Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16399 times:
SAS will from now on start charging for soda and juice in economy class on their longhaul. Apparently one will still get a free slump of soda for the main meal, but apart from that they will now start charging 20 NOK pr. can in economy class. Coffee, tea and water will still be free.
Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16163 times:
OK, to specify a little:
The new concept will be more efficient for the airline, and will involve a weight savings. But first and foremost it will be better for passengers, promises information manager Knut Morten Johansen of SAS to VG Nett.
He explains the concept of the economy as follows:
* Passengers will have three units with drinks at mealtimes on long routes, ie six units total.
* The units are twice as large, 0.33 liter instead of 0.15 liters.
* Passengers will also get free bottled water and free water refills. Also coffee and tea are free.
* Between meals the planes have a better selection of snacks for sale. Then, too soft cost savings, 20 million for a soft drink.
So very bad pr work from SAS pr department, as the whole Scandinavian media seem to have missunderstood the concept from the start. Sounds a bit better, but not much ...
g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 724 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16129 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): SAS will from now on start charging for soda and juice in economy class on their longhaul. Apparently one will still get a free slump of soda for the main meal, but apart from that they will now start charging 20 NOK pr. can in economy class. Coffee, tea and water will still be free.
what happened, did they go to the US Airways' seminar?
This is just sad.... and then we all wonder why Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are making a killing.
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15805 times:
What about alcohol? From what I recall, SAS allows one free alcoholic beverage at meal times. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to just do away with this policy, rather than eliminate free cocktails?
eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 956 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15666 times:
I think that this is an incredibly idiotic move. This is because the average person will not have this many drinks. By making people pay after 6 sodas they will nonetheless effect the average very little and it will save them next to nothing. But it get's terrible press that is not worth it.
Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15315 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 10): I find that number, 6 free cans per passenger, very surprising.
Yeah, I think there is a miscommunication somewhere, I don't get that comment either.
Hopefully the FA's will slow down some now when going around offering water instead of practically sprinting down aisles like they always seemed to do on my SAS flights (they seem to go at a more typical pace for their coffee/tea runs).
santos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15283 times:
I would much rather pay for a normal sized can of a fizzy drink(0,33) then ask for a drink and get a small sized can(0,15) which is ludicrous on a long haul flight, I know I can ask for more, but it's rather annoying asking sometimes!
Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15189 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16): Forget the crappy regular free economy meals and start a pre-booking service for upgraded meal product instead. (kinda like the KLM ala-carte concept).
I'm kind of surprised they don't already do something like that. It has been a while since I have flown them but I recall not even getting a choice of meals in economy (Economy Extra can choose between 2 options).
shufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 430 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15035 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 7): SAS allows one free alcoholic beverage at meal times.
On my last SAS long haul CPH-EWR, I asked for a beer on each drinks run and was never charged and this was in economy. I think I had 4 or 5 on the flight. This new move however, gets a thumbs down from me. I find travelling stressful enough. I don't want to have to worry about stocking up on drinks at the airport or having cash to buy on board. For the price they're charging, I expect everything included. Asking me to pay for drinks just makes their service seem cheap and tacky. They're lucky I've got no choice but to fly them.
aznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3541 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14857 times:
Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 5): You can buy drinks at the airport and bring them on US bound flights!
On my recent HKG-EWR, DME-IAH, and CDG-IAH flights I remember bags were checked either in the jetway or in the gate lounge and any bottle of water i had purchased inside the airport were disposed of in HKG and DME, while no drinks could be purchased at CDG 1 inside the satellites. At the A380 C gates at FRA, I also did not see any place to purchase drinks after security. I did wonder if there was additional security check after Passport Control at OSL for the small section of non-Schengen flights, especially for the few US-bound flights.
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AngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14726 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 10): I find that number, 6 free cans per passenger, very surprising.
The way I read it is only 3 cans each way on a return - but because they are normal cans they count as 2 units each.
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4): So very bad pr work from SAS pr department, as the whole Scandinavian media seem to have missunderstood the concept from the start. Sounds a bit better, but not much ...
Still sounds like crap: Ryanair service on a premium fare.
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4): The new concept will be more efficient for the airline, and will involve a weight savings. But first and foremost it will be better for passengers, promises information manager Knut Morten Johansen of SAS to VG Nett.
That is a new concept: we save weight because we serve less drinks, but it is better for the passengers!
SK was already terrible before and now they only get worse.
25 fun2fly: $3.50 is about the cost of soda (pop) in Europe so half the pax won't think it is outrageous. Overall, a bad move by SK in the end. Probably need to k
26 horstroad: I get 0.5l coke for 0,85€ (1.10$) at a vending machine here in germany...
27 jumpjets: In a cafe or bar that you haven't just paid out a few hundred euros/dollars you will most likely be willing to pay $3.50 for a 330ml can of coke etc.
28 troest: This is just sad to hear. SK is bleeding money. How long could SK stay aloft without the tax payers money?[Edited 2012-10-03 16:56:49][Edited 2012-10-
29 gothamspotter: I once paid 9.80€ for a Pepsi at a restaurant in Paris. Wine was only 5€!
30 danielkandi: Someone said, "lucky for them i'm forced to fly them"... are other hubs too far away for you ? LH, KL, TK ? On a serious note, i had the KLM premium m
31 Bobloblaw: I believe every airline wants to do this but is afraid to pull the trigger. I believe US experiment with coach passengers paying for business class me
32 IrishAyes: UA was the one that wanted to try this. The test market was initially intended to be TATL flights out of their IAD hub only. US was the airline that
33 nethkt: To put anything up for sale, after giving them with no charge for such a long time, is always stupid move for any industry. Cost saving? There are sti
34 LOWS: OS offers an upgraded meal for all EU and International services ex-VIE. It is very good, though not 15€ good.
35 laca773: This is a bad joke. Not even laughable. Weight savings my ass. They need to dump those inefficient A340s, and order the 787 and or 77Es or 76Ws until
36 AirlineCritic: I was going to say the same thing. With SK as well as other airlines, it is usually difficult to get any service - including more sodas - except duri
37 SKAirbus: SAS are officially Europe's worst "legacy airline" in my eyes... They keep getting worse and worse and the only thing they have to cling onto is their
38 shufflemoomin: It was me who said it. I have a disability that makes flying difficult. It's better for me to take a direct flight rather than change aircraft somewh
39 Pe@rson: I flew CPH-LHR a few weeks ago and they offered tea/coffee for no extra. OK, not significant, but better than those items being pay-for. It seems thi
40 troest: Unfortunately, SK is not attractive enough to any potential buyer in the EU. I hear one of the reasons LH pulled out was because of the extremely hig
41 fun2fly: Find a vending machine on an airplane then. Try comparing it to the price of a coke at FRA. I just paid 3 euros for one on Sept 13. I don't find this
42 sweair: I remember in the 80/90s when they charged for all drinks in economy. They still have the oldest FAs in the industry IMO, old tired ladies getting out
43 LY777: This is indeed a VERY bad move IMO. Unfortunately, other airlines will follow (a bit like the 3-4-3 seating on 777s).
44 EBGflyer: Let's just be clear that you will still be getting complimentary drinks (wine, beer and softdrinks) with the meals. In case there are 2 meals you will
45 tonystan: Thats a bit offensive dont you think. Do you only eat in restaurants with good looking waitresses or bank in banks with good looking staff???? Get re
46 shufflemoomin: I also don't think now is a good time to be introducing moves like this, especially with rumours that Norwegian are getting into the long haul game on
47 g2scandinavia: Maybe they are planning to icrease ancillary revenue by offering over priced camelback's from the trolley......
48 Aesma: Do you include Québec ? In France we say soda. But maybe not in Québec since it's an English word, they would use "boisson gazeuse" or something li
49 sweair: I am sorry you got offended. I just said the image I as a customer get of SK vs IB. The IB FAs were young and had warm smiles, they gave a good image
50 Heavierthanair: G'day Another airline to delete from the list of civilized airlines. Not many stars left in the Star Alliance Cheers Peter
51 Asturias: Agreed, it's an idiotic move; at least in the sense that it won't save much if any money and brings bad press and worse experience for pax. Whoa, it'
52 raffik: Is Soda/ Pop a sparkling soft drink like Coke, Lemonade etc? Or does it include fruit juices too? We don't use the word soda in the UK for that- every
53 superjeff: US terminology for carbonated soft drinks (i.e., Coca Cola, Pepsi, Ginger Ale, etc.) includes "Pop," "Soda," "coke (generic term)" etc.
54 danielkandi: Shufflemoonin ; im sorry to hear that you are forced because of the disabillity. It must be quite annoying. I would say to you though, that the servic
55 hohd: I dont understand what SK is doing. They are going to give 6 free drinks during the 2 meal service and also free alcohol, but will charge for drinks i
56 avek00: I thought European legacies were better than USA legacies in every way...
57 babybus: Just so I got it correct a soda is a fizzy drink. SAS charging for drinks and snacks is going to further complicate choosing an airline to travel with
58 greenwichsud: This is only the beginning..grab your popcorn! Interesting to see the European carriers fall into the same potholes that their American counterparts
59 danielkandi: avek00; they arent... Delta treats me fine when im flying on them
60 incitatus: Soda is an evil drink! The right policy should be pay for soda but wine is free.
61 ASA: I agree with the perspective ... but ... people will still misjudge them. if there is no economic benefit - why provoke the bad PR?
62 RyanairGuru: "Soda" is American English for "soft drink". Carbonated, sweetened drinks such as Coke, lemonade, Pepsi etc Juice is not "soda" - it's juice After my
63 kgaiflyer: A language thing. Soda is actually carbonated water. In parts of the US and Canada the term is applied to *everything* carbonated and bottled. And yo
64 AeroWesty: Except that if you order a 'lemonade' in the U.S., you'll get a drink that's non-carbonated water, lemon juice, and sugar. Lemonade to you is 7-UP, S
65 hrc773: This is ALWAYS my point when an airline starts nickel-and-diming. You can always choose another airline but when the other ones start doing the same
66 kgaiflyer: There is such a thing. Zamzam is a cola drink bottled in Tehran. Since it's bottled in Iran, it must, therefore, be evil.
67 vlad1971: US AIRWAYS never charged for the soda on International flights . It was a small attempt on US Domestic flights for a few months but after passengers
68 avek00: I know....I'm one of the longtime proponents of the USA legacies on a.net. For years, the "prevailing" a.net "wisdom" was that USA legacies sucked, d
69 Viscount724: "Liqueur" is also a common term for "soft drink" in Québec. "Breuvage" is another word used (I think) almost exclusively in Québec for drinks/bever
70 Windowseater: Sad turn of events at SK for them to start charging for drinks on long-haul flights - looks like the race to the bottom is moving across the pond with
71 RyanairGuru: Your right of course, I'd forgotten that one Incidentally, now we're on the subject of drinks: "spirits" is "liquor" As someone who has said less tha
72 Mortyman: Well it seems that you will still get free drinks to the meals, just not in between and unlimited ...
73 Windowseater: Well, I don't think the average budget-conscious traveller will be too bothered by this - someone above suggested just BYOB and bring on board. But t
74 rwy04lga: Soda Oh yeah!! Swedish meatballs on board.
75 danielkandi: Soda sure is more unhealthy than wine thats for sure! So would I drink less soda inflight if I knew I had to pay, probably. But since im already into
76 raffik: Lol, very good! Either I have completely mis read the article or people here don't understand that with your meal(s), you get free drinks; soft drink
77 EBGflyer: Not correct. In between the meals only tea, coffee and water is free. They will charge both for alcoholic drinks and softdrinks, but only outside the
78 ASA: which is actually a great way to put it ... and perfectly okay, imho! basically, FREE drinks (soda, alcohol, everything) during meal services. free c
79 troest: But are you still able to order alcoholic beverages in the mealservice? How many european airlines serve softdrinks on longhaul outside mealservice?
80 AngMoh: I though SK did not provide free alcohol even with meals. They did advertise wine (with meal only) as one of the perks for executive economy.
81 Polot: It has been awhile since I have flown them, but SK did offer free alcoholic drinks with meals. If you wanted alcohol outside of the meal you had to p
82 shufflemoomin: Well, as I already said, it wasn't like that when I flew CPH-EWR last year. On each meal and drinks round, I asked for a beer and was given with no c
83 sweair: I don't think anyone really cares about not getting 7 or 8 drinks for free anymore, its more the image it leaves of SK to the public, a bit cheap, a b
84 OEH68: No pre flight champagne in business class? Bad move SAS, very bad indeed.
85 AeroWesty: A few things at work here that makes soda appealing in flight. First is the unusually low humidity on planes most people aren't used to, making them
86 EBGflyer: Of course there is pre flight champagne. What makes you think there is not??? The new service charges (in between the meals) for softdrinks and alcoh
87 EBGflyer: Yes, Wine, beer, whatever is free with the meal. Not between the meal services.
88 ElPistolero: Looks like its turned into a PR SNAFU for SK. The weight savings argument is intersting. 500ml of water weighs the same as 500ml of pop/soda/soft drin
89 Polot: That is not true- but the differences in weight likely cancel out (500 mL of some sodas will weigh less than 500 mL of water while some sodas will we
90 sweair: SK should just let it pass and let go of this stupid idea, to fly old A343s and then save a few Kg on soft drinks is just absurd. Probably some Swedis
91 yugen: Hey there, I am probably not as experienced with various airlines as most of you, but I am fairly used to SAS as their direct flight from CPH-ORD has