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EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L  
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11314 times:

In this picture from the database of LHR in the early 2005, there is an EI a321 at a gate with the jetway connected to door 2L! How is this possible? I thought all a321s could only have the jetway connected to door 1L? Are there any airlines that currently still do this and is there a special modification or variant that requires/allows this?

http://www.airliners.net/photo//1065826/L/


Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!!

-Don

[Edited 2012-10-01 20:19:34]

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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

LH does this in MUC as well. From what I understand it depends on the design on the jetway.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10963 times:

EI, BMI ,LH all used to do it from what I recall.

The door at 2L on an A321 is large enough for passenger use. Back when EI first got their A321s there used to be a galley at 2R for its Premier Europe service which gave space to allow passenger boarding through that door. It never happened in DUB but LHR regularly used it. However since the aircraft have been reconfigured into an all economy layout the space between rows at this exit has been lessened and the door has now been reclassified as an emergency exit only.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10881 times:

I'd really like to know this too. Thanks for posting this question.
I've been told, 1) the position of 2L is too close to the engine, and thus is at high risk of damage from a rogue jetway; 2) 2L isn't a regular size door for en/deplaning. Instead, it's used as an emergency exit.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

LH also use that on some gates in FRA also. A321 and also 757 second doors are big for passenger boarding. And boarding procedure become much faster with jetway connected to second door as passengers split two ways just after entering the aircraft.

User currently offlineYYCspotter From Canada, joined Jul 2012, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

The Airbus A321 can use its 2L door as a passnger door, but only if it is in passenger door configuration. as long as the slide is disarmed, it, and (Although unlikely) even the 3L door can be used if needed.


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User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Door 3L is not full height, so although it can be disarmed, passengers would have to duck down to board.

User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

There is a simple reason for this. Its generally only at LHR 2L is used and only on stand 90.

It's because the taxiway behind curves a little bit and the 321 must taxi in closer to the terminal to allow for wing clearance.


User currently offlineShamrock137 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

I imagine it also has to do with jetway size. Their are many different types of jetways, some small enough to be used on an ERJ145 without an adapter, to those that are extra wide for larger aircraft such as the A380. This affects the maneuverability of the jetway and its footprint on the ramp.


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User currently offlinerufusisgod From Ireland, joined Nov 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

The Jetway is the standard size on stand 90. As it's used for 320s also. My reason above is the reason why its done. I've operated into LHR for the past 7 yrs. It's always the way on that stand.

User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 4):
LH also use that on some gates in FRA also.

I've been on LH A321 flights out of Frankfurt where they had two jetbridges attached. Business boarded through 1L and economy through 2L.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

Generally speaking, doors 2L on the A321 is rarely used and the main reason for this is that the door is actually pretty close to the number 1 engine. Indeed, that is why the slide is slightly slanted. I think the thinking is why increase the risk of engine damage when 1L does the job for the size of aircraft. In my time on the 321 we used 2L a couple of times....mainly due to a parking or airbridge error which made it necassary to use that door.


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 9):
The Jetway is the standard size on stand 90. As it's used for 320s also. My reason above is the reason why its done. I've operated into LHR for the past 7 yrs. It's always the way on that stand.

Stand 90 hasnt been in use for at least 3 years, possibly 4 years now. All the jetties have been removed and the stands used by BA for coaching stands from T3!



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
I've been on LH A321 flights out of Frankfurt where they had two jetbridges attached. Business boarded through 1L and economy through 2L.

  


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

EI stopped using stand 90 for their A321s once they were reconfigured to 212 seats as it made boarding and disembarking very difficult as the seats are next to the door. They were reconfigured in about 2004 IIRC.

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 14):
EI stopped using stand 90 for their A321s once they were reconfigured to 212 seats as it made boarding and disembarking very difficult as the seats are next to the door.

Why is that? on FR 737's the seats are right up to the door also.


User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

FR do not operate the A321. If you are referring to the Boeing 737-800 that they operate, then that will be because the emergency exit's are just small over-wing window exits and not full sized doors. As such they only require a small ammount of extra room to facilitate the occupant's use of the exit. The A321 emergency exits are more or less the same size as a standard boarding door, though in the main, doors 2 and 3 are not as tall. obviously such a large exit can not be blocked by rows of seats regardless of whether it can be used for boarding or soley as an emergency exit. At worst, you will normally find a row at the exit but the window seat missing, to create an assist space for the crew to use the door. The row itself will generally have more legroom than other standard rows. Each door will also have a crew-seat (station adjacent to it. FR do not have crew seats at their emergency exits as they are not floor level exits.

User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Unlike the FR 738s there are no seats in front of the exit which come back in line with the exit, there isn't as much space on an A321 at Door 2 as there is at the front of a 738. Door 2 was used a few times for boarding and it was found that boarding was a lot slower than if Door 1 was used, so the decision was taken not to use the door for boarding.

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 16):
Quoting ACEregular (Reply 16):
FR do not operate the A321. If you are referring to the Boeing 737-800 that they operate, then that will be because the emergency exit's are just small over-wing window exits and not full sized doors. As such they only require a small ammount of extra room to facilitate the occupant's use of the exit. The A321 emergency exits are more or less the same size as a standard boarding door, though in the main, doors 2 and 3 are not as tall. obviously such a large exit can not be blocked by rows of seats regardless of whether it can be used for boarding or soley as an emergency exit. At worst, you will normally find a row at the exit but the window seat missing, to create an assist space for the crew to use the door. The row itself will generally have more legroom than other standard rows. Each door will also have a crew-seat (station adjacent to it. FR do not have crew seats at their emergency exits as they are not floor level exits.

I was referring to the fact that the FR 737 seats are right up next to the PAX door, not the overwing exit.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 18):
I was referring to the fact that the FR 737 seats are right up next to the PAX door, not the overwing exit.

This thread is about the use of Doors 2 on an A321. With the reconfiguration of the aircraft to a higher density layout by EI door 2L on the 321 literally leaves minimal room as required for evacuating through that door. If you were to board/disembark at that door now passengers would have barely any space to pass thanks to 9BC and would be made even worse if customers had already settled into 10ABC. There is literally no room to manouver there!



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