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What Is The Deal With This 777?  
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1672 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23887 times:

The title pretty much says it all. Was it a static test platform? What was the 777 they used to test the wingbox and wingload? It's sad to see my favorite plane in this shape.  Sad

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Also, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?
Sorry if this has been posted before.

[Edited 2012-10-03 13:24:50]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30379 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23842 times:
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Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

[Edited 2012-10-03 13:30:26]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19271 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23727 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

There is a collection of them in the northwest corner of PAE (Building 40-40), just to the right of the 787 static test structure.

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23632 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

Why don't they scrap them? they can't be of any further use.

The only thing I can think of is if they needed to make major modifications to the frame later and needed to do some more static testing, or otherwise development on a frame that doesn't need to be made flyable. But I can't say I'm knowledgeable on the subject. At all.


User currently online96adrian From Norway, joined May 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23467 times:

Are there any 777-3 test frames or anyone scrapped or written off?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24622 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23385 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
lso, the caption says "777-3..." However, there is no exit door over the wings, so is this a 772? Or just a weird 773?

It's definitely a 777-200, not a -300. Counted the windows between the 2nd and 3rd doors.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 22529 times:

What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?


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User currently offlineks5114 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21834 times:

Thank you for asking! I am sure everyone looked at that photo and said, "HUH!?"

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21461 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
What is the story with the rest of the stuff in the back? Same thing?

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

Tom.


User currently onlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 825 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21026 times:

I'd say the motto here is, "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20383 times:

Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19487 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 10):
Tom,

What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

FX1816


User currently offlinebok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19402 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):

Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

looks like it's this one:


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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18683 times:

Am I the only one who hopes these static test frames will eventually make it across the road to the museum of flight? I'd find looking at these naked, worn out frames fascinating.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18557 times:

INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

M


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17273 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Yes, that is one of the static test frames and it was a 777-200.

Take it the photographer had the facts wrong as it's been quoted to be a B773...

EK413



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User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 95 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16100 times:

For those whom have or have not seen the IMAX film "Legends of Flight", it shows it's primary character/actor, Mike Carriker of Boeing, playing around those a/c with his dog. At one point they are in a 747 static, as well. Kind of neat to see it, especially in 3D, although the 2D DVD's lose a little something, it is still quite nice and a treat to see it.

Or...maybe I'm just biased having an uncle who worked with Carriker at Boeing.

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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14339 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 11):
Looking closely it appears to be an early 747 in the old colors of JAL. The cheatline with the 2 colors seems to match up with their old color scheme.

IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):

Mostly. It's all leftovers from various uses in the past...lots of static and fatigue test articles, I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

Tom.

Very interesting--thanks.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12718 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
INice find, I haven't seen that one before.

In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

M

Man, I thought the EXACT same thing! I also took a virtual tour of the flight line, identifying as many aircraft as I could.



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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12682 times:

For those of you who've taken the Boeing factory tour, you've seen the crossection of the 747 showing all 3 decks (upper, middle, lower cargo). That sample was taken from that JAL 747 from what I've heard. If you look at the JAL 747 carcass, you can see where the slice was taken out.

User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12640 times:

Is this the same B777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
Wonder what the back up plan is?

Great question.

I guess if the overpass collapsed, the alternate route would be head west through the parking lot. Hop on the highway and make your way to the North West Entrance of Paine. You would stage all your frames and make your move at night when you can shut down the freeway.

If such a situation would occur, I wouldn't think you'll need to move more than one frame a day.

bt



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):
I think some production prototypes, probably some paint mockups.

Had a chance to walk through that yard once. As I recall, some of the mock-ups are for wire routing. Before the use of CAD/CAM on the 777, they had to create these mock-up to pre-route wiring to get the lengths correct.

bt



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User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 17):
IIRC it is an old 747 they bought from JAL to see if the condition of real world 747s were matching what was expected based on the static test frame.

Which makes a lot of sense, given it is a sister-ship to JA8119 that broke up in mid-flight (although this was due to a faulty repair)



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 10):
What's the mock-up in what appears to be Retro UAL next to the 772?

In addition to all of the above, they might have picked that up back when the 747 was having crown cracking issues, but I'm not sure about that.

Quoting garpd (Reply 13):
Am I the only one who hopes these static test frames will eventually make it across the road to the museum of flight?

That would be the Future Of Flight. Museum Of Flight is about 50 miles away at Boeing Field. Unfortunately, as currently setup, Future Of Flight has a lot less outdoor space. However, if they ever clear out Kilo North (aka "the 787 holding pen") maybe they could use that.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 14):
In looking at the google link, I find it interesting that there is only one bridge from the factory to Paine Field. I know of several bridge collapses that could shut the crossing down for months. Wonder what the back up plan is?

Put in a new bridge. Seriously, I can't imagine anything mobilizing the local civil engineers more quickly except maybe an earthquake. With some welders, some big steel, and an open chequebook, that could be replaced with a temporary bridge pretty quickly.

That said, I bet that is one *very* well cared for bridge.

Tom.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30379 posts, RR: 84
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
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The Future of Flight Museum used to have a test frame next to it - I think it was a 767.

User currently offlinetomcat From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8):
You can see the whole menagerie pretty well on Google:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=everett,+wa&hl=en&ll=47.935203,-122.281131&spn=0.00221,0.00449&sll=42.036922,-71.683501&sspn=2.508983,4.597778&t=h&hnear=Everett,+Snohomish,+Washington&z=18

The "boneyard" is the white stuff on the right. The big blue lattice is the 787 fatigue test frame.

One more question about this: which taxi way is followed by the test aircrafts from the 40.2x assembly lines to the test area? Between all the buildings, the fences, the rail tracks, I've never figured out a practical way to bring an airplane there.


User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 487 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 9):
I'd say the motto here is, "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"

Although off topic, your statement sounds so very familiar to a flight attendant I had on a DEN-ORD A320 flight a month ago while commuting back to work. He made sure EVERYONE paid attention to the safety briefing. Also had a very sarcastically funny sense of humor.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Quoting tomcat (Reply 27):
One more question about this: which taxi way is followed by the test aircrafts from the 40.2x assembly lines to the test area? Between all the buildings, the fences, the rail tracks, I've never figured out a practical way to bring an airplane there.

I think the only way it can be done is to come out the south side of the 40.2x buildings (final assembly), go west around 40-51, then along the west edge of the property. This would require clearing the parking lot, covering the train tracks, and moving a lot of stuff. However, given how rarely it happens, I can't see that's such a big deal.

Tom.


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