Air Canada is only weeks away from launching a new low cost carrier and it is widely rumoured but not confirmed that YYZ to MAN is one of the European destinations.
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22662 times:
Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.
The only other early rumor is the news of JAL to Japan in conjunction with BA's new 'JSA' using 787 aircraft!
as we come into the winter timetable 2013 is looking rather shaky at the moment.
cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22066 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5): Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.
CX isn't a rumour. MAN was listed in a PowerPoint presentation I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22010 times:
Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8): I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:
"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.
No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.
CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21839 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 9): Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.
Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:
"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.
No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.
The intention is to make it non-stop and the A350 with it's low operating costs with enable that. Correctly or not, at the moment the company have decided that the yields and loads are such that it is not profitable. Remember, the figure you quoted is an annual travel figure no doubt with many passengers concentrated around Christmas, Easter, Summer holidays etc. CX might struggle to fill an aircraft at other times of the year.
In addition to all this is that we are chronically short of pilots and any expansion must take this into account. Also the company did not make a profit so far this year and we have cut back on services to North America not because they are not doing well but because they need to pull the 777-300ERs off the routes to be able to send them to Europe to replace the now-inefficient 747-400. 2013+2014 will be about replacing the remaining 747-400s to Europe and restoring those frequencies to North America when more 777-300ERs arrive. When the next longhaul destination is launched, it will be EWR because of the high yields New York provide - higher than MAN.
By end of 2013, all four CX LHR flights will be 777-300ERs. With the addition of a 5th LHR sector unlikely for the time being because of slots, it makes launching MAN the next logical step, especially when you have gone to 4x 777s a day to LHR from 3x 744s (Big loss of seatcount).
CX's policy towards new destinations has always been to only launch when they are confident of profit from almost day one. This does mean that many destinations which are probably viable, are missed out until demand grows to such levels that profitability is assured!! This is changing however and the CEO has said that we must take a "launch it and see" attitude to new destinations now. We will have to wait and see whether MAN is one of those wait and see places!
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21032 times:
Looks like BE will be operating for AY from 28th October as they're taking on 12 E190s and operating 14 routes. MAN not mentioned but did dummy booking and "AY2934"/"AY2933" came up with in italics "operated by Flybe"
neveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20615 times:
Quoting liverpoola380 (Thread starter): I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.
Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?
I have heard a couple different suggestions for the re-use of the control tower once the new one is opened. I understand that the condition of the office building on which the tower rests is in poor condition and would need a reasonable amount of investment if it were to be converted to alternative uses. The two primary uses I have heard discussed are:
1) Refurbish the old building and convert to office space for airport tenants (freeing up space in the terminal buildings) and other third parties, boosing airport property revenues.
2) Remove the building as a precursor project to support the eventual linking of Terminals 1 and 3 and construction of a consolidated departure hall. This would be driven primarily by the need to provide additional capacity in Terminal 3, which could be required if the airport begins to return to the traffic levels experienced during its peak in 2005-06. The particulars of how the terminals could be linked together is something under study at present.
Quote: Pakistani carrier airblue starting 27NOV12 will begin Airbus A340 operation on Islamabad – Manchester service, providing 4 weekly nonstop flights. The A340 is configured in all-Economy Class 328 seats.
Currently the carrier operates Airbus A319/320 aircraft with an intermediate stop in Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen, which will be cancelled when it converts service to nonstop. Schedule:
boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 876 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19807 times:
Quoting mainMAN (Reply 16): Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?
Well there was another thread on here about a month ago reporting that PK were stopping a number of European destinations including MAN but that they would keep OSL for example. It seemed a pretty strange decision in my opinion (stopping MAN) but it was to do with an allinace between PK and TK. Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!
mainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19335 times:
Does anyone have any info as to why yesterday's Monarch flight from Dubrovnik ZB1355 is currently showing as nearly 25 hours late? I'm coming back from DBV next Thursday and serious can't afford such a massive delay! Have ZB been struggling with maintenance this summer?
Quoting boysteve (Reply 17): Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!
Hopefully there's room for both. I was recently talking to a bloke in a Pakistani travel agent/general store in Oldham who told me that PA offered a far better product.
HullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17899 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 22): There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?
On other forums/sites there seems to be murmurs of a CX route. 6 weekly on an A343. Whether this is true or not I don't know, I'm just the messenger on what I've seen elsewhere
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 27, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18547 times:
TP is talking of launching FNC-MAN and, in quite a rare move for a MAN route, is saying most passengers on it's LIS service are point-to-point so are looking at bumping up frequency to gain more connecting passengers.
And surprising news is that MAN is FR's 2nd biggest UK airport for flights.
MANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6 Reply 33, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18422 times:
Quoting Mattuk (Reply 29): The MAN airport arrivals page is listing flight TOM9730P from Seattle (Boeing Field Int'l) scheduled to arrive 06:15 (Due 05:50).
Does anyone know if this is a Dreamliner delivery flight??
It's G-TAWK, their latest B737-800. 1st B787 is due in January next year with one each in Feb and March also.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 37, posted (6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18371 times:
Pity no-one checked and saw Aeroflot flew to Moscow for 10 years or so from 1987. You'd have thought that whilst twiddling their thumbs waiting for the annual wish list rehash story they would help airlines not make basic errors like that.
blueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 25 Reply 38, posted (6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18384 times:
It was a pseudo-charter operation though, where you could only book via aeroflot themselves and get hand written tickets from them (have one myself).
Not sure if it was a true scheduled service for that reason.
Happy to be corrected.
Still, nice to be the only airport outside of London to link Russia with the UK, and fantastic to see easyjet reaffirming MAN as their northwest airport of choice.
Rgds
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
Quote: The airline’s new Manchester-Berlin route, which has been operational for less than six months, is also performing well, with 85-90% of traffic for leisure and the remainder being business travel for the point to point route, which is a popular conference and exhibition centre.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 40, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17212 times:
This comment put forward by the Northern Economic Futures Commission popped up in the Independent earlier this week in which MAN is proposed as the 2nd hub for the UK. Alas, with the mix and match of airlines it will be a tad difficult to organise; further refinement of the BE domestic hubbing may have to come first which can then allow prospective new long-haul routes to garner further feed - it would also need more commercial agreements to be sought by BE and those airlines . It would also necessitate some spending on boosting terminal facilitie and capacity. T1 is the most pressing to upgrade but I don't know if it's better to look at T2 and T3 first to maximse their potential as it may be easier to temporarily displace airlines there whilst T1 is upgraded.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 876 posts, RR: 0 Reply 43, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16850 times:
I see that EK017 (DXB - MAN) is diverted today to MUC 'due to operational reasons'. Flightradar24 shows that it left DXB via a normal route up over Baghdad heading NNW towards Eastern Turkey. It got to within 30kms of Turkish airspace when it then did an about turn and headed SW and over Central Syria, Cyprus, Greek Islands. It is now over Bosnia (10:15GMT, 11:15CET). Looking at the route on flight radar it seems to have been denied permission to enter Turkish airspace and had to skirt round the South of Turkey, has it Syrian diplomats on board perhaps?
Anyway, this substantial diversion has obviously meant a fuel shortage and hence the stop at MUC.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 44, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16234 times:
Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30 to 8.30 with departures having started about 8.15 whilst they deiced the runways and taxiways.
bigorange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 3 Reply 45, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16083 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 44):
Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30 to 8.30 with departures having started about 8.15 whilst they deiced the runways and taxiways.
mainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 47, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15740 times:
[quote=bigorange,reply=45]Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.![/quot
MAN is as organised as any other UK airport, in so far as it can only respond to local weather conditions when and as they occur. In a maritime climate like ours, freezing conditions can be very localised and often very hard to predict. Last week Heathrow had problems, this week Manchester did.
LN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 803 posts, RR: 4 Reply 51, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14395 times:
LJ, I would say it's a one-stop link. A flight in to DHR is perfect if want to take the Dokter Wagemaker or the old school Schulpengat to let's say visit the Texel Airshow or just have something to eat at Tessels Kwartier, den Burg.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 52, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14333 times:
LH 747 on it's way to MAN - should be here around 7.45pm. Going to Air Livery as it' been stated that they've got the contract now with the LH Hamburg paint facility closed
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 25 Reply 53, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14260 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 52): LH 747 on it's way to MAN - should be here around 7.45pm. Going to Air Livery as it' been stated that they've got the contract now with the LH Hamburg paint facility closed
D-ABVZ, should be on the ground around 1930 as it's just steaming past Brugge.
First of many.
Rgds
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lisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 412 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13748 times:
I'd be interested to know if TP are feeding passengers through Manchester onto other STAR carriers like SK, who don't serve LIS directly. Any ideas those in the know?
hohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 60, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13703 times:
For all talk of about expansion at MAN, is there any future for routes to India, especially DEL. The gulf carriers have cornered the market, but no airline in either India or UK (or a SE Asia airline with stopover service) are willing to take the plunge.
cipango From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2009, 293 posts, RR: 0 Reply 61, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13350 times:
Quoting hohd (Reply 60): For all talk of about expansion at MAN, is there any future for routes to India, especially DEL. The gulf carriers have cornered the market, but no airline in either India or UK (or a SE Asia airline with stopover service) are willing to take the plunge.
Manchester has a very large Indian population, and even though the gulf carriers offer many indirect flights, I do think MAN can support a direct flight to DEL or BOM on 9W or AI.
AI 787's might even be a good candidate for the route.
If you were looking for "obvious" addtions to that list, it would probably be an additional Asian carrier (Air China). If we were looking for Air Canada then it should really have been revealed in the portfolio of routes their new subsidiary announced before Christmas.
Garnering another African carrier or going for a South American one is probably not doable for around the next 5 years or so at least , which means that all we can realistically expect is for tinkering of the Star Alliance schedule (bumping up frequency or capacity for the most part, and in SQ's case the de-linking of MAN-MUC-SIN as I'm bit intrigued by the suggestion that the MAN-SIN sector outperforms MUC-SIN despite the inconvenience of the one-stop strategy.)
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 67, posted (5 months 16 hours ago) and read 11431 times:
Having a play around the November provisional passenger statistics - there are 115 scheduled international routes altogether. From that 4 routes were discontinued, 22 are new routes, 59 show increases over November 2011 and 29 show decreases from November 2011.
3 of the more pleasing increases:
Stuttgart - go from Lufthansa to Germanwing and the passenger numbers leapt from 1200 to 3200. I wonder what the impact LH transferring more routes to them will be.
Keflavik - Icelandair from 2200 to 3700 passengers. Did the easyJet announcement lead to more people look for trips there and found this route already exists?
Basle - from the Swiss having 2700 passengers to easyJet having 4600
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 22 Reply 68, posted (5 months 14 hours ago) and read 11330 times:
SQ looks like they are reducing 380 flights to LHR to two per day, knocking off the morning SIN departure. It is being replaced by a 77W, my favorite ...NOT.
SQ are upgrading the older 772ER, which I hope one ends up on the MAN route. Anyway off to gate to get on board the SIN-MAN flight, a lovely 77W via that pain of a stop in MUC.
BMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 854 posts, RR: 7 Reply 69, posted (5 months 13 hours ago) and read 11284 times:
Manchester always seems to appear very steady with their growth of routes and airlines. Just a shame that Bournemouth airport within the MAG group hasn't done well since the investment within the new terminal. Does anyone know how flybe has got on since they launched a while back MAN as been their "connecting airport" and opened up extra routes due to the schedule changes?
BHX is labelled a London airport
GLA is labelled hub airport for the north of Britain
MAN dismissed with a line about BE's hub letting you shuttle to the UK's regions . Hang on.. that can't be right as GLA is the northern hub? No mention of the frequency (the only UK airport that doesn't get that mentioned) nor the A380 operation.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 71, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10739 times:
MAN-CAI now showing on the timetable section of the MAN website. One day the route may be officially revealed.... but knowing MAN, they won't market that route instead preferring to highlight the not-needed LHR link by VS.
ThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 725 posts, RR: 9 Reply 76, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9458 times:
Hi,
What is the story with US Airways today? I see they have had what is seemingly a ferry flight (US9010) which arrived just after midnight to pickup the US735 back to PHL. Was it was renumbered so as not to conflict with tomorrows flight or did it ferry? Anyway that was scheduled to depart back to PHL at 2145 but has been rescheduled to 0300 per flightstats and 0800 on MAN FIDS.
rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 5 Reply 80, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8339 times:
Quoting spiplane (Reply 79): Noticed that last Sunday (13th of January) there were 3 Eastern Airways flights from Aberdeen scheduled within the hour. Any specific reason for this?
Cheers, Paul
Football match related (Small contest between the regional red shirted mino's i am lead to believe !) in addition there were visits by an Aer Lingus A321, CityJet Avro, Jettime 737 several Bizjets including two carrying Moroccan tail numbers. Oh and a FLYBE [that normally operates between Bergen and Aberdeen] had an excursion arranged from and to Stavanger as well.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 81, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7807 times:
December's provisional passenger stats are out:
The two main connecting hubs:
MAN-LHR = 60179 pax (down 9.7%). I have ignored the small number of charter passengers
MAN-DXB = 63331 pax (up 14.8%)
Transatlantically, it's not too bad at all given the state of both the US and UK economies and the high APD in force:
PHL 12851 -05.14%
ATL 09592 +03.30%
JFK 09564 +11.11%
EWR 09286 -05.51%
ORD 08556 +34.89%
IAD 05529 n/a
the 3 leisue-orientated routes
MCO 24078 -03.66%
LAS 03810 +01.44%
SFB 02432 +93.48%
Elsewhere....
marginal increases for SQ and EY with QR dipping sharply due to less flights.
Air Blue's use the of A340 has seen a big rise in numbers to Islamabad (up 23%) and Turkish delight in 40% increase to Istanbul. TP also saw an enormous increase (over 60% to 5000 )
Encouraging to see the BE operated services for Finnair doing well - nice 11% increase. All routes to Germany that still run showed an increase bar Hannover... and to be honest, how significant is a loss of 8 passengers on that route in the whole month!
Stragglers.... the Antwerp route came with just 805 passengers; hopefully all filling the pointy end of the ERJ135! Spain tanked rather like thier economy. Zurich still suffering from the lack of easyJet ops (down 21%)
And here's a nice comparison for Tripoli:
GATWICK 1879 pax
HEATHROW 1797 pax
MANCHESTER 1743 pax
In January, UA to IAD operates 4 days a week ( I don't know about December), so 5529 is encouraging.
I've been periodically looking at fares to New York, and KL and AF are consistently cheaper - at least they were when I looked throughout most of 2012. This probably reflects ADP, and the challenges of making transatlantic 757s pay. Direct flights often came out at 150 quid more expensive......so, these figures look pretty good!
At the moment, DL operate 5 days a week (I didn't know that, but I just checked). I'm assuming they've been using a 763 to ATL?
US, the stalwart of MAN - North America. Daily throughout the winter, and an average of 207 punters per rotation.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 87, posted (4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6292 times:
MAG has bought STN for £1.5 billion with the shareholdings now 35.5% Industry Funds Management of Australia, 35.5% Manchester City Council and the remaining 29% split equally by the other 9 Greater Manchester Councils. Using the standard cost per proft ratio, it's a better deal than it would seem on the face of it.
FaddyPainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 89, posted (4 months 8 hours ago) and read 5164 times:
Is there a problem at MAN atm? A number of a/c holding and Air Malta 319 and Air France 320 appear to be heading south possible BHX. EK and LX still holding.
LuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 94, posted (3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
I heard from a friend who works at the airport, that CX cargo will be using a 748 on at least once a week from April. Possibly a Wednesday, but I'm not too sure on the day.
More specifically, the HS2 station will be located between Junctions 5 and 6 of the M56 on the other side of the motorway with the access road being near where the Travelodge and Premier Inn is now...
My next question is how will the station be connected with the existing rail station and terminal buildings? It's too far from even Terminal 2 to put in a walkway as per the existing station and I can't see buses being a reliable means of connectivity, so I wonder whether a monorail or a Maglev/cable car as per the one at BHX linking the terminal building with Birmingham International station and the NEC will be built instead? It would be a good opportunity to link Teminal 3 up with the rest of the airport again after the redevelopment of T1 has forced passengers to walk outside to get to/from T3.
I also see that the Marriott is right in the middle of the route serving MAN, so that will be demolished once construction starts.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 876 posts, RR: 0 Reply 97, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3210 times:
Yeah the location is a bit weird, but I guess with Airport City being built and allowing for car parking areas there not be much space closer to the terminals, unless of course they built it underground. Actually it's a bit crap, I have been to both Lyon and Frankfurt high speed railway stations and they are less than 5 minutes walk from the main terminal area and allow rail passengers to change between high speed and local services at the same location (Rhone tram in the case of LYS).
Looking at Google Earth and allowing for Airport City plans I think the only location that would make better sense for the station would be on the North Side of the existing station in a cut and cover box running east/west from terminal 2 to Outwood Lane in front of the Hilton hotel, but it probably adds to the station costs as well as adds another 2 miles of bored tunnel to the project. Woo I should be a civil engineer
rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 5 Reply 99, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
Quoting spiplane (Reply 98): This morning I saw the F50 of the new Belgian airline Vizion Air arrive an Manchester. Presumably a charter flight, any details known?
Quoting spiplane (Reply 98): This morning I saw the F50 of the new Belgian airline Vizion Air arrive an Manchester. Presumably a charter flight, any details known?
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