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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 120  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20979 times:

Welcome to number 120 Part of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 119 (by PA515 Sep 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) In number 119 we talked about;

* The China Market
* QF and EK getting together effects on the Tasman ?
* NZ All Blacks Charter
* NZ to move flights in Japan to HND?
* Normal airpoints spats
* Upgrade of the 772's starting in 2014/2015
* Scheduled Changes for flights to PVG
* Jetstar New Zealand get new uniforms
* Arrival dates for the new ATR 72-600 fleet
* Hamilton Airport trans Tasman flights fade

Lets enjoy aviation and have fun!

[Edited 2012-10-02 22:55:48]


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20983 times:

Well lets get the ball rolling   following on from the last posts in 119,

HA which will start flights between HNL-AKL on the 15 March next year now plans to operate 294-seater Airbus A330-200 aircraft instead of previously planned 264-seater 767-300ER.

Schedule:

HA445 HNL1425 – 2140+1AKL 332 135
HA446 AKL2340 – 1030HNL 332 246

With NZ making the change of putting the 763 back on the route, think we can say that this will be the next route to disappear?

Also

''Air New Zealand Mar – June 2013 North America Service Expansion'' ( The airline anticipates additional service expansion by July 2013, which will be announced at a later date.)

Auckland – Los Angeles Service operates 14 weekly once again, increases from 12. Boeing 777-200ER/300ER operating
NZ006 AKL1940 – 1255LAX 77W x2
NZ006 AKL1940 – 1255LAX 772 2
NZ002 AKL2130 – 1445LAX 77W D

NZ001 LAX2145 – 0545+2AKL 77W D
NZ005 LAX2230 – 0630+2AKL 772 2
NZ005 LAX2230 – 0630+2AKL 77W x2

Auckland – San Francisco Service operates daily, increases from 5 weekly - 744/772's
Auckland – Vancouver Service operates 3 weekly, Boeing 777-200ER operating



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20935 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
HA445 HNL1425 – 2140+1AKL 332 135
HA446 AKL2340 – 1030HNL 332 246

With NZ making the change of putting the 763 back on the route, think we can say that this will be the next route to disappear?

Before HA started HNL-SYD Qantas and Jetstar were operating a schedule with morning departures from SYD and night returns from HNL. HA started doing lunchtime departures from HNL and evening departures from SYD, which is what they are doing from AKL. Qantas and Jetstar copies them - wonder if AirNZ will move the departure time of Hawaii flights if the HA timings prove to be popular.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20848 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
Auckland – San Francisco Service operates daily, increases from 5 weekly - 744/772's

Does NZ have enough 772 for all these. It seems they will be very highly utilised. Also would they be parking one of the 744 in AKL?


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20539 times:

a quote from Kairahi...

On another note, I'm hearing from people who should know that AC is losing confidence in NZ as a code-share partner.

Are you able to elaborate ?


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20537 times:

NZ and the A330 was mentioned a couple of times in the previous thread. No doubt the A332 has the legs for 12-hr flights but the A333 simply does not. It is limited to max-passenger load . 10-hrs is about its limit with a good payload and this puts it just under what is needed from AKL to Asia in my view.

User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20472 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 3):
Does NZ have enough 772 for all these. It seems they will be very highly utilised. Also would they be parking one of the 744 in AKL?

If the schedule has been published then yes, there will be sufficient coverage in the fleet to operate the flights. The last two 744s are here till 2014 with the arrival of the 787s. No parking of the remaining hulls in the near future.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20403 times:

The March to June of 2013 with see the 772 come off the PVG route and be replaced with 763's on a daily basis, and Vancouver will operate only on a Wednesday, Friday and Sunday next year with the 772, so fingers crossed Network planning have got it right ? - except now they have a 763 up against a new A332 with HA on the HNL route.

We are still 20 months away from the first 787-9 delivery Boeing seem to be right on it even tho there are still delays with 787-8's (Qatar just to name 1!!)

Does anyone know what the final seat layout was going be for the 787-9's ? as NZ had to have it sorted by September 2012! and inform Boeing how it wanted to play.



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20229 times:

Anyone know why SQ is increasing services to AKL in FEB? and just the one month

overall service from 12 to 13 weekly.

Schedule:

SQ281 SIN0850 – 2345AKL 772 x2
SQ285 SIN2115 – 1210+1AKL 77W D

SQ282 AKL0105 – 0635SIN 772 x3
SQ286 AKL1330 – 1900SIN 77W D



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20147 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 8):
Anyone know why SQ is increasing services to AKL in FEB? and just the one month

Start of school and university term in New Zealand? Possibly plus Chinese new year?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20107 times:

Next year's China New year will fall on the 10th Feb, will we be getting any extra flights from NZ, CZ or CX ?


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3070 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20068 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 4):
Are you able to elaborate ?

The issues mentioned were FF plan earning/redemption reciprocity (e.g. it's impossible in practice to get a trans-Pacific flight or upgrade using Aeroplan points); and NZ's practice of dumping PE pax into the lowest Y bucket on AC flights, which has resulted in pax complaints to AC of the "never fly with AC again" type.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20049 times:
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Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 11):
dumping PE pax into the lowest Y bucket on AC flights

Charge high connecting flight fares but booked in cheapest fare classes


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19990 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 6):
Quoting cchan (Reply 3):
Does NZ have enough 772 for all these. It seems they will be very highly utilised. Also would they be parking one of the 744 in AKL?

If the schedule has been published then yes, there will be sufficient coverage in the fleet to operate the flights. The last two 744s are here till 2014 with the arrival of the 787s. No parking of the remaining hulls in the near future.

Only one 744 is utilised AKL-SFO-AKL Apr-Oct 2013 according to the Air NZ website schedule, 744 Tu Th Sa, 772 Fr Su.

That will now be daily AKL-SFO-AKL Apr-Jun 2013, 744 Tu Th Sa, 772 Mo We Fr Su. The Press Release says further increases are likely from Jul 2013 which could mean both 744's utilised on AKL-SFO-AKL from Jul 2013.

Only seven of the eight 772's are utilised Apr-Jun 2013, and that includes the extra Mo We AKL-SFO-AKL flights.

AKL-HKG-LHR Daily/5 weekly (3)
AKL-PER-AKL Daily (1)
AKL-SFO-AKL Mo We Fr Su, AKL-LAX-AKL Tu, AKL-NRT-AKL Fr Sa Su (2)
AKL-YVR-AKL We Fr Su (1)

Someone said the 744's would be getting 'C' checks. Are the 772's getting some work done Apr-Jun 2013?

PA515


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19867 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Charge high connecting flight fares but booked in cheapest fare classes

This is indeed my current gripe with NZ.

I remember that a few years ago the NZ booking engine would route NZ-LAX-New York Pax to JFK, but ever since the UA premium service was introduced with 34" pitch in Y, such connections do not show up on the website (except for a couple in J). Thus, pax find themselves stuck on an ex-CO 737 to Newark or on VX (ok airline, but tight pitch when not in main cabin select and no status point earning). This brasses me off as obviously NZ has deemed the UA Y PS fare classes to be "too dare" and probably too spacious and luxurious for pax pre-folded from their 77W Y run.

I for one would still like the option to show, even if it were a bit dearer than the 737 and VX flights. While I consider it disgusting for NZ to connect J pax to Y US domestic flights (becoming more and more common), it would seem fair to connect Y+ pax onto PS 34" trans-con Y at the least.

My last two bookings to JFK have thus been on VA, and it charges NZ Y fares for Y+ and connects you free of charge onto VX's Main Cabin Select class with spacious pitch not far behind Y+ standard.

Can the PS 757 flights even be booked through the call centre for a small premium? Anyone ever attempted this? If so a AKL-SFO-JFK Y ticket for circa $2,500 could be somewhat better value than cramped a 77W/Ex-CO737 $2k sale / regular fare....

On a different note, does anyone know if NZ has any of these floating around that I could acquire for my garden?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM7ksfRVF70&feature=player_embedded


timb777  


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19751 times:

Nz have started to restrict ticketing options on flights ex eastern seaboard like IAD etc to many parts within continental europe. LH/UA direct being shunned for connections on VS through LHR etc..yuck. There are still options
but far fewer and less convenient. Friends who are golds and who travel to usa then europe at least twice a year commented to me the other day asked me if i could think of any options. I gave them a few but said that if i were them i would think of going to europe via asia on another star carrier then buy another star fare t-at as a side journey.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5005 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19740 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 2):
Before HA started HNL-SYD Qantas and Jetstar were operating a schedule with morning departures from SYD and night returns from HNL. HA started doing lunchtime departures from HNL and evening departures from SYD, which is what they are doing from AKL. Qantas and Jetstar copies them - wonder if AirNZ will move the departure time of Hawaii flights if the HA timings prove to be popular.

I don't recall any of the QF/JQ flights departing in the morning...? I'm interested to see the scheduling...

I've just witnessed a B77W depart SYD and what appeared to be NZs new color scheme... Has the new scheme been rolled out or was it the reflection of the sun...

EK413



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19678 times:

''Emirates goes double daily through Auckland with A380's'

Well its finally happened can't see there being a 3rd A380 flight tho don't think AKL have the gate's? it's starting to look like a mini LHR of the south! ha-ha

New Zealand was placed firmly in Emirates' history book today, when Auckland became one of only a few destinations on the airline's ever-growing network to welcome the Airbus A380 twice daily.

Since 2009, one of Emirates' four daily flights to and from New Zealand - the Auckland service via Sydney - has been flown by the A380. Now, a second A380 has become part of the New Zealand schedule, with the aircraft replacing a Boeing 777-300ER on the Auckland service via Melbourne.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/emir...ble-daily-through-auckland-5112586



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19662 times:

So they are really having a 'Spring Clean' at the HUB theses days,

And some sad news - So we have said goodbye to Rob, Simon, Vanessa and Now : -

Resignation of Norm Thompson

Air New Zealand announces that Norm Thompson, the company’s Deputy Chief Executive Officer and acting Group General Manager International Airline, is to retire on 30 June 2013.

Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe commented:

“During my career I have had the privilege to work with many world class executives and leaders. None have exhibited the level of passion, commitment and knowledge relevant to their industry that I have seen from Norm since I joined Air New Zealand.

I have immensely valued his insights, perspectives and support during my tenure as Chief Executive Officer. He has enabled me to lead the business in the way I felt important by picking up on my behalf a multitude of key projects and international stakeholder relationships, especially within the Star Alliance and with other partners like government, tourism bodies, airports and air service providers.

Few Air New Zealanders have made as significant a contribution to our airline and the nation’s tourism industry as Norm has over the past 44 years. He is a world class senior executive and has been critical to shaping the multi award-winning airline we enjoy working in today.”

I think they have all done a good job and even had the pleasure of meeting Rob, Norm, Vanessa and Simon several times whilst I worked for them in 2007.

https://www.nzx.com/companies/AIR/announcements/228086

interesting words from the stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...95/Air-NZ-executives-find-the-exit

''Executives and other senior managers at Air New Zealand are nervously waiting to see what changes Luxon will make when he takes the reins at the end of December.'' where's the door?!!

but good on the shares - Air NZ shares closed at $1.215 on the NZX yesterday, their highest level in over 18 months (March 2011).



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19656 times:

But not so good news?

''40 engineering jobs at risk in Christchurch''

Up to 40 jobs could go at a Christchurch aircraft engine servicing company part-owned by Air New Zealand, the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) says.

The Christchurch Engine Centre, a joint venture between Government-controlled Air NZ and United States-based aircraft engine producer Pratt & Whitney, maintains several engine types for airlines and is based at Christchurch airport.

EPMU assistant director of organising Strachan Crang said the company was getting out of one of its engine lines because it had become obsolete. The company services planes from around the world and its earnings had been hit by the strong Kiwi dollar, he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ering-jobs-at-risk-in-Christchurch



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19619 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
I've just witnessed a B77W depart SYD and what appeared to be NZs new color scheme... Has the new scheme been rolled out or was it the reflection of the sun...

An ATR 72-600 being delivered this month is the first aircraft wearing the hideous/repulsive black scheme.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 17):

WAsn't this announced several months ago? I'm certain I've read about this before?


User currently offlinerjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19586 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
I don't recall any of the QF/JQ flights departing in the morning...? I'm interested to see the scheduling...

HA started the Sydney service in May 2004. At the time QF3 departed SYD at about 9AM and turned around in the middle of the night in HNL. In December 2004 QF aligned it's SYD-HNL flights to more closely copy the HA schedule.

JQ didn't operate SYD/MEL-HNL for some time later, (not sure at this point the actual stat date).

Despite the re-timing, both QF and JQ arrive HNL quite early, meaning hotel rooms are seldom available (and the return timings mean an early wake-up as well).

R


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19526 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
An ATR 72-600 being delivered this month is the first aircraft wearing the hideous/repulsive black scheme.

I thought it was getting the All Blacks scheme..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19504 times:

The only black were going to see is the the tail and words on the aircraft! this will either be make it or laugh it up for the company now it's on a real aircraft.

Does anyone know the flight route it will take from France to New Zealand yet?



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5005 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 19478 times:

Quoting rjm717 (Reply 21):
Despite the re-timing, both QF and JQ arrive HNL quite early, meaning hotel rooms are seldom available (and the return timings mean an early wake-up as well).

I've experienced this first hand in March and had to wait a good 5 hours until my room was ready...

Any information regarding today's LA800/801 service which arrived a good 7 hours late into SYD...?

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
25 777ER : Oh yea, forgot about the rugby livery. Second ATR in January then. Any updates on the other 1900Ds to receive the rugby livery? Any Q300s?
26 nascarnut : Looks like the ATR has replaced the 3rd Beech in the Rugby scheme. I have not heard any word on a Q300 be painted yet. The next aircraft to recieve a
27 NZ1 : I doubt any more B1900D's will be painted black due to a number of aircraft required in maintenance over the next 12 months. Doesn't leave any slack i
28 NZ2 : The wife and I were routed JFK/SFO on the UA P.S. service as our return leg to AKL, it was a great flight, this was back in May this year, seemed to
29 alangirvan : The Radio NZ News broadcast said the engine type is the JT8D which has not been used by AirNZ itself for years and years - who else would use this en
30 ZK-NBT : They usually increase to 14 weekly from mid December through mid Feb, which looks to be the case according to the schedules atm with 13 weekly until
31 Post contains images zkojq : According to planespotters.net, Airwork has added a 737-300 to the New Zealand register. Prior to October the 4th, ZK-TLB (SN26310) was registered VQ-
32 timb777 : Interesting. Indeed, a search of the first 10 days in May next year showed a P.S connection through SFO. (Good!). However, no P.S JFK connections wer
33 Post contains images timb777 : Haha, It sounds like we're in luck then!! Now all we need is a lot of concrete, a couple of steel beams, an APU, a very large fuel tank and some leav
34 NZ6 : VX is offered over UA (US, DL, AA) due to cost. I know UA charge about $300+ per coupon more than VX, NZ switching to use VX is an attempt to keep th
35 deconz : for who's benefit I wonder - NZ's most likely ...
36 NZ6 : Well looks review the options 1. NZ uses VX and prices remain the same 2. NZ uses UA only and prices increase by $300+ (I know one east coast destina
37 NZ107 : I just hope VX stays alive.. They're a great airline - the first where I've seen everyone talking to their neighbours for the entire flight (4 hrs, OR
38 NZ6 : We all know UA is rubbish - in fact I understand NZ fares don't use UA via SYD anymore as they increased their fee for the SYDLAX sector, it increase
39 xiaotung : Just as the decade long relationship with JL never saw JL become part of the Airpoints programme? They just don't care about anything to do with mono
40 NZ107 : Nothing rules out the whole Virgin Group joining Star or anything though.. Highly unlikely but it's still possible
41 timb777 : Interesting. If this cost reduction is the motivation, then that explains the appearance of DL as an option - domestically, a cheap, absolute dog of
42 aerorobnz : Sure like any North American carrier, but I still like to visit Star Alliance lounges, and actually it is customer choice that should dictate whether
43 koruman : Why can't they offer both? Surely in an era when management boasts about allowing "a la carte options" the booking engine can allow each of the follo
44 NZ6 : There is a solid reason why they can't - unless they join Star. I'm sure NZ would welcome them if they could. Very true - I can't see it happening th
45 NZ2 : We were on a 7am flight but being Kiwis we decided to have a beer about 10.30. I asked the FA for 2 beeers and a antipasto platter, when he came back
46 NZ6 : I agree however at the end of the day you need a robust product which suits everyone's needs and is also profitable for the airline. given the figure
47 mariner : I wish you would. I don't like the alliances generally (I avoid them) but I'm sure it is of value to the airline. Similarly, OneWorld is still of val
48 Post contains images timb777 : Absolutely. For me, and many I know, I'm willing to pay a considerable surcharge to maintain the consistent *G treatment over the entire journey. As
49 BlackLabel : BOB. Complimentary meals (or snacks) in Y went away mid-2006 on p.s. The food in business/first isn't much to write home about either.
50 NZ107 : Indeed.. I was flying ORD-IAD on UA and had Ch9 on the whole flight. Good thing too because I heard "Air Force One" a few times - it was about 15-30
51 aerorobnz : Profitability is important, and part of that is by offering what passengers will part with their hard earned money for. If it turns perfectly good mo
52 Kaiarahi : That would just about be an open invitation to AC to compete on YVR-AKL (which they're considering anyway). AC's Y is better (9-abreast 77W/L), J is
53 aerorobnz : No doubt in the world about that.. A hypothetical scenario which shows how important the star alliance is to NZ ultimately. Without the incentive to
54 timb777 : I think I remember reading that in one of your TR's a few years back. Must have been exciting when you figured out what was going on! Americans seem
55 NZ107 : Nup, you didn't.. This was two weeks ago haha. But I did have Ch9 on that flight I wrote a TR on..
56 Post contains links mariner : Interesting article about the alliances - and their future - here: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/blog...for-passengers-20121008-278au.html "When th
57 WSTAKL : Seems to me that NZ prefer facebook and twitter to do this.
58 xiaotung : Alliance does make sense to NZ especially to their long haul operations when 80% of their long haul pax come from other parts of the world. So you wa
59 mariner : I am not suggesting it leaves Star Alliance. Qantas has not left OneWorld. mariner
60 koruman : This is true, but it is the sheer avarice of the airlines which is destroying the benefits for the consumers, who then fail to provide the loyalty an
61 BlackLabel : If those were served, that would be fine - but more recently in p.s. business and first they have been rather terrible "light snack" things (mediterr
62 Zkpilot : AC used to be good, the past few times I have flown on them I have found their product and service to be lacking (USA/Can not longhaul). I have not h
63 aerokiwi : No sign of the All Black ATR on the tarmac in TLS, I'm afraid. Will have one last look on Thursday.
64 Post contains images BonzoLab : Hi guys, some pics out of the factory of ZK-MVA. Cheers
65 NZ107 : Looking good! Can't wait to see it in real life
66 Palmyboy12 : Wow, looks marvellous! Thanks for the photos! It seems Air NZ might be bringing back Mount Cook Airline's Mount Cook Lily logo on Link aircraft...Int
67 ZKSUJ : Yea I see that. Wonder if the Dash 8's will get the Air NS wave and the Beeches the Eagle circle thingy when they repaint them all
68 nascarnut : AR1180 coming into AKL at 1510. Anybody know why.....fuel issue/medical??
69 nascarnut : Qantas making brief return to Rotorua Oct 13th QF to operate 2 737-800's in ROT. QF6033 BNE-ROT-AKL ETA 1235 ETD 1355 QF6031 SYD-ROT-AKL ETA 1600 ETD
70 NZ107 : Strong headwinds I'd assume? Just like QF8 stopping in AKL a few times last week
71 sunrisevalley : What was the flight time for the NZ 77W EZE-AKL two Saturdays ago?
72 cchan : Any idea which routes will the ATR72-600 be operated on?
73 CHCalfonzo : It'll just be a part of the ATR fleet, won't be confined to any specific routes.
74 777ER : Where you see this?
75 NZ107 : First photo... Though it's only under the cockpit window rather than on the tail..
76 aerokiwi : Oooo excellent, thanks. Yeah and it's nice to see the lily making a return. Any idea when she's due to be rolled out for flight tests?
77 777ER : Thanks, totally overlooked that! Pity its only under the cockpit windows and not bigger
78 zkncj : My understanding is that they are going to be AKL based and will take over some rotes from the Q300s e.g AKL-NSN
79 BonzoLab : ZK-MVA is due in NZCH by the end of the month, expect to see it out doing crew famils mid November. They will initially be flown on very familiar rout
80 Post contains links ZKOJH : back in 2011 ! ''Flights to New Zealand are expected once the current $350 million redevelopment process is completed in late 2012, with Singapore tip
81 NZ107 : Wishful thinking there. Both QF and NZ/VA have it sorted- just route them through SYD/MEL. It seems to be working for the time being. I also doubt th
82 aerorobnz : For those who are fellow Star Golds in particular, there are changes to be announced shortly that potentially may make you happier when flying NZ. For
83 777ER : I highly doubt theres enough demand for 2x daily to AKL and WLG with B738s/A320s. Maybe with an E190 once daily to both AKL and WLG?
84 Post contains links 777ER : Nelson Airport has been voted New Zealand's best airport http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...elson-Airport-is-New-Zealands-best
85 aerorobnz : I think maybe if the new ATR72-600s could fly that distance over water with the fuel savings over a jet, payload and reserves it would be ideal for s
86 NZ107 : Well if they do what EK does and stops in Australia, then it might be viable.. But yeah, nonstop is pretty much out of the question.
87 Kaiarahi : All * Golds, or just NZ?
88 aerorobnz : *G in general.
89 xiaotung : Interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with S2S fares not honouring *G benefits. Did NZ fail a *A audit?
90 koruman : No, I think they will extend OneUp elite upweights to ALL Star Golds, not as a favour but to inflate the bidding levels.
91 Post contains links ZKOJH : Pressure to increase on the LHR-HKG route from as early as July 2013, When BA will slap the A380 on the route. NOW what will NZ do about this ? oh wai
92 cchan : What pressure? Aren't the NZ 77Es heaps better than those ugly A380s?! My point is that passengers choose an airline for various reasons, the product
93 PA515 : Don't know precisely, but I believe the Sun 30 Sep ZK-OKQ NZ1935 EZE-AKL was approx 12 hrs 38 min. When the flight was announced in May EZE-AKL was S
94 PA515 : Well it's not all bad. The BA 380 will no doubt be a late evening departure, while NZ is a morning departure. BA's main competition is One World part
95 PA515 : Thought this flight time was a bit suspect as AR took 13 hrs 40 min, so I've checked the flightradar24.com times again. The Replay times are UTC (GMT
96 aerorobnz : I have done the flight quicker on AR previously - of course weather/routing permitting. In fact I have flown a sub 11h back from EZE with favourable
97 sunrisevalley : Thanks John; this time gives an ESAD of ~6500nm. How much of this was due to winds and how much was due EDTO 240-min. fly around is an open question.
98 sunrisevalley : [quote=aerorobnz,reply=96]LA by comparison regularly post 10h20 to 10h45 times[/quote Based on a 5223nm GC SCL-AKL to get these times they have a slig
99 aerorobnz : For NZ to stay within EDTO 240 using IPC as the only option for diversion it may be slightly different to LA/AR who fly whichever is the optimum rout
100 Post contains links and images Palmyboy12 : Was on the Designworks website today and found this illustration of a 787 in Air NZ's new livery....seems to be the first one with the black tail as f
101 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Bring back the classic, 'old' livery !!!
102 A330NZ : The new livery is bland, like Finnair. I much prefer the current livery because the colour change from blue to turquoise is interesting and eye catch
103 Post contains links and images Palmyboy12 : You mean..... This? View Large View MediumPhoto © Colin Parker - The HongKong Spotters Or this? View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Leask Ah, the day
104 ZKSUJ : I personally like the current Pacific wave livery WITH the wave on the fuselage. Looks elegant IMHO
105 sunrisevalley : I think the main event that has to happen is for the RR powered 77E's to get FAA approval for greater than EDTO-180. Not having the FAA approval is t
106 cchan : Looks like some temporary paint jobs to me, like they don't have time to paint an aircraft properly, so they just put on a logo and the company name
107 Palmyboy12 : I have heard that the Koru on the tail will be painted in buffed silver in the new livery. Is it true? It would look very nice, I think, in silver, in
108 Kiwinlondon : Quoting Palmyboy12 Ah, the days of DC-8s and 747SPs in Wellington NZ never had any 747SP. The only versions they ever had were the 742 and 744. QF did
109 777ER : QF operated 747SPs daily into WLG before changing to 767s, followed by 733s then 734s and currently 738s. NZ was DC8s, 762s, 733s and now A320s
110 Palmyboy12 : Sorry if that wasn't clear, I was refering to QF, not NZ
111 Post contains links WSTAKL : Thought this was a weather diversion when it flew over my house yesterday ... http://sunlive.co.nz/news/33223-memorable-first-virgin-oz.html[Edited 20
112 Post contains links NZ107 : A couple of videos of it too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqdPClChKd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xEb...A&feature=share&list=ULP8xEb6
113 motorhussy : For quite sometime, after NZ's DC-8's retired and before their 762's arrived, it was the only trans-Tasman aircraft into WLG. NZ bought blocks of sea
114 Post contains images zkojq : Would a 737 retrojet in the livery prior to Pacific Wave, really be so much to ask for? Boring and bland, though not as much so as I had feared. Ther
115 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Lightning grounds flights in the South Island'' Some flights at Westport have been grounded after a lightning storm caused "significant damage" to t
116 Post contains links mariner : Despite the negativity by some some, I guess Bali did okay: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/asia/7...2/Back-to-Bali-for-Air-New-Zealand "Back to Bali fo
117 motorhussy : I hadn't realised it wasn't year round. Glad it was an apparent success. Where does the 763 go in the off season?
118 zkncj : HNL
119 Post contains links 777ER : I was REALLY happy when I read it before on stuff! I went to DPS with NZ in June and the flight there was 100% full but the return flight was around
120 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...16/Taranaki-to-get-bigger-aircraft So it does look like they've changed their ATR 72-600 plan and they'll now o
121 ZKSUJ : From what I gather there are no routes dedicated solely to the 500/600. It's luck of the draw which one you get, all based in CHC aswell
122 Mr AirNZ : Since being assigned to Mount Cook, the intention was always they would simply be incorpated into the fleet and boost numbers. Some people misinterpr
123 Post contains images NZ107 : Oh well, guess I'll need some insider help in order to catch it sometime
124 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Passenger Jets Help To Rescue Missing Sailor Passengers and crew on two commercial planes use binoculars to help find a missing yachtsman off Austra
125 Post contains links Andrensn : Have started new thread for this Two Aircraft Divert For Search + Rescue Australia (by Andrensn Oct 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)
126 Post contains links haggis73 : NZ 703 - 16/10/12 Departure - ZK-OJE. http://www.thenzsource.com/
127 aerorobnz : AKL-AMS showing on grabaseat for 18/10.... will be interesting to see routing and cost...
128 ZKOJH : haggis73 - many thanks for the link such a cool site - will remember this!
129 Post contains links MotorHussy : The story at http://www.thenzsource.com/air-new-z...0-zk-oje-involved-in-yacht-search/ reports the AC plane as being a 777-200ER when it would have t
130 NZ107 : Most NZ fares take NZ to LHR (with the allowance of VS via HKG/PVG) and then KL over to AMS.. So I wouldn't be surprised it if 's the same situation.
131 haggis73 : Yes, you are quite right. C-FIUJ is a 200LR. I'm picking it's a typo.
132 aerorobnz : routing is AKL-PVG-AMS NZ/KL $1699 rtn...not bad price, but pity you have to put up with KL on a longhaul 744...:-P
133 ZKOJH : Bali Flight times are now up in the set, Times are as follows for next year; Schedule: NZ245 AKL1100 – 1630DPS 763 26 NZ246 DPS1800 – 0600+1AKL 76
134 ZKSUJ : Oh dear, the dreaded 3-4-3, 10 abreast seating plan :P
135 Post contains images ZKOJH : it would have been nice if they did a 'one off' flight to AMS with the All Blacks 77W aircraft, KLM's 744's aren't that nice
136 777ER : Much better arrival/departure then previously! What changes has been made to enable those flight times?
137 ZKOJH : This year's times to Bali were not that good, NZ had to move them around because they were redoing the runway in Bali, looking at next year's they are
138 sunrisevalley : Might it have something to do with a better schedule for the incoming plane that is to fly the service?
139 Post contains images NZ107 : And Paris today with AF's possible 3-4-3 configuration
140 nZ99 : New Night Rider flights from Air New Zealand http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/night-rider Sounds like a great new service, sad to see thou yet another l
141 Post contains links xiaotung : Incoming Air NZ boss Luxon drops GM short-haul from top team http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/air-nzs...hort-haul-executive-team-bd-130969 Does this have
142 Post contains images Mr AirNZ : You want frills for a price that is cheaper than most bus tickets! Eesh People paying this price are not going to care what frills they do or don't g
143 Post contains images NZ107 : Nice, where's this 727 coming from?
144 xiaotung : When you look at each of the 7 roles under Luxon, you will find there is no division between long haul and short haul. I see Luxon taking back contro
145 xiaotung : Apparently NBR has changed the title of this article to: Air NZ says Bruce Parton still in running for inner circle
146 aklrno : I would happily take these flights. No food or drink is necessary on such a short hop. I'll bring my own. Would the Koru lounge exclusion apply to *G
147 zkncj : Yes this is because the lounge closes at 9pm
148 cchan : Especially when the guy sitting next to you is being served a meal and you know he paid less than half of what you paid.
149 777ER : 727-200???
150 xiaotung : What if you check in at 8pm can *G still go to the lounge? If not, is this flight not on the *A network?
151 aerokiwi : Finally! It always seemed ridiculous that the last NZ WLG-AKL departure was 9pm. Always proved troublesome when you'd had a day's work in Welly and w
152 ZKOJH : Spoke to my contact in Auckland a couple of hours ago, and all the 'Night Rider' Flights are operated with 733's , the 727 was a typo error silly peop
153 zkncj : Now Jetstar has followed by reducing the price on its late night AKL-WLG-AKL to $19
154 Megatop747-412 : I wonder whether will the $19 fare be for the entire plane like what Air NZ is doing, or only selected (few) seats. Regardless, this can only be good
155 Post contains images ZKSUJ : But knowing one's luck with JQ, a late night departure may well turn into an early morning departure or cancellation due WLG curfew Hope they roll out
156 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Air India offers five Boeing 777s for sale'' Interesting times , seems AI are selling some planes MUMBAI: Unable to find a home for its Boeing 777-2
157 NZ2 : Agreed, booking close to flight day sees exactly that, a fortune for a seat only. I know that is the way it works but becomes easy to go with other o
158 777ER : Is JQs $19 fares an 'intro' type fare or every flight on every day, every year fare?
159 Zkpilot : Really depends on how well AI has looked after them... you don't want to mess with safety. If NZ picked them up for an absolute steal I guess the poi
160 aerorobnz : saw the full profile of ZK-MVA today. Looks great!!! best of the black aircraft IMO
161 Post contains links 777ER : Looks like the passenger who caused the bomb scare at AKL arrived on Air Vanuatu http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...ir-Vanuatu-anger-over-safety-s
162 Post contains links PA515 : Photo of ZK-MVA Might look better without 'Link' at the front end. PA515
163 NZ107 : Looks great! Hope I get to fly on it sometime when it's still new..
164 Post contains images ZKOJH : Yea great Picture but the word 'LINK' looks really strange!! This is what the new colours should be across the whole fleet!
165 NZ107 : Attention WLG spotters - a Philippine Airlines A330-300 is heading your way tomorrow.. No idea what time. You might want to check it out. Departing a
166 Post contains links and images zkojq : Air New Zealand comes third on Condê Nast Travellers' list of reader's best foreign airlines: http://www.cntraveler.com/readers-ch...rds/transportati
167 xiaotung : They are probably betting that most passengers on this flight will return some other time and buy the more expensive fare. It probably is Rob Fyfe's
168 byronicle6 : They'll be a loss leader. Air NZ will be counting on pax paying a standard fare one way and a cheap night rider fare on the other, although there's n
169 jamesnz : I imagine the night rider flights are also intended to keep NZ in the forefront of consumers' minds when they consider who offers cheap flights. If pa
170 haggis73 : At this stage, scheduled for a 1220 departure from AKL. RP-C3333.[Edited 2012-10-21 23:03:14]
171 777ER : Thanks Nick. I'm on PM shifts this week so will see if I can pop out before work
172 ZKSUJ : It's in AKL atm. What is it doing here?
173 Post contains links zkojq : I guess that makes sense then. Presidential visit, I assume: http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=39607[Edited 2012-10-22 00:10:02]
174 777ER : Doesn't each one way fare go towards the cost of that certain flight?
175 Post contains links haggis73 : In Canada. Has just been re-registered as C-GTVO earlier this month. http://www.regosearch.com/aircraft/ca/GTVO
176 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : If NZ had been smart about the new livery they should have worked out how to incorporate the Silver Fern into it. It's looks stunning on the black pla
177 aerokiwi : Finally! Looks great, but yeah, the 'Link' looks a bit odd, could be shifted back down the fuselage a few notches. I still reckon with a few tweaks (r
178 Kaiarahi : YRP (Carp), which is address of the new owner, is also home to Bradley Air Services which operates in the Canadian north as 7F (First Air). 7F lost a
179 aerorobnz : I've looked back through the archives and I think the answer is no. But, as a -219C it will be of high specification and it has age on its side (for
180 koruman : Has anyone else noticed that next winter the 777-200ER is back on Honolulu rather than China or Japan? I tried to do a booking ex-HNL earlier today, a
181 ZK-NBT : HNL looks to be a 772 for the July August period at this stage. NRT and PVG seem to both be a mixed 772/763 service at this stage. With possible addi
182 Post contains links and images NZ107 : View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent So here it is with its ZK registration.. What's the date it's leaving TLS/expected in NZ?[Edited 2012-10-23 1
183 Kaiarahi : It's not a huge deal - all off-the-shelf stuff. Anti-FOD vortex generator on the engines and anti-FOD skid on the nose gear.
184 BonzoLab : Expected to depart Toulouse 31 October.
185 777ER : Wonder if NZ is planning a photo session with all 5 'All Black' aircraft?
186 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Gisborne Airport rise in landing fees rail-road Air New Zealand to reduce services'' Air New Zealand is reducing capacity into Gisborne as a result
187 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington Airport terminal for $40m upgrade A $40 million upgrade and expansion of Wellington Airport's domestic terminal will increase its size by a
188 cchan : Any idea which aircraft will be operating NZ35 AKL-HKG-LHR departing AKL on 1 Nov? Thanks.
189 777ER : NZs new night rider fares are already on sale $7 (seat) or $17 (seat + bag) for travel between 17 - 24 December. Wellington Airport has a new LOTR sty
190 A330NZ : I remeber a while ago that Garuda announced that they'll start serving Auckland Does anyone have any information as to when this service will be start
191 777ER : Its basically just an MOU with AKL. No certain starting dates, just presume it will be announced once more A330s arrive?
192 ZKSUJ : Funny how no one has mentioned NZ scaling back GIS services from Dec 1 due to the airport hiking it's fees by over 100%
193 aerorobnz : Reply 186?? GIS is just typical of New Zealand price gouging across the industries. Sad to say it, but reduction/loss of services needs to happen to
194 ZKSUJ : My bad I must have skimmed through that. I agree with you, I read an article today of some MP complaining about it. NZ is a business, they need to do
195 NZ107 : I'm also waiting for someone to confirm.. But seeing it'll take the All Blacks to London, it only seems right for OKQ to operate it..
196 aerorobnz : OKQ still operating 1 NOV when I checked earlier today. The Hobbit 77W isn't too far away now either.
197 777ER : Does NZ have any plans for the Hobbit 77W to be in WLG for the world screening?
198 NZ1 : Few weeks away yet. OKP is the bird due to receive this special livery. NZ1
199 cchan : It seems the Asian routes have completely missed out on NZ's special liveries. Are there any further 77W flights scheduled for AKL-HKG-LHR?
200 NZ107 : Until a 772 gets painted with a hobbit maybe next year..
201 ZKSUJ : Anyone know why there was a Uzbekistan 763 at CHC today? Also an NZ 763, didn't think they went to CHC anymore, was something going on there?
202 Post contains images zkojq : Thanks. They are usually chartered to rotate crews of foreign fishing boats. Many of the crews are from various parts of the CIS, but the boats spend
203 CHCalfonzo : It was ZK-NCJ operating NZ90 NRT-CHC-AKL for the first time this summer.
204 Post contains links ZKOJH : Hi everyone - New Zealand thread 121 is now open! New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 121 (by ZKOJH Oct 29 2012 in Civil Aviation) Please now Lock this o
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