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Australian Aviation Thread # 64  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24095 times:

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 64. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Virgin Australia announces it will suspend Brisbane-Hamilton (NZ) service from late October 2012
* Etihad announces daily services to Brisbane from February 2012
* China Southern announces seasonal services to Cairns, bringing Brisbane to daily as well
* Qantas confirms it will upgrade 16 of its 737-800s with a new product
* Skywest/Virgin Australia take delivery of their first ATR 72-600
* Melbourne Airport has recorded a 5% increase in total pax numbers during JUL (compared to JUL11)
* Qantas reveals details of its planned 767-300 refurbishments
* Qantas refreshes its website
* Singapore Airlines and A380s - Could they fly to Perth?
* Qantas and its Honolulu services
* Virgin Australia announced FY tax profit of $22.8m and a FY underlying PBT of $82.5m
* QantasLink announces it will refresh its 717 cabin and add more seats
* Emirates and Qantas partnership
* Qantas to introduce a chauffeur service for select pax (to mirror Emirates' offering)
* Qantas and Singapore service post APR13
* QantasLink announces Sydney-Gladstone Q400 flights in 2013 and regional NSW capacity increases
* Johannesburg to lose Qantas First Class offering from 01OCT12
* IASC approves extension of QF/SA JNB codeshare agreement through to end of 2014
* Australia - South Africa flights
* Australia - South America flights
* Sichuan Airlines announces new Melbourne to Chengdu flights, thrice weekly, commencing 2013
* Cathay Pacific makes minor flight number changes on some Brisbane services
* Aus BT reported SACL has scrapped plans to divide SYD airport into alliance based terminals
* First images of Melbourne new Southern Precinct have been released by architecture group Hassel
* EVA Air will end its codeshare agreement with Qantas on Brisbane-Taipei from March 2013
* Thai Airways announces it will deploy its A380s to Sydney in 2013
* Virgin Australia announces increases to Brisbane - Emerald, Rockhampton & Newcastle services

Australian Aviation Thread # 63

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24103 times:

* EVA Air will increase its twice-weekly Brisbane-Taipei services to thrice-weekly between 18DEC12 and 09JAN13. The flights will continue to arrive in the morning and depart at 2245L.

* Philippine Airlines has expressed interest in commencing flights to Darwin in 2013, however it hasn't been confirmed whether flights would originate in Manila or Davao.

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The VP Marketing Support however announced that PAL will start flying to Toronto with the new Boeing 777-300 ER. Two aircraft will be delivered this year with two other by next year. Among other new routes is a flight to Darwin which could start by early next year.
Source

Back in February it was reported that Philippine Airlines was interested in commencing direct flights between Davao, the business capital of southern Philippines and Darwin at an unspecified time in 2013. In July, Royal Orchard Airlines announced it would run a series of charter flights from Darwin to Cebu, Philippines in December 2012 and throughout 2013 using Qantas 737-800s.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24066 times:

Virgin Australia releases its new campaign - "The romance is back"

Virgin Australia - The romance is back

Quote:
Now You're Flying

The romance is back.

A lot goes into making an amazing airline – and over the past year, we have done just that.

We’ve transformed the look and feel of our aircraft and airport terminals and introduced new wide-bodied Airbus A330 aircraft on flights from Sydney and Melbourne to Perth. We’ve launched Business Class on domestic routes and enhanced our Velocity Frequent Flyer program with new unique benefits and a Platinum membership tier.

We’ve created an international network of over 600 destinations worldwide with our partner airlines and introduced innovative services for our premium guests, including kerb-to-lounge Premium Entry at Sydney Airport, Priority Boarding and a Premium Valet service.

But one thing hasn’t changed. Our people – all eight thousand of them. They’re the ones that put the magic back into flying every day.

View our new commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/user/virginaustralia?feature=watch


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24041 times:

Melbourne does need that rail link and badly, but for some unbelivable reason they just wont entertain the idea, these stupid politiions havent had to try and catch a plane around 6 oclock in the evening the Tullamarine Fwy is like a car park in the evening peek. One thing the Tulla HAS TO DO is redo the International Arivals hall comming back from Singapore's Changi Airport and Kula Lumper, wow talk about neat and very nice looking airports and your bags are already of the caracels and waiting for you to pick up, then come back to Melbourne the baggage collection and arivals hall once you get out of customs is an absolute dump.They have to gut that area and redo it.

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23994 times:

EK406/407 now an A380:

http://www.facebook.com/Emirates?fref=ts

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.ne...07_279530772156679_160369965_n.jpg

[Edited 2012-10-02 04:16:12]

User currently onlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2149 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23469 times:

Qantas schedule changes post 31 March 2013:

ROUTE CHANGE FOR TRAVEL FROM 31 MARCH 2013
Sydney–Singapore–London and Melbourne–Singapore–London: Flights will operate via Dubai instead of Singapore, en route to London. Direct services to Singapore will remain but timings will improve.
Sydney–Singapore: Four new dedicated Singapore services per week, timed to better connect to onward flights within Asia.
Melbourne–Singapore: Dedicated Singapore service, seven times a week, timed to connect better to onward flights within Asia.
Singapore–London: Qantas services on this sector will cease. Qantas will codeshare on British Airways flights to provide connections via Singapore for travellers on Qantas services from Australia.

Full media release



Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23415 times:

Schedules have began to be loaded:

*Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744.

*A new direct 4x weekly A330 QF81/82 morning SYD-SIN-SYD service. The 3x weekly SYD-ADL-SIN-ADL-SYD still looks to be operating as well. Can't see any PM services yet.

Schedules are still a bit messy with changes still be updated....

Cheers


User currently onlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2149 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23364 times:

Also note that the services to Frankfurt will continue until October 2013 and that the current schedule changes do not, according to Qantas, require ACCC approval.


Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23372 times:

July traffic stats are out.

SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%. Probably higher with blocked seats and if non-reconfigured planes were used.

What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce, deferring the 13th and 14th A380s? How is he still the CEO?


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23357 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
*Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744.

It will be good to see QF 744s back in MEL   Apart from A380s, a couple of 777s and the UA 744 MEL is becoming an A330 only zone!!!



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23325 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
Sydney–Singapore: Four new dedicated Singapore services per week, timed to better connect to onward flights within Asia.

At first I wondered why only a 4x weekly SYD-SIN service was added, but it seems that SYD-SIN-FRA will not be re-reouted via DXB. I wonder why this was their conclusion? Not to mention the fact that it's death has been postponed despite being such a loss-maker (according to QF)


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23263 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 10):

I dont understand the FRA decision either... why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months? Wont that just confuse people further? And for those 6 months, with all the EK services via DXB won't it just become more of a loss maker? I suspect more in this story...


User currently offlinecam747 From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23235 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
July traffic stats are out.

SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%. Probably higher with blocked seats and if non-reconfigured planes were used.

What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce, deferring the 13th and 14th A380s? How is he still the CEO?

'Dip Stick'....nice.

I'm sure he didn't make the decision on his own, and I'm sure it wasn't made on a whim.

He has other factors to take into account such as return on capital, and where that capital to pay for the aircraft is going to come from.

I'd love to see QF international with a fleet for 50 A380's dominating the skies...but back in the real world, those aircraft need to be actually paid for with someone's money.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23151 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 6):
Looks like the new MEL-SIN-MEL QF35/QF36 service will be a daily B744

I wonder with this daily 744 ex MEL, does the dedicated QF51/52 BNE SIN BNE will revert back to 330 eqp?



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23156 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
LF of 82%

An 82% LF during what is probably the busiest time of the year is not that great. I wish DFW every success, I really do, but let's not jump the gun.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce

The sort who has probably done more than any other in the past couple of decades to make international flying successful

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 11):
why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months?

I'm guessing that the route has had a profitable summer, and they have therefore decided to keep it for one more. Just because I route works in July and August though doesn't mean that it's profitable year round.

I guess this means FRA will revert to QCA crew, which is good news. I think it is currently operated by QCUK, but with no more LHR-SIN flights I can't see how that can continue


Any news yet if QF51/52 will be retimed to a morning departure, and whether it will go 744 next year?



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 23124 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
An 82% LF during what is probably the busiest time of the year is not that great.

Not bad at all for the first month of daily flying. Pax flying this route is sure to grow over time, unless some competition happens which doesn't seem very highly likely.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 23120 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
SYD-DFW had 9363 for a minimum LF of 82%.

For a route that is supposed to be a bobby dazzler - with all those forced American connections - I don't think that's anything to write home about.

It's okay, it hits the annual (all international) system average, but for all the stories of how popular the route is and the high loads, I would have expected a few points more.

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-03 21:43:48]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 23043 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
For a route that is supposed to be a bobby dazzler - with all those forced American connections - I don't think that's anything to write home about.

If you assume 100% usage of old configuration 744ERs the LF is over 100%. I understand there are some load restrictions on the eastbound leg, although I didn't include them as I don't know the exact amount.

Aren't you ignoring that its the first month of flying it daily? Let's see how it grows over time.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
The sort who has probably done more than any other in the past couple of decades to make international flying successful

I guess history will eventually make its judgement on that one. I think he's well on his way to making QF a much smaller airline.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 23040 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
Aren't you ignoring that its the first month of flying it daily? Let's see how it grows over time.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm going by the load factor you posted and used as a stick to beat Alan Joyce.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
I think he's well on his way to making QF a much smaller airline.

A somewhat smaller airline, perhaps. And the problem with that is - ?

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-03 22:31:00]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23007 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
A somewhat smaller airline, perhaps. And the problem with that is - ?

Lower profit potential, less economies of scale and less network effect.

Of course, it is possible that it will be more profitable while being smaller. I'll believe that one when I see it.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22985 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 11):
I dont understand the FRA decision either... why keep the route going via SIN for only 6 months? Wont that just confuse people further? And for those 6 months, with all the EK services via DXB won't it just become more of a loss maker? I suspect more in this story...

EK codeshare on SIN-FRA? That'll irritate the Germans no end! Also seems to reflect a lack of available A330 capacity until JQ starts getting 787's mid next year which will allow the 744 to be pulled?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22973 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 19):
Of course, it is possible that it will be more profitable while being smaller. I'll believe that one when I see it.

It is arguably true that airlines can't shrink to profitability - if costs stay the same. If costs are reduced, there is no reason why it shouldn't happen.

On the network side, if FRA were making a decent return, I doubt it would be cancelled. If it isn't making money - why fly it? No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

The aviation world - especially as it affects Australia - has changed quite dramatically, and Qantas has been under considerable assault. It doesn't affect Virgin Australia nearly so much because it is an international newcomer.

The way people travel has changed, too, embracing lower fares - and the places they travel to and from.

Something has to give. So I think the TWU submission to the ACCC is an appalling document (and I'm an old union man), which point blank refuses to admit that reality.

marner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineQF762 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 22946 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 7):
Also note that the services to Frankfurt will continue until October 2013

I would imagine this has been kept as they will need ACCC approval to change this/begin code-sharing with EK. Better to keep having passengers booking and paying (and then change them over once approval is granted) then lose them to potentially another carrier while they can't book with QF/EK yet. Better long-term net gain...?


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 22916 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
On the network side, if FRA were making a decent return, I doubt it would be cancelled. If it isn't making money - why fly it? No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

I presume that it is losing money in the current environment. Is it a perennial loss maker? I understood it to be well utilised. I understood that the SFO flight generally made money but short term losses saw it cancelled; a troubling decision. Is this example any different? I don't have enough info.

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
No one bitches and moans because Virgin dropped the money-losing (for it) JNB.

Perhaps because they believed that DJ could never turn a profit from it with the current EDTO interpretation.


User currently offlinericknroll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 22876 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 3):
Melbourne does need that rail link and badly, but for some unbelivable reason they just wont entertain the idea,

Because Melbourne Airport, which is run by the 'millionaires factory', makes too much money out of parking. Politcally dangerous to upset them too much. I stayed in the long term parking, it is now a minimum charge of five days. Bunch of greedy *******.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23119 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
I presume that it is losing money in the current environment. Is it a perennial loss maker? I understood it to be well utilised.

I suppose when it started it may have done quite well, but again - the world has changed. Time was when Qantas served a bunch of European cities and they didn't drop 'em because they were profitable.

FRA may make a contribution to network. But unless it is providing a decent return, it is a cost to network and other stations have to work harder.

Same with:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
I understood that the SFO flight generally made money but short term losses saw it cancelled; a troubling decision. Is this example any different? I don't have enough info.

It is incumbent on any manager to send the aircraft where they make the most profit for the airline, or at the very least, the greatest contribution to network

SFO may have been doing all right, but unquestionably there are better connections (with American) at DFW - contribution to network.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
Perhaps because they believed that DJ could never turn a profit from it with the current EDTO interpretation.

The Virgin CEO who started it (who presumably understood EDTO) thought he could make a quid with JNB. Ooops.

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-04 00:19:05]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23078 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
SFO may have been doing all right, but unquestionably there are better connections (with American) at DFW - contribution to network.

Be that as it may, it's not the only place they could have gotten aircraft from.

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
The Virgin CEO who started it (who presumably understood EDTO) thought he could make a quid with JNB. Ooops.

Perhaps so, but my read is that they were looking for somewhere to fly their aircraft to, rather than they thought there would be easy money in JNB.

Agree with the Oops bit.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23306 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 26):
Be that as it may, it's not the only place they could have gotten aircraft from.

I don't understand the affection for SFO. Having lived there, it is quite a long way down my list of US cities to visit.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 26):
Perhaps so, but my read is that they were looking for somewhere to fly their aircraft to, rather than they thought there would be easy money in JNB.

I know of very few airline CEO's who start routes they don't expect to make money, especially an expensive high profile, long distance route such as JNB.

mariner



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23340 times:

Daily A380 services from Sydney and Melbourne to London Heathrow, via Dubai.
Singapore to Frankfurt services to operate until October 2013.
Eleven Sydney to Singapore services per week, four timed to better connect to onward flights within Asia.
Maintaining the same number of services to Singapore from Melbourne (retimed), Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth.

With Asia a critical part of our future, I’m also pleased to confirm that we’ll continue the refurbishment of our First Lounge in Hong Kong and the Business Lounge in Singapore.

Interesting to see HKG will continue to have F/C on offer... Could we see the 4 x weekly A380 service bumped up to 7 x weekly...?

British Airways Joint Services Agreement
While the Joint Services Agreement with British Airways is ending in March 2013, customers who want to travel to London via Singapore will be able to connect onto BA’s Singapore-London flights under a codeshare arrangement.

Has SIN been seen as a potential A380 destination once BA take delivery of the aircraft next year...?

EK413

[Edited 2012-10-04 01:58:02]


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23296 times:

I have to 2nd the DFW decision as a good one. I've used it, a few times and I really like it despite it meaning the connection is to American. Why? it just works so well, it avoids the hell hole that is LAX (upgraded int terminal or not you still need to endure the domestic ones to get anywhere, and the transfers aren't fun). And outside UAL SFO isn't gonna give anybody any serious choice of connections. But DFW works... even for cities like SLC or DEN that actually involve a back track. It in one case for me was still faster! And while the majority of DFW is still in the 70s (though it is being upgraded) terminal D, where QF comes, and were the majority of AA's "big domestic' destinations depart from is new modern and clean. And if you had to go to a smaller destination, and you went to LAX, chances are you'd need to go to another hub first anyway. So a short trip into the older part of DFW is still a better experience. And it doesnt just offer USA either, it offers me cities as far away as Sao Paulo. Something SFO could never do. The fastest way to somewhere like CCS, or anywhere in central America. And if we go north, and deep into canada...we can go once again straight into the secondary cities avoiding the double connection. If the western part of the US isn't your destination, This is a much better flight, and something United isn't offering its PAX. Not ex Australia anyway. This was one of the recent better moves, even if it cost SFO its service.

User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 23314 times:

With QF soon to own 100% of AaE looks like the current fleet of B733Fs and 146s will be rebranded as Qantas Freight:

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/busine...-debt/story-e6frg95x-1226486891514

Cheers


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23197 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
I understood that the SFO flight generally made money but short term losses saw it cancelled; a troubling decision.

Actually it made money until the day it was closed (apparently). It was sacrificed (probably logically) for DFW which was seen to be of more benefit to the network and had better long-term profit opportunities.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 26):
it's not the only place they could have gotten aircraft from.

Where? Don't even think about suggesting that they cut QF15/16, I guess QF107/8 might have worked (at least the SYD-LAX portion) but there is a lot more ex-Australia originating traffic to Los Angeles than San Francisco. JNB was water tight, FRA maybe?

Also there is the issue of possibly having too much capacity to the USA had they sought to run SFO and DFW at the same time



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23183 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Where?

What about NRT a few times a week? Fill it in with an A330, perhaps from QF87/88. Might need to shuffle some A332s and A333s for that, I guess.

Of course, there is also just not retiring a 744.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Also there is the issue of possibly having too much capacity to the USA had they sought to run SFO and DFW at the same time

That would make sense. Anyone know if this is the case?


User currently offlinericknroll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23147 times:

Profits per car park at Melbourne and Sydney airports.

Melbourne Airport made an annual $87 million profit from car parking - $5115 on each spot. Each space in Sydney earned nearly $8000 a year, $5600 of which was gross profit.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-20120925-26jgd.html#ixzz28KFoGJUS


[Edited 2012-10-04 03:43:24]

User currently offlinecarryon From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22998 times:

Hello everyone! Avid reader of the Aus thread and contributor, I'm studying my Masters in Air Transport Management in Melbourne and currently writing my thesis on airline alliances. I'm researching future strategic direction of airline alliance partnerships, and the factors influencing this including passenger experiences and expectations.

I'm interested to hear from a.net'ers on your airline and alliance experiences as passengers: www.surveymonkey.com/s/airlinealliancesurvey

I greatly appreciate any and all help, thanks!  

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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22897 times:

Reports coming out that the SYD-SIN-FRA flight has made an emergency landing in DRW due to smoke in the cabin. All seems to be ok

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22551 times:

LAN has just touched down in SYD any idea why the 7 hour delay...?

EK413



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 22477 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
I don't understand the affection for SFO. Having lived there, it is quite a long way down my list of US cities to visit.

I'm guessing you lived in Oakland then. I'm sure SFO was pretty high on your must-see list before you moved there though...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 22443 times:
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Quoting eta unknown (Reply 37):
I'm guessing you lived in Oakland then. I'm sure SFO was pretty high on your must-see list before you moved there though...

Oakland? I've driven through it and found very few reasons to stop.

I lived downtown SF, I had a loft south of Market, partly because it's where my partner, a party animal, wanted to be.

I agree, the very first time I went to SF (about 1975) I thought it was terrific, but it is been diminishing returns ever since. When we actually lived there, I wanted to leave. So I did.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 22473 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 8):
What sort of dip stick is Alan Joyce, deferring the 13th and 14th A380s? How is he still the CEO?

QF does not need the 13th and 14th A380's to run DFW with an A380. There is currently plenty of slack in the A380 fleet (which is covering reconfigurations at the moment, which end March or April next year), so it would be possible to fly DFW daily with the A380 if they ended the A380 service to HKG.

That looks increasingly unlikely if they are pressing on with the new HKG F lounge, but if they thought that they could make a killing with the A380 on this route then they would have no trouble finding them... That said, I doubt it's the right aircraft given the configuration.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
Any news yet if QF51/52 will be retimed to a morning departure, and whether it will go 744 next year?

I doubt it will be, given that the arrival into SIN is still earlier than the new MEL flights.


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Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22407 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 38):
I agree, the very first time I went to SF (about 1975) I thought it was terrific, but it is been diminishing returns ever since. When we actually lived there, I wanted to leave. So I did.

Really? I lived at 15th and Roosevelt and had a great time there. Love going back and seeing friends. It's got all the great attributes of Sydney but is more laid back and compact.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Actually it made money until the day it was closed (apparently). It was sacrificed (probably logically) for DFW which was seen to be of more benefit to the network and had better long-term profit opportunities.

I actually though they should have kept both SFO and done DFW while they drew down LHR routes. That's where they could have got 744's from. I always found SFO much easier to connect onto AA flights to NYC, ORD or DFW or even onto Alaska flghts up and down the West Coast. If you weren't going to LA and wanted a nicer entrance experience to the US, SFO was the place to go.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Also there is the issue of possibly having too much capacity to the USA had they sought to run SFO and DFW at the same time

Yet they've now got the equivalent capacity into DFW and LAX between daily 744's and the A380's. It would have only taken 1 744 to have kept SFO going 3 per week to maintain it so realistically it wouldn't have cost QF too much.


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Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22385 times:
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Quoting sydscott (Reply 40):
Really? I lived at 15th and Roosevelt and had a great time there. Love going back and seeing friends. It's got all the great attributes of Sydney but is more laid back and compact.

Each to their own.

But discounting my views (it's business, it isn't personal) I was puzzled that people were so agitated that Qantas dropped SFO. The airline continues to serve California, at LAX.

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Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22380 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 41):
But discounting my views (it's business, it isn't personal) I was puzzled that people were so agitated that Qantas dropped SFO. The airline continues to serve California, at LAX.

For Qantas, there are a couple of factors to consider;

1. In general people in Northern California don't connect at LAX. I'm sure you know it's Sydney vs Melbourne on a bigger scale.

2. When QF ditched SFO it basically ditched the business coming from there which includes Silicon Valley - Google, Apple, Facebook etc who's employees do travel quite regularly. That's not to say QF doesn't pick up Corporate traffic through LAX, it does, but Corporates in Northern California are going to pick United or NZ for their business travel to here to avoid the LAX connection. San Francisco is also still more of a banking and finance city than Los Angeles is with all of the Venture Capital and other firms funding Silicon Valley. QF is essentially missing out on that traffic as well.

That's why I think QF should have maintained their presence at SFO while they built DFW. If anything DFW is a LAX reliever and wouldn't compete with SFO flights.


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Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22381 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 32):
What about NRT a few times a week? Fill it in with an A330, perhaps from QF87/88. Might need to shuffle some A332s and A333s for that, I guess.

This could work especially if MEL-NRT was added as an A332 as well, shift the connecting traffic out of SYD. I am looking forward to more of their announcements in the next few weeks.

I think we will see a few more 744s being reconfigured and hang around a while longer. I also feel the A330s with be upgraded with improved products, potentially also W. But we will see!

Change is good!

[Edited 2012-10-04 23:21:23]

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Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22333 times:
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Quoting sydscott (Reply 42):
1. In general people in Northern California don't connect at LAX. I'm sure you know it's Sydney vs Melbourne on a bigger scale.

I didn't find that, but again, each to their own.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 42):
2. When QF ditched SFO it basically ditched the business coming from there which includes Silicon Valley - Google, Apple, Facebook etc who's employees do travel quite regularly.

All you say may be true, but I take the view that the people at the airline have access to infinitely more information than I have - where people travel to, how they travel, how much they are prepared to pay - and the decision to start, or drop any city is not made lightly.

I'm sure the Silicon Valley people do travel, but I've never thought of it as a "mobile" industry - their nearest airport, SJC, struggles mightily, with no international service except Mexico, and much of the service it does have being intra-California, or the closest states.

Financiers? Sure. But how much to they travel to Australia?

Mostly, I do not believe that any airline can be all things to all people. There's more, but I'd just be repeating myself:

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
It is incumbent on any manager to send the aircraft where they make the most profit for the airline, or at the very least, the greatest contribution to network

Much as I dislike the alliances, others use them, and there's no question in my mind that DFW is of much greater value to Qantas because of American/One World.

For the record, I don't like Dallas much either, but it isn't about me.

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Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22313 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 39):
QF does not need the 13th and 14th A380's to run DFW with an A380.

That would require the retention of first class in some 744s or dropping first from the HKG route. It would also have no allowance for maintenance.

Once the reconfigs are finished, their A380 utilisation will be:
3 SYD-x-LHR
3 MEL-x-LHR
2 SYD-LAX
2 MEL-LAX
1 SYD-HKG
1 spare/maintenance


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22315 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 44):
I'm sure the Silicon Valley people do travel, but I've never thought of it as a "mobile" industry - their nearest airport, SJC, struggles mightily, with no international service except Mexico, and much of the service it does have being intra-California, or the closest states.

Apple employee's from here quite regularly travel back to Cupertino, especially when product announcements are imminent. Same for Google. Australian dotcom entreprenuers, there are quite a few of them out there, also look to the Venture Capital firms in the Valley for seed funding and the like so there is a surprising amount of traffic that goes back and forth. SJC, like Oakland, is more of a domestic reliever airport for SFO than anything else and that's especially the case with the United hub at SFO. It's more convenient for most Bay Area residents to get to SFO than what it is to get to SJC. That's not true of Oakland where BART makes it especially easy to get to and from which is why WN has such a large operation from there.

Quoting mariner (Reply 44):
Financiers? Sure. But how much to they travel to Australia?

It's not really the financiers that are doing the travelling, it's more the people who are seeking finance going over to present their cases. It's also the various due diligence, legal and banking reps of the financiers, (the one's doing the legwork), that are doing the travelling.

In relation to the Australian question, let me retort by asking how of Air New Zealands SFO pax, (daily 747-400), are staying in New Zealand vs connecting to Australia? There is no reason why QF couldn't have left SFO as is and made a 744 available for it but the fact is they didn't want to. The strategy, just like Americans, was to shrink down and deliver pax to alliance hubs. But the contradictions is that if it was profitable, and apparently it was, when the the bulk of its International ops weren't I'd have though it was obvious to leave it in place and draw down the routes that weren't profitable. So if anything the decision to ax SFO has actually cost QF money because assets were deployed on unprofitable routes in favour of one that was profitable.


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Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22252 times:
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Quoting sydscott (Reply 46):
Apple employee's from here quite regularly travel back to Cupertino, especially when product announcements are imminent.

I'm sure they do, I'm sure there is some traffic. The question is - how much and how much does it pay? And, repeating myself, I am sure that Qantas has more information about that then anyone here.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 46):
SJC, like Oakland, is more of a domestic reliever airport for SFO than anything else and that's especially the case with the United hub at SFO.

That may be true now - it hasn't always been the case. In 1988 American thought enough of SJC to have a focus city at there (with flights to Asia). That's gone. The bursting of the dot.com bubble and 9/11 changed a lot of things.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 46):
It's not really the financiers that are doing the travelling, it's more the people who are seeking finance going over to present their cases. It's also the various due diligence, legal and banking reps of the financiers, (the one's doing the legwork), that are doing the travelling.

We're just going round in circles. Yes, there may be some of that traffic. My experience tells me that a deal of that traffic will also include LAX - where there is a large Australian community (introductions) and infrastructure - but I accept that's not true of all of them.

Personally, I know very few people, some but not many, who only fly to one city when they go to the US (tourists going to Disneyland, maybe) and if they do it is likely to be Los Angeles, certainly in my business.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 46):
In relation to the Australian question, let me retort by asking how of Air New Zealands SFO pax, (daily 747-400), are staying in New Zealand vs connecting to Australia?

I imagine quite a few are going on. And, since I live here and have split loyalties, I'm quite glad of it, for Air NZ's sake.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 46):
But the contradictions is that if it was profitable, and apparently it was, when the the bulk of its International ops weren't I'd have though it was obvious to leave it in place and draw down the routes that weren't profitable.

I see that posted here a lot, but was it actually profitable? Or - more pertinently - how profitable was it?

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Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22243 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 47):
I see that posted here a lot, but was it actually profitable? Or - more pertinently - how profitable was it?

If it's still profitable in hard times like at present shouldn't it be kept going for the upside if times improve?


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Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22248 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 48):
If it's still profitable in hard times like at present shouldn't it be kept going for the upside if times improve

Well, again, was it? I know it is common currency here but has Qantas actually said SFO was making money when they canned it - or, more relevantly, how much money?

I don't know, I've only seen that 'it wasn't a failure." You blokes seem to have all the answers. I really don't get this grief about SFO it didn't make much contribution to network.

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Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22235 times:

Interesting considering bathurst is on Holden V Ford with the help of FA18's and the RAAF

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 21997 times:

I'm surprised there is no mention of QF dropping the regulator interim request...

I don't think they have ended their proposed tie-up by I really can't tell what they've done

Qantas ditch regulator interim request

http://www.theage.com.au/business/qa...004-270uv.html

Qantas and Emirates have dropped their request for the competition regulator to allow them to plan and negotiate their proposed alliance over the coming months but the Australian airline has still pushed ahead with changes to its international route network.

The decision to drop the request follows Virgin Australia and its alliance partners, Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand, urging the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to block the granting of interim approval for the Qantas-Emirates tie-up.

Qantas and Emirates had wanted interim authorisation to begin planning for their alliance, including information sharing on issues such as marketing campaigns and transitions of IT systems. The airlines are still seeking approval for their planned alliance.

But independent of interim authorisation from the ACCC, Qantas has revised its route network to fly to Europe via Dubai rather than Singapore. It will enable passengers to book flights through its new hub in Dubai for travel from next March.

Qantas said the schedule changes did not involve coordination between the airlines and would not require regulatory approval.

However, the airlines will still require regulatory approval for their proposed alliance, which includes coordination of pricing.

The ACCC’s chairman, Rod Sims, said in a statement today that the airlines’ decision to withdraw the interim application would have no impact on the
‘‘broader assessment’’ of the planned alliance.

‘‘The ACCC also notes that Qantas and Emirates believe that they are to undertake a significant amount of preparatory work without the need for interim authorisation,’’ he said.

The chief executive of Qantas International, Simon Hickey, said that by releasing its schedules now, travellers could book their trips beyond March 2013 ‘‘with confidence based on the new Qantas international route map’’.

Qantas services to Frankfurt in Germany will cease in October 2013.
Under the proposed 10-year agreement, Qantas and Emirates will co-operate on passenger and freight operations on routes to Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Asia and New Zealand.

The competition regulator expects to release a draft determination on the alliance in December, before making a final decision in March.

In a submission to the regulator last month, Virgin questioned whether the benefits to travellers of the planned alliance will outweigh the ‘‘competitive detriment’’ on international routes.

‘‘Given the number of overlapping routes and the respective market shares of [the two airlines] on those routes, there can be no question that there will be an impact on competition,’’ Virgin said.

‘‘In addition, by entrenching Qantas's market position, the proposed conduct will be likely to have significant effects within the domestic Australian market.’’

Shares in Qantas fell 1 cent to $1.22 today.

Qantas's head of corporate and government affairs, Olivia Wirth, said the airline took a "conservative approach" to the issue of interim authorisation, but it was "now comfortable that Qantas and Emirates can do a significant amount of preparatory work" without interim approval.

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Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 21823 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Also there is the issue of possibly having too much capacity to the USA had they sought to run SFO and DFW at the same time

From the register:
UNITED STATES
DESIGNATION STATUS: MULTIPLE
AVAILABLE CAPACITY:
PASSENGER SERVICES
There is unlimited capacity available to designated Australian carriers to operate
scheduled passenger services between Australia and the United States via, and beyond
to, third countries.

-
So that is not the reason

Quoting mariner (Reply 49):
I really don't get this grief about SFO it didn't make much contribution to network.

Not sure why you feel that its contribution was less valuable than other destinations with similar demand such as NRT, SCL or JNB.


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Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 21766 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 52):
Not sure why you feel that its contribution was less valuable than other destinations with similar demand such as NRT, SCL or JNB.

I don't understand why JNB or SCL or NRT even come into this. Using JNB as the example, it serves all of southern Africa and I would surely raise my eyebrows if Qantas flew to DUR or CPT as well.

On the other hand, no one has given me any objective reason for SFO, other than it may - stress "may" - have been marginally profitable.

The sense I get is that the affection for SFO is sentimental - it's a big US city and because Qantas has flown it, it should always fly it.

Times change, and it pleases me enormously that Qantas now has a CEO who isn't ruled by sentiment.

The point should be made that if Jetstar flew to SFO I doubt I'd raise an eyebrow. I might even cheer.

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 21726 times:

theGeek rely 52
I think RyanairGuru meant "too much capacity" in a marketing/economic sense rather than capacity restrictions in the bi-lateral.

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Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 21706 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 53):
I don't understand why JNB or SCL or NRT even come into this.

Just cities with comparable traffic.

I do see your point of view, that users of the SYD-SFO can go via LAX. But a sizeable portion would go over to UA too.


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Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 21664 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 55):
I do see your point of view, that users of the SYD-SFO can go via LAX. But a sizeable portion would go over to UA too.

I'm sure some will.

But it is the thing that bedevilled US (legacy) airlines for far too long - the fear that some passengers will fly with someone else if they don't serve everywhere all the time.

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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 21536 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 49):
I don't know, I've only seen that 'it wasn't a failure." You blokes seem to have all the answers. I really don't get this grief about SFO it didn't make much contribution to network.

I would have thought any contribution that didn't make a loss was a good contribution given current Managements focus on it.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 55):
I do see your point of view, that users of the SYD-SFO can go via LAX. But a sizeable portion would go over to UA too.

Especially on the American side. The SFO Bay area has 7 million residents, Northern California has about 13.5 million with generally above average incomes and a sizeable corporate market. Personally I think SFO was more a casualty of the 787 being delayed than anything else. Management had to make a call on overall network and felt DFW was worth more to them than a point to point SFO service. Frankly I think they should have drawn down Europe capacity they way they have and expanded North America using those planes.

Quoting mariner (Reply 56):
But it is the thing that bedevilled US (legacy) airlines for far too long - the fear that some passengers will fly with someone else if they don't serve everywhere all the time.

Yet the most successful now "legacy" carrier in the US built its system on connecting as many dots as possible while the others, who for various reasons couldn't do that, have retreated to hub flying because that's the only way they can compete.


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Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21514 times:
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Quoting sydscott (Reply 57):
I would have thought any contribution that didn't make a loss was a good contribution given current Managements focus on it.

I feel that I am just repeating myself. My whole position is based on this:

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
t is incumbent on any manager to send the aircraft where they make the most profit for the airline, or at the very least, the greatest contribution to network

SFO may have been doing all right, but unquestionably there are better connections (with American) at DFW - contribution to network.

From SFO, the partner, American, only flies to its hubs. From DFW, you can connect to just about anywhere.

ABQ? Not as a connection from SFO, yes from DFW. ORF? Same. Mexico? Same. Canada? Same. Podunk, Idaho? Same, same..

In this new, leaner Qantas (which I accept you may not think is a good idea) it has the US covered - left coast (LAX) right coast (JFK) and the middle - DFW.

If you don't think this is a good idea, there isn't much I can say.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 57):
Yet the most successful now "legacy" carrier in the US built its system on connecting as many dots as possible while the others, who for various reasons couldn't do that, have retreated to hub flying because that's the only way they can compete.

That's a bit cryptic for me. I'll guess - only a guess - that you mean Delta (?), but it had to go through Chapter 11 to do it and it has shed a big bunch of RJ's. CVG, which used to be a hub, has been seriously downsized, and MEM, which used to be a hub, is going the same way.

Of course, if you don't mean Delta, then ignore the above.

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Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21507 times:

I still don't understand why you are so happy to service cuts for a route that is marginal in hard times, and a complete cut when a reduction in frequency was a reasonable option.

Quoting mariner (Reply 58):

That's a bit cryptic for me. I'll guess - only a guess - that you mean Delta

I read WN.


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Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21452 times:
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Quoting thegeek (Reply 59):
I still don't understand why you are so happy to service cuts for a route that is marginal in hard times, and a complete cut when a reduction in frequency was a reasonable option.

And I still don't understand the attachment to SFO.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 59):
I read WN.

Well, maybe, but he said "legacy carrier" and Southwest isn't - generally - considered to be legacy. It is, in fact, it was founded before deregulation, but it has usually been categorized as LCC.

At least - within my experience.

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21292 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 45):
That would require the retention of first class in some 744s or dropping first from the HKG route. It would also have no allowance for maintenance.

Yes it would (hence my mention that I don't think it's likely with the new F lounge continuing). Maintenance issues are easy to get around -- they've been dealing with them for years already. They only need one frame worth of slack between the combined A380/744 fleet, and it would make more sense to fully utilise the more efficient aircraft.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21110 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 52):
There is unlimited capacity available to designated Australian carriers to operate
scheduled passenger services between Australia and the United States via, and beyond
to, third countries.

I'm well aware that Aus-US have open skies. I was referring to the number of people who actually want to fly on the route, especially given that when DFW was announced - 2 years ago now! - there was still a surplus of seats courtesy of VA and DL.

Quoting mariner (Reply 53):
it pleases me enormously that Qantas now has a CEO who isn't ruled by sentiment.

I couldn't agree more

Quoting sydscott (Reply 57):
while the others, who for various reasons couldn't do that, have retreated to hub flying because that's the only way they can compete.

I haven't got time right now, but I'll respond to this later



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Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20973 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
I'm well aware that Aus-US have open skies. I was referring to the number of people who actually want to fly on the route, especially given that when DFW was announced - 2 years ago now! - there was still a surplus of seats courtesy of VA and DL.

All right. Why wouldn't you rather trim the second daily SYD-LAX frequency though? Is that flight really profitable?


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Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20931 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 63):
Is that flight really profitable?

Yes, in a word. I can't provide specific figures to support this but LAX really is that much more profitable. QF don't fly there 4 times a day and NZ 2 (plus it's VA's only US destination) just because they think it'll be a nice place for their crews to layover. If you look at premium demand LAX surpasses SFO several times over (SFO didn't have F, and J loads were lower). Also the majority of Australians travelling to the USA are going to SoCal, which means that overall demand - in all cabins - is higher to LAX. Finally, AA have more connections out of LAX. At SFO you could only get to DFW, ORD and JFK - it was much more of an O&D route. Finally SanFran is UA country, QF (and any other carrier) would always face an uphill battle to win over too much local traffic, especially corporate. In comparison LAX doesn't have the same level of one-party domination.



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Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20688 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
I guess this means FRA will revert to QCA crew, which is good news. I think it is currently operated by QCUK, but with no more LHR-SIN flights I can't see how that can continue

LHR crew have never operated FRA (except covering for sick crew). There was speculation and as I understand it QF did look at having LHR crew operate it but didn't have sufficient crew to operate any sectors on top of double daily LHR A380s to SIN. As it is there are going to be some flights to LHR for oz crew due to not enough LHR crew (they haven't hired in a year).



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Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 24):
Because Melbourne Airport, which is run by the 'millionaires factory', makes too much money out of parking. Politcally dangerous to upset them too much. I stayed in the long term parking, it is now a minimum charge of five days. Bunch of greedy *******.

Want me to finnish the last sentence for you  

But you are so right there, the airport charge you like wounded bulls. My wife and I had to take a 6 oclock flight out one morning nothing was open at that time except for a Cafe for 2 coffees and 2 egg and bacon rolls it was somthing close to $30 what they charge you out there is a joke, so yes they would be making heaps of money through car parking hence why every state government in Victoria at electon time says yes we will look into a railway line to Tallamarine then when they win the election they say no we cant do it cause it will cost to much to build so then every body has to keep driving and paying outrages parking prices.


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Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20293 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 67):

*cough* Skybus *cough*


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20284 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 68):
*cough* Skybus *cough*

Yes I forgot about them, yes you can take skybus to. What is the price from Spencer Street to Tullamarine these days?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20266 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 69):

$28 return last time I was in MEL...

EK413



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20258 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 67):
But you are so right there, the airport charge you like wounded bulls. My wife and I had to take a 6 oclock flight out one morning nothing was open at that time except for a Cafe for 2 coffees and 2 egg and bacon rolls it was somthing close to $30 what they charge you out there is a joke, so yes they would be making heaps of money through car parking hence why every state government in Victoria at electon time says yes we will look into a railway line to Tallamarine then when they win the election they say no we cant do it cause it will cost to much to build so then every body has to keep driving and paying outrages parking prices.

It has been about 3 months since i flew out of MEL, however my experience was as follows:
car parking: off airport (united), cheaper than on airport, minimum fuss with parking, mini bus from park to curb (no later than a 5 minute wait for minibus) on arrival back into MEL, ring car park on deplaning, minibus waiting for me for transport to car park. Very efficient, no stress.
breakfast: egg and bacon muffin $3.95, pancakes $3.95, (with a wide choice of toppings), coffee free (seniors card).
Time of dep MEL 0625, arrival MEL same day 1740.
With regards to picking up visitors/friends from MEL, I wait at the restaurant area in Mickelham Rd for a phone call, then straight over to pick up (no parking fees) or alternatively do a bit of spotting until pickup time arrives.
Southern Cross (ex Spencer St station) has a dedicated platform ready to go (the last platform on the Yarra river side) for when (not if) the decision to build the link out to MEL is made, one big expence out of the way. I suspect decision to proceed will be made within the next 10 years. (IMHO).



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19771 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 66):
As it is there are going to be some flights to LHR for oz crew due to not enough LHR crew (they haven't hired in a year).

I've heard there are A380 positions which have become available for Qantas Domestic crew based in SYD and MEL to commence training by years end...

EK413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19756 times:

Looks like KLM is trying to market themselves down under, I heard an ad on the radio today about fares from Perth to Amsterdam, London and Paris. Absolutely no mention of codeshare partner Malaysia Airlines either, which I found a little strange.

User currently offlineairnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19708 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 72):
I've heard there are A380 positions which have become available for Qantas Domestic crew based in SYD and MEL to commence training by years end...

Correct,

Domestic Mainline to A380 SYD base (MEL is very limited and not guaranteed)
MAM Casual to QCCA Contrat A380 (Again MEL limited)
MAM to QCD Perth permanent Domestic.

A380 is 24 month contract.

KInd regards.

From what i am hearing this is because of the extra crew member needed on the new reconfig A380.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19567 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 73):

Apparently AF/KL and AB signed a codeshare agreement. AF will put AB flight numbers on CDG and ORY flights to Bordeaux, Lyon, Montpellier, Marseilles, Nantes and Toulouse. In return, AB will carry AF flight numbers on flights to Cracow, Gdanks und Graz out of TXL as well as to Dresden from DUS and on the NCE-VIE route.Furthermore, codeshared flights between AMS and TXL are planned. AB plans to codeshare on KL flights to Edingburgh, Glasgow and Manchester, KL on AB flights (ex TXL) to Cracow, Gdanks and Kaliningrad.Etihad will place their code on the KL AMS-AUH flight, AF will place theirs on the EY CDG-AUH flights. This will add 10 additional destinations to Etihads European network, and five Asian and Australian ones to the AF/KL route map.

Article only in German so far http://www.airliners.de/management/s...ooperiert-mit-air-france-klm/28201

AF/KLM And ETIHAD/Air Berlin Parnership Announced (by factsonly Oct 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

EK413

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19532 times:

Quoting airnewzealand (Reply 74):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 72):
I've heard there are A380 positions which have become available for Qantas Domestic crew based in SYD and MEL to commence training by years end...

Correct,

Domestic Mainline to A380 SYD base (MEL is very limited and not guaranteed)
MAM Casual to QCCA Contrat A380 (Again MEL limited)
MAM to QCD Perth permanent Domestic.

A380 is 24 month contract.

KInd regards.

From what i am hearing this is because of the extra crew member needed on the new reconfig A380.

I wonder if the Domestic crew would be happy to fly internationally...

Interesting the contract is for a 24 month period only I take it this is to fill in the gap until they recruit more crew?

EK413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 76):
I wonder if the Domestic crew would be happy to fly internationally...

It's voluntary, AFAIK nobody is forced to go long haul

Quoting EK413 (Reply 76):
Interesting the contract is for a 24 month period only I take it this is to fill in the gap until they recruit more crew?

It's always been this way since QCCA was introduced back in 2008(?). Domestic crew can become a "Category 2" flight attendant (I believe that's the term - it basically means QCCA) for a 24 month sebatcal before reverting to QCD. Our friend Ditzyboy took advantage of this, but I haven't seen him around here for quite a while so he probably won't be enlightening us further. airnewzealand is a QF FA as well so he would also be able to explain better, but he's another who has gone AWOL recently...



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User currently onlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2149 posts, RR: 5
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19498 times:

The transcript of Alan Joyce's address to the National Press Club is now available. I don't know that there's anything new here, but some may find it a useful summary of their plans.

Quote:
But the Emirates partnership means we can separate those two hubs, putting Dubai at the heart of the Kangaroo Route while enabling us to strengthen our position in Asia through Singapore and Hong Kong.
With European flights now operating via Dubai, we will re‐time flights to Singapore and Hong Kong to focus on travel to, within, and from Asia.

We will offer 40 per cent more dedicated capacity to Singapore, our primary Asian hub, and 25 per cent more ‘same day’ connections onward across the region through partners such as China Eastern and Jet – plus, of course, Jetstar Asia.
We will also be working with Emirates on their services between Australia and Asia.
This means that we will be able to offer a second daily Melbourne‐Singapore service, a second daily Brisbane‐Singapore service, and direct services between Melbourne and Kuala Lumpur.

...

We will have a great deal of work to do to be ready by April next year. We need to negotiate route scheduling and airport slots. We will have to create bridges for our IT management systems to work together.
We’ll need to develop joint systems and protocols for inventory, ticketing, pricing and
revenue management. We will want to prepare and commission joint marketing campaigns.
And we will need to establish a new office in Dubai and be working effectively with our partner Emirates and with local authorities to cater for the needs of the many more Australians who will be passing through Dubai.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19304 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 78):

The only interesting thing to come out of that address was the mention of potential 787 services from CBR from 2016 (as part of the Q&A afterwards) -- AusBT has a story.

The only route I can see working with a 787 is CBR-DXB. EK won't have anything small enough to make a route like this work, and QF would be able to tap into government traffic, an advantage that no other Asian/ME carrier would have in CBR.

I also think it would interesting to see a small fleet of premium style A320 NEO's (as QF was planning for RedQ) based in CBR to fly to Asia. It would be pushing the aircraft right to the edge of their range, but I think a daily 100 seat service to SIN/HKG could work. The concept could then be expanded to other smaller centres, such as ADL, which would provide QF to opportunity to position themselves far more competitively than they can today (ie daily service ADL-SIN rather than 2-3 weekly).


User currently onlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2149 posts, RR: 5
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19147 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 79):
The only interesting thing to come out of that address was the mention of potential 787 services from CBR from 2016 (as part of the Q&A afterwards) -- AusBT has a story.

Maybe one way to make an international Canberra service work is as a domestic tag. Last time I checked they fly a 767 between Melbourne and Canberra. Maybe they could do MEL-CBR-??? as overflow for a direct international flight to ???.



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User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19109 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 67):
yes we will look into a railway line to Tallamarine then when they win the election they say no we cant do it cause it will cost to much to build so then every body has to keep driving and paying outrages parking prices.

I thought a few years back when they were building the multi deck carpark and the hilton (at the time) they located the underground station, which was explained as a cavernous underground opening with some rail fittings track and raised platform.

It would be cheap now if they built it, get a few thousand people into work and be cheaper to build then during a boom.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18762 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 77):
It's always been this way since QCCA was introduced back in 2008(?). Domestic crew can become a "Category 2" flight attendant (I believe that's the term - it basically means QCCA) for a 24 month sebatcal before reverting to QCD. Our friend Ditzyboy took advantage of this, but I haven't seen him around here for quite a while so he probably won't be enlightening us further. airnewzealand is a QF FA as well so he would also be able to explain better, but he's another who has gone AWOL recently...

Yes correct, im QF Shorthaul, and there is always oportunities to go from Shorthaul to A380 on 24month contracts, and then revert back......this time i have applied to go over. Im rather excited! 2 years out of my flying career to do some international flying is nothing and then knowing you have a job to revert back to is great!  



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18750 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 82):

I'm sorry, I'd completely forgotten that you were with QF as well!

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 82):
this time i have applied to go over

Good luck! It should be a good experience... I'm just thinking about the A380 routes going forward. Are you looking at LAX, HKG and DXB? 3 very different places there, but they should be good fun  



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18649 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 73):
Looks like KLM is trying to market themselves down under, I heard an ad on the radio today about fares from Perth to Amsterdam, London and Paris. Absolutely no mention of codeshare partner Malaysia Airlines either, which I found a little strange.

KL also codeshar out of Australia with CZ too. Perhaps this is why MH was not mentioned, as they have several different codeshare partners?


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 18167 times:

Does anyone know how JQ's OOL-PER service is going? I am constantly getting emails with sale fares on this route for as low as $119, which cannot be financially sustainable. Any info would be much appreciated.

User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18029 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 83):
Good luck! It should be a good experience... I'm just thinking about the A380 routes going forward. Are you looking at LAX, HKG and DXB? 3 very different places there, but they should be good fun

yes im excited! Im excited about DXB mostly! and fingers crossed for LHR!  
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 85):
Does anyone know how JQ's OOL-PER service is going? I am constantly getting emails with sale fares on this route for as low as $119, which cannot be financially sustainable. Any info would be much appreciated.

ive seen it get canx alot out of PER...... but usually ful, or near full



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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3187 posts, RR: 12
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18023 times:

Another article that mentions that BA are about to pull out of Australia.

British Airways has given the strongest indication yet that it is considering pulling off the London-Australia route after Qantas favoured Emirates as an alliance partner.

Quote:
In a submission to Australia's competition regulator, British Airways said its 17-year alliance with Qantas had been a ‘‘vital aspect of BA’s ability to offer services and operate in the aviation sector’’ between Australia and Europe.
‘‘BA considers that it is increasingly challenging for an international airline to operate services on long-haul routes between the United Kingdom/Europe and Australia in the absence of such an alliance due to persistent excess capacity and the nature off the substantial fixed costs involved in their operation,’’ it said.


Read more: End of the kangaroo route for BA?



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 17917 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 87):
Another article that mentions that BA are about to pull out of Australia.

I personally see this submission as BA starting the pave the way for a new relationship with a new airline.

QR could make sense (with BA operating LHR-DOH-SYD to complement QR's MEL/PER services), with further connections domestically and to NZ with QF, or MH. I doubt CX would be interested.

Interesting future for BA...


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17859 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 88):
QR could make sense (with BA operating LHR-DOH-SYD to complement QR's MEL/PER services), with further connections domestically

I said this when the first rumours about BA-QR were rumbling: as far as I can tell there isn't any reason why BA couldn't switch SIN to DOH (effectively pulling a QF!) and letting QR into SYD via the back door.

The Australia-UK bilateral allows stops wherever the carrier likes:

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm83/8343/8343.pdf



That said, I still personally maintain that the most likely outcome is a straight BA-QF codeshare



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17814 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 89):
That said, I still personally maintain that the most likely outcome is a straight BA-QF codeshare

That's always seemed like the most sensible option to me as well, but it seems from this submission that BA doesn't think it can keep flying to Australia without a partnership similar to what they had with QF.

There are also likely to be issues with long layovers, with BA's flights leaving Asia late at night (due to curfew at LHR), while QF's flights from Australia arrive early-evening. A 6-8 hour layover simply isn't competitive at the high yielding end of the market. It's not such a major issue coming to Australia, but would result in 4+ hour layovers in many cases.

My gut says we'll be waiting a while for anything to actually change, though. BA will likely want to test the waters for a while from April before committing a major change, so it'll probably be 12-18 months before any new partnership is formed.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17819 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 66):
As it is there are going to be some flights to LHR for oz crew due to not enough LHR crew

Really?

There hasn't been any local recruitment at LHR since around 2008. Given the base has been cut from 4 flights to 2 and from next year will be going to a shorter layover (DXB) than SIN - as well as the less days off after and downroute the base seems to be constantly shrinking. I've also heard they are not extending some of the Aus/NZ crews contracts due to too many crew.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17787 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 91):

It wouldn't surprise me to see QF cut the LHR base and open a new base up in DXB to crew the entire run from Australia to LHR (and any potential future QF flights). Big savings to be had...


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17736 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 92):
entire run from Australia to LHR

Wouldn't that run into union/contractual issues? I'm sure that if it was possible they would have opened a SIN base for that purpose a decade ago. After all just look at JQ with their Thai crew on SYD-HNL. If mainline could get away with that I don't doubt that they would



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17699 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 91):
There hasn't been any local recruitment at LHR since around 2008. Given the base has been cut from 4 flights to 2 and from next year will be going to a shorter layover (DXB) than SIN - as well as the less days off after and downroute the base seems to be constantly shrinking. I've also heard they are not extending some of the Aus/NZ crews contracts due to too many crew.

The local recruitment issue was because too many passengers complained that they "had booked to fly on Qantas not BA" in regards to not having many Aussie crew onboard. They were recruiting Aussies in Oz until about a year ago. There have been crew transfer up there from Oz/AKL since then and they have been extending contracts.
The numbers are short because they only ever crewed 3 of the 4 flights and they were 744s. The A380 needs 22 crew coupled with turnover and maternity leave+part time and they are short.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17508 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 93):
Wouldn't that run into union/contractual issues?

Probably, but I doubt they would be big barriers to overcome if the savings are big enough.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17499 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 91):
Given the base has been cut from 4 flights to 2

My understanding (from a.net) was that the LHR base only ever handled 2 flights.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17522 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 96):
My understanding (from a.net) was that the LHR base only ever handled 2 flights.

3, I believe that BKK was the only one routinely crewed from Aus. Some HKG flights as well, since "at least half" of 747 flights to LHR had to be crewed from Aus, so I guess 2.75/4 would be the most accurate answer!



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17507 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 87):
Another article that mentions that BA are about to pull out of Australia.
BA issued a press release this morning assuring customers that its daily BA015 flights from London (Heathrow) to Sydney and the BA016 flights from Sydney to London would continue to operate.

Quote:
"British Airways is very proud of its long history with Australia and we remain committed to providing customers with the best of British service when travelling to the UK and Europe,” promised Neil Ager, British Airways' Regional Commercial Manager, South West Pacific.
“We know we have many loyal customers in Australia, and they can continue to fly with confidence when they choose British Airways.”

and he went on to say

Quote:
"British Airways is looking to maintain and develop numerous existing codeshares with Qantas in Asia and Europe as part of oneworld"
http://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airw...on-singapore-sydney-kangaroo-route


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17398 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 93):
Wouldn't that run into union/contractual issues? I'm sure that if it was possible they would have opened a SIN base for that purpose a decade ago. After all just look at JQ with their Thai crew on SYD-HNL. If mainline could get away with that I don't doubt that they would

I doubt it, what issues? The Thai crew at the BKK base for JQ are mostly from the old QF base there that closed. I believe that the BKK base might have only been closed by QF a year or two ago and was open for maybe ten years, a lot longer then the LHR base.

In saying that I can't see a DXB with out a lot of support from EK. EK crew are given accommodation and transport, they pay no utilities etc, this works for them due to the economies of scale provided by the huge numbers of crew they employ. A QF base would be much smaller and without the scale would make providing accommodation and the rest expensive, if they didn't provided it who would work for them? Even if the same benefits as EK were provided, who would fly for QF out of DXB? Only EK rejects, why fly for Qantas to LHR and back, when you can fly for EK all over the world?

Maybe if EK and QF shared crew in some manner on the A380, just changing uniforms depending on the duty they were rostered on, I would be concerned about QFs on-board service though.... I think the LHR base will stay, or all flying will return to Australia. With most A380 crews being the lower cost QCCA crew, there need and extra costs for a London base may no longer be adding up now that QAL crew are not flying up to LHR anymore.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16936 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 99):
Even if the same benefits as EK were provided, who would fly for QF out of DXB? Only EK rejects, why fly for Qantas to LHR and back, when you can fly for EK all over the world?

Crews recruited from Australia. I imagine there are plenty of crews who would love to live overseas but have the opportunity to visit home regularly.

I'm not just thinking of the DXB-LHR leg, but also flights to SYD and MEL, and perhaps future flights to more cities in Australia and Europe. Such a move wouldn't occur for at least a few years (2015-16) to let things settle down and to go through the necessary procedures in shutting down LHR, setting up DXB, by which time QF might well be expanding in DXB.

If QF is serious about doing more into Europe from DXB, then there are going to be increasingly large number of Australian crew having DXB layovers anyway. If they are looking at using DXB as a scissor hub for new 787 services from Australia to Europe, then it makes even more sense to have the crews stationed in DXB.


User currently offlineash1111 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16921 times:

I just want to add something: There's no way staff could simply "change their uniforms" and operate flights for either EK or QF.

They might be the same planes (380), but there would be TOO MANY different procedures between the two companies -- before you even factor in service flows and procedures. Very unsafe.


User currently offlineSethor From Australia, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16924 times:

MH is reinstating BKI-PER from 8 Dec 2012 with a once weekly service using the 737-800.

MH121 BKI-PER 18:00-23:35 ******7
MH120 PER-BKI 00:40-06:25 1******


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16743 times:

Quoting Sethor (Reply 102):
MH is reinstating BKI-PER from 8 Dec 2012 with a once weekly service using the 737-800.

Oh wow, great to see this flight back! Once weekly though... not a good sign.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16603 times:

BKI-PER once weekly? How odd..
I have always thought that this was a route ideally suited to Air Asia, surely a 3-4 weekly A320 service would work. Come to think of it, Indonesia Air Asia could probably do the same for Surabaya-Perth.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16395 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 100):
Crews recruited from Australia. I imagine there are plenty of crews who would love to live overseas but have the opportunity to visit home regularly

If my memory is accurate, when QF established the flight attendant station in London, there were a few crew that did move over to to the UK, but they had to start from scratch as new employees with a new company, please correct me if I am wrong.

If a crew base is established in DXB, I would not be surprised if something similar would happen with DXB. I know that QF has advised staff that there will be employment opportunities with the new DXB hub, (I have heard where the current GSA will become a QF office in DXB) I could guess engineers, and the flight attendant's if they go ahead with it, not sure what else they would want / need to base over in DXB



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 106, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16344 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 105):

If my memory is accurate, when QF established the flight attendant station in London, there were a few crew that did move over to to the UK, but they had to start from scratch as new employees with a new company, please correct me if I am wrong.

Some crew took a VR package from Australia and then were hired from scratch in London albeit without the need for training.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16066 times:

QF have began running advertising campaigns for NEW services operating via DXB.

The routes QF have advertised are DXB-LHR, DXB-CDG, DXB-VIE, DXB-FRA...

EK413

[Edited 2012-10-14 01:32:18]


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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 108, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 107):
QF have began running advertising campaigns for NEW services operating via DXB.

They are also advertising Vienna for A$1849 in today's SMH via FRA



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 107):

QF have began running advertising campaigns for NEW services operating via DXB.

The routes QF have advertised are DXB-LHR, DXB-CDG, DXB-VIE, DXB-FRA

Could they be via DXB, and LHR with BA until the deal with EK is approved? They can't advertise for the EK interline services yet can they? Creative advertising nothing more me thinks.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15916 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 109):
They can't advertise for the EK interline services yet can they?

No, they can't.

These fares are all using existing partnerships (predominantly via LHR). The sale isn't just for the new flights via DXB, but also includes travel before the end of March.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 111, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15866 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 109):
Could they be via DXB, and LHR with BA until the deal with EK is approved?

The ad campaigns I heard was on the radio and it was DXB-VIE, FRA, CDG and LHR flights via DXB...

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15880 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 111):
The ad campaigns I heard was on the radio and it was DXB-VIE, FRA, CDG and LHR flights via DXB...

I'm confused then...

QF definitely is not allowed to sell seats on EK's services yet. All that QF can sell at this stage is their own services to LHR via DXB (so perhaps "VIE via DXB" flights are connections SYD-DXB-LHR-VIE)?


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15880 times:

Quoting strangr (Reply 81):
It would be cheap now if they built it, get a few thousand people into work and be cheaper to build then during a boom

True but also they have to get Federal funding for that aswell as State Government and also the private sector, and all 3 dont seem to have the money at the moment.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15766 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 112):
I'm confused then...

So am I... I'm just sharing what I heard and I am trying to dig the source but let me tell you I'm 110% certain I heard the routes are via DXB...
I've noticed every time JQ introduce new routes to their growing network the announcement is pending regulatory approval...

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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15726 times:

I just had a look on the QF website, and all the earlybirds, post 31 March, are showing the existing codeshares using AF via SIN and HKG. Also the codeshare with BA vie London (click on the flight number for QF1 and it shows via DXB).

Now I remember the press releases that as a part of the initial QF / EK announcement, QF was going to drop these codeshares.

Also this earlybird fare is for sale for quite some time, until 03Dec (usually only run for a week or so). I have heard the forward bookings for QF, beyond 01April13 are quite poor, I'm guessing everybody is waiting to see what / when the QF / EK approval comes through.

I can see alot of call outs to customers booked via SIN on the QF/AF codeshare, that are going to have some big changes if the QF/AF codeshare is pulled and they are reaccomodated via DXB with QF/EK ... alot of work for the reservation staff to call out.



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15490 times:

Some nice new improvements in Business class from QF;

Key among the improvements to the business class cabin is a new sleep service that sees a mattress placed over the existing Skybeds on international flights, and customers offered duvets instead of blankets, for extra comfort.
Business class customers will also enjoy exclusive Kate Spade New York and Jack Spade amenity kits, and have more control over their dining experience, with Select on Q – Eat, a service enabling customers to select from a wider menu by choosing their meal and when they would like to dine, before they board.
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/oct-2012/5460/global/en

The Aust Business traveller website has some photos.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-tweak...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Sounds like a genuine enhancement, when combined with the new chauffeur service shall be some impressive improvements to the QF product. Does seem to make UAs recent announcement of a turn down service in F seem rather meek.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14864 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 97):
3, I believe that BKK was the only one routinely crewed from Aus. Some HKG flights as well, since "at least half" of 747 flights to LHR had to be crewed from Aus, so I guess 2.75/4 would be the most accurate answer!

I thought the enterprise bargain prevented off shore bases handling more than half the LHR 747 flights?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14742 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 116):

Very welcome news and certainly an improvement on the offerings compared with the competitors...

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14436 times:

Thegeek, that's correct. With 2 747 flights BKK + 1 is more than half


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User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 14036 times:

On the news this morning a sailor was lost out on the Pacific. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority enlisted the help of an AC 77L en-route to SYD from YVR and an NZ A320 also heading to SYD to help locate the yacht. The AC jet did zig-zags with the crew and pax looking out the windows for it. It was located and the co-ordinates relayed to emergency services.

I heard about ti on ABC radio this morning and they said pax lent binoculars to the pilots to help them search.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45785315&opt=0


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (2 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13732 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 120):

Strange to see the story hitting the headlines today when this was being discussed a few days ago...

Air Canada Flt AC33 Helps Australian Rescue Team (by AlitaliaDC10 Oct 15 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (2 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13374 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 121):
Strange to see the story hitting the headlines today when this was being discussed a few days ago...

Air Canada Flt AC33 Helps Australian Rescue Team

I guess since he has finally hit dry land, I guess the mass public now are taking interest to what we discussed then



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Qantas yesterday announced expansion of BNE maintenance facilities

Qld welcomes Qantas expansion
From: AAP October 18, 2012 4:02PM


AN announcement by Qantas of a $30 million upgrade of its Brisbane heavy maintenance facilities has been hailed as a major win for Queensland by Premier Campbell Newman.

The move, announced on Thursday by Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce, suggests Brisbane remains the warm favourite to emerge as Qantas' sole heavy maintenance base.

The airline is preparing to consolidate its existing three facilities into one.

Mr Newman said it is another vote of confidence in the economic future of the Queensland.

"Queensland is the traditional home of Qantas and this announcement demonstrates the important role the State will play in the long-term future of the airline," the Premier told AAP.

Mr Newman said Qantas was the only large airline that continued to operate heavy engineering and maintenance facilities in Australia.

"It would have been all too easy for them to have gone offshore, but the decision shows that Queensland provides an environment where global companies can be competitive and I congratulate Qantas for their commitment to Australia," he said.


The premier said Thursday's announcement came on top of the airline's decisions to spend $70 million on a new state of the art catering facility at Brisbane Airport, and resume direct flights into the Gold Coast from Sydney.

"Since March, Scoot Airlines, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Etihad Airways and Qantas have all announced new flights into our State.

"This has already had a significant positive impact on the local tourism market with passenger movements at the Gold Coast Airport in September 2012 19 per cent higher than September 2011."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226498695634



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (2 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Travel Today had a article that AI would not commence Australia flights this year and possibly March next year is the best bet for services to start.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 125, posted (2 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12908 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 124):

I'll believe it when the fat lady sings...

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User currently offlinea36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12551 times:

Folks, why is VH-EBC still white? It's been with JQ for years, meaning 1 maybe 2 heavy maintenance visit's and it still comes back white. It's no big deal of course but saw it at SYD the other day and it's looking..well rather tired. I know it belong to QF and all, but so do most of the others and they are all painted in standard JQ livery.  

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Quoting a36001 (Reply 126):

I've never understood why she is the only A330 operating in a hybridscheme but more than likely the 1st A330 scheduled to return to QF mainline once the B787s arrive...

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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

http://melbourneairport.com.au/About...nger-growth-for-first-quarter.html

6% in Q1, 8% in Sept @ MEL

Q1:

International 1,731,000 versus 1,668,000 (4%) last year
Domestic 5,720,000 versus 5,334,000 (7%) last year
Transit 26,000 versus 32,000 (-19%) last year
Total 7,477,000 versus 7,034,000 (6%) last year

Sept:

International 585,733 (5.7%)
Domestic 1,911,494 (8.9%)
Total 2,497,227 (8.1%)


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 127):
I've never understood why she is the only A330 operating in a hybridscheme but more than likely the 1st A330 scheduled to return to QF mainline once the B787s arrive...

I wonder will QF introduce a new domestic business class as these aircraft return to the QF? Try and streamline the product. Something along the lines of the new CX regional seat would be pretty competitive...


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 12397 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 129):
I wonder will QF introduce a new domestic business class as these aircraft return to the QF? Try and streamline the product. Something along the lines of the new CX regional seat would be pretty competitive...

From memory the B763 GE fleet is receiving a cabin refresh and without a doubt the A332 fleet would under go the same treatment prior to joining mainline in 2013...

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (2 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 129):
I wonder will QF introduce a new domestic business class as these aircraft return to the QF? Try and streamline the product. Something along the lines of the new CX regional seat would be pretty competitive...

It's already been introduced, and is fitted to 5 aircraft (2 with QF, 3 with JQ). The A332 due to join QF in the next few weeks is also apparently fitted with this new product (the 2-3-2 but sold as 2-2-2 layout one, with the screens in the seatback rather than the armrests).

Once the 787's start arriving, the plan is for JQ's 3 newest frames (VH-EBQ, -EBR and -EBS) to get a cosmetic refresh (ie remove the black/orange and replace with QF red/grey) and slip into the QF fleet virtually unchanged. The other 8 frames will need more extensive work done to them, including a refreshed interior, galley rearrangements and new seats/IFE and will move over to QF as deliveries continue.

QF also has another 2 domestic aircraft that have the 'old' interiors, but I imagine these are the lowest priority to refit, because they already have AVOD throughout.

That said, I'd like to see a refreshed product too. They need to make a decision on the 2-3-2 layout, which I don't see as competitive now that VA is flying with lie-flats as their new standard domestic configuration. There's no point in paying for the extra seats to be fitted if they can't sell them.

I think they should roll the two domestic products into one. Go back to 2-2-2 with wider armrests, but keep the IFE in the seatback rather than in the armrest, and retain the new styling.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (2 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12026 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 131):
It's already been introduced, and is fitted to 5 aircraft (2 with QF, 3 with JQ).

You know which B763 have been fitted out...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 131):
The A332 due to join QF in the next few weeks is also apparently fitted with this new product (the 2-3-2 but sold as 2-2-2 layout one, with the screens in the seatback rather than the armrests).

Why fit the J/C cabin in a 2-3-2 layout and sell it as 2-2-2 layout??? Any idea why this decision...?

Quoting qf002 (Reply 131):
The other 8 frames will need more extensive work done to them, including a refreshed interior, galley rearrangements and new seats/IFE and will move over to QF as deliveries continue.

Why do the 8 frames require galley rearrangements...? I was under the impression the A330's have already been delivered with QF's requirements in mind...

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11712 times:

This 2-3-2 configuration is totally bizarre. Why fit out an aircraft with the intention of blocking sears?

I don't think they need full lie flat on every aircraft to stay competitive, but something like CX would be good



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):

This 2-3-2 configuration is totally bizarre. Why fit out an aircraft with the intention of blocking sears?

I don't think they need full lie flat on every aircraft to stay competitive, but something like CX would be good

Well they could probably stick something like what DL or United are using on the 767 and 757 respectively, and those aircraft could also then fly international routes if need be (though they probably need an enlarged galley i believe the domestic birds have a reduced sized one)


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11133 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):

I believe that the Qantas domestic product is a half decent product and initially the config was for 42 J/C seats IIRC? QF then realised that the middle seat wasn't popular - I remember John Borghetti ordering VH-EBA thru VH-EBD with the 36 seat J/C config - even though they are domestic aircraft! At the end of the day, these are domestic flights and whilst everyone would love to fly around on a skybed aircraft in J/C, realistically it would be too expensive and wasteful to have a domestic aircraft flying around on domestic sectors with grand cabins. CX fly their airbus aircraft on international routes, albeit regional, QF won't. VA will possibly use their A330's on regional international routes if domestic flights don't work out as they planned.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 days ago) and read 11108 times:

With the iPad trials at QF seen as a success the 1st refurbished B763 VH-OGQ will commence operating tomorrow (23/10)...

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 137, posted (2 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11029 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 132):
Why fit the J/C cabin in a 2-3-2 layout and sell it as 2-2-2 layout??? Any idea why this decision...?

Because there was a customer backlash. They were trying to cram as many seats in as possible, and everyone hated it, so they were forced to block the middle seat.

JQ sells all 42 seats though.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 132):
Why do the 8 frames require galley rearrangements...? I was under the impression the A330's have already been delivered with QF's requirements in mind...

You're correct. I was getting confused thinking that some of the early JQ aircraft shared a galley config with the 4 QF International aircraft, but they don't. They would still need a more extensive refresh though, with new seats/IFE rather than just replacing seat covers/curtains etc.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):
I don't think they need full lie flat on every aircraft to stay competitive, but something like CX would be good

I think it'd be great if QF did actually retain a handful of A332s with Skybeds (or an updated domestic version of the Skybed with new fabrics/IFE) for transcon routes to replace the 747s and allow the A333s to focus on Asia. They must have a massive pile of old Skybeds down in AVV after doing the 744ER's which could be refurbished with new higher resolution/larger screens etc and fitted to aircraft with the domestic galley layout.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 138, posted (2 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 137):
I think it'd be great if QF did actually retain a handful of A332s with Skybeds (or an updated domestic version of the Skybed with new fabrics/IFE) for transcon routes

I agree 100%, but I was trying to be pragmatic  
Quoting qf002 (Reply 137):
Because there was a customer backlash.

Which raises the very obvious question: why keep doing it?

Why are they still fitting aircraft in this configuration despite knowing that they wont be selling all the seats.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 135):
CX fly their airbus aircraft on international routes, albeit regional, QF won't.

I understand what you're saying, but SYD-PER is longer than HKG-SIN, HKG-NRT, and is only slightly shorter than HKG-DEL



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10888 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 138):

I see and agree with your point, however these are domestic aircraft now flying domestic routes, albeit east-west mostly, QF say their passengers want seat when they want to fly and that's what they are providing. I personally like the config on VH-EBM & VH-EBN with the 2-2-2 config in J/C, great IFE and a comfortable layout, i've flown on these a couple of times in my travels and thought they were an exceptional domestic product, Y/C is good too. I would love to have a sky bed on a domestic flight too, again realistically it's just not going to happen - come to think of it, they are considerably heavier than the standard domestic J/C seat I would have thought and with the cost of fuel etc. with the domestic configed A330's doing more sectors in a day than their international sister ships, QF would be looking to make the aircraft lighter not heavier? Just a thought.

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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 140, posted (2 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10854 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 139):
with the domestic configed A330's doing more sectors in a day than their international sister ships, QF would be looking to make the aircraft lighter not heavier? Just a thought.

The other thing to consider is that, realistically, you only need a Skybed for the Transcons on the overnight and very early morning flights. Depending on the way QF re-arranges its Asia flying, we'll probably see more International A330's moving through the domestic network on positioning flights and if QF start to move morning departures from Australia into Asia to capture O&D and greater Asia based traffic then this will provide the opportunity for International Equipment to cover the transcon night flights.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10604 times:

Looks like one of the Jetconnect B738s are u/s after being hit by a catering vehicle in AKL... Qantas have deployed a B763 replacing the B73H which usually operates QF55/56 to fill in the gap...

I believe the aircraft involved is ZK-ZQ*

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 142, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 141):
I believe the aircraft involved is ZK-ZQ*

ZK-ZQF. VH-OGK is the replacement.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 143, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 142):

I knew the registration just wasn't sure if I should post it...

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (2 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10455 times:

Alpha Catering Brisbane has been closed...

Listeria outbreak closes flight meal kitchen...

An international catering kitchen at Brisbane Airport that provides thousands of in-flight meals has been closed after a dangerous bacteria was found on kitchen equipment.

Listeria was found at Alpha Catering's catering kitchen at Brisbane Airport yesterday afternoon and it was immediately closed by Queensland Health and Brisbane City Council.

Listeria can cause food poisoning and is particularly dangerous to pregnant women because even a mild case can cause a miscarriage, a stillbirth, or a premature birth.

Alpha Catering provides meals for Virgin Australia and Emirates flights out of Brisbane but a Virgin Australia spokeswoman said there had been no complaints about food poisoning from passengers.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...t-meal-kitchen-20121011-27fm1.html

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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3123 posts, RR: 20
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 144):
Alpha Catering provides meals for Virgin Australia and Emirates flights out of Brisbane but a Virgin Australia spokeswoman said there had been no complaints about food poisoning from passengers.

Just longer lines for toilets on planes and higher waste volumes..............


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

Just curious if there are any images floating around of the NEW bays which opened up at Qantas Terminal 3 in Sydney...? The bays have been modified to handle the A330 & B787 (if ever) simultaneously or 1 A330 & 2 B738s simultaneously... The bay numbers I believe are 12, 13 & 13A...

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

Brisbane Airport News

* Hawaiian Airlines today announced that it will add an additional 18 767-300 services between Brisbane and Honolulu during the period MAR13 to MAY13. The Airline is able to operate the additional services due to an expansion of its A330-200 flying program and subsequent freeing-up of 767-300s. Furthermore, the Airline has cited strong demand for its new nonstop Honolulu service as reason behind the introduction of additional services. Hawaiian Airlines commences Brisbane services next month and fills a gap since Air Australia's demise in February of this year - Source

* Brisbane Airport Corporation's (BAC) monthly International flight movement summary for November (effective up until and including 01DEC12) shows an interesting inclusion - Philippine Airlines services from Manila to Brisbane (via Darwin) effective 01DEC12 - Source. Interestingly, today's edition of TravelToday alludes to industry rumours suggesting that the Airline will introduce twice-weekly services commencing December 2012 using 156-seater A320s. When questioned, Philippine Airlines remained coy only mentioning that it is in the process of examining International network expansion opportunities. If services commence, it would mark the Airline's third foray in to Brisbane.

* Demolition works have recently commenced at the old International Terminal at Brisbane Airport, which currently houses DHL's freight processing centre. In May of this year, DHL announced that it would commence construction of a new, purpose-built AUD15 million facility, which would include a processing hub and offices - DHL Media Release - May 2012

* Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) has announced details of an interim solution to address issues caused by the opening of the Pick-up Waiting Area at the Domestic Terminal. From Tuesday 6 November (subject to weather), drivers will be allowed to pick-up arriving passengers on the newly titled Departures/2 min Pick-up Road in front of the terminal - Source and further details

* Over the coming months Brisbane will see a stark increase in International services (NB: seasonal increases) with Cathay Pacific and Korean Airlines adding additional frequencies. Furthermore, during the busy Christmas, New Year and CNY period, EVA Airline will increase Brisbane-Taipei services to thrice-weekly, China Southern will increase Guangzhou services to daily with the introduction of Guangzhou-Brisbane-Cairns-Guangzhou services and Qantas will add additional frequencies on the Hong Kong route. Additionally, Qantas will operate 767s on select Brisbane-Noumea services and Aircalin will operate supplementary Noumea services, as well as operate their newly-refurbished A330-200s on select services. In February 2013 Etihad Airways will increase its thrice-weekly Abu Dhabi-Singapore-Brisbane services to daily (long awaited).

* Air New Zealand will operate (presumably) a Christchurch-Brisbane-Nuku'alofa service in the middle of November using its 168-seater A320. Sydney is currently the only Australian Capital to have nonstop services to Tonga, with Virgin Australia operating its 737-800s on the route twice-weekly

* Brisbane Airport has a number of infrastructure projects (to the tune of hundreds of millions) under construction or that have recently opened. Recently the Airport opened its new Domestic terminal northern stand-off apron capable of accommodating a number of additional aircraft including 737s. The facility joins the International terminal northern stand-off apron that also recently opened. Other projects currently in progress include the construction of new taxiway W and C8, extension of taxiway B between taxiway B7 and B8, extension of the apron between taxiway C1 and C2, earthworks for the Domestic southern apron expansion (adjacent bays 51, 60-62), overlay works on RWY 01/19 and of course one of the most controversial projects, the RWY 01/19 parallel runway, due for completion in 2020

* Per the announcement 6 days ago, Qantas has earmarked a AUD30 million expansion of its Brisbane maintenance facilities which involves expanding a hangar from one to three lines of maintenance and includes the introduction of new hangar doors, safety equipment and aircraft docking systems. Qantas is expected to also open its new state of the art $75 million Q Catering facility at Brisbane Airport later this year that Qantas CEO Alan Joyce was quoted as saying "that's going to be the best facility in the country, the most efficient facility in the country".

* A new aircraft hangar is almost due for completion at Brisbane Airport and is housed on the Eastern-side of the Airport. The new facility is located near Virgin Australia's maintenance facility however it is not known for whom the facility is for.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9500 times:

According to the 22 October 2012 edition of Travel Daily, things aren't all rosy for China Eastern in Cairns. Next week the Airline introduces seasonal nonstop services from Shanghai to Cairns. It has been reported that while the initial few flights have good load factors, forward bookings are lower than expected. The Airline has made it clear that flights may not continue after March 2013 (services were only ever to be seasonal anyway?). Interestingly the Airline has quantified the weekly operating costs for the flights, which come in at almost AUD1 million a week.

Cairns has seen some interesting movements of late including a number of Transaero 747-400s operating charter flights to and from Fukuoka and a Thomson 757-200 operating to Siem Reap.

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 149, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 147):

Thanks for the comprehensive update!

I'm slightly intrigued by something in the Advanced Flight Schedule (http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/files/content/files/November%2012.pdf)

It appears that AS (variously codesharing with either DL or AA) is operating a number of one-off flights from Minhad, UAE during November. This could only relate to US troop movements, but does anyone know who is actually operating these flights? As far as I'm aware no US ACMI charter outfit flys 343s (the equipment listed)



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 149):
It appears that AS (variously codesharing with either DL or AA) is operating a number of one-off flights from Minhad, UAE during November. This could only relate to US troop movements, but does anyone know who is actually operating these flights? As far as I'm aware no US ACMI charter outfit flys 343s (the equipment listed)

Hi-Fly? Though that would suggest they are Australian military charters rather than US ones.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 151, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Though that would suggest they are Australian military charters rather than US ones.

If that was the case why would they be carrying AS, DL and AA codes though?



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 152, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 151):
If that was the case why would they be carrying AS, DL and AA codes though?

That confuses me as well... It's also confusing that the codes used are already in use for regular commercial services  


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 149):
Thanks for the comprehensive update!

I'm slightly intrigued by something in the Advanced Flight Schedule (http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/files/content/files/November%2012.pdf)

It appears that AS (variously codesharing with either DL or AA) is operating a number of one-off flights from Minhad, UAE during November. This could only relate to US troop movements, but does anyone know who is actually operating these flights? As far as I'm aware no US ACMI charter outfit flys 343s (the equipment listed)
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 151):
If that was the case why would they be carrying AS, DL and AA codes though?

Thanks!

The flights actually have the 'ASY' prefix (e.g. flight number ASY123 for Aussie 123), however it appears the BAC-initiated schedule may not be produced manually. Their system appears to only be able to pick up the two letter IATA code and this is confusing it with Alaska Airlines (AS). Furthermore it appears that any US Airline that codeshares on services to BNE have their flight numbers attached as well. These flights are not charters for Alaska Airlines or any other US-based Airline for that matter and shouldn't be listed (IMO) on such a schedule given they are not public RPT flights.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 154, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Qantas has resumed SYD-OOL services after a 5 year absence as an attempt to steal traffic away from rivals VA & TT...

I'm surprised the return of QF mainline to Coolangatta has not been posted...

The services operate 3 times a day, 7 days a weeks...

Monday to Friday schedule as follows;

QF860 SYD 7:10 OOL 7:35
QF861 SYD 8:15 SYD 10:35

QF862 SYD 11:45 OOL 12:10
QF863 OOL 12:50 SYD 15:10

QF864 SYD 16:45 OOL 17:00
QF865 OOL 17:40 SYD 20:00

Saturday & Sunday schedule as follows;

QF860 SYD 9:00 OOL 9:25
QF861 SYD 10:05 SYD 12:25

QF862 SYD 12:00 OOL 12:25
QF863 OOL 13:05 SYD 15:25

QF864 SYD 16:45 OOL 17:00
QF865 OOL 17:40 SYD 20:00

Welcome back to Coolangatta Qantas!

EK413

[Edited 2012-10-27 23:55:10]


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User currently offlinemig21umd From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8634 times:

Uzbekistan Airways 767-300 flew over Sydney today (Sunday 28 October around 6pm local) at FL330 heading east.

Any idea where she's going.

My guess is NZ.

Was nice to see.  



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 156, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 154):

It is definitely great to see QF return to OOL, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of the flight times.

I thought that most of the business traffic on the route was day returns from Gold Coast to Sydney. A 10:35 arrival into SYD and a 16:45 departure isn't helpful to that kind of customer.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 157, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 156):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 154):
It is definitely great to see QF return to OOL, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of the flight times.

I thought that most of the business traffic on the route was day returns from Gold Coast to Sydney. A 10:35 arrival into SYD and a 16:45 departure isn't helpful to that kind of customer.

I'm happy to see the return of mainline to OOL too... Wish QF all the best...

Regarding the timing of the flights only time will tell...

EK413



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