Air Canada is only weeks away from launching a new low cost carrier and it is widely rumoured but not confirmed that YYZ to MAN is one of the European destinations.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22650 times:
Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.
The only other early rumor is the news of JAL to Japan in conjunction with BA's new 'JSA' using 787 aircraft!
as we come into the winter timetable 2013 is looking rather shaky at the moment.
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 22054 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5): Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.
CX isn't a rumour. MAN was listed in a PowerPoint presentation I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21998 times:
Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8): I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:
"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.
No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.
CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21827 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 9): Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:
"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.
No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.
The intention is to make it non-stop and the A350 with it's low operating costs with enable that. Correctly or not, at the moment the company have decided that the yields and loads are such that it is not profitable. Remember, the figure you quoted is an annual travel figure no doubt with many passengers concentrated around Christmas, Easter, Summer holidays etc. CX might struggle to fill an aircraft at other times of the year.
In addition to all this is that we are chronically short of pilots and any expansion must take this into account. Also the company did not make a profit so far this year and we have cut back on services to North America not because they are not doing well but because they need to pull the 777-300ERs off the routes to be able to send them to Europe to replace the now-inefficient 747-400. 2013+2014 will be about replacing the remaining 747-400s to Europe and restoring those frequencies to North America when more 777-300ERs arrive. When the next longhaul destination is launched, it will be EWR because of the high yields New York provide - higher than MAN.
By end of 2013, all four CX LHR flights will be 777-300ERs. With the addition of a 5th LHR sector unlikely for the time being because of slots, it makes launching MAN the next logical step, especially when you have gone to 4x 777s a day to LHR from 3x 744s (Big loss of seatcount).
CX's policy towards new destinations has always been to only launch when they are confident of profit from almost day one. This does mean that many destinations which are probably viable, are missed out until demand grows to such levels that profitability is assured!! This is changing however and the CEO has said that we must take a "launch it and see" attitude to new destinations now. We will have to wait and see whether MAN is one of those wait and see places!
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21020 times:
Looks like BE will be operating for AY from 28th October as they're taking on 12 E190s and operating 14 routes. MAN not mentioned but did dummy booking and "AY2934"/"AY2933" came up with in italics "operated by Flybe"
neveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20603 times:
Quoting liverpoola380 (Thread starter): I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.
Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?
I have heard a couple different suggestions for the re-use of the control tower once the new one is opened. I understand that the condition of the office building on which the tower rests is in poor condition and would need a reasonable amount of investment if it were to be converted to alternative uses. The two primary uses I have heard discussed are:
1) Refurbish the old building and convert to office space for airport tenants (freeing up space in the terminal buildings) and other third parties, boosing airport property revenues.
2) Remove the building as a precursor project to support the eventual linking of Terminals 1 and 3 and construction of a consolidated departure hall. This would be driven primarily by the need to provide additional capacity in Terminal 3, which could be required if the airport begins to return to the traffic levels experienced during its peak in 2005-06. The particulars of how the terminals could be linked together is something under study at present.
Quote: Pakistani carrier airblue starting 27NOV12 will begin Airbus A340 operation on Islamabad – Manchester service, providing 4 weekly nonstop flights. The A340 is configured in all-Economy Class 328 seats.
Currently the carrier operates Airbus A319/320 aircraft with an intermediate stop in Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen, which will be cancelled when it converts service to nonstop. Schedule:
boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19795 times:
Quoting mainMAN (Reply 16): Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?
Well there was another thread on here about a month ago reporting that PK were stopping a number of European destinations including MAN but that they would keep OSL for example. It seemed a pretty strange decision in my opinion (stopping MAN) but it was to do with an allinace between PK and TK. Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!
mainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19323 times:
Does anyone have any info as to why yesterday's Monarch flight from Dubrovnik ZB1355 is currently showing as nearly 25 hours late? I'm coming back from DBV next Thursday and serious can't afford such a massive delay! Have ZB been struggling with maintenance this summer?
Quoting boysteve (Reply 17): Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!
Hopefully there's room for both. I was recently talking to a bloke in a Pakistani travel agent/general store in Oldham who told me that PA offered a far better product.
HullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17887 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 22): There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?
On other forums/sites there seems to be murmurs of a CX route. 6 weekly on an A343. Whether this is true or not I don't know, I'm just the messenger on what I've seen elsewhere
MAN / LHE 2200 / 1210+1 -23-5-7
LHE / MAN 1330 / 1900 -23-5-7
Flights will be operated on their A340 aircraft.
25 danfearn77: Nice. Be manic some days then! Isn't that the same day the A340 starts on the ISB route too? Quite short notice it has to be said.
26 mainMAN: Sorry folks, LHE is a connection at ISB. It's not a dedicated flight. Have a look at their schedules from 27th Nov.
27 david_itl: TP is talking of launching FNC-MAN and, in quite a rare move for a MAN route, is saying most passengers on it's LIS service are point-to-point so are
28 david_itl: The almost annual story of MAN's wish list has appeared today in the Evening News. Had an idle 30 minutes and trawled this from their archive: General
29 Mattuk: The MAN airport arrivals page is listing flight TOM9730P from Seattle (Boeing Field Int'l) scheduled to arrive 06:15 (Due 05:50). Does anyone know if
30 neothearmal: The 787 is not due till next year. It would probably be a new 737-800
31 817Dreamliiner: Volga-Dnepr had an Antonov An-124 at MAN yesterday managed to catch a few pics of it when it departed: P1000097 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr P1000100
32 EagleBoy: And I would hazard a guess that the delivery flight number on that occasion might be TOM787P
33 MANmatt: It's G-TAWK, their latest B737-800. 1st B787 is due in January next year with one each in Feb and March also.
34 dazbo5: It's a Boeing 737-800 (G-TAWK) in the Dreamliner livery. Darren
35 Mattuk: EZY have announced another based aircraft for MAN this morning. New routes to Moscow (4 weekly), Prague and Thessaloniki. http://menmedia.co.uk/manche
36 mainMAN: MAN really is becoming a linchpin of U2's network, and v.v. Flights will be to DME, which is good because it's well served by rail to central Moscow.
37 david_itl: Pity no-one checked and saw Aeroflot flew to Moscow for 10 years or so from 1987. You'd have thought that whilst twiddling their thumbs waiting for th
38 blueshamu330s: It was a pseudo-charter operation though, where you could only book via aeroflot themselves and get hand written tickets from them (have one myself).
39 mainMAN: Lufthansa going from strength to strength, including MAN - TXL http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...ufthansa.html?news_section=273985#
40 david_itl: This comment put forward by the Northern Economic Futures Commission popped up in the Independent earlier this week in which MAN is proposed as the 2n
43 Boysteve: I see that EK017 (DXB - MAN) is diverted today to MUC 'due to operational reasons'. Flightradar24 shows that it left DXB via a normal route up over Ba
44 david_itl: Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30
45 bigorange: Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.!
46 david_itl: At long last, the details of the U2 service to Moscow are available: Sundays & Wednesdays: EZY1871 MAN 0740 DME 1435 EZY1872 DME 1515 MAN 1625 Mon
47 mainMAN: [quote=bigorange,reply=45]Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.
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