SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12691 times:
Today LAN Airlines became the first carrier in the Americas to launch Boeing 787 services. This morning, LA455 operated SCL-EZE and LA456 is currently flying EZE-SCL. Initially, LAN will be operating 787 flights on the SCL-EZE and SCL-LIM routes for crew familiarization purposes. LAN will then deploy the 787s on routes to LAX and on the SCL-MAD-FRA route.
avion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12803 times:
Quoting luisde8cd (Reply 2): Excellent news! Thanks for sharing, I want to fly on LAN's 787. Need to come up with an excuse to fly to the South Cone first though
Of course! It was a historic moment for both LAN and South American aviation since CC-BBA is the first 787 delivered to a carrier based in the Americas and this was the first 787 revenue flight operated within the Americas. The flight was absolutely thrilling and LAN's 787 is very impressive! Looking forward to flying on more 787 flights soon.
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12489 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter): Today LAN Airlines became the first carrier in the Americas to launch Boeing 787 services.
Congrats to LAN !!! Nice to see a South American carrier launch 787 services within the Americas. Do you know when LAN will deploy it on the SCL-LIM route ?
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12450 times:
In my opinion, I see LAN flying the most exciting new routes with the 787. Of all the airlines who have received them, I see them launching the greatest number of *new* long haul routes with the type.
I do realize the initial flights will be crew familiarization. But when LAN has ETOPS 220... I expect a burst of new routes. Where? Let the a.net speculation begin.
I would expect new routes once the 787 has matured in LAN's fleet. For example, SCL-FRA *direct*. Perhaps with a later line number, but that is one potential new route.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12359 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8): In my opinion, I see LAN flying the most exciting new routes with the 787. Of all the airlines who have received them, I see them launching the greatest number of *new* long haul routes with the type.
The 787s will also be deployed on the LIM-MAD and GYE-MAD routes. By the end of 2014, LAN will have 12 B-787-8s in the fleet.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11793 times:
Well good for LAN. Even if JFK doesn't get that 787 at all, LAN will still find routes to suit it.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
Also, LAN will operate 22 weekly flights between SCL and EZE. The operations will made by LAN crew assisted with Boeing pilots during the next two weeks. By the mid October the company expects the reception of its second B787.
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11234 times:
Given the 788 has the range, why not fly from SCL direct to LAX? The same could be said for SFO. Is there a ton of connecting traffic at LIM that justifies the stop?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11205 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 14): Is there a ton of connecting traffic at LIM that justifies the stop?
Yes, LIM is a major hub for LAN. LA600/LA601 operates daily and LA2604/LA2605 will soon increase to 6x weekly. Currently, LAN Airlines is the only LATAM affiliate carrier that operates the 787.
LA600: SCL-LIM-LAX daily
LA601: LAX-LIM-SCL daily
LA2604: LIM-LAX increases to 6x weekly (operated by LAN Perú)
LA2605: LAX-LIM increases to 6x weekly (operated by LAN Perú)
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 14): Given the 788 has the range, why not fly from SCL direct to LAX?
LAN will deploy the 787 on LA602/LA603 3x weekly. The SCL-LAX route operates on a seasonal basis from December through March.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11125 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8): In my opinion, I see LAN flying the most exciting new routes with the 787. Of all the airlines who have received them, I see them launching the greatest number of *new* long haul routes with the type.
That means JFK will NOT see a LAN 787 at all.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 16): That means JFK will NOT see a LAN 787 at all.
That's not true. I'm sure JFK will eventually see a LAN 787, just not this year nor the next one.
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 14): Given the 788 has the range, why not fly from SCL direct to LAX?
The 763 HAS the range to fly to LAX non-stop from SCL, but for some reason LAN only offers non-stop flights during the southern summer season.
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 14): Is there a ton of connecting traffic at LIM that justifies the stop?
LIM is LAN's main hub for North American flights, not to mention the fact that LIM has more demand for flights to North America than SCL. LAN knows this.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11061 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 17): That's not true. I'm sure JFK will eventually see a LAN 787, just not this year nor the next one.
Well read my signature right now. "I am not expecting JFK to get the 787 as I am expecting LAN to put 787's on NEW routes. Meanwhile JFK will keep seeing the 767-300ER."
Whatever is in quotes is what I think will happen based on my confidence.
[Edited 2012-10-01 22:16:38]
[Edited 2012-10-01 22:41:52]
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10860 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 18): "I am not expecting JFK to get the 787 as I am expecting LAN to put 787's on NEW routes. Meanwhile JFK will keep seeing the 767-300ER."
Initially, LAN will deploy the 787s on existing long-haul routes, i.e. SCL-LIM-LAX and SCL-MAD-FRA. However, for the NS 2013 season, the A343s are now scheduled to operate the SCL-AKL-SYD and SCL-LIM-LAX routes. After receiving the fifth 787 next year, LAN may launch new long-haul route(s) with the 787s. LAN has shown an interest in launching long-haul flights to BCN, FCO and LHR.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9397 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 17): Apparently LAN will be operating a special flight to Lima and Guayaquil today (October 2):
That is a duplicate flight in the GDS. LAN Perú now operates the LIM-GYE route daily with the B763 instead of LAN Ecuador. This is due to recent operational changes made by LAN Ecuador on the GYE-JFK route. LAN Ecuador will increase frequency on the GYE-JFK route to 9x weekly starting on 05OCT12 and will further increase frequency on the route to 11x weekly starting on 03DEC12. LAN is currently reprogramming certain flights on the SCL-EZE route as it plans to increase the frequency of 787 operated flights on the SCL-EZE route to 22x weekly very soon.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9205 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 16): That means JFK will NOT see a LAN 787 at all.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10): The 787s will also be deployed on the LIM-MAD and GYE-MAD routes.
I did not mean to imply that LAN wouldn't use the 787s on existing routes. I simply see them launching more new long haul routes that would be 'unique.' Of course they will cut costs on existing flights. However, many of the new flights will not just be 'aircraft replacement' but new routes. Some will just be new frequencies, but I see LAN having tremendous potential for new routes.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19): After receiving the fifth 787 next year, LAN may launch new long-haul route(s) with the 787s. LAN has shown an interest in launching long-haul flights to BCN, FCO and LHR.
And there is where the excitement is. Give LAN a year to familiarize itself with the 787 and then I see opportunity!
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2397 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
Wow, how proud to see the first 787 in America was a Chilean one uniting a Chile and Argentina!
SCL and EZE are the first airports of the whole continent handling regular 787. How much this talk of the moment Latin America is leaving and the links we Chilean and Argentine have beyond any rivalry!
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7110 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 22): Too bad: I landed today around 10:00 in LIM and had no chance to see the 787...
The 787 hasn't been deployed to LIM as yet. The first 787 is currently deployed only on the SCL-EZE route and LAN will soon increase the frequency of 787 operated flights on the SCL-EZE route to 22x weekly. When LAN receives its second 787 CC-BBB in a couple weeks, LAN will launch 787 services on the SCL-LIM route.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 25, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6725 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21): I did not mean to imply that LAN wouldn't use the 787s on existing routes. I simply see them launching more new long haul routes that would be 'unique.' Of course they will cut costs on existing flights. However, many of the new flights will not just be 'aircraft replacement' but new routes. Some will just be new frequencies, but I see LAN having tremendous potential for new routes.
Absolutely! LAN views the 787 as a "game changer" and plans to launch new routes with the 787s. Indeed, LAN's potential to launch new routes has grown tremendously not only due to the rapid increase in air traffic in South America, but also due to LAN's merger with TAM. LAN's Boeing 787 Project Director Justin Siegel recently gave an interview to ATW (http://atwonline.com/issue/october-2012) where he stated, "Many airlines are buying the 787 as a replacement aircraft. We're using it for growth." He also stated that, "Eventually, the 787 will be more used for flights to Europe...because that's where you get the most benefits."
Also, LAN continues to receive new B-767-316ERs and plans to operate the 763s as more 787s arrive. LAN currently has a fleet of 34 B763s. So far this year, LAN took delivery of 5 new B-767-316ERs:
CC-BDD
CC-BDE
CC-BDF
CC-BDG
CC-BDH
LAN plans to receive another 5 B-767-316ERs this year:
CC-BDI
CC-BDJ
CC-BDK
CC-BDL
CC-BDM
And will also receive 4 new B-767-316ERs next year.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6582 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25): Absolutely! LAN views the 787 as a "game changer" and plans to launch new routes with the 787s. Indeed, LAN's potential to launch new routes has grown tremendously not only due to the rapid increase in air traffic in South America, but also due to LAN's merger with TAM. LAN's Boeing 787 Project Director Justin Siegel recently gave an interview to ATW (http://atwonline.com/issue/october-2012) where he stated, "Many airlines are buying the 787 as a replacement aircraft. We're using it for growth." He also stated that, "Eventually, the 787 will be more used for flights to Europe...because that's where you get the most benefits."
Also, LAN continues to receive new B-767-316ERs and plans to operate the 763s as more 787s arrive. LAN currently has a fleet of 34 B763s. So far this year, LAN took delivery of 5 new B-767-316ERs:
CC-BDD
CC-BDE
CC-BDF
CC-BDG
CC-BDH
LAN plans to receive another 5 B-767-316ERs this year:
CC-BDI
CC-BDJ
CC-BDK
CC-BDL
CC-BDM
And will also receive 4 new B-767-316ERs next year.
That proves why I have ZERO confidence in JFK receiving the LAN 787.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 29, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6498 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 27): That proves why I have ZERO confidence in JFK receiving the LAN 787.
Three different LAN affiliates will soon operate into JFK. By deploying the B763s into JFK, LAN has flexibility to rotate the a/c between different affiliate carriers on certain days. Also, some a/c spend over 12 hours on the ground at JFK.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 30, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6360 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25): Also, LAN continues to receive new B-767-316ERs and plans to operate the 763s as more 787s arrive. LAN currently has a fleet of 34 B763s. So far this year, LAN took delivery of 5 new B-767-316ERs:
CC-BDD
CC-BDE
CC-BDF
CC-BDG
CC-BDH
LAN plans to receive another 5 B-767-316ERs this year:
CC-BDI
CC-BDJ
CC-BDK
CC-BDL
CC-BDM
And will also receive 4 new B-767-316ERs next year.
Wow!! I didn't know LAN was still receiving 763ERs. Do you know the financing terms? Short term lease which implies to cover 787 delays or are these long term leases/purchases? The later implies for expansion to keep 787s free for new routes.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 31, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6287 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 30): I didn't know LAN was still receiving 763ERs. Do you know the financing terms? Short term lease which implies to cover 787 delays or are these long term leases/purchases? The later implies for expansion to keep 787s free for new routes.
LAN Airlines placed two separate orders for B-767-316ERs last year and exercised options, (LAN always has options). LAN obviously received preferential rates for the B-767-316ERs from Boeing due to the delays with the 787s. LAN is actually renewing its fleet of B767s. This year, LAN returned two older B763s to their lessors. LAN will use the new B-767-316ERs to increase frequencies on existing routes and will launch new routes with them in the very near-term. LAN has already started to increase frequencies into the U.S. from SCL, LIM and GYE with the B763s. Also, a certain number of B-767-316ERs will be deployed to LAN Colombia in order to increase capacity on existing routes and to launch new routes via BOG. LAN certainly has aggressive growth plans in the works. LAN's training facilities are operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week! LAN recently purchased 10 sets of blended winglets for the new B-767-316ERs.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 32, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6202 times:
LAN Perú recently inaugurated a new training center near its hub at the Jorge Chávez International Airport in Lima. The new facility currently offers training on a CAE Airbus A320 full-flight simulator and will soon offer Boeing 767 full-flight simulator training. This is LATAM's third training center in South America. Last year, LAN greatly expanded its CAE training facilities in Santiago de Chile and plans to add a B-787 full-flight simulator next year. LAN Perú and CAE inaugurate new training centre in Lima
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3913 posts, RR: 4 Reply 33, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5999 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25): Also, LAN continues to receive new B-767-316ERs and plans to operate the 763s as more 787s arrive. LAN currently has a fleet of 34 B763s. So far this year, LAN took delivery of 5 new B-767-316ERs:
I understand the aircraft are probably part of the B787 delays but wouldn't it make sense to operate one type opposed to operating the B763 & B787 alongside one another...?
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 34, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5954 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 33): I understand the aircraft are probably part of the B787 delays but wouldn't it make sense to operate one type opposed to operating the B763 & B787 alongside one another...?
EK413
The 787's are probably going to open up new European destinations not existing destinations like JFK or MIA.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2629 posts, RR: 1 Reply 35, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5801 times:
My apologies if this was mentioned above and I missed it; what is the timeline for LA to start services to LAX?
The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5810 times:
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 35): My apologies if this was mentioned above and I missed it; what is the timeline for LA to start services to LAX?
They fly to LAX and SFO via LIM. I believe LAX is due to start seasonal non-stop service from SCL next year?
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 37, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5568 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 36): I believe LAX is due to start seasonal non-stop service from SCL next year?
Actually, LAN will operate nonstop flights between SCL and LAX beginning this November. These seasonal flights will last through March 2013. Moreover, these seasonal flights will see the Boeing 787 as pointed out by SCL767.
Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2629 posts, RR: 1 Reply 38, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 36):
They fly to LAX and SFO via LIM. I believe LAX is due to start seasonal non-stop service from SCL next year?
I was unclear in my wording; I was referring to 78 service, I know they fly to LAX with the 767.
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 37):
Actually, LAN will operate nonstop flights between SCL and LAX beginning this November. These seasonal flights will last through March 2013. Moreover, these seasonal flights will see the Boeing 787 as pointed out by SCL767.
So we'll see the 787 next month. Great.
The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 37): Actually, LAN will operate nonstop flights between SCL and LAX beginning this November. These seasonal flights will last through March 2013. Moreover, these seasonal flights will see the Boeing 787 as pointed out by SCL767.
That's great to see; I hope they'll go n/s to SFO when demand warrants it as well. Its great to see this airline open up new markets and pushing the envelope in developing their business in S.America.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 40, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 34): The 787's are probably going to open up new European destinations not existing destinations like JFK or MIA.
Eventually all LAN operated flights to LAX and MAD will operate with the 787s. LATAM plans to open 4 new destinations within Europe by the end of 2014; most likely by LAN with the 787s.
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 39): I hope they'll go n/s to SFO when demand warrants it as well.
LAN Perú operates the LIM-SFO route non-stop. That service is not operated by LAN Airlines. LAN Perú will launch a new route to the U.S. next year using the B767.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26722 posts, RR: 83 Reply 42, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4939 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 33): I understand the aircraft are probably part of the B787 delays but wouldn't it make sense to operate one type opposed to operating the B763 & B787 alongside one another...?
The 767-300ER passenger model works well for LAN on certain missions and they also have a 767-300F freighter fleet so they have operating synergies.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 43, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4783 times:
CC-BBA at EZE:
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 35): My apologies if this was mentioned above and I missed it; what is the timeline for LA to start services to LAX?
LAN hasn't publicly announced when 787 services will commence into LAX. However, LAN will take delivery of its second B-787 in 10 days. The third B-787 will be delivered during December. LAN's Winter schedule to LAX will look like this:
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4724 posts, RR: 13 Reply 48, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
How long is the flight from SCL to EZE? When will LAN fly to MIA and from which cities? Beautiful looking bird!
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 49, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3982 times:
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 48): How long is the flight from SCL to EZE?
SCL-EZE is blocked at 02:05 hrs. and EZE-SCL is blocked at 02:20 hrs. SCL-LIM is blocked at 03:45 hrs. and LIM-SCL is blocked at 03:35 hrs.
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 48): When will LAN fly to MIA and from which cities?
Just like JFK, MIA will not receive 787 services for a while. The 787s will primarily replace the B763s and A343s on certain long-haul flights and will be utilized to launch new routes from LATAM's hubs in South America to destinations in Europe.
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4724 posts, RR: 13 Reply 50, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
Thank you for the info. Wow, so The A 380 made it to MIA and JFK first!.
Also those flights on such a magnificant bird are like quick hop commutes. Especially SCL-EZE thats comparable to BWI-MIA on a good day or BWI-TPA, MCO or SRQ to name a few which again is a rather quick flight. I wonder if there are any 787 Dreamliner flights that are even shorter in time and distance? With any airline? Reminds me of my one and only Airbus flight from PHL to BWI, Wham bam thank you mam.
LAN Perú did not renew its operating permits with the DGAC for the LIM-BCN route. LAN Perú did renew its permits for LIM-BER, LIM-BRU, LIM-CDG, LIM-DUS, LIM-FCO, LIM-FRA, LIM-LHR, LIM-MAD, LIM-MUC, and LIM-MXP. Maybe LAN Perú will apply for the LIM-BCN route in the near-term, but IMO it would be great if LAN Perú operated LIM-FRA 3x weekly and LIM-LHR 4x weekly and LAN operated SCL-FCO 3x weekly, SCL-FRA 4x weekly and SCL-LHR 5x weekly. Just speculation on my part.
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 53, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3869 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 52): LAN Perú did not renew its operating permits with the DGAC for the LIM-BCN route. LAN Perú did renew its permits for LIM-BER, LIM-BRU, LIM-CDG, LIM-DUS, LIM-FCO, LIM-FRA, LIM-LHR, LIM-MAD, LIM-MUC, and LIM-MXP.
So they don't plan on operating LIM-BCN flights in the near future ? That's bad news ! On the other hand, LIM-LHR is long overdue.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 54, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3856 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 53): So they don't plan on operating LIM-BCN flights in the near future ? That's bad news ! On the other hand, LIM-LHR is long overdue.
The first five B-787-8s will be based at SCL and operated by LAN Airlines. Perhaps LAN will transfer a couple A343s over to LAN Perú next year...
simonisjf From South Africa, joined Sep 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 55, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
I wonder if there is a market for the 787 to perhaps JHB. I have just spoken to a third person who is heading to Chile for holiday in as much as a week.
@simonisjf is where I am at. I love thunderstorms, but only from the ground!
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 56, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3799 times:
Quoting simonisjf (Reply 55): I wonder if there is a market for the 787 to perhaps JHB. I have just spoken to a third person who is heading to Chile for holiday in as much as a week.
If LATAM opens a route to JNB in the future, it would most likely operate via the GRU hub. Certain new long-haul routes will operate via LATAM's hubs at GRU and GIG.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
So it looks like I will have to prepare myself to NEVER see a LAN 787 at JFK. I thought JFK will get that 787 earlier but now my confidence is extremely low that this will happen. By the time the new 767s are retired who knows if LAN would have more 787s on order.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 58, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3731 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 57): By the time the new 767s are retired who knows if LAN would have more 787s on order.
LAN's historic order for 32 B-787s is the largest single order for widebody a/c ever made by a Latin American carrier. And yes, LAN has options to acquire additional B-787s.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 59, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3653 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 57): So it looks like I will have to prepare myself to NEVER see a LAN 787 at JFK. I thought JFK will get that 787 earlier but now my confidence is extremely low that this will happen. By the time the new 767s are retired who knows if LAN would have more 787s on order.
Quote: LAN will purchase 26 aircraft, and acquire 6 more via leasing contracts. The total investment will reach approximately US$ 3.2 billion. Additionally, the Board approved 10 purchase options of the same aircraft model for 2017 and 2018.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 60, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 59): Quote:
LAN will purchase 26 aircraft, and acquire 6 more via leasing contracts. The total investment will reach approximately US$ 3.2 billion. Additionally, the Board approved 10 purchase options of the same aircraft model for 2017 and 2018.
That gives me confidence but I am still going to do what I said earlier.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 61, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 60): That gives me confidence but I am still going to do what I said earlier.
Just out of curiosity, why are you so adamant that LAN should fly the 787 to JFK soon? Right now, international traffic at SCL is increasing rapidly due to the strong growth of the Chilean economy and many passengers want more non-stop flights to Europe because there are only three daily non-stop flights, two to MAD and one to CDG. PAX want LAN to open new non-stop flights between SCL and Europe because they are tired of flying via MAD and AF's airfares are very expensive. LAN simply wants to offer its customers new flights due to increasing demand. The 787 will enable LAN to bypass MAD and open new destinations within Europe; which many Chilean passengers will gladly appreciate!
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 62, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3541 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 61): Just out of curiosity, why are you so adamant that LAN should fly the 787 to JFK soon? Right now, international traffic at SCL is increasing rapidly due to the strong growth of the Chilean economy and many passengers want more non-stop flights to Europe because there are only three daily non-stop flights, two to MAD and one to CDG. PAX want LAN to open new non-stop flights between SCL and Europe because they are tired of flying via MAD and AF's airfares are very expensive. LAN simply wants to offer its customers new flights due to increasing demand. The 787 will enable LAN to bypass MAD and open new destinations within Europe; which many Chilean passengers will gladly appreciate!
I am not saying it should! LAN can do whatever they want to do but I am just want it to happen. I am not expecting things to go my way however. I thought the 787 would simply replace the 767 but I was partially wrong. I know that LAN wants to expand its European network because there is a demand for European flights. And because of that I have very little confidence that JFK will see that 787 until 2018 or later.
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 63, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3485 times:
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 62): I thought the 787 would simply replace the 767 but I was partially wrong.
LAN has affiliates in five South American countries and TAM has affiliates in two South American countries. Traffic between South America and North America is continuing to experience robust growth. LAN is taking delivery of new B763s in order to increase its market-share on routes between both continents and to enable TAM to grow. For example, in the next two months LAN will launch two new routes into JFK. LAN will also launch daily non-stop service between MIA and GIG in January, thus taking over the route from TAM so that TAM can increase frequencies elsewhere.
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 62): I know that LAN wants to expand its European network because there is a demand for European flights. And because of that I have very little confidence that JFK will see that 787 until 2018 or later.
That's your opinion and it's moot. You need to understand that LAN recently merged with TAM. Could LAN operate SCL-GIG-JFK with the 787s in the next two years? Absolutely! Another priority for LATAM is to increase its market-share on routes between South America and Europe via its hubs at BOG, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL. To increase flights into Australia and New Zealand and to open new routes to destinations in Africa, etc.
LanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 634 posts, RR: 10 Reply 64, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3320 times:
I am really happy to see LAN's 787s already flying across the South American skies. Especially LIM and SCL, my favorite city pairs after LAX-LIM of course! I must say, LAX-LIM-SCL is one of the most spoiled routes that LAN has, especially with the 767/A340 mix and soon the 787!
I am sure, that upon boarding, the 787 will be nice, but let's face it....it's a plane! Seats etc can only very so much. After-all it's just a few hours, what really gets me is the significance of the operation and the culmination of a huge effort.
I have had an opportunity to fly LAX-LIM-SCL in Business and Economy from the older 767s to the most recent 767s, the A340 in both classes and LAN never seems to disappoint. Crew can be a little hit-or-miss at times, but overall, I go non-stop or not at all...! I've yet to fly Premium Business or any of these 787 cabins, but soon, I will.
I have had a love-hate relationship with LAN and sometimes I must admit, it's because of a few sore thumbs, or even "pseudo-affiliates" that express themselves as if they were the marketing dept for LAN or giving a sort of wanna-be stockholder's meeting. For example, a few years back (2001? 2002?) , I shared ALOT of art-work with "affiliates" and eventually, my idea ended up on a plane - just that instead of reds and an "escudo" there was blue and an "estrella" - coincidence? I'd say too much!
Regardless, I am very happy that LAN is growing, and that the 787 was first to fly in the Americas with them, like I said especially with LIM/SCL/EZE in the mix.
SCL767:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 63): Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 62):
I thought the 787 would simply replace the 767 but I was partially wrong.
LAN has affiliates in five South American countries and TAM has affiliates in two South American countries. Traffic between South America and North America is continuing to experience robust growth. LAN is taking delivery of new B763s in order to increase its market-share on routes between both continents and to enable TAM to grow. For example, in the next two months LAN will launch two new routes into JFK. LAN will also launch daily non-stop service between MIA and GIG in January, thus taking over the route from TAM so that TAM can increase frequencies elsewhere.
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 62):
I know that LAN wants to expand its European network because there is a demand for European flights. And because of that I have very little confidence that JFK will see that 787 until 2018 or later.
That's your opinion and it's moot. You need to understand that LAN recently merged with TAM. Could LAN operate SCL-GIG-JFK with the 787s in the next two years? Absolutely! Another priority for LATAM is to increase its market-share on routes between South America and Europe via its hubs at BOG, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL. To increase flights into Australia and New Zealand and to open new routes to destinations in Africa, etc.
I really cringe when I read posts like the ones above, because you really are the epitome of what I am mentioning above, if you do have connections to LAN or insider links, that's great, but let's not be so arrogant about it, because that is what you portray - childish and arrogant. How can you say that it's a moot point? You do not know the needs of the airline or the true inner-workings and operations, unless you are COO, CEO or CFO related. And if you are, I can assure you that in NO company, would they appreciate these leaks. So kick-back a little bit, or ease up on the translator.
Se lo digo con todo respeto Sr. SCL767.
I cannot wait to see this plane at LAX. I have read some third-party reports already, and they confirm that Economy is a butt-tight fit and cramped, but as long as those LAN crew are on their "A - Game" all the time, they will do fine.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 65, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3292 times:
Quoting LanPeru (Reply 64): I really cringe when I read posts like the ones above, because you really are the epitome of what I am mentioning above, if you do have connections to LAN or insider links, that's great, but let's not be so arrogant about it, because that is what you portray - childish and arrogant. How can you say that it's a moot point? You do not know the needs of the airline or the true inner-workings and operations, unless you are COO, CEO or CFO related. And if you are, I can assure you that in NO company, would they appreciate these leaks. So kick-back a little bit, or ease up on the translator.
The poster continues to state that the 787 will never serve JFK, or when it does it'll be by 2018. I and another poster responded by saying that eventually they will be deployed to JFK, just not in the immediate future. Thus, his continual posts about never seeing LAN's 787 at JFK became a bit tiresome.
Quoting LanPeru (Reply 64): I cannot wait to see this plane at LAX. I have read some third-party reports already, and they confirm that Economy is a butt-tight fit and cramped, but as long as those LAN crew are on their "A - Game" all the time, they will do fine.
On 01APR13, LA600/LA601 will revert back to daily A343 service.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 66, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
Quoting LanPeru (Reply 64): I have had an opportunity to fly LAX-LIM-SCL in Business and Economy from the older 767s to the most recent 767s, the A340 in both classes and LAN never seems to disappoint. Crew can be a little hit-or-miss at times, but overall, I go non-stop or not at all...! I've yet to fly Premium Business or any of these 787 cabins, but soon, I will.
Actually the new B-767-316ERs feature the new Premium Business Class and the new Economy Class with the same IFE system as LAN's B-787s. So far this year, LAN took delivery of five new B-767-316ERs, (CC-BDD, CC-BDE, CC-BDF, CC-BDG, and CC-BDH). LAN plans to receive another five B-767-316ERs this year, (CC-BDI, CC-BDJ, CC-BDK, CC-BDL, CC-BDM), and will also receive 4 new B-767-316ERs next year. LAN Perú will receive four new B-767-316ERs in order to increase frequencies on certain routes, i.e. LIM-LAX, LIM-MIA, LIM-SFO, etc. and to launch new routes. LAN Perú will launch LIM-JFK 4x weekly on 05NOV12; which will complement LA's daily SCL-LIM-JFK service. Next year, LAN Perú will launch a new route to the U.S. with the B-767-316ER. LAN Perú will receive 6 new A319s to increase frequencies on regional and domestic routes, and in order to launch new domestic routes within Perú and as well as new regional routes. LAN Perú will increase its growth at LIM by 25% next year alone.
YankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 67, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 63): That's your opinion and it's moot. You need to understand that LAN recently merged with TAM. Could LAN operate SCL-GIG-JFK with the 787s in the next two years? Absolutely! Another priority for LATAM is
[quote=SCL767,reply=65]The poster continues to state that the 787 will never serve JFK, or when it does it'll be by 2018. I and another poster responded by saying that eventually they will be deployed to JFK, just not in the immediate future. Thus, his continual posts about never seeing LAN's 787 at JFK became a bit tiresome.
You kept questioning my confidence. I am not feeling confident at all about that. Whether JFK gets it in the near future is questionable IMO. I am sure JFK will see it a few years from now. Do not respond SCL767. I don't want to start something.
[Edited 2012-10-10 11:01:01]
[Edited 2012-10-10 11:01:35]
I hope you stand by your promises Obama. I will be really mad if you don't
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6181 posts, RR: 74 Reply 68, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
Quoting LanPeru (Reply 64): I am really happy to see LAN's 787s already flying across the South American skies.
I used to like LAN... but yes, I agree to the rest of the post...
There is no discussion to be made when it is like this. Sad... In some other successful airlines, such "blind fanboy-ism" is actually prohibited if you're on the payroll.
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 5 Reply 70, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 6): Do you know when LAN will deploy it on the SCL-LIM route ?
LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-LIM route to 9x daily when LAN deploys the 787 on the SCL-LIM route.
Here is LAN's second B-787, CC-BBB at KPAE. LAN plans on taking delivery of CC-BBB on 18OCT12. After CC-BBB arrives at SCL, LAN will increase the frequency of 787 operated flights on the SCL-EZE route to 22x weekly and will launch 787 services on the SCL-LIM route.
The Chilean Civil Aviation Authority, (DGAC) recently became the first Civil Aviation Authority in Latin America that has a trained team of inspectors to participate in the processes of certification and inspections of the Boeing 787 aircraft: DGAC: PRIMERA EN SUDAMÈRICA EN CAPACITAR A INSPECTORES EN B-787
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But when LAN has ETOPS 220... 
I expect a burst of new routes. Where? Let the a.net speculation begin. 
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I didn't know LAN was still receiving 763ERs. Do you know the financing terms? Short term lease which implies to cover 787 delays or are these long term leases/purchases? The later implies for expansion to keep 787s free for new routes. 
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