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The Dirty War To Save AR : No Taxes In 2013  
User currently offlinegonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14247 times:

The dirty war of the Argentinian authorities against LAN and the fairness of a free market , has another weapon in the battlefield now.
The budget for the year 2013 will include a special treat for AR, and all the affiliate companies like Austral or JetPack. All the taxes for these companies will be condoned. This will add another level of imbalance to the already unfair environment for the free competition, since LAN Argentina must pay all the taxes.
We have now :
* 2 Million dollars daily subsidizing the airline's loses
* Denial of entry to new planes in the fleet of LAN
* Denial of more LAN frequencies on important routes like MIA
* Denial of use of AEP for LAN flights to destinations in Chile and Brazil
* Full taxes for LAN, no taxes for AR...

I wonder how the AR planes are still allowed to fly into SCEL....it is time to draw some red lines.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1513198-f...ineas-un-extenso-perdon-impositivo

( And still there are some people who ask why there's a thread regarding this clowns every week...)


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14274 times:
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Why doesn't the Argentinian government pay a consulting firm to fix the problems in AR? They would not be the first ones to do so.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14217 times:
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Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
* Denial of use of AEP for LAN flights to destinations in Chile and Brazil

LAN Airlines operates SCL-AEP 3x daily! TAM Airlines operates GRU-AEP 3x daily!

Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
Full taxes for LAN, no taxes for AR...

LAN Argentina is a private airline; not a state owned company!

Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
I wonder how the AR planes are still allowed to fly into SCEL....it is time to draw some red lines.

Why? LAN dominates the SCL-AEP and SCL-EZE routes. AR/AU simply cannot compete with LAN in the free market; compare their operations to LAN's on the SCL-BUE and LIM-EZE routes. It's rumoured that AR will be returning an undisclosed number of A343s back to their lessor(s) next year. Guess which airline's A343s they want to buy?


User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14134 times:

Sorry to tell you that guys, but I am 100% in support of Argentinean government in trying to save AR !! It was and will be the only national carrier in Argentina ..... Would you be happy to see if Aerolineas Argentinas were trying to "Take Over " Chilean domestic and regional markets ?? I guess - NO !! Same here . Nobody wants to have foreign airline to dominate domestic air services even if it is better in all aspects of service on board and on the ground . Argentina was always associated with Aerolineas Argentinas or Austral and would never be associated with LAN .

Look at Lufthansa Italy brand- did not live for a long time, though LH is not to compare with AZ in terms of service .
I guess most of the passengers still prefer to fly their "National Carrier" rather then an intruder ...

Just my IMO ......


User currently offlineLVICS From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13732 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 3):

I see your point, but my money goes to LAN (or 4M, or LP) only when I purchase a ticket from them. On the other hand, since AR/AU are artificially breathing with money they get from the Government, my money goes to them every day. IMO, with no good reason, or I'd rather say for the sake of populism (and, I think, for other reasons that are plainly illegitimate).


User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13556 times:

If they wanted LAN out so bad why don't they just pass a law that All foreign owned airlines aren't allowed to operate domestic routes? But until that it is rather low of the Argentinian government to say that AR and company don't have to pay taxes while LAN still does.


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User currently offlinegonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13298 times:

Quoting LVICS (Reply 4):
I see your point, but my money goes to LAN (or 4M, or LP) only when I purchase a ticket from them. On the other hand, since AR/AU are artificially breathing with money they get from the Government, my money goes to them every day. IMO, with no good reason, or I'd rather say for the sake of populism (and, I think, for other reasons that are plainly illegitimate).

I'm glad to see that there are still people with the capability of seeing the deep implications of this "flag carrier" issue, and I find sad that, in contrast with you, a big number of the people of Argentina is not seeing this.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 5):
If they wanted LAN out so bad why don't they just pass a law that All foreign owned airlines aren't allowed to operate domestic routes?

I'm afraid that they are not so far from this. I bet you that until now the K administration find that measure too extreme only because of the poor public image of AR even inside Argentina, and probably all the flying public will protest against a law that eliminates their only option for better fares and service. But if the situation of AR doesn't improves ( the most probable future IMHO ), the next moves to ( desperately ) implement will be of that nature, I'm completely sure.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13200 times:
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Quoting gonzalo (Reply 6):
I'm afraid that they are

That's not going to happen and the current President of Argentina is not elected for life. Currently, Argentina is in a recession while the Chilean, Colombian and Peruvian economies continue to show signs of strong economic growth. LATAM has a strong presence in that country and has created many jobs. For example, the number of Chileans traveling to Argentina has increased significantly as many pax take short trips to B.A. due to the devaluation of the Argentine Peso. LAN Argentina will reduce frequency on the SCL-EZE route and LAN Airlines will increase frequency on the route so that LAN Argentina can increase frequencies on certain domestic routes. It's interesting to note that while Argentina has a larger population than Chile, the Chilean domestic market is larger and continues to grow rapidly, (domestic traffic within Chile increased by 24% in August compared to August, 2011). Oh and LAN continues to operate non-stop flights between RGL and MPN!


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13147 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 3):
Nobody wants to have foreign airline to dominate domestic air services even if it is better in all aspects of service on board and on the ground .

Nobody? Everybody wants inferior service if that's what the flag carrier offers? Everyone is ready to pay more tax so their flag carrier can continue to operate and offer an inferior service to them?


User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13158 times:

I could understand up to a point the "romantic" idea of saving the flag carrier and saving it from the "savage competition" from the larger carriers out there. But this is way beyond that. It's a very dirty war, and the lack of fair competition in the long run end in lousy service and internal chaos. Unions for example know that they can get away with murder as far as interrupting services. There is no motivation to excellence as they know they will always be protected whether they do a great or an awful job. I'm not saying that's the case. In fact I flew AR recently after a long time and my impression was better than what I expected. I hope that could be consistent.

In the long run the customers suffer the consequences. Not to mention the Argentine taxpayer...



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User currently offlinegonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
That's not going to happen and the current President of Argentina is not elected for life.

I really, really hope you are right on both. But she is doing many things to modify the Constitution, with the ultimate goal of being re-elected one more time....Many years ago some Mr. Chavez did the same and....well, you know....
And regarding what can happen or not in Argentina, well, the 2001 breakdown, the REPSOL case and the prohibition ( to the general public but not for the friends and family of "K people" ) regarding the foreign money exchange, are just a sample of the certainty you can have in the country. Sorry, but ANYTHING can happen in Argentina.



Quoting 757gb (Reply 9):
It's a very dirty war, and the lack of fair competition in the long run end in lousy service and internal chaos.

And the public who needs to fly is, by far, the biggest looser in this cases.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12133 times:
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Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
( And still there are some people who ask why there's a thread regarding this clowns every week...)

is not just here. The financial times had an article yesterday, "Cristina Fernandez draws another yellow card from the IMF". It wasn't about the airlines but same type of stuff...

Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
The dirty war of the Argentinian authorities against LAN and the fairness of a free market

For whatever reason you seem to think the Argentinian government has a personal thing against LAN.... they're pulling this stuff (protectionisim) in all industries to keep their economy from becoming unglue, they're even claiming inflation is only 10% when in reality is 20%.

Is not just LAN, but I see what you're saying


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Good, I greatly respect Argentinean government. I think every country should have their own subsidized national airline, free market today sucks and brings both quality and safety standards down.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11971 times:
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For all the uses the Government of Argentina has for a billion dollars subsidizing an airline is not the best use. Close the airline down and pension off the employees, its cheaper in the long run. AR is an anachronism in a modern time. IF It was 1930 it would be a great instrument if Argentina had an empire and needed air links to sustain it. Times have moved on, its time AR does too.

User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11485 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 12):
I think every country should have their own subsidized national airline, free market today sucks and brings both quality and safety standards down.

I presume you are being sarcastic. I live in England and am one of those deprived citizens of a country with no subsidised flag carrier. We have to put up with British Airways which replaced BEA and BOAC of which we were all so, so proud. As well as that, we all miss having to finance the losses of our flag carriers so, so much.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Is AR an airline or a essential air-transportation provider or a reason to keep hundreds of Argentinean on a payroll?
If AR was an airline and managed as such, with some lean structure and optimal fleet, it may survive and do accomplish something among Latin America airlines..
The way I see it AR is on its way to become to Argentina what Conviasa is to Venezuela.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 3):
Nobody wants to have foreign airline to dominate domestic air services even if it is better in all aspects of service on board and on the ground .

Tell that to the people of Peru and Ecuador. It's not LAN's fault that Aerolineas Argentinas is so terribly managed, nor should LAN be punished for it.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 12):
Good, I greatly respect Argentinean government. I think every country should have their own subsidized national airline, free market today sucks and brings both quality and safety standards down.

Because AR is a shining beacon of world-class service and reliability...   


User currently offlineSamuP From Colombia, joined Jul 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11286 times:

Letting AR die and pensioning off the employees will open the market for private capital to start an Argentinian based airline to compete with LAN Argentina. There will be no tax revenues wasted on maintaining the AR dinosaur alive, many if not all of AR's employees could find employment with LAN Argentina's expansion in the domestic and Intl markets, or with the new private ventures that may arise. Furthermore, the Argentinian public (and for that matter the flying public in general) would benefit from having fair competition in the market, offering competitive pricing and products.

Flag carriers are a thing of the past ... some brands have survived, but the rule is they survived thanks to the government privatizing them ... there are examples everywhere. I would love to see the AR brand survive and thrive .. but I am certain this will not be the case if things continue this way. Argentina is a wonderful country and it deserves a world class (privately owned) airline!

  

Best regards to all my Argentinian friends   


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11143 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 11):
Is not just LAN, but I see what you're saying

LAN Argentina will offer up to 225 weekly domestic flights for the upcoming high season:

AEP-BHI 12x weekly A-320
AEP-BRC 29x weekly A-320
AEP-COR 31x weekly A-320
AEP-CRD 8x weekly A-320
AEP-IGR 25x weekly A-320
AEP-UAQ-MDZ 5x weekly A-320
AEP-MDZ 26x weekly A-320
AEP-NQN 3x daily A-320
AEP-RGL 4x weekly A-320
AEP-SLA 20x weekly A-320
AEP-TUC 20x weekly A-320
AEP-FTE-USH weekly A-320
AEP-USH 9x weekly A-320
EZE-FTE daily A-320
EZE-USH daily A-320

Source: LAN.com

LAN will also increase capacity on certain regional routes, i.e. SCL-MDZ 3x daily A-320, SCL-COR 2x daily A-320, LIM-COR daily A-319, and will resume seasonal flights on the SCL-IQQ-SLA route 2x weekly A-320.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 3):
Sorry to tell you that guys, but I am 100% in support of Argentinean government in trying to save AR !! It was and will be the only national carrier in Argentina ..... Would you be happy to see if Aerolineas Argentinas were trying to "Take Over " Chilean domestic and regional markets ?? I guess - NO !! Same here . Nobody wants to have foreign airline to dominate domestic air services even if it is better in all aspects of service on board and on the ground . Argentina was always associated with Aerolineas Argentinas or Austral and would never be associated with LAN .

Well ... I'm not. One thing is trying to save AR, another thing is increasing it's deficit every month at our expense. I would prefer my tax money to go where things are really a necessity and not in air travel, a good that is used by a very small percentage of the population. And if I really have to do this, at least I would expect the company to run like a proiper company, and not a freaking monopoly. The govt' is so freakin' scared of Lan that they'll do anything ...



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10183 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
The govt' is so freakin' scared of Lan that they'll do anything ...

Why are they scared of LAN? Is it because they can only control domestic airfares within Argentina and not international airfares and foreign customers that want to travel within Argentina usually pay higher airfares and tend to fly on LAN? Is AR starting to feel the pressure with LAN and TAM combining and the number of regional flights that LATAM operates into Argentina; especially AEP/EZE via their hubs at GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10154 times:
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AR has always been at a geographic disadvantage at the end of Latin America. The Brazilian airlines use EZE as a great feeder for GRU. TAM operates A330's regularly from Sao Paulo to Buenos Aires.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10048 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
The Brazilian airlines use EZE as a great feeder for GRU. TAM operates A330's regularly from Sao Paulo to Buenos Aires.

LAN operates LIM-EZE 3x daily with the B763 and SCL-EZE 50x weekly and will soon deploy the 787 on the route 22x weekly.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 3):
Nobody wants to have foreign airline to dominate domestic air services even if it is better in all aspects of service on board and on the ground .

I've never read such rubbish in my entire life. Nobody wants a service that is better in every aspect if its foreign? LOL what planet are you living on, Probably the same one as the Argentinian government. They are morons on every level.. Embarassing Argentina every day in every way.

The only people that lose out are Argentinians watching their taxes go down a black hole of fail.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

Quoting gonzalo (Thread starter):
* Denial of more LAN frequencies on important routes like MIA

LAN Argentina has tried multiple times to start EZE-GIG service, but was barred by the Argentinian ANAC even though there were and there still are available frequencies for Argentinian airlines.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
LAN Argentina will reduce frequency on the SCL-EZE route and LAN Airlines will increase frequency on the route

How many frequencies are there for Chilean airlines to fly to Argentina? How many are still available? I ask, because the Brazil-Argentina bilateral agreement has been maxed out for years on the Brazilian side, but Argentina refuses an amendment.


25 SCL767 : Chile has "Open Skies" with Argentina. Currently Chilean carriers operate 110 weekly frequencies between Chile and Argentina. LAN Airlines operates S
26 ghost77 : Unfair??? Well, don´t you want to understand or don´t you have a clue about politics? And that the current leftist government won´t change and tha
27 SCL767 : Actually LAN is increasing frequencies into Bolivia next month by adding a third daily flight. LAN also holds the route authority to increase frequen
28 C010T3 : Is it a full open skies agreement or only local? If it's full, why doesn't LAN Chile fly SCL-EZE-XXX since LAN Argentina can't?
29 iFlyLOTs : I think you missed his point. He's saying that all those countries have their government control their airlines, whether or not they're profitable is
30 SCL767 : It's only between points in Chile and points in Argentina. Remember when PAL launched SCL-COR and LAN responded by increasing frequency on the route
31 andrefranca : Because they are struggling to solve their own problems? Kischner now with 20% of popularity! ouch! what will be her next step? That's the why AR sho
32 Arcano : Actually, LAN stated last week that they have no news about Argentina denial, and called their relations with Argentine Government as "excellent". Wh
33 C010T3 : That's the thing. People wouldn't have anything to complain about if the government declared AR's monopoly, but that did not happen. They are pretend
34 AR385 : Right. And do tell, how many years (and bailouts) did that take? But you see, what many don´t understand here, is that Argentina is not a free marke
35 SCL767 : Have you noticed that AR now has certain "agreements" with both Sol Líneas Aéreas and BQB Líneas aéreas. Sol will feed AR/AU operated flights via
36 757gb : Well that's thanks to the "brilliant" move by the UY government to shut Pluna down in one day... The void created was filled right away by AR. Now wh
37 gonzalo : I agree that we must stay within the limits of the laws, agreements and bilateral treaties signed in the past. But having one "partner" who is consta
38 SCL767 : People will start to flee Argentina should it go the way of Venezuela. Even in stable democratic countries where there are currently high rates of un
39 pvjin : In those countries it is not only understandable but actually right thing to do... If you look how foreign corporations keep messing around in places
40 SCL767 : LATAM will add three new daily flights into MVD soon. It will be interesting to see if any major carriers decrease flights into EZE in the near-term.
41 C010T3 : What bailout? RG was never bailed out. RG was also never state-owned.
42 jfk777 : The sad thing is that the Argentine Government is causing far wider damage to the entire airline economy there by supporting AR. IF LAN becomes the ma
43 757gb : Is that from SCL?
44 EZEIZA : Well, try go public against the governent ... I certainly don't want to see AR becoming one. True, but legislative elections are next year, so number
45 757gb : Precisely... the other thing that I see is that with AR she got a double whammy: she can play as dirty as she wants and at election time say that she
46 Bobloblaw : They way to save AR is to fix the Argentine economy. Problem Argentina has a Peron mentality that destroys the competitiveness of everything in the co
47 EZEIZA : And in this specific case, it's even more important. The vast majority of voters don't even know where the airport is, and obviously don't have the m
48 abrelosojos : As much as I am a free market advocate, I am going to take the contrarian view as I am getting tired of the same old "poor LAN" syndrome that seems to
49 2travel2know2 : Neither Avianca nor TACA have't been good for any airline start-up in Central America.. Aces Colombia, Aero Costa Rica and Tikal Jet (Guatemala) name
50 Post contains images EZEIZA : At least it's a success, and it makes a profit
51 gonzalo : I hope you are not serious about this. PU was massacred by Leadgate ( Argentine ), property of Mr. Campiani ( Argentine ), with the notorious and str
52 kiramakora : Like Pinochet and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
53 757gb : As Gonzalo mentioned PU had plenty of people messing them up. I am not familiar with issues regarding LAN's pricing. I CAN tell you however that PU w
54 SCL767 : LA will increase frequency on the SCL-MVD route from 14x weekly up to 22x weekly and will deploy the B763 on the route on certain days for the high s
55 757gb : Thanks
56 gonzalo : Completely Off Topic. I'm referring to the facts of today, not 40 years ago. We honor the international rules since the return to democracy, in 1990,
57 EZEIZA : Well, I don't know what the level of corruption is in Chile at a large scale, but as a small example of what I do know; try bribe a policeman in Cihl
58 g500 : a bit too much, no reason to go there, we're talking airlines here
59 Post contains links gonzalo : Fortunately, the answer is yes, at greater scale the corruption is low too. There are some cases here and there, but usually they are discovered and
60 EZEIZA : I'm sure that for CFK, this list is made by the evil media corporations that want to provoke a coup ... Thanks for the list Gonzalo, although I sadly
61 argiepilot : Jajajajaja. Indeed we have very vigilant neighbours always worried about what happens at Argentina. We also have fellow countrymen wishing they were l
62 dcajet : Oh... look... here is Gonzalo's weekly post bashing Argentina. Seriously, you have become a broken record... Freud would have had a field day with you
63 Post contains images gonzalo : It is really funny how some people react when is confronted with unpleasant facts. If all this analysis were about an airline in Malaysia, Nigeria or
64 argiepilot : Gonzalo. I read your posts but I do not agree with your thoughts or points of views regarding the topics discussed in this and similar threads. It is
65 sciurusmdg : Sorry, but these post are not Argentina bashing... they are a summary of what schemes AR , and the government have come up with to keep the airline r
66 SCL767 : Setting up clone airlines in other countries? What a fabrication. LAN is a transparent carrier that is publicly traded on various stock exchanges. Al
67 argiepilot : To the Argentine involved in aviation: Why should Argentina's concern be how others are affected in the Southern Cone? Do you think that Chile, Brasil
68 sciurusmdg : I was about to edit my post to say exactly that... thanks for taking the words out of my mouth. Why attack an airline that has a very good business r
69 sciurusmdg : I was not saying that it is Argentina's concern how others are affected, but that it is relevant to anyone in the Southern Cone how Argentina acts, s
70 AR385 : Gonzalo, Please try to understand this. You are seeing AR as a company established in an economy that runs in a free market. Argentina, as I explained
71 gonzalo : Nothing wrong with that. I will gladly accept every opinion diverging of mine, if exposed with respect like you do. I don't accept that some others t
72 SCL767 : Things certainly changed yesterday when the police force and military held mass protests regarding the government's plan to lower their wages...Somet
73 gonzalo : I accept your critics and opinions.... although ( I'm sorry but ) I think you are forgetting one thing. Argentina failed in their attempt of having a
74 AR385 : I´m not so sure about that. The implementation of the Free Market Economy brought a lot of poverty and shot up the Gini index, and the middle class
75 EZEIZA : That's generalizing things a bit, isn't it? And if you say we (who are critics towards CFK's policies) are entitled to critisize, why do you say we "
76 2travel2know2 : Not sure if it has already happened, but has the Argentinean aviation authorises stopped LA (or any of their other airlines) or any other internationa
77 SCL767 : Gonzalo, LAN will now transfer more A320s over to LAN Colombia and LAN Ecuador.
78 gonzalo : I doubt that can happen. Regardless the governors can be pro-K or anti-K, the central government can strangulate the provinces economically at their
79 EZEIZA : Again, I agree 100%. That's the main point right there. AR, as much as the new scheme is nice, and we all love the 73NG's, is losing too much money,
80 SCL767 : LA recently increased frequency on the SCL-COR route to 2x daily and the SCL-MDZ route to 3x daily. LA will increase capacity on these routes by depl
81 Derico : Ain't gonna happen. The airline industry is a dead industry, it has no future, no further development. It barely survives today and only airliners th
82 2travel2know2 : Thanks for the press release. How many of those flights increases or new services happened because the provincial governments pressured the authoriti
83 sciurusmdg : To be honest, having flown AR this weekend to Mendoza, it is clear why the airline is having a problem... The attitude needs a complete overhaul. Mome
84 travelin man : Why do I get a feeling of "Air India" when Aerolineas Argentinas is mentioned? Granted, it is up to the government (and, indirectly, the Argentinian t
85 Gonzalo : Shocking story indeed.... but I believe you, I had a hard proof that the AR staff is not very worried about the passengers.... I was in MVD a couple
86 Post contains links and images Gonzalo : Additional to the taxes condoned for the next year, Minister Lorenzino announced more funds for about USD 52 Millions, to cover the losses of July and
87 sciurusmdg : Our flight back from Mendoza yesterday, was meant to be at 7.50pm, but at check in "Ask Agent" flashed up on the boards, when we asked, we were told
88 argiepilot : Many commentators don’t seem to be very informed. I doubt that many of the argentine commentators have ever been or travelled extensively on the cou
89 sciurusmdg : Lets take this down one point at a time. Firstly... I travel a lot within Argentina...and as mentioned before on this board, I work within Aviation i
90 Gonzalo : Hi, to be honest I don't have the first hand experience you are requesting. But I have questions that maybe you or someone else here can clarify : Ca
91 argiepilot : Gonzalo & sciurusmdg: Here are my thoughts: 1. LAN is a very good airline and no one can dispute that. It is way ahead of AR, in general. Clearly
92 travelin man : When has government ownership been good for ANY airline?
93 SCL767 : State-owned airlines are still quite common in South America: Argentina-Aerolíneas/Austral Líneas Aéreas Bolivia-Boliviana de Aviación/Transporte
94 RCS763AV : Well, the empire strikes again. Miss K is leading a once leading economy of latin america down the drain with her retarded policies. I am all against
95 sciurusmdg : I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous thing to say. If you think that, then you have been away too long from this country! Look in any of the papers an
96 Gonzalo : Well, if you look the amount of money that the government of Argentina is throwing in AR, certainly is "good" for the airline, at least for the manag
97 SCL767 : No comment. However, Ecuador allows LAN to transfer a/c to LAN Ecuador without any issues and to increase frequencies on domestic routes. Ecuador doe
98 EZEIZA : On the contrary, the last few flights I have had with AR/AU have had great crews and staff overall. The best example was BRC-AEP where a chaotic situ
99 Post contains images Gonzalo : Or you can try to open a new route network for LAFSA ..... oh wait.... something is missing here... Rgds. G.
100 EZEIZA : that would mean LAFSA employees would actually get paid for doing something. Come on, we all know that's NOT going to happen! lol!
101 SCL767 : AR/AU will soon change its operations between BUE and SCL. Current schedule: AU: AEP-SCL 18x weekly E90 AR: AEP-SCL weekly B73G AU: EZE-MDZ-SCL daily
102 Post contains links and images SCL767 : Gonzalo, LAN Argentina may indeed receive its 13th A-320 a/c by the end of this year, (LAN Argentina has 10 A-320s dedicated to domestic routes and 2
103 Gonzalo : What do you mean ? It is clear that LAN has the resources ( new planes ) , the intention to expand the fleet, the people trained to operate the plane
104 Post contains images SCL767 : LAN has the intention to train BUE crews for an additional a/c that will be based at AEP in order to reinforce frequencies to CRD and FTE. So let's s
105 Gonzalo : Well, I can try, but with Argentina that requires a BIG, BIG effort....I really hope you are right, since this will add capacity and consequently mor
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