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KL Asia: Chinese Characters Under Their Name?  
User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

What are the Chinese characters under the KLAsia on the aircraft?

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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

That's 荷蘭亞洲航空公司, which is the chinese translation of KLM Asia.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Just a question, why does KL need an "Asia" division? I thought it was something about overflying China, but AF and other euro airlines have done this for years, right?


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User currently offlinemeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Just a question, why does KL need an "Asia" division? I thought it was something about overflying China, but AF and other euro airlines have done this for years, right?

They have KLM Asia so that they can fly directly over China to Taiwan rather than having to go around. It has to do with Chinese politics and not making them angry.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Just a question, why does KL need an "Asia" division? I thought it was something about overflying China, but AF and other euro airlines have done this for years, right?

That's because KLM wants to fly PRC and ROC at the same time and it's not permitted either by PRC or ROC. And KLM is the only european carrier flying to ROC now. So they established a new entity which is KLM Asia and avoided the problem. In fact, even Air China, the flag carrier of PRC, has to cover its flag on the planes that are used to fly ROC.

[Edited 2012-10-02 19:37:34]

User currently onlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 508 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

Just a question, why does KL need an "Asia" division? I thought it was something about overflying China, but AF and other euro airlines have done this for years, right?

It has something to do with The China government not allowing airlines to fly into China if they're also doing Taiwan. Hence a different "subsidiary" has to be created.

But maybe it's something that goes on behind close doors because SQ or TG seem to be exempted for example. They both fly to both countries without a different paint scheme or what not.. and knowing how SQ at least guards its brand zealously, they'd probably rather not fly there than change the slightest bit of their livery.

I think its terrible that KLM would compromise their branding like this. So much for being the oldest airline to still use its original name.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 5):
I think its terrible that KLM would compromise their branding like this. So much for being the oldest airline to still use its original name.

Agreed.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 4):
That's because KLM wants to fly PRC and ROC at the same time and it's not permitted either by PRC or ROC. And KLM is the only european carrier flying to ROC now. So they established a new entity which is KLM Asia and avoided the problem. In fact, even Air China, the flag carrier of PRC, has to cover its flag on the planes that are used to fly ROC.
Quoting meta (Reply 3):

Ahhh, the "Peoples" Republic of China      



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15499 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 5):
It has something to do with The China government not allowing airlines to fly into China if they're also doing Taiwan. Hence a different "subsidiary" has to be created.

Not all airlines, just flag carriers I think. There used to be Swissair Asia, British Asia Airways, and a Qantas subsidiary too, among others, all with the flags removed so the national flag carrier would not operate to both China and Taiwan. American carriers, not having an official flag carrier, didn't have this issue.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 5):
I think its terrible that KLM would compromise their branding like this.

What's the alternative? Cancelling service to TPE? Hardly anone notices the aircraft livery and I expect they generate a lot of revenue as the only European carrier serving Taiwan.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Quoting infinit (Reply 5):
It has something to do with The China government not allowing airlines to fly into China if they're also doing Taiwan. Hence a different "subsidiary" has to be created.

Not all airlines, just flag carriers I think. There used to be Swissair Asia, British Asia Airways, and a Qantas subsidiary too, among others,

Also Air France Asie (Asia in French)


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Japan Asia Airways (JL)

But doesn't JL operate to both PRC and ROC still today?



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
But doesn't JL operate to both PRC and ROC still today?

That's because JAL is privatlized after 2000 so it's not the official flag carrier.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 11):
That's because JAL is privatlized after 2000 so it's not the official flag carrier.

Ohh that makes sense.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

I believe the restriction only applied to carriers that were government owned (even partially). So as AF-KL is part owned by the French government, they seem to still need the "Asia" brand.
If BA start the rumoured LHR-TPE again, I doubt they will need the British Asia Airways brand.
I too wonder why this doesn't apply to Asian carriers, as SQ, TG, MH, GA, VN all fly to TPE.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

It's stupid in this day and age given Air China flies to Taipei and China Airlines flies to Beijing.

Air China even has a Taiwanese website in Traditional Chinese and China Airlines has a Mainland website in Simplified Chinese.



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User currently onlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 508 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Not all airlines, just flag carriers I think.
Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):
believe the restriction only applied to carriers that were government owned (even partially). So as AF-KL is part owned by the French government, they seem to still need the "Asia" brand.
If BA start the rumoured LHR-TPE again, I doubt they will need the British Asia Airways brand.
I too wonder why this doesn't apply to Asian carriers, as SQ, TG, MH, GA, VN all fly to TPE.

Precisely. If I'm not wrong about 55% of SQ is owned by Temasek Holdings which is pretty much the investment arm of the Sg government. MH is also government owned. So I guess the Asian carriers were exempted somehow

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
What's the alternative? Cancelling service to TPE? Hardly anone notices the aircraft livery and I expect they generate a lot of revenue as the only European carrier serving Taiwan.

Well I'm sure they could negotiate. SQ would never allow their livery to be changed. When they joined Star A and had to paint a few aircraft in Star A colours, they refused to have the Star A logo on the tail, saying their brand is more important. They threatened to leave the alliance otherwise.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):

Actually PRC and ASEAN has special air transport agreement, or partially open skies. SQ, MH and TG are from ASEAN countries. And both ROC and PRC also has open sky with Japan. I didn't check the details in these agreements but I read some reports that JAL closed JAA because of these agreements.


User currently onlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 508 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 16):
Actually PRC and ASEAN has special air transport agreement, or partially open skies. SQ, MH and TG are from ASEAN countries. And both ROC and PRC also has open sky with Japan. I didn't check the details in these agreements but I read some reports that JAL closed JAA because of these agreements.

Ah. so that's why. Now this makes sense.


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