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What Will DL Do After NYC?  
User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 843 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

After DL conquers New York with it's LGA expansion and new JFK facilities, which market will be its next? Granted there is a lot of operational work to get the dual hub system working and a ton of marketing efforts to get the revenue stream on target. Just wondering what they might go after next. What holes could DL reasonably shore up in its network. Which current alliance partners could indicate an underserved opportunity? What will be the next strategic push?

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

Well given the fact that their earnings have grown significantly, you think they may re-add flights to CVG again? I've heard people tell me that the lobbying for more service out of CVG has been upped since these profitability reports have come out. In particular, service to larger cities which has been shed by the cuts is being lobbied strongly by the greater Cincy business community. According to my dad though it's fallen upon deaf ears- until now. You think after they're done expanding at NYC they'll begin adding back to CVG?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11915 times:

Personally, I think Milwaukee, seeing as they already announced that they would have a greater presence there. Probably not a hub, but maybe a focus city.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
According to my dad though it's fallen upon deaf ears- until now. You think after they're done expanding at NYC they'll begin adding back to CVG?

As it is, DL is pitting LGA against CVG. I don't see them "reviving" anything. There are more and more connection opportunities being offered through LGA that traditionally flew through CVG.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 3):
Personally, I think Milwaukee, seeing as they already announced that they would have a greater presence there. Probably not a hub, but maybe a focus city.

MKE is small potatoes. DL saw an opportunity to swallow a very large portion of passengers that had no where to go with the continued downfall of F9 and WN's continued draw-down of FL's "hub" shifting capacity to MDW. Very smart move but dont read too much into what DL's doing there.

Quoting questions (Thread starter):

Ive said it before and i'll say it again. Once the Concrete Jungle dust settles after 2013, I think DL will refocus on LAX in a bigger way than they have. Marketing wise, it's sort of taken a back seat to the money being dumped into NYC and key European markets. Namely LHR. Having their PR so focused was genius IMHO. They're slowly making strides in LAX although on a small low-key scale. The big sponsorships have been in place for a while. The T5 check-in lobby and gates are currently getting a much needed face-lift that will be ongoing through next year. The network is O.K. They are flying to where people want to go and although very quiet about it, some time back, LAX went all two-class. There are no scheduled 50 seater flights though LAX on DL. They've also been hinting that LatAm and South America will be the new battleground.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11868 times:

They have NYC sewed up for now. My guess is LAX. That is their "must have" weak spot in Skyteam mode.


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User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):

I agree. I feel that both LAX and South/Latin America is the next thing on the 'to do' list. It'll be interesting to see if they start to build up each area simultaneously or not. Most of the "highlights" on dlnet have been about different media/PR events going on in South America and improvements being made in LAX so it's clear they are gearing up for something.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11763 times:

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 6):
I agree. I feel that both LAX and South/Latin America is the next thing on the 'to do' list.

With AA in shambles, I smell a MIA hub takeover soon   



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User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11732 times:

Los Angeles

FILL

FILL



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11657 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
I think DL will refocus on LAX in a bigger way than they have...They've also been hinting that LatAm and South America will be the new battleground.

DL's already pursued LAX unsuccessfully (inaugurating & dropping BDL, RDU, GRU, etc.; even classic markets such as MEX were dumped). Like any other market, LAX will continue to be tinkered with, but I strongly doubt there will be a "big" focus. As it is, the development of NYC and re-creation of the network (with larger jets) are two daunting tasks that will suck capital for years.

Focusing on LatAm & South America from JFK would suck even additional funds. The two markets are largely tapped out from ATL, and DL isn't going to be pursing a FLL/MIA strategy. Development takes time and MIA has too many constraints - not to mention exploding costs within the next few years that would make any venture into S.FL risky.



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 990 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11459 times:

The problem with LAX is that there is little corporate traffic in that area compared to other cities up the coast. Unlike SFO, it does not have the big IT firms to help drive business to Asia, so I'm not sure where the growth will come from. Also, there are so many carriers in LAX competing for both domestic and international business that I'm not sure if new flights (especially domestic) would be that profitable. It seems to me that it might be better for DL to focus on maximizing the flights it has out of NYC and ensuring they are getting the premium business. That might be a more profitable use of resources than a new investment in LAX, especially if those efforts were to attract a lot of low fares that trash yields.

As far as new cities go, I see DL continuing to build its presence in SEA and PDX (what it will do with AS is up in the air). It could also consider strengthening its position at RDU. Those markets are likely more profitable than LAX, although I'm not sure it has had that much luck out of RDU beyond its hub flying.


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11345 times:

The reason DL is so profitable is because they cut flights in places like CVG, LAX and MEM. Adding flights to those cities and adding MKE just makes DL unprofitable again.

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
you think they may re-add flights to CVG again?

I personally don't see it happening. I think they've got CVG optimized to about where it needs to be as far as meeting traffic needs. As others have noted, a lot of the flying that was once done ex- CVG is now done thorugh other hubs.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 3):
Personally, I think Milwaukee, seeing as they already announced that they would have a greater presence there.

Maybe a targeted new city or two, and an increase in A/C size, but not much else. JMHO...



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11073 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 5):
They have NYC sewed up for now

UA serves 7 million more passengers per year in the NYC market then DL.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

I agree that Delta is like to focus more energy in coming years on LAX and Latin America, although I question how successful they will be at either.

LAX is going to be an uphill climb because that market is just like New York - huge, but highly fragmented with several other very large, strong players, but unlike New York Delta cannot realistically "buy" their market share as they have done to some extent in New York with the slot swap.

In Latin America, I think Delta is going to try and do what every U.S. airline has done, which is to further develop their business in one of the fastest-growing and economically strongest regions in the world in recent years. The challenge I think they will face, however, is that I see little potential for organic growth in ATL beyond the already-substantial growth Delta has had there in the last 10-15 years, which leaves growth from other markets, but all of those other hypothetical markets (like JFK, LAX or, as some on A.net regularly suggest, MIA) area also highly competitive.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
UA serves 7 million more passengers per year in the NYC market then DL.

Exactly. 20% of a market constitutes having it "sewn up," especially when another competitor has 25% market share and two others both have more than 10% each?

  


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10961 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
Exactly. 20% of a market constitutes having it "sewn up," especially when another competitor has 25% market share and two others both have more than 10% each?

Total passengers (EWR, JFK, LGA, SWF)

UA:
27,7121885

DL:
21,029,698

B6:
14,235,512

AA:
14,216,525


EWR, JFK, LGA, SWF ranking by cargo ton:

FX:
514,247

UPS:
176,904

AA:
120,415

UA:
103,964

DL:
99,480

LH:
78,950



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
With AA in shambles, I smell a MIA hub takeover soon  

That was my thought right out of the gate as well.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6516 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10916 times:

I believe that Delta will build up Boston because of a couple of reasons ie, outstanding facility and Delta's historical strength in Boston

User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):

Again the reason DL is profitable is because theyve abandon places like BOS as focus cities. Expand in BOS and take on JetBlue and Delta loses money. Delta should just keep doing what they're doing and ignore a.net advice and predictions.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10807 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
UA serves 7 million more passengers per year in the NYC market then DL

That gap obviously does not yet reflect the full result of the US-DL slot swap.

[Edited 2012-10-03 06:24:21]

User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 19):

The slot swap isn't worth 7m pax in volume. Yes Delta will go up but the slot swap won't get them past UA


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10757 times:
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Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 19):
The slot swap isn't worth 7m pax in volume. Yes Delta will go up but the slot swap won't get them past UA

Nobody said it was going to get them past UA, but the gap should narrow to around 4 million+ when all is said and done.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 18):
That gap obviously does not reflect the result of the US-DL slot swap.

True, but even with that, Delta still likely won't be as large as United, and JetBlue and AA will still both have substantial market share in New York. Nobody is debating that Delta's market share in New York has been, and is, growing, but calling the market "sewn up" for Delta is just not factual.


User currently onlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10655 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
As it is, DL is pitting LGA against CVG. I don't see them "reviving" anything. There are more and more connection opportunities being offered through LGA that traditionally flew through CVG.
Quoting NWAESC (Reply 12):
I personally don't see it happening. I think they've got CVG optimized to about where it needs to be as far as meeting traffic needs. As others have noted, a lot of the flying that was once done ex- CVG is now done thorugh other hubs.

These are the keys to CVG's coffin being nailed shut - that flying has been replaced by substitute hubs that work just as well if not better for them (esp. DTW, but also spread across the others). Of course DL COULD go back and add flights, but I think substantial additions are out of the question because they've simply gone so far away from that at this point. Shuttering OH is yet another indication. In other words, DL has moved on after the "breakup" with CVG, and has learned how to live without them.

Now all of that said, more service from other carriers is a definite possibility. It will be very interesting to watch how this plays out between the incumbents and new entrants (the long-rumored "inevitable" WN arrival, possible B6, etc.). The key as a CVG fan is to realize that CVG is not and will not be a focus city or otherwise a major station for anyone. However, the future is most certainly looking bright, as DL's stranglehold has been broken, and we are likely to see additional service and new carriers going forward. Eventually CVG will become much more like CMH, where there isn't a hegemonic carrier, but where the overall service offered is excellent and diverse across carriers. But that is a good thing for us. I've said this before and I'll say it again: DL's pulldown leaves numerous opportunities for other carriers to begin making inroads on various routes like DCA, SFO, PHX, ORD, etc. where DL is relatively less strong than LGA, LAX, BOS, and the like.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
With AA in shambles, I smell a MIA hub takeover soon

This was mentioned the other day by someone on here, but the truth is that MIA (both the market and the airport itself) has enough spare capacity for someone else to step up a focus city or minihub anytime they want. It would just take a little effort to do so. Not to say it isn't necessarily more likely due to bk and distraction at AA, but there hasn't been and isn't still anything stopping someone else from doing so.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

THere was a long debate in another thread about it ....but MIA MIA MIA......DL wants it bad. Personally, i think they will make a move on it if at all possible, in addition to slowly expanding LAX....
NYC gives them Europe, MIA will give them LatAm/Caribbean and Africa, LAX will give them Asia.....ATL, SLC, DTW and MSP take care of the domestic with some overflow international. And CVG gives them a little gravy.
THat to me sounds like a nice well rounded plan that can withstand shock events that don't involve the entire world. FOr example, crisis in Europe? Lat Am keep the profit going. Asian SARS....Europe keeps DL afloat.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3):
They've also been hinting that LatAm and South America will be the new battleground.

It already is.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

My guess is that DL will focus on SEA and BOS next. But there's still lot's of work to do in NYC. Once the economy picks up we can expect some international markets to come back that have gotten the axe in the past 2-3 years.

25 WA707atMSP : When have facts ever gotten in the way of peoples' beliefs on ANet?
26 LHCVG : Word on here is that UA and AA also have qualitative advantage in corporate contracts vs. DL in NYC. This continues to shrink as well, but I think DL
27 CompensateMe : I've never seen any evidence to suggest DL's interested in MIA -- just some ramblings on a.net. ATL can serve most all the non-Florida bound traffic
28 LHCVG : For sure. I never said it would be easy, or that DL specifically would go after it, but MIA could handle another focus city. I agree DL still sits on
29 B727FA : My guess is that at most CVG could see some limited up-gauging of some "major" routes currently run with LRJ's...but it's profitable at its current st
30 Bobloblaw : The days of legacy airlines opening new hubs are over. Delta would lose a bucketload in MIA competing against AA. AA has all the corporate contracts
31 LHCVG : I agree. The point of the statement I referenced was that there doesn't have to be a formal takeover of AA's MIA hub - another airline could simply a
32 yellowtail : I have....unfortunately I cannot share. MLT (DL Vacations) usually negotiates discounts/comissions/net rates 30-40% off the rack...but by they time t
33 totesen : The sad part is that Alaska now has the MEX rights, and they will not get them back. But their parthner AM, has nearly 5 daily from MEX. plus GDL, MT
34 jetlanta : How about posting O&D numbers after a full year of DL LGA ops? The numbers you posted are about as worthless as comparing Pan Am's share to TWA's
35 fxramper : what is this grand expansion you speak of at JFK? outside of a new terminal (not even sure what that is) they dump routes like the flavor of the week.
36 STT757 : How much more narrow does DL have to get to "win New Yok"? By excluding EWR they "Win", by not counting O&D they "Win", by coming second place wi
37 Post contains images Deltal1011man : No. Still has flights to LAX. in the 90s.....hope your not using that to compare anything. errr Delta was already number 2 in NYC before the slot swa
38 Post contains images CompensateMe : 2005 was in the 1990s?
39 slcdeltarumd11 : Everyone in typical a.net fashion expets Delta to expand for the sake of out pleasure. I think we will see the move to an even leaner airline over tim
40 Ezra : I agree. They have first-mover status (and a quality job at that) in the m&a game to leverage.
41 LHCVG : I haven't seen DL's guidance for this year, but on one of the recent UA investor calls, their guys mentioned an expectation of capacity being "essent
42 Prost : DL will begin their ticket lobby remodelling in SEA shortly at a cost of ~$18 Million. They've recently opened a new skyclub in Seattle as well. I thi
43 CompensateMe : The problem is, CVG is a small market. US could upgrade its flights to 333 but it won't stimulate traffic -- only launching a price war will. And CVG
44 LHCVG : I never said it was likely, I am merely making the point that resources are scarce and that when you de-hub, you aren't going to fight to the last do
45 TWA772LR : MIA is weird in the fact that every airline that has had a hub there, namely PA and AA, have made it their own and no one elses. UA tried to push in
46 Post contains images usairways787 : DFW
47 Post contains images TWA772LR : I smell a bloodbath coming.
48 FL787 : I disagree. PIT and STL aren't that much different from a de-hubbed CVG and both manage a UA flight to SFO.
49 tommy767 : I actually don't think NYC is anywhere near complete yet. I think in the coming years you will see more mainline out of LGA replacing smaller CRJs. Pe
50 usairways787 : Haha, indeed you do my friend. US787
51 yellowtail : Yes, it can be as much as 40% (in the DR for example), but remember out of that 40%....they have to give the retail travel agent something, the provi
52 brilondon : These two cities will see a continued decrease in DL activity. There are no real incentives to increase these ex-hubs.
53 bobnwa : Since I used to be involved with MLT vacations could you give the name of the sleazy tour operator and some of the details.
54 TWA772LR : Hence the left field expressions. Maybe if the economy returns to what it was in the 90s, it could happen. It makes me sad to see cities that are lar
55 DeltaMD90 : After buying AS and AA, DL will hub STL, MEM, CVG, and RDU, just in time to open their overseas hub at DXB to compete with EK. Why? Because they are m
56 brilondon : Yeah I get the emoticons, duh...They are obviously not large enough to sustain hubs because they would not be dehubbed if they could. It amazes me ho
57 GSPSPOT : While I am glad we still have it, why does GSP still have a CVG flight? I believe all CVG flights were cancelled at one point, but we got back one da
58 Alnicocunife : Delta will NOT create or add a new hub because they will be working on improving the Delta "Brand"! Everything is going into the Brand. The touch and
59 jetlanta : No one saying DL is bigger in NYC than CO. Certainly not me. But posting passenger boarding numbers from a time period before Delta's LGA expansion i
60 Post contains images OA412 : None of this is factually accurate. For someone who works in the industry, one would think you'd have a better grasp of these things.
61 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Who cares who is "bigger" in NYC? UA, DL, and even B6 can still have a successful, profitable operation. And that is what matters. DL could move into
62 CompensateMe : Use to be, just as MLT/NWA WorldVacations use to contract with Best Day Tours. Now they use "Trafictours," which operates under a multitude of names
63 Post contains images PHX787 : Exactly, but sometimes the more ops u got the more money flowing in
64 Post contains images CompensateMe : Brand? Like those gigantic signs popping up all over Atlanta saying "Atlanta's Home Town Airline?" I can see them in NYC now...
65 FlyASAGuy2005 : What are you talking about?????
66 Post contains images Deltal1011man : hm for some reason i thought it was dumped in the late(like 99) 90s. But ok, I hope your not using something from 2005, before BK and before the merg
67 kubus : I'm going to say PIT will see DL expansion. They are already replacing some flights with mainline, be it holiday season but still capacity will increa
68 avi8 : People tend to forget that DL has no aircraft on order to increase its fleet size. The 737-900ER's are all replacing 757's. There are currently no air
69 Post contains images Deltal1011man : not true. 1) the 739s can be flex planes as need. 2) the 717s will likely be capacity growth which could mean moving of other aircraft for growth. DL
70 tommy767 : CO doesn't exist anymore. filler filler.
71 slcdeltarumd11 : I think we will see Delta focusing on ATL, JFK/LGA, SLC, MSP, and DTW. The focus will be on maximizing profits at those cities. I do think there is pl
72 burnsie28 : EWR is not included in "New York" statistics anymore, unless your UA.
73 STT757 : DL themselves include EWR in their timetables with JFK and LGA.
74 bobnwa : Thanks for the excellent reply. Very enlightening
75 micstatic : huh? Of course it is.
76 NWAESC : I agree that there will certainly be more tweaking of LGA before all is said and done. Some places will see upgauges, some downgrades, and some servi
77 neveragain : Implicit in this question is the idea that DL needs to make more money to subsidize losses in CVG. Why would they do so? Because business leaders say
78 Bobloblaw : San Francisco not Los Angeles is the financial center for the west coast. Throw in silicon valley and SFO drives higher yields than LAX, especially f
79 neveragain : The statement being made by the original poster was "that there is little corporate traffic in that area compared to other cities up the coast," whic
80 NWAESC : Sarcasm duly noted...
81 hereandthere41 : What I find funny is that DL was happy to tout the fact that they were the largest airline until UA/CO came along. Then they changed their tune to sa
82 neveragain : It is indeed most certainly about O&D if one is talking about the dynamics of the NY/NJ market. Taken farther, it could be the profitability of e
83 panamair : Probably a helluva lot better than over at UA or at AA, given the financial and/or operational situations over there these days....
84 FlyASAGuy2005 : Well, they couldn't keep saying they were the biggest...duh :P BTW, they don't say "they don't NEED to bigger". That's like saying they're back track
85 Alitalia744 : Not sure if you know much about marketing or advertising for that matter, but you can't make claims that aren't legally supportable, so you change yo
86 rwy04lga : I am. 'Delta is bigger in New York CITY than CO or UA or CO/UA'. Actually, CO is nowhere and certainly not in N Y C. Because we fly there. Should we
87 STT757 : Sorry perhaps I need to further explain, DL does not, nor has ever, listed EWR separately. To find EWR flights in DL schedules you look under "New Yo
88 RyanairGuru : NYC = LGA, JFK, EWR. Fact. Source: IATA. You can discuss the ins and outs of the stateline all you like, but this is an aviation forum and in this in
89 CompensateMe : Since you're backpedaling off the context of my original comments, I will reiterate that I'm judging DL's future actions based upon what it has been
90 DeltaMD90 : What are you talking about? Why would DL say they're the biggest? Gee I don't know, marketing? Why do people on here argue about it? I have no idea,
91 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Don't worry about it. I don't...
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