone to Europe!
49 Danfearn77 : DL have confirmed the ATL route to be upgraded to the A332 from the 30th March.
50 LJ : Manchester will get a direct link with Den Helder (DHR) as one of FlyBe's Manchester - Norwich will be extended to Den Helder as of March 4th.
51 LN-KGL : LJ, I would say it's a one-stop link. A flight in to DHR is perfect if want to take the Dokter Wagemaker or the old school Schulpengat to let's say vi
52 david_itl : LH 747 on it's way to MAN - should be here around 7.45pm. Going to Air Livery as it' been stated that they've got the contract now with the LH Hamburg
53 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : D-ABVZ, should be on the ground around 1930 as it's just steaming past Brugge. First of many. Rgds
54 LN-KGL : I suppose it's D-ABVZ (DLH9922) that is now crossing over from Brugge david_itl Edit: Victor Zulu is now parked at stand 86[Edited 2012-12-16 11:47:46
55 david_itl : TP schedule for the summer has been revealed: 10 weekly all to LIS. Now can MAN still say this is an under-served route?
56 LN-KGL : With 6 weekly A320, 3 weekly F100 and 1 weekly A321 LIS may well be off the list of underserved destinations.
57 lisbonbearuk : I'd be interested to know if TP are feeding passengers through Manchester onto other STAR carriers like SK, who don't serve LIS directly. Any ideas th
58 BlueShamu330s : Sundays. Rgds
59 Danfearn77 : I believe Sunday is the day that the A321 will operate for TP. Could be wrong though.
60 hohd : For all talk of about expansion at MAN, is there any future for routes to India, especially DEL. The gulf carriers have cornered the market, but no ai
61 cipango : Manchester has a very large Indian population, and even though the gulf carriers offer many indirect flights, I do think MAN can support a direct fli
62 Post contains links mpsrent : Unfortunately MAN didn't get selected for the launch of Air Canada's new low cost leisure carrier "Rouge". http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/rouge.htm
63 SK736 : Excellent news! My business will always go to an airline that offers 2-3-2 or 2-4-2 rather than the dreaded 3-3 arrangement on a 757!
64 gkirk : EgyptAir starting 5 x weekly MAN-CAI with 738s apparently
65 cipango : Starting June 1st Apparently. Not one I saw coming but Egyptair has a decent amount of Connecting Traffic from CAI so this may do quite well. Anyone
66 david_itl : Another of the Star Alliance carriers joining the party. Europe: Lufthansa, Turkish Airlines, Air Portugal, Swiss, SAS, Brussels Airlines, Adria Asia:
67 david_itl : Having a play around the November provisional passenger statistics - there are 115 scheduled international routes altogether. From that 4 routes were
68 col : SQ looks like they are reducing 380 flights to LHR to two per day, knocking off the morning SIN departure. It is being replaced by a 77W, my favorite
69 BMED : Manchester always seems to appear very steady with their growth of routes and airlines. Just a shame that Bournemouth airport within the MAG group has
70 Post contains links david_itl : Joke article about EK/QF link-up: BHX is labelled a London airport GLA is labelled hub airport for the north of Britain MAN dismissed with a line abou
71 david_itl : MAN-CAI now showing on the timetable section of the MAN website. One day the route may be officially revealed.... but knowing MAN, they won't market t
72 Post contains links by738 : Seems its appeared elsewhere earlier http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/12/...to-manchester-and-toronto-in-june/
73 david_itl : Prices start at £379 return - I did a dummy booking on Expedia
74 david_itl : MS now bookable on thier website. Slowest route launch ever?
75 lisbonbearuk : Sounds like a Biman...I'll be surprised if it comes off.
76 ThomasCook : Hi, What is the story with US Airways today? I see they have had what is seemingly a ferry flight (US9010) which arrived just after midnight to pickup
77 Post contains links Mattuk : EY reporting strong performance at MAN http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...tihad-airways-top-ten-destinations
78 Post contains links david_itl : 2 weeks after the schedule was revealed, we finally have the MS press release.
79 spiplane : Noticed that last Sunday (13th of January) there were 3 Eastern Airways flights from Aberdeen scheduled within the hour. Any specific reason for this?
80 rutankrd : Football match related (Small contest between the regional red shirted mino's i am lead to believe !) in addition there were visits by an Aer Lingus
81 david_itl : December's provisional passenger stats are out: The two main connecting hubs: MAN-LHR = 60179 pax (down 9.7%). I have ignored the small number of char
82 mainMAN : In January, UA to IAD operates 4 days a week ( I don't know about December), so 5529 is encouraging. I've been periodically looking at fares to New Y
83 david_itl : Snow ahead - 5 inches forecast for Greater Manchester on Friday. Expect delays and the airport to be closed for a large stretch of time
84 rutankrd : Aegean are expected to join the merry band of *A scheduled carriers this summer (Previous operations were summer charters and these continue) Schedule
85 Mattuk : A lot of weather diversions in tonight. So far there has been: LH3420 Berlin BA555 Rome LX424 Zurich BA899 Tripoli BA198 Mumbai BE434 Hannover SK2535
86 david_itl : Strike out EK37 and BA198 - they made it to BHX and LHR respectively. EK held for around an hour!
87 Post contains links david_itl : MAG has bought STN for £1.5 billion with the shareholdings now 35.5% Industry Funds Management of Australia, 35.5% Manchester City Council and the re
88 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : PK are to transfer the PK711 (KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK), PK721 (KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK) and PK723 (LHE-MAN-JFK) flights to SNN as rumoured: http://www.piac.aero/cms/t
89 FaddyPainter : Is there a problem at MAN atm? A number of a/c holding and Air Malta 319 and Air France 320 appear to be heading south possible BHX. EK and LX still h
90 rutankrd : Snow flakes falling !
91 icelander : This is probably not the right place to ask, but I am hoping (considering the thread topic) that someone here might have the info I am looking for. I
92 Post contains links rutankrd : Contact the author of this site they will almost certainly have the answer http://www.ringwaypublications.com/movements/
93 icelander : Thankyou rutankrd!!!! and also a big THANKYOU to the great guy(s) at Ringway Publications. Regards, Mark.
94 LuftyMatt : I heard from a friend who works at the airport, that CX cargo will be using a 748 on at least once a week from April. Possibly a Wednesday, but I'm no
95 Post contains links Ant72LBA : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21221828 HS2 coming to MAN. Route a little different to what some websites had been speculating.
96 Boeing74741R : More specifically, the HS2 station will be located between Junctions 5 and 6 of the M56 on the other side of the motorway with the access road being
97 Boysteve : Yeah the location is a bit weird, but I guess with Airport City being built and allowing for car parking areas there not be much space closer to the t
98 Post contains images spiplane : This morning I saw the F50 of the new Belgian airline Vizion Air arrive an Manchester. Presumably a charter flight, any details known? Paul
99 rutankrd : Its operating for Aurigny on the Guernsey flights
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