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Australian Aviation Thread # 64  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24230 times:

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 64. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Virgin Australia announces it will suspend Brisbane-Hamilton (NZ) service from late October 2012
* Etihad announces daily services to Brisbane from February 2012
* China Southern announces seasonal services to Cairns, bringing Brisbane to daily as well
* Qantas confirms it will upgrade 16 of its 737-800s with a new product
* Skywest/Virgin Australia take delivery of their first ATR 72-600
* Melbourne Airport has recorded a 5% increase in total pax numbers during JUL (compared to JUL11)
* Qantas reveals details of its planned 767-300 refurbishments
* Qantas refreshes its website
* Singapore Airlines and A380s - Could they fly to Perth?
* Qantas and its Honolulu services
* Virgin Australia announced FY tax profit of $22.8m and a FY underlying PBT of $82.5m
* QantasLink announces it will refresh its 717 cabin and add more seats
* Emirates and Qantas partnership
* Qantas to introduce a chauffeur service for select pax (to mirror Emirates' offering)
* Qantas and Singapore service post APR13
* QantasLink announces Sydney-Gladstone Q400 flights in 2013 and regional NSW capacity increases
* Johannesburg to lose Qantas First Class offering from 01OCT12
* IASC approves extension of QF/SA JNB codeshare agreement through to end of 2014
* Australia - South Africa flights
* Australia - South America flights
* Sichuan Airlines announces new Melbourne to Chengdu flights, thrice weekly, commencing 2013
* Cathay Pacific makes minor flight number changes on some Brisbane services
* Aus BT reported SACL has scrapped plans to divide SYD airport into alliance based terminals
* First images of Melbourne new Southern Precinct have been released by architecture group Hassel
* EVA Air will end its codeshare agreement with Qantas on Brisbane-Taipei from March 2013
* Thai Airways announces it will deploy its A380s to Sydney in 2013
* Virgin Australia announces increases to Brisbane - Emerald, Rockhampton & Newcastle services

Australian Aviation Thread # 63

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24238 times:

* EVA Air will increase its twice-weekly Brisbane-Taipei services to thrice-weekly between 18DEC12 and 09JAN13. The flights will continue to arrive in the morning and depart at 2245L.

* Philippine Airlines has expressed interest in commencing flights to Darwin in 2013, however it hasn't been confirmed whether flights would originate in Manila or Davao.

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The VP Marketing Support however announced that PAL will start flying to Toronto with the new Boeing 777-300 ER. Two aircraft will be delivered this year with two other by next year. Among other new routes is a flight to Darwin which could start by early next year.
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Back in February it was reported that Philippine Airlines was interested in commencing direct flights between Davao, the business capital of southern Philippines and Darwin at an unspecified time in 2013. In July, Royal Orchard Airlines announced it would run a series of charter flights from Darwin to Cebu, Philippines in December 2012 and throughout 2013 using Qantas 737-800s.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24201 times:

Virgin Australia releases its new campaign - "The romance is back"

Virgin Australia - The romance is back

Quote:
Now You're Flying

The romance is back.

A lot goes into making an amazing airline – and over the past year, we have done just that.

We’ve transformed the look and feel of our aircraft and airport terminals and introduced new wide-bodied Airbus A330 aircraft on flights from Sydney and Melbourne to Perth. We’ve launched Business Class on domestic routes and enhanced our Velocity Frequent Flyer program with new unique benefits and a Platinum membership tier.

We’ve created an international network of over 600 destinations worldwide with our partner airlines and introduced innovative services for our premium guests, including kerb-to-lounge Premium Entry at Sydney Airport, Priority Boarding and a Premium Valet service.

But one thing hasn’t changed. Our people – all eight thousand of them. They’re the ones that put the magic back into flying every day.

View our new commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/user/virginaustralia?feature=watch


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24176 times:

Melbourne does need that rail link and badly, but for some unbelivable reason they just wont entertain the idea, these stupid politiions havent had to try and catch a plane around 6 oclock in the evening the Tullamarine Fwy is like a car park in the evening peek. One thing the Tulla HAS TO DO is redo the International Arivals hall comming back from Singapore's Changi Airport and Kula Lumper, wow talk about neat and very nice looking airports and your bags are already of the caracels and waiting for you to pick up, then come back to Melbourne the baggage collection and arivals hall once you get out of customs is an absolute dump.They have to gut that area and redo it.

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 24129 times:

EK406/407 now an A380:

http://www.facebook.com/Emirates?fref=ts

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.ne...07_279530772156679_160369965_n.jpg

[Edited 2012-10-02 04:16:12]

User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23604 times:

Qantas schedule changes post 31 March 2013:

ROUTE CHANGE FOR TRAVEL FROM 31 MARCH 2013
Sydney–Singapore–London and Melbourne–Singapore–London: Flights will operate via Dubai instead of Singapore, en route to London. Direct services to Singapore will remain but timings will improve.
Sydney–Singapore: Four new dedicated Singapore services per week, timed to better connect to onward flights within Asia.
Melbourne–Singapore: Dedicated Singapore service, seven times a week, timed to connect better to onward flights within Asia.
Singapore–London: Qantas services on this sector will cease. Qantas will codeshare on British Airways flights to provide connections via Singapore for travellers on Qantas services from Australia.

Full media release



Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23550 times:

Schedules have began to be loaded:

*Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744.

*A new direct 4x weekly A330 QF81/82 morning SYD-SIN-SYD service. The 3x weekly SYD-ADL-SIN-ADL-SYD still looks to be operating as well. Can't see any PM services yet.

Schedules are still a bit messy with changes still be updated....

Cheers


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23499 times:

Also note that the services to Frankfurt will continue until October 2013 and that the current schedule changes do not, according to Qantas, require ACCC approval.


Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23507 times:

July traffic stats are out.

SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%. Probably higher with blocked seats and if non-reconfigured planes were used.

What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce, deferring the 13th and 14th A380s? How is he still the CEO?


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23492 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
*Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744.

It will be good to see QF 744s back in MEL   Apart from A380s, a couple of 777s and the UA 744 MEL is becoming an A330 only zone!!!



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23460 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
Sydney–Singapore: Four new dedicated Singapore services per week, timed to better connect to onward flights within Asia.

At first I wondered why only a 4x weekly SYD-SIN service was added, but it seems that SYD-SIN-FRA will not be re-reouted via DXB. I wonder why this was their conclusion? Not to mention the fact that it's death has been postponed despite being such a loss-maker (according to QF)


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 23398 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 10):

I dont understand the FRA decision either... why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months? Wont that just confuse people further? And for those 6 months, with all the EK services via DXB won't it just become more of a loss maker? I suspect more in this story...


User currently offlinecam747 From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 23370 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
July traffic stats are out.

SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%. Probably higher with blocked seats and if non-reconfigured planes were used.

What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce, deferring the 13th and 14th A380s? How is he still the CEO?

'Dip Stick'....nice.

I'm sure he didn't make the decision on his own, and I'm sure it wasn't made on a whim.

He has other factors to take into account such as return on capital, and where that capital to pay for the aircraft is going to come from.

I'd love to see QF international with a fleet for 50 A380's dominating the skies...but back in the real world, those aircraft need to be actually paid for with someone's money.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23286 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744

I wonder with this daily 744 ex MEL, does the dedicated QF51/52 BNE SIN BNE will revert back to 330 eqp?



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5935 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23291 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
LF of 82%

An 82% LF during what is probably the busiest time of the year is not that great. I wish DFW every success, I really do, but let's not jump the gun.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce

The sort who has probably done more than any other in the past couple of decades to make international flying successful

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 11):
why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months?

I'm guessing that the route has had a profitable summer, and they have therefore decided to keep it for one more. Just because I route works in July and August though doesn't mean that it's profitable year round.

I guess this means FRA will revert to QCA crew, which is good news. I think it is currently operated by QCUK, but with no more LHR-SIN flights I can't see how that can continue


Any news yet if QF51/52 will be retimed to a morning departure, and whether it will go 744 next year?



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23259 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
An 82% LF during what is probably the busiest time of the year is not that great.

Not bad at all for the first month of daily flying. Pax flying this route is sure to grow over time, unless some competition happens which doesn't seem very highly likely.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23255 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%.

For a route that is supposed to be a bobby dazzler - with all those forced American connections - I don't think that's anything to write home about.

It's okay, it hits the annual (all international) system average, but for all the stories of how popular the route is and the high loads, I would have expected a few points more.

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-03 21:43:48]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23178 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
For a route that is supposed to be a bobby dazzler - with all those forced American connections - I don't think that's anything to write home about.

If you assume 100% usage of old configuration 744ERs the LF is over 100%. I understand there are some load restrictions on the eastbound leg, although I didn't include them as I don't know the exact amount.

Aren't you ignoring that its the first month of flying it daily? Let's see how it grows over time.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
The sort who has probably done more than any other in the past couple of decades to make international flying successful

I guess history will eventually make its judgement on that one. I think he's well on his way to making QF a much smaller airline.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23175 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
Aren't you ignoring that its the first month of flying it daily? Let's see how it grows over time.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm going by the load factor you posted and used as a stick to beat Alan Joyce.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
I think he's well on his way to making QF a much smaller airline.

A somewhat smaller airline, perhaps. And the problem with that is - ?

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-03 22:31:00]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23142 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
A somewhat smaller airline, perhaps. And the problem with that is - ?

Lower profit potential, less economies of scale and less network effect.

Of course, it is possible that it will be more profitable while being smaller. I'll believe that one when I see it.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23120 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 11):
I dont understand the FRA decision either... why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months? Wont that just confuse people further? And for those 6 months, with all the EK services via DXB won't it just become more of a loss maker? I suspect more in this story...

EK codeshare on SIN-FRA? That'll irritate the Germans no end! Also seems to reflect a lack of available A330 capacity until JQ starts getting 787's mid next year which will allow the 744 to be pulled?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23108 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
Of course, it is possible that it will be more profitable while being smaller. I'll believe that one when I see it.

It is arguably true that airlines can't shrink to profitability - if costs stay the same. If costs are reduced, there is no reason why it shouldn't happen.

On the network side, if FRA were making a decent return, I doubt it would be cancelled. If it isn't making money - why fly it? No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

The aviation world - especially as it affects Australia - has changed quite dramatically, and Qantas has been under considerable assault. It doesn't affect Virgin Australia nearly so much because it is an international newcomer.

The way people travel has changed, too, embracing lower fares - and the places they travel to and from.

Something has to give. So I think the TWU submission to the ACCC is an appalling document (and I'm an old union man), which point blank refuses to admit that reality.

marner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineQF762 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23081 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 7):
Also note that the services to Frankfurt will continue until October 2013

I would imagine this has been kept as they will need ACCC approval to change this/begin code-sharing with EK. Better to keep having passengers booking and paying (and then change them over once approval is granted) then lose them to potentially another carrier while they can't book with QF/EK yet. Better long-term net gain...?


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23051 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
On the network side, if FRA were making a decent return, I doubt it would be cancelled. If it isn't making money - why fly it? No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

I presume that it is losing money in the current environment. Is it a perennial loss maker? I understood it to be well utilised. I understood that the SFO flight generally made money but short term losses saw it cancelled; a troubling decision. Is this example any different? I don't have enough info.

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

Perhaps because they believed that DJ could never turn a profit from it with the current EDTO interpretation.


User currently offlinericknroll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23011 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 3):
Melbourne does need that rail link and badly, but for some unbelivable reason they just wont entertain the idea,

Because Melbourne Airport, which is run by the 'millionaires factory', makes too much money out of parking. Politcally dangerous to upset them too much. I stayed in the long term parking, it is now a minimum charge of five days. Bunch of greedy *******.


25 mariner : I suppose when it started it may have done quite well, but again - the world has changed. Time was when Qantas served a bunch of European cities and
26 thegeek : Be that as it may, it's not the only place they could have gotten aircraft from. Perhaps so, but my read is that they were looking for somewhere to f
27 mariner : I don't understand the affection for SFO. Having lived there, it is quite a long way down my list of US cities to visit. I know of very few airline C
28 EK413 : Daily A380 services from Sydney and Melbourne to London Heathrow, via Dubai. Singapore to Frankfurt services to operate until October 2013. Eleven Syd
29 Lufthansa : I have to 2nd the DFW decision as a good one. I've used it, a few times and I really like it despite it meaning the connection is to American. Why? it
30 Post contains links vhebb : With QF soon to own 100% of AaE looks like the current fleet of B733Fs and 146s will be rebranded as Qantas Freight: http://m.theaustralian.com.au/bus
31 RyanairGuru : Actually it made money until the day it was closed (apparently). It was sacrificed (probably logically) for DFW which was seen to be of more benefit
32 thegeek : What about NRT a few times a week? Fill it in with an A330, perhaps from QF87/88. Might need to shuffle some A332s and A333s for that, I guess. Of co
33 Post contains links ricknroll : Profits per car park at Melbourne and Sydney airports. Melbourne Airport made an annual $87 million profit from car parking - $5115 on each spot. Each
34 Post contains links and images carryon : Hello everyone! Avid reader of the Aus thread and contributor, I'm studying my Masters in Air Transport Management in Melbourne and currently writing
35 TruemanQLD : Reports coming out that the SYD-SIN-FRA flight has made an emergency landing in DRW due to smoke in the cabin. All seems to be ok
36 EK413 : LAN has just touched down in SYD any idea why the 7 hour delay...? EK413
37 eta unknown : I'm guessing you lived in Oakland then. I'm sure SFO was pretty high on your must-see list before you moved there though...
38 mariner : Oakland? I've driven through it and found very few reasons to stop. I lived downtown SF, I had a loft south of Market, partly because it's where my p
39 qf002 : QF does not need the 13th and 14th A380's to run DFW with an A380. There is currently plenty of slack in the A380 fleet (which is covering reconfigur
40 sydscott : Really? I lived at 15th and Roosevelt and had a great time there. Love going back and seeing friends. It's got all the great attributes of Sydney but
41 mariner : Each to their own. But discounting my views (it's business, it isn't personal) I was puzzled that people were so agitated that Qantas dropped SFO. Th
42 sydscott : For Qantas, there are a couple of factors to consider; 1. In general people in Northern California don't connect at LAX. I'm sure you know it's Sydne
43 smi0006 : This could work especially if MEL-NRT was added as an A332 as well, shift the connecting traffic out of SYD. I am looking forward to more of their an
44 mariner : I didn't find that, but again, each to their own. All you say may be true, but I take the view that the people at the airline have access to infinite
45 thegeek : That would require the retention of first class in some 744s or dropping first from the HKG route. It would also have no allowance for maintenance. O
46 sydscott : Apple employee's from here quite regularly travel back to Cupertino, especially when product announcements are imminent. Same for Google. Australian
47 mariner : I'm sure they do, I'm sure there is some traffic. The question is - how much and how much does it pay? And, repeating myself, I am sure that Qantas h
48 thegeek : If it's still profitable in hard times like at present shouldn't it be kept going for the upside if times improve?
49 mariner : Well, again, was it? I know it is common currency here but has Qantas actually said SFO was making money when they canned it - or, more relevantly, h
50 Post contains links strangr : Interesting considering bathurst is on Holden V Ford with the help of FA18's and the RAAF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ml591xYz2M&feature=youtu
51 Post contains links EK413 : I'm surprised there is no mention of QF dropping the regulator interim request... I don't think they have ended their proposed tie-up by I really can'
52 thegeek : From the register: UNITED STATES DESIGNATION STATUS: MULTIPLE AVAILABLE CAPACITY: PASSENGER SERVICES There is unlimited capacity available to designa
53 mariner : I don't understand why JNB or SCL or NRT even come into this. Using JNB as the example, it serves all of southern Africa and I would surely raise my
54 gemuser : theGeek rely 52 I think RyanairGuru meant "too much capacity" in a marketing/economic sense rather than capacity restrictions in the bi-lateral. Gemus
55 thegeek : Just cities with comparable traffic. I do see your point of view, that users of the SYD-SFO can go via LAX. But a sizeable portion would go over to U
56 mariner : I'm sure some will. But it is the thing that bedevilled US (legacy) airlines for far too long - the fear that some passengers will fly with someone e
57 sydscott : I would have thought any contribution that didn't make a loss was a good contribution given current Managements focus on it. Especially on the Americ
58 mariner : I feel that I am just repeating myself. My whole position is based on this: From SFO, the partner, American, only flies to its hubs. From DFW, you ca
59 thegeek : I still don't understand why you are so happy to service cuts for a route that is marginal in hard times, and a complete cut when a reduction in frequ
60 mariner : And I still don't understand the attachment to SFO. Well, maybe, but he said "legacy carrier" and Southwest isn't - generally - considered to be lega
61 qf002 : Yes it would (hence my mention that I don't think it's likely with the new F lounge continuing). Maintenance issues are easy to get around -- they've
62 RyanairGuru : I'm well aware that Aus-US have open skies. I was referring to the number of people who actually want to fly on the route, especially given that when
63 thegeek : All right. Why wouldn't you rather trim the second daily SYD-LAX frequency though? Is that flight really profitable?
64 Post contains links and images EK413 : Anyone able to explain why QF continue to switch the Oneworld livery aircraft... The latest aircraft to wear the OW scheme is VH-OEF... View MediumPho
65 RyanairGuru : Yes, in a word. I can't provide specific figures to support this but LAX really is that much more profitable. QF don't fly there 4 times a day and NZ
66 Zkpilot : LHR crew have never operated FRA (except covering for sick crew). There was speculation and as I understand it QF did look at having LHR crew operate
67 Post contains images Flyingsottsman : Want me to finnish the last sentence for you But you are so right there, the airport charge you like wounded bulls. My wife and I had to take a 6 ocl
68 thegeek : *cough* Skybus *cough*
69 Flyingsottsman : Yes I forgot about them, yes you can take skybus to. What is the price from Spencer Street to Tullamarine these days?
70 EK413 : $28 return last time I was in MEL... EK413
71 TN486 : It has been about 3 months since i flew out of MEL, however my experience was as follows: car parking: off airport (united), cheaper than on airport,
72 EK413 : I've heard there are A380 positions which have become available for Qantas Domestic crew based in SYD and MEL to commence training by years end... EK
73 Ben175 : Looks like KLM is trying to market themselves down under, I heard an ad on the radio today about fares from Perth to Amsterdam, London and Paris. Abso
74 airnewzealand : Correct, Domestic Mainline to A380 SYD base (MEL is very limited and not guaranteed) MAM Casual to QCCA Contrat A380 (Again MEL limited) MAM to QCD P
75 Post contains links EK413 : Apparently AF/KL and AB signed a codeshare agreement. AF will put AB flight numbers on CDG and ORY flights to Bordeaux, Lyon, Montpellier, Marseilles
76 EK413 : I wonder if the Domestic crew would be happy to fly internationally... Interesting the contract is for a 24 month period only I take it this is to fi
77 RyanairGuru : It's voluntary, AFAIK nobody is forced to go long haul It's always been this way since QCCA was introduced back in 2008(?). Domestic crew can become
78 Post contains links allrite : The transcript of Alan Joyce's address to the National Press Club is now available. I don't know that there's anything new here, but some may find it
79 Post contains links qf002 : The only interesting thing to come out of that address was the mention of potential 787 services from CBR from 2016 (as part of the Q&A afterward
80 allrite : Maybe one way to make an international Canberra service work is as a domestic tag. Last time I checked they fly a 767 between Melbourne and Canberra.
81 strangr : I thought a few years back when they were building the multi deck carpark and the hilton (at the time) they located the underground station, which wa
82 Post contains images JQflightie : Yes correct, im QF Shorthaul, and there is always oportunities to go from Shorthaul to A380 on 24month contracts, and then revert back......this time
83 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I'm sorry, I'd completely forgotten that you were with QF as well! Good luck! It should be a good experience... I'm just thinking about the A380 rout
84 smi0006 : KL also codeshar out of Australia with CZ too. Perhaps this is why MH was not mentioned, as they have several different codeshare partners?
85 TruemanQLD : Does anyone know how JQ's OOL-PER service is going? I am constantly getting emails with sale fares on this route for as low as $119, which cannot be f
86 Post contains images JQflightie : yes im excited! Im excited about DXB mostly! and fingers crossed for LHR! ive seen it get canx alot out of PER...... but usually ful, or near full
87 Post contains links BNE : Another article that mentions that BA are about to pull out of Australia. British Airways has given the strongest indication yet that it is considerin
88 qf002 : I personally see this submission as BA starting the pave the way for a new relationship with a new airline. QR could make sense (with BA operating LH
89 Post contains links RyanairGuru : I said this when the first rumours about BA-QR were rumbling: as far as I can tell there isn't any reason why BA couldn't switch SIN to DOH (effectiv
90 qf002 : That's always seemed like the most sensible option to me as well, but it seems from this submission that BA doesn't think it can keep flying to Austr
91 anstar : Really? There hasn't been any local recruitment at LHR since around 2008. Given the base has been cut from 4 flights to 2 and from next year will be
92 qf002 : It wouldn't surprise me to see QF cut the LHR base and open a new base up in DXB to crew the entire run from Australia to LHR (and any potential futu
93 RyanairGuru : Wouldn't that run into union/contractual issues? I'm sure that if it was possible they would have opened a SIN base for that purpose a decade ago. Af
94 Zkpilot : The local recruitment issue was because too many passengers complained that they "had booked to fly on Qantas not BA" in regards to not having many A
95 qf002 : Probably, but I doubt they would be big barriers to overcome if the savings are big enough.
96 thegeek : My understanding (from a.net) was that the LHR base only ever handled 2 flights.
97 RyanairGuru : 3, I believe that BKK was the only one routinely crewed from Aus. Some HKG flights as well, since "at least half" of 747 flights to LHR had to be cre
98 Post contains links Quokkas : BA issued a press release this morning assuring customers that its daily BA015 flights from London (Heathrow) to Sydney and the BA016 flights from Syd
99 smi0006 : I doubt it, what issues? The Thai crew at the BKK base for JQ are mostly from the old QF base there that closed. I believe that the BKK base might ha
100 qf002 : Crews recruited from Australia. I imagine there are plenty of crews who would love to live overseas but have the opportunity to visit home regularly.
101 ash1111 : I just want to add something: There's no way staff could simply "change their uniforms" and operate flights for either EK or QF. They might be the sam
102 Sethor : MH is reinstating BKI-PER from 8 Dec 2012 with a once weekly service using the 737-800. MH121 BKI-PER 18:00-23:35 ******7 MH120 PER-BKI 00:40-06:25 1*
103 Ben175 : Oh wow, great to see this flight back! Once weekly though... not a good sign.
104 gardermoen : BKI-PER once weekly? How odd.. I have always thought that this was a route ideally suited to Air Asia, surely a 3-4 weekly A320 service would work. Co
105 ZuluAlpha : If my memory is accurate, when QF established the flight attendant station in London, there were a few crew that did move over to to the UK, but they
106 Zkpilot : Some crew took a VR package from Australia and then were hired from scratch in London albeit without the need for training.
107 EK413 : QF have began running advertising campaigns for NEW services operating via DXB. The routes QF have advertised are DXB-LHR, DXB-CDG, DXB-VIE, DXB-FRA..
108 SInGAPORE_AIR : They are also advertising Vienna for A$1849 in today's SMH via FRA
109 smi0006 : Could they be via DXB, and LHR with BA until the deal with EK is approved? They can't advertise for the EK interline services yet can they? Creative
110 qf002 : No, they can't. These fares are all using existing partnerships (predominantly via LHR). The sale isn't just for the new flights via DXB, but also in
111 EK413 : The ad campaigns I heard was on the radio and it was DXB-VIE, FRA, CDG and LHR flights via DXB... EK413
112 qf002 : I'm confused then... QF definitely is not allowed to sell seats on EK's services yet. All that QF can sell at this stage is their own services to LHR
113 Flyingsottsman : True but also they have to get Federal funding for that aswell as State Government and also the private sector, and all 3 dont seem to have the money
114 EK413 : So am I... I'm just sharing what I heard and I am trying to dig the source but let me tell you I'm 110% certain I heard the routes are via DXB... I'v
115 ZuluAlpha : I just had a look on the QF website, and all the earlybirds, post 31 March, are showing the existing codeshares using AF via SIN and HKG. Also the cod
116 Post contains links smi0006 : Some nice new improvements in Business class from QF; Key among the improvements to the business class cabin is a new sleep service that sees a mattre
117 thegeek : I thought the enterprise bargain prevented off shore bases handling more than half the LHR 747 flights?
118 EK413 : Very welcome news and certainly an improvement on the offerings compared with the competitors... EK413
119 RyanairGuru : Thegeek, that's correct. With 2 747 flights BKK + 1 is more than half
120 Post contains links vaus77w : On the news this morning a sailor was lost out on the Pacific. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority enlisted the help of an AC 77L en-route to SYD
121 Post contains links EK413 : Strange to see the story hitting the headlines today when this was being discussed a few days ago... Air Canada Flt AC33 Helps Australian Rescue Team
122 ZuluAlpha : I guess since he has finally hit dry land, I guess the mass public now are taking interest to what we discussed then
123 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : Qantas yesterday announced expansion of BNE maintenance facilities Qld welcomes Qantas expansion From: AAP October 18, 2012 4:02PM AN announcement by
124 eaglefarm4 : Travel Today had a article that AI would not commence Australia flights this year and possibly March next year is the best bet for services to start.
125 EK413 : I'll believe it when the fat lady sings... EK413
126 Post contains images a36001 : Folks, why is VH-EBC still white? It's been with JQ for years, meaning 1 maybe 2 heavy maintenance visit's and it still comes back white. It's no big
127 EK413 : I've never understood why she is the only A330 operating in a hybridscheme but more than likely the 1st A330 scheduled to return to QF mainline once
128 Post contains links tayser : http://melbourneairport.com.au/About...nger-growth-for-first-quarter.html 6% in Q1, 8% in Sept @ MEL Q1: International 1,731,000 versus 1,668,000 (4%)
129 smi0006 : I wonder will QF introduce a new domestic business class as these aircraft return to the QF? Try and streamline the product. Something along the line
130 EK413 : From memory the B763 GE fleet is receiving a cabin refresh and without a doubt the A332 fleet would under go the same treatment prior to joining main
131 qf002 : It's already been introduced, and is fitted to 5 aircraft (2 with QF, 3 with JQ). The A332 due to join QF in the next few weeks is also apparently fi
132 EK413 : You know which B763 have been fitted out... Why fit the J/C cabin in a 2-3-2 layout and sell it as 2-2-2 layout??? Any idea why this decision...? Why
133 RyanairGuru : This 2-3-2 configuration is totally bizarre. Why fit out an aircraft with the intention of blocking sears? I don't think they need full lie flat on ev
134 Lufthansa : Well they could probably stick something like what DL or United are using on the 767 and 757 respectively, and those aircraft could also then fly int
135 VH-BZF : I believe that the Qantas domestic product is a half decent product and initially the config was for 42 J/C seats IIRC? QF then realised that the mid
136 EK413 : With the iPad trials at QF seen as a success the 1st refurbished B763 VH-OGQ will commence operating tomorrow (23/10)... EK413
137 qf002 : Because there was a customer backlash. They were trying to cram as many seats in as possible, and everyone hated it, so they were forced to block the
138 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I agree 100%, but I was trying to be pragmatic Which raises the very obvious question: why keep doing it? Why are they still fitting aircraft in this
139 VH-BZF : I see and agree with your point, however these are domestic aircraft now flying domestic routes, albeit east-west mostly, QF say their passengers wan
140 sydscott : The other thing to consider is that, realistically, you only need a Skybed for the Transcons on the overnight and very early morning flights. Dependi
141 EK413 : Looks like one of the Jetconnect B738s are u/s after being hit by a catering vehicle in AKL... Qantas have deployed a B763 replacing the B73H which us
142 qf002 : ZK-ZQF. VH-OGK is the replacement.
143 EK413 : I knew the registration just wasn't sure if I should post it... EK413
144 Post contains links EK413 : Alpha Catering Brisbane has been closed... Listeria outbreak closes flight meal kitchen... An international catering kitchen at Brisbane Airport that
145 sydscott : Just longer lines for toilets on planes and higher waste volumes..............
146 EK413 : Just curious if there are any images floating around of the NEW bays which opened up at Qantas Terminal 3 in Sydney...? The bays have been modified to
147 Post contains links QF175 : Brisbane Airport News * Hawaiian Airlines today announced that it will add an additional 18 767-300 services between Brisbane and Honolulu during the
148 Post contains links and images QF175 : According to the 22 October 2012 edition of Travel Daily, things aren't all rosy for China Eastern in Cairns. Next week the Airline introduces seasona
149 RyanairGuru : Thanks for the comprehensive update! I'm slightly intrigued by something in the Advanced Flight Schedule (http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/files/conte
150 qf002 : Hi-Fly? Though that would suggest they are Australian military charters rather than US ones.
151 RyanairGuru : If that was the case why would they be carrying AS, DL and AA codes though?
152 Post contains images qf002 : That confuses me as well... It's also confusing that the codes used are already in use for regular commercial services
153 QF175 : Thanks! The flights actually have the 'ASY' prefix (e.g. flight number ASY123 for Aussie 123), however it appears the BAC-initiated schedule may not
154 EK413 : Qantas has resumed SYD-OOL services after a 5 year absence as an attempt to steal traffic away from rivals VA & TT... I'm surprised the return of
155 Post contains images mig21umd : Uzbekistan Airways 767-300 flew over Sydney today (Sunday 28 October around 6pm local) at FL330 heading east. Any idea where she's going. My guess is
156 RyanairGuru : It is definitely great to see QF return to OOL, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of the flight times. I thought that most of the business traffic on the ro
157 EK413 : I'm happy to see the return of mainline to OOL too... Wish QF all the best... Regarding the timing of the flights only time will tell... EK413
158 TruemanQLD : QF107/108 have been cancelled for today due to the hurricane. Would expect Tuesday's flights to be cancelled as well, but not yet decided.
159 gemuser : All the way from SYD or only LAX-JFK-LAX? Gemuser
160 EK413 : LAX-JFK-LAX only... EK413
161 Post contains links allrite : Singapore Airlines takes a stake in Virgin Australia, which itself wants 60% of Tiger and to takeover Skywest. Qantas to announce new Asian deal on Fr
162 RyanairGuru : Ooohhh, that's exciting! Do we know what it is about? Just an expansion of JetStar service, or a code-share partnership for mainline with someone lik
163 Zkpilot : Deserves its own thread really... will make it now
164 sydscott : Friday is the Qantas AGM. So when you say "new Asian deal" I think what you mean to say is "more information about schedules and route adjustments" f
165 tullamarine : It will get through ACCC. The alternative is SQ closes down TT and like a phoenix from the ashes, VA creates its own LCC the next day purchasing the
166 Ben175 : It will be sad to see the Skywest brand go, hopefully Virgin continues to operate it as a separate subsidiary.
167 qf002 : I agree that it's almost a certainty. Big companies don't go around making big announcements unless they're close to 100% sure that it's not going to
168 Sethor : Air Mauritius is increasing it's A332 MRU-PER service to three services per week from 31st March 2013.
169 Post contains links mariner : I'm with you, and - apparently - the ACCC has concerns about the return of the duopoly as well: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-qantas-virgin
170 sydscott : I don't think it's anywhere near as certain as what you say in relation to TT. Exactly. Any carveouts they're forced to make on competition grounds c
171 thegeek : August BITRE stats are out. SYD->DFW = 10053. Minimum LF = 89% (assuming no blocked out seats and all reconfigured aircraft) DFW->SYD = 2641 DFW
172 TruemanQLD : Well interesting to see how very few people are continuing the journey on to SYD, just over one third. 69% load factor is poor however, but I guess e
173 Post contains links thegeek : According to this link: http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/ShowTo...las_Route_Problems-Air_Travel.html SYD->DFW was restricted to 307 seats DFW->BNE
174 sydscott : I think it's also a function of a lot of connecting passengers choosing to route their onward domestic connection via BNE on the return trip rather t
175 mariner : I assume it doesn't matter - to the ACCC or anyone - that Singapore's investment in Virgin Australia is funding the purchase of Tiger? mariner
176 EK413 : I believe AJs argument has clearly been demonstrated with VAs aggressive growth... How will QF continue to compete with VA if the international laws o
177 sydscott : No the ACCC won't care where the money is coming from. That's a separate issue, I think for the IASC and the Department of Transport, to determine if
178 TN486 : with all this Virgin takeover activity, resulting in a duopoly, can I suggest JB is a modern Reg Ansett!!
179 EK413 : Unfortunately I can't turn around and say I wouldn't invest a cent in QF but it's too late I've already lost half my investment, all I can do is now
180 Quokkas : Has anybody any information, heard rumours, on whether Skywest (whether operating under that name) or Virgin intend replacing the ageing Fokker 50s if
181 EK413 : Without a doubt they will be replaced with ATRs just depends which series... EK413
182 RyanairGuru : I'm not sure I follow you. QF is - overall - in a better financial position than VAH. I'm not referring to one year profitability, but in terms of li
183 Quokkas : Not sure how that would work but in the case of LX it was necessary for the Swiss parliament to pass a law stating that the holding company (100% Ger
184 RyanairGuru : I should have been more clear: I was referring to Sabena and Swissair. Both went the way of the dodo, to be "replaced" by their regional affiliate.
185 EK413 : Yes QF have a great balance sheet with $3.5 billion reserves but isn't that thanks to the cancellation of new aircraft which QF need today plus the s
186 gemuser : How has VBH Pty Ltd restructured? I have not seen anything specific about it. I am not referring to the various airlines taking shares, but t o the c
187 sydscott : The bilaterals don't refer to specific airlines but rather general ownership and control of an airline. That's how VA was able to re-structure, Anset
188 smi0006 : Any one have any ideas when the next A330 will be recieved by Qantas domestic? Is this the last one that they have on order?
189 sydscott : It's due in the next couple of months. I keep watching the Airbus production list to see when it appears. Yes.
190 NZ107 : When does JQ take delivery of its first 788? And does that directly translate to an immediate transfer of an A332 (at this stage) back to QF once it'
191 sydscott : Second half of next year. From memory they're scheduled to take delivery of 3 or 4 before the end of 2013. We've thought so in the past. However with
192 JQflightie : Its due this month. And will be in 2-3-2 J/C config with the middle seat blocked out.
193 qf002 : There will be a few 767's retired next year, replaced with the arrival of the new A332 this year and JQ A332s next year. They are only refurbishing 1
194 Post contains links bjwonline : Qantas today announced the 763 re-fit will be fast-tracked to finish six months early.
195 QF762 : So what was the outcome of the QF AGM on Friday...? There was all this talk prior to Friday about an announcement in relation to Asian services, did t
196 smi0006 : Seems a shame, I was hoping for some more Asian services and maybe an announcement regarding the reconfig of the international A330s. Was there any a
197 flylonghaul : BA has announced that they will retain SYD services and move flights to T5 at LHR operated with 77W equipment effective from march 2013 BA has also la
198 EK413 : Stating the obvious... what...? Fantastic news to hear BA will retain their presence in Australia once the JSA ends in March 2013... EK413
199 Post contains links and images EK413 : Any ideas what happened to the radome of QF B744 VH-OJC on the 30th of April...? View Large View MediumPhoto © Fabrizio Capenti - Malpensa Spotters G
200 Post contains links sydscott : Did anyone see this news yet? http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-new-f...-take-a-ride-in-a-flight-simulator For 115,000 FF points you can book a session i
201 Flyingsottsman : Yes I hope so to, would like to see Skywest still flying in their own colours, seems a bit hypocritical of Richard Branson complaining about the duop
202 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 65
203 Post contains links and images QF175 : This gives you a good idea!
204 Post contains links mariner : All's fair in love and airline wars, I suppose, but I find I'm losing a lot of sympathy for Virgin Australia. It's quite happy to ape Qantas in all it
205 Flyingsottsman : Gives me a very good idea, it looks very smart in the VA livery, but I do hope Skywest stays around and in their smart livery to. Does Skywest still
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