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What Is The Deal With This 777?  
User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1185 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23711 times:

The title pretty much says it all. Was it a static test platform? What was the 777 they used to test the wingbox and wingload? It's sad to see my favorite plane in this shape.  Sad

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Also, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?
Sorry if this has been posted before.

[Edited 2012-10-03 13:24:50]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29694 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23666 times:
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Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

[Edited 2012-10-03 13:30:26]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18707 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23551 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.


User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23456 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.

The only thing I can think of is if they needed to make major modifications to the frame later and needed to do some more static testing, or otherwise development on a frame that doesn't need to be made flyable. But I can't say I'm knowledgeable on the subject. At all.


User currently offline96adrian From Norway, joined May 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23291 times:

Are there any 777-3 test frames or anyone scrapped or written off?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23209 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
lso, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?

It's definitely a 777-200, not a -300. Counted the windows between the 2nd and 3rd doors.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22353 times:

What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?


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User currently offlineks5114 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21658 times:

Thank you for asking! I am sure everyone looked at that photo and said, "HUH!?"

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21285 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

Tom.


User currently onlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 799 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20850 times:

I'd say the motto here is, "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20207 times:

Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19311 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 10):
Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

FX1816


User currently offlinebok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19226 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

looks like it's this one:


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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18507 times:

Am I the only one who hopes these static test frames will eventually make it across the road to the museum of flight? I'd find looking at these naked, worn out frames fascinating.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

M


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17097 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

Take it the photographer had the facts wrong as it's been quoted to be a B773...

EK413



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User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 93 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15924 times:

For those whom have or have not seen the IMAX film "Legends of Flight", it shows it's primary character/actor, Mike Carriker of Boeing, playing around those a/c with his dog. At one point they are in a 747 static, as well. Kind of neat to see it, especially in 3D, although the 2D DVD's lose a little something, it is still quite nice and a treat to see it.

Or...maybe I'm just biased having an uncle who worked with Carriker at Boeing.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2049 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14163 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):
Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12621 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

Tom.

Very interesting--thanks.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

M

Man, I thought the EXACT same thing! I also took a virtual tour of the flight line, identifying as many aircraft as I could.



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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12506 times:

For those of you who've taken the Boeing factory tour, you've seen the crossection of the 747 showing all 3 decks (upper, middle, lower cargo). That sample was taken from that JAL 747 from what I've heard. If you look at the JAL 747 carcass, you can see where the slice was taken out.

User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12464 times:

Is this the same B777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2012 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
Wonder what the back up plan is?

Great question.

I guess if the overpass collapsed, the alternate route would be head west through the parking lot. Hop on the highway and make your way to the North West Entrance of Paine. You would stage all your frames and make your move at night when you can shut down the freeway.

If such a situation would occur, I wouldn't think you'll need to move more than one frame a day.

bt



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2012 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12188 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):
I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

Had a chance to walk through that yard once. As I recall, some of the mock-ups are for wire routing. Before the use of CAD/CAM on the 777, they had to create these mock-up to pre-route wiring to get the lengths correct.

bt



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User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11464 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 17):
IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.

Which makes a lot of sense, given it is a sister-ship to JA8119 that broke up in mid-flight (although this was due to a faulty repair)



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25 tdscanuck : In addition to all of the above, they might have picked that up back when the 747 was having crown cracking issues, but I'm not sure about that. That
26 Stitch : The Future of Flight Museum used to have a test frame next to it - I think it was a 767.
27 tomcat : One more question about this: which taxi way is followed by the test aircrafts from the 40.2x assembly lines to the test area? Between all the buildi
28 777ord : Although off topic, your statement sounds so very familiar to a flight attendant I had on a DEN-ORD A320 flight a month ago while commuting back to w
29 tdscanuck : I think the only way it can be done is to come out the south side of the 40.2x buildings (final assembly), go west around 40-51, then along the west
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