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AA Cancellations Continue - Part II  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13970 times:
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Considering the first thread reached more than 300 posts (and at this stage it makes life of users with low speed internet connections very hard), and considering the subject still retain interest with over 30 posts last 24 hours, we are opening a new thread for discussions to continue

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AA Cancellations Continue (by NWADTWE16 Sep 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

So what seems to be the main issue this time which is propagating the issues? I was away from A.net for about 10 days and my connection speed doesn't let me load the other thread well.

It seems to be that the issues haven't gotten much better.

Anyone have news sources talking about the issue?



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13843 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
It seems to be that the issues haven't gotten much better.

They've improved slightly, these past couple of days have averaged at about 60%+ on time which is significantly better than what it was a week ago. And we're no closer to knowing precisely what the root cause is, the narratives provided by the various factions on the other thread are unchanged ... probably because they all have a grain of truth in them (or so my lay-observer eyes read the competing posts)



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4257 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13582 times:

With the issues with the seats not staying bolted now being reported by the mainstream media....is this actually going to strengthen APA's position that all these write ups are in the interest of safety and that the feds are watching? You would think it is.

User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3393 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13566 times:

The irony here is that if AA goes under, who is ever going to hire a AA pilot from "the last days"?

HR person: "Oh I see here that you were a pilot at AA when they went chapter 7, who is your buddy who got this past the autodelete function? We here at reasonable airlines taxi at normal speeds and write up MX issues when noticed, not 5 minutes after leaving the gate. So please, leave now and maybe if you move fast enough security will get a little workout trying to keep up to make sure you don't take any stationary on your way out!"

Its clear that working for AA isn't THAT bad, after all when all those awesome high paying jobs in the middle east, asia, and other parts... AA still has pilots working for them. WN hasn't stolen all the 737 pilots with their top of the industry pay. Heck someone here did a comparison and found that many people could make more at WN in a couple years than sticking with thier decade plus at thier current airline.

I'll tell you the exact instant when I knew AA pilots were the anchor that was going to drag AA to the bottom of the sea. The day when AA asked them to approve work rules for flights over 12hrs and the Pilots told AA to pound sand. Thats right, AA wanted more pilots to do more work and the pilots union came back and said "nah, we are just fine where we are. you don't pay us enough so we might strike at any time, but we don't need to work more or have more pilots flying"

Since then been plenty of comedy with the various bits about how they don't get paid enough to make ends meet, which is usualy right around the same time that AA is asking them to raise the minimum hours from the industry low, or some study showing the horrid AA pilot productivity.

I just feel bad for all the other AA employees and shareholders who have gotten the shaft due to AA pilots refusing to agree to the same basic work rules as other airline pilots. For refusing to work with the management to be flexible and grow so that AA might employ more pilots flying to more places instead of fewer to less. For working harder to put AA out of business than they do to keep AA in.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

XT6Wagon:

The interesting thing is that I know some AA pilots who work very hard every month to pick up an extra trip, because the vast majority of lines don't have enough hours.

I can't remember if it was prior to the concessions or 2003 or 9/11, but a typical 757/767 domestic line had 72 to 75 hours. After the concessions, it was down to between 65 to 68 hours. This may have been management's way of trying to reduce the number of furloughs.

Needless to say, a lot of pilots started picking up extra trips, in order to blunt the effects of the wage rate cuts.

So, if APA were to agree to increasing minimum hours, it would make pilots in the middle of the seniority list and higher happy, because they would earn more. But for those near the bottom, it could very well increase the risk of getting furloughed, especially if the U.S. economy slips into another recession.

By the way, the pilots tied the extra long flying to a new contract. They were willing to fly more than 12 hours, if they had a new collective bargaining agreement. But, as long as the pilots were working under the old agreement, then no extra long flying.

Of course, this just shows how airlines should be removed from the RLA (or federal mediators should be far more willing to declare an impasse). Contract negotiations shouldn't drag on for five years after the end of a contract with no right to self help.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12779 times:

AA ended Monday with 19 cancellations (does not include the precancels from the trimmed schedule) - and mere 57% ontime arrivals rate.

So far at 10am central have 14 cancels today.



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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12752 times:
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How much of this improvement in completion factors is due to the new month re-starting the monthly hourly limit for flight crews?. Supposedly AA has 10% less pilots active this year than this time last year so I am assuming that around the 25th or 26th of each month a lot of pilots start hitting their monthly hourly limits? I remember Northwest used to have some of these issues near the end of each month during the busy summer flying season and would have to cancel some flights because of shortage of crews?


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User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

I have flown 103,356 miles on AA since January 1st of this year and have never had issues, until now. Starting to wonder whether I should start taking my business elsewhere...I love AA and out of the 103,356 miles I've flown this year I have had 0 cancelled flights and can count on one hand the number of times I've been significantly delayed.

However, over the past couple of weeks, every single one of my flights is delayed quite significantly...I would hate to have to start flying another airline after all these years of being loyal to AA...but am really starting to think about it now.


User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 8):
I have flown 103,356 miles on AA since January 1st of this year and have never had issues, until now. Starting to wonder whether I should start taking my business elsewhere...I love AA and out of the 103,356 miles I've flown this year I have had 0 cancelled flights and can count on one hand the number of times I've been significantly delayed.

However, over the past couple of weeks, every single one of my flights is delayed quite significantly...I would hate to have to start flying another airline after all these years of being loyal to AA...but am really starting to think about it now.

I don't think you're alone and if I was in management at AA, you'd be my greatest nightmare - losing a loyal customer who's traveled over 100k miles only 10 months into the year. I'm sure others are contemplating their moves right now to other carries as we speak... as Delta and UA are grinning ear-to-ear right now and eagerly awaiting those moves   


User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10978 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
The irony here is that if AA goes under, who is ever going to hire a AA pilot from "the last days"?

Didn't keep anyone from hiring exEA pilots.....many work at AA today :-/

N737AA


User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 10):
Didn't keep anyone from hiring exEA pilots.....many work at AA today :-/

How close is American to being in the same kind of situation that turned Eastern's ch11 into a ch7? I don't know enough about either circumstance to know.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
The irony here is that if AA goes under, who is ever going to hire a AA pilot from "the last days"?

...pretty much anybody.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
HR person: "Oh I see here that you were a pilot at AA when they went chapter 7, who is your buddy who got this past the autodelete function? We here at reasonable airlines taxi at normal speeds and write up MX issues when noticed, not 5 minutes after leaving the gate. So please, leave now and maybe if you move fast enough security will get a little workout trying to keep up to make sure you don't take any stationary on your way out!"

AA pilots are being extra cautious because they're under increased scrutiny from the FAA and now that there's no contract, the company won't do anything in their defense if they're found to have even a minor violation. I highly doubt this scenario will play out.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10673 times:
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Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 8):
Starting to wonder whether I should start taking my business elsewhere...

My employer is thinking the same thing. Despite our contract, embargo on all AA flights unless it is a code-share operated by another carrier.

Not to send a message or anything, AA isn't our primary carrier and I don't believe anyone is under any illusion it'll even be noticed (other than our AA rep perhaps), it's only intended to try and keep employees from getting caught in this mess.

[Edited 2012-10-02 14:17:37]


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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
The irony here is that if AA goes under, who is ever going to hire a AA pilot from "the last days"?

Well my company hired quite a few ex-Eastern pilots from "the last days," and I know tons more at (or retired from) other carriers, in the FAA, and other respectable, responsible jobs.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
HR person: "Oh I see here that you were a pilot at AA when they went chapter 7, who is your buddy who got this past the autodelete function? We here at reasonable airlines taxi at normal speeds and write up MX issues when noticed, not 5 minutes after leaving the gate. So please, leave now and maybe if you move fast enough security will get a little workout trying to keep up to make sure you don't take any stationary on your way out!"

No so much.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
Its clear that working for AA isn't THAT bad, after all when all those awesome high paying jobs in the middle east, asia, and other parts... AA still has pilots working for them.

Not everyone is thrilled with the prospect of moving their family to those places or is willing to spordically commute from Africa or Asia to see their families. If that was my flying career option, I wouldn't fly.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
WN hasn't stolen all the 737 pilots with their top of the industry pay.

Southwest doesn't hire everyone who applies. Not everyone wants to work at Southwest. Not everyone wants to fly a 737 their entire career. Not everyone wants to start over. Or commute. Or whatever. Southwest gets great candidates, but they don't get everyone.


User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2693 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 14):
Well my company hired quite a few ex-Eastern pilots from "the last days," and I know tons more at (or retired from) other carriers, in the FAA, and other respectable, responsible jobs.

Well I think we all know how much credibility to give XT6wagon, the post you quoted simply being the icing on the cake.


User currently offlinegenybustrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8903 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 13):
My employer is thinking the same thing. Despite our contract, embargo on all AA flights unless it is a code-share operated by another carrier.

We have an AA ban too as of last week. AA is not our contract carrier (UA, Delta, US) but I know we send a fair amount of business its way through out of policy requests for direct flights or time preferences. Point is, Corporate travel has two priorities, manage costs and, probably more important, get employes where they need to go seamlessly.

I'd bet that AAs last minute, high fare business sales have plunged just as fast as it's on time performance.

The last thing any corporate travel manager wants is a bunch of angry, delayed travelers sending nasty e-mails and buying walk-up fares on another airline when AA $%^&s the traveler.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 8):
I love AA and out of the 103,356 miles I've flown this year I have had 0 cancelled flights and can count on one hand the number of times I've been significantly delayed.

Where have you flown into/out of?

EVERY AA flight I take is delayed (and I'm not just talking the past 2 weeks, but the past 4 years!). I fly:

MIA-NYC-MIA
MIA-MSY-MIA
MIA-LAX-MIA
MIA-ORD-MIA
MIA-NAS-MIA


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8505 times:
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I find the whole AA situation quite sad.

Itst one thing to go bankrupt or belly up.

But AA's seems a long drawn out torturous affair. CAncellations, infighting made public, loose seats,....

like watching a company slowly implode....

I truly wish the company well.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8303 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 18):
I find the whole AA situation quite sad.

Itst one thing to go bankrupt or belly up.

But AA's seems a long drawn out torturous affair. CAncellations, infighting made public, loose seats,....

Hmm this explains a lot.

RUMOR ALERT from Tempe:

US is holding back on its merger of AA because of this. Anyone got anything to support this? I heard this from people walking around Mill and from an FA on top of T-4 last week.



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User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8174 times:

My parents were recently delayed 22+ hours on AA992 coming to the US. They are now sitting in MIA on AA991 going home. They just announced a dent on the wing and that they might need to take the airplane out of service.

I wonder how much money AA is losing per day with this turtle operation in progress. My favorite airline, 9 year ExecPlat. Doesn't seem to have an end insight!


User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8078 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
US is holding back on its merger of AA because of this.

Would you blame them if this is true? It's just like buying anything else. (assuming US would be the acquiring party) Who would want to buy substandard merchandise?


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3393 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 10):
Didn't keep anyone from hiring exEA pilots.....many work at AA today :-/

Legal stikes are one thing, and illegal work actions that drive the company you work for out of operations is a whole different thing. No one believes the union line that the Pilots are the victims in the whole delay/cancelation nightmare. Perhaps they are not alone in misbehaving, but there is clear evidence that pilots are not doing their jobs. Not all, but enough that literally overnight AA became unable to operate to even a minimal acceptable standard.

Wouldn't that make *YOU* keep looking in the resume pile if you knew that a person was a member of a group that would rather put tens of thousands out of work, than find common ground for a workable contract? One who instead of moving on and finding a new job when no longer satisfied with the current job, would rather burn the company to the ground? I know I would. Maybe when the 1500hr rule hits hard on the regionals and the bottom of the resume pile is reached... but certainly not for someone asking $100K+ a year and control of one of the companies best planes.


User currently offlineJONC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):

I am beginning to wonder at what point US would be better off waiting for a liquidation. . .all you would need is for a bank to pull the plug. . . .and it would happen. . . On a serious note, I think liquidation for AA is more likely now than it was even 6 months ago. Thats pretty sad. . . I feel bad for everyone over there.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):
Where have you flown into/out of?

EVERY AA flight I take is delayed (and I'm not just talking the past 2 weeks, but the past 4 years!). I fly:

MIA-NYC-MIA
MIA-MSY-MIA
MIA-LAX-MIA
MIA-ORD-MIA
MIA-NAS-MIA

I think the bigger question is where have you been flying? I have averaged a trip on AA every 3-4 weeks for the last years and would say that on average my flights have been on-time about 80-85% of the time, even including during this recent slowdown.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
RUMOR ALERT from Tempe:

US is holding back on its merger of AA because of this. Anyone got anything to support this? I heard this from people walking around Mill and from an FA on top of T-4 last week.

Doubt if highly. Parker wants a merger, and a little labor unhappiness or operational chaos has never slowed him down until now with any of the other airlines he's run.


25 LDVAviation : And, which bank would that be? The one providing DIP financing? SMH.
26 PHX787 : It came off as a surprise but I think some people really kinda saw it coming. Someone definitely didn't do something right. I agree, If US or anyone
27 RedTailDTW : My flight from Chicago to Phoenix was delayed a couple days ago. They were having issues because our flight crew was delayed inbound from DFW. They en
28 JoeCanuck : For better or worse, the general public thinks of striking pilots much the same way as striking professional athletes; people who have it pretty good,
29 N737AA : Nice post! N737AA
30 Revelation : Despite AA going into BK with cash on hand and getting DIP (debtor in possession) financing, AA is insolvent. AA owes a heck of a lot more than its a
31 futureualpilot : So if you saw AA on someone's resume, you'd just assume they were guilty? Why stop there? Some airlines have scabs, would you give them preferential
32 EricAY05 : Could someone please very briefly summon what is going on? I'm planning to buy tickets to an AA flight in November, but am hesitating because of what
33 N62NA : I clearly wrote where I've been flying in the post that you quoted! LOL
34 aaexecplat : Did my four segments as usual this week on AA and had no delays, no cancellations, and no crawling taxi speeds. Maybe the guidance from APA, the threa
35 tonytifao : 68 mainline cancellations so far today. Most of them 757s. Are these cancelled by AA as a result of 757 inspection on seats or by the slowdown operati
36 SCL767 : More flights are canceled for today and tomorrow. Certain flights that are affected include: MIA-CCS CCS-MIA MIA-LIM LIM-MIA MIA-LPB-VVI LPB-VVI-MIA
37 TexL1649 : If US does buy (most of) AA in liquidation, it will be fitting that the pilots will literally get nothing. Sure, many will get re-hired, but nada othe
38 AAR90 : This morning, AA ordered an additional inspection of the 48 B757s with the Weber seats prior to their next revenue flight. Only certain AA maintenanc
39 aluminumtubing : That might be the way you hope it is, but I don't think that will be the likely scenario. It is a very complicated situation and I would suggest you
40 tonytifao : Thanks AAR90!
41 QANTASvJet : 'American Airlines' is such an amazing brand name - I wonder who will buy it when there is nothing else left?
42 Post contains images CIDFlyer : My flight from LAX to DFW on an AA 767 was cancelled Sunday. It appears they loaded another flight on an MD80 into the schedule as it was a 99XX numbe
43 Post contains images OB1504 : Any issue, no matter how small, is written up and inspected prior to departure. That means the pilots are doing their job too well, and AA management
44 commavia : I was being sarcastic. Let's hope.
45 Post contains images clrd4t8koff : Wait, let me get this straight - you were delayed 1 hour 15 mins and you were given $250 in travel vouchers? Something's being left out or AA wants t
46 LAXintl : AA announced it will trim its November schedule by further 1 percent to build aircraft and crew availability.
47 Post contains links quiet1 : "American Airlines said it will cut back on passenger capacity until mid-November, extending reductions from September and October as it cancelled hun
48 N62NA : It's been a week at least since we got an update, so how are things going these days? Same miserable on-time numbers?
49 commavia : Not that I can find. The actual AA statement I can find - quoted on the websites of both of AA's hometown papers - says absolutely nothing about pilo
50 LAXintl : Well yesterday the non-advanced scheduling cancellation count was mere 3. On-time arrivals however were still in the toilet at 67%. Today as of 10 Cen
51 AirlineCritic : So... apologies for asking the same thing again and again by different people. Do I dare book on AA? How bad is the situation? Flying in a couple of w
52 LAXintl : Cancellations are down, but ontime reliability is still poor. I guess as long as talks continue with the pilots and there is no bad news things will r
53 Post contains links commavia : Regardless of the doom and gloom you might read on here, things are dramatically improved. AA is now essentially back to where they were in terms of
54 American 767 : About a week ago, I flew MIA-MCO then MCO-JFK. Both flights were 757s. The MIA-MCO flight was delayed because of a MX issue with the airplane, they ha
55 LAXintl : LOL. I guess you consider 1/4 customers considering taking their business somewhere else as being good ? Frankly that is devastating. For each potent
56 RyanairGuru : Do you have a source for this figure? It's just, like 3/3, I often think such talk from most frequent flyers is just that, talk. They will threaten t
57 Post contains images commavia : "Devastating." LOL is right. I don't know why I'd expect anything else. Let's see what portion of customers AA actually loses long-term. Just like oh
58 LAXintl : In the reply 53 link. Despite that, only one-third are worried about the safety of American flights. And nearly three quarters of the survey responde
59 PHX787 : That's a lot of customers. The bottom line on any company, especially someone that's floundering around like AA, is going to be drastically affected.
60 LDVAviation : One EXP who spends thousands a year? My partner just spent thousands on a RTW, oneworld itinerary ticketed by AA, which included transatlantic/transp
61 commavia : I'm sure if you generically asked people in a survey if they were thinking of switching brands on one product or another, many if not most companys'
62 neveragain : What a bizarre survey (as described in that link). The sample was "passengers of American and other airlines?" I wonder what percentage had experienc
63 commavia : But again - context is important - and in this case we - or at least I - don't have it. What is that compared to? Was that just people saying in gene
64 neveragain : And we can be fairly certain how you will interpret it. The survey results are pretty dismal as presented. I question the validity of such a nonsense
65 commavia : I disagree that they're dismal - as presented or as interpreted by me or anyone else. How "dismal" would an identical survey at Delta, United or USAi
66 neveragain : Probably the main point is that the survey as intended is not very meaningful or useful, and as such, it doesn't make much sense to waste any time tr
67 LDVAviation : And, with good reason. AA enticed many of the United 1K's with an EXP match and SWU's. What they found when they got to AA is that AA's meal service
68 PHX787 : Again, that's a lot of pax. The larger the plane, the more people you're gonna have worried (given that number)
69 RyanairGuru : Sorry, I completely missed that! I got caught up in the spin and saw the positive, not even noticing the implicit negative in the figures. That's tru
70 baldheadeddork : I know this seems like a small point, but it's not. The NHL players are not on strike. They have been locked out by the team owners to force the unio
71 Cubsrule : How much does a "typical" first officer at AA make? I believe a 5 year narrowbody f/o is at $95, with a 64 hour guarantee. That's about $73,000 per y
72 CitationJet : I remember many years ago when American Eagle was hiring in ICT, and the local McDonalds at the airport was offering a higher hourly rate than Eagle
73 JoeCanuck : Nope...I did a pretty good job of making my point clearly the first time. Interpretation problems are on the reader.[Edited 2012-10-18 07:00:22]
74 AAR90 : On Nov.01, the most junior pilot will have 11.5 years seniority with AA.
75 Cubsrule : Thanks, AAR90. If my math is correct, that means that no AA pilot makes less than $83,000 (those who get bumped to the 319 will make less than that).
76 N62NA : That's a good rule of thumb with ANY airline in the USA these days. If I have to be somewhere and the only way to get there is to fly, I take a fligh
77 Post contains links lightsaber : With 1,685 on furlough, I doubt AA has hired a pilot (whom is flying/being paid) in the last 7 years. So it looks like $86/hour will be their minimum
78 Revelation : Being in BK is already a situation that's not pretty to be in. It's never particularly clear what customer base you'll have once you emerge from BK.
79 AAR90 : You data is probably old. On Nov.01, the most junior CA (ex-TW) has an Oct.2000 seniority date. Original date-of-hire with TW was Dec.1988. On Nov.01
80 N62NA : Your choice. Ever fly to NYC?
81 lightsaber : Fair enough, hence why I gave a link. So instead of 1992 it is Mar 1998. So a FO must have 14 years of seniority to be a captain. Is that the Oct 200
82 AAR90 : No. Looks like an original hire date in Feb. 2000. As of Nov. 01, 2012... Total Active Pilots = 7,648 3,599 Captains + 4,049 First Officers 898 pilot
83 Cubsrule : What percentage of flights to NYC do not arrive within 4 hours of their scheduled arrival? How about 12 hours? How about 24 hours?
84 Post contains images N62NA : 50% 10% 5% * Numbers based on just my own experience, flying AA MIA to NYC (EWR, LGA and JFK) over the past 5 years.
85 Post contains links lightsaber : Yes. I find the B6 redeye to JFK has been 100% dependable. I'm in the city having breakfast before anyone else is awake besides a few garbage trucks.
86 Post contains images N62NA : Hint: It's in the title of this topic.
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