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Why Will Northwest Drop Domestic Widebody Service  
User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Why will northwest drop domestic widebody service in the future. I do not want to be stuck in an A320 on a four hour flight without IFE (something that DC-10s had) nor a five hour flight to hawaii on a 757-300!

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User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Probably, they're doing that, because they want to add more frequency. They prefer to fly a route four times a day instead of one time with a large jet.

A nice idea, but does that have future in today's times of overcrowded airports and airways?

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

NW isn't planning on using the 753s to HNL. They are keeping 12 DC10-30s for higher density flights and the HNL routes. Please, lets put this nail into this exhausted discussion of widebodies vs. narrowbodys. Remember airlines are a business... they're going to do what they can to make $$$$


AZJ


User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Thanks Azjubilee for clearing up that NWA is not planning to use 757-300s to HNL

User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

They 757-300 has a lower cost to operate, will have IFE and rumored 34" pitch.

I'd rather have that than a DC-10 held together with bubble gum, band-aids and spit, with a 31" pitch, stuck in the middle of 5 seats, paying more because it's a fuel hog.

I think this isn't going to be as bad as most people think...



Climbing
User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

What is with Widebodies?????? Why Why Why.

You have a bigger chance of getting stuck in the middle seat (I mean middle when you talk 2x5x2. Boarding takes longer, deplaning takes longer, the lavs are always used, and the service takes longer when you have 300 people. And the comfort is gone sometimes also. And baggage claim takes longer. I agree NWA has a problem with the lack of IFE, but the A320 is so much better than being stuck in J5 on their DC-10. A CRJ is even better!

Just my two cents


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Do we know "for sure" that NW will not use their A330s on some domestic services?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

In about a zillion press releases and its never ending and sometimes exhaustive discussions here, it has been said, that the 330 is a replacement for the DC10 ATLANTIC fleet. It doesn't fit the bill for efficient domestic operations. Though I would imagine that the 330 will be used on some domestic flights FOR PROVING RUNS ONLY, much like the 744 was when it was first delivered to NW.


AZJ


User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

I can almost assure you that the A330's WILL be used on some routes within the states. These routes may be DTW-MSP or something along those lines. The aircraft are rotated into maintenance, and, how much better can you do it to carry some people on your way. I still beoieve NW uses a 744 on the DTW-MSP route.



User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

I haven't seen a NW 744 in MSP for quite some time. Although the A330's may be used for Atlantic runs, I see no reason why these wont be deployed on HNL routes- why keep the fleet of gas-guzzling/high maintenance DC10's?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

People, NW has already announced that the 330s will be used for the Atlantic operations. Why continue to speculate!? DTW and MSP are both maintenance places so there may not be any need to rotate planes through the hubs domestically. They do not operate the 744 between MSP and DTW and haven't for a long time. Only the newest DC10-30s will be kept. With the current order of 330s they can't replace ALL the DC10s. Remember, this is all according to NW, so it is fact and not my opinion.


AZJ


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Azjubilee-

People like to speculate on here because it is fun. This thread has been very good so far. You keep saying you want to put a nail to this thread, yet you are the one that has posted on this thread more than anyone else. That isn't exactly putting a nail to the thread, is it? This NW debate over their future fleet plan is the most interesting topic of discussion out there. They are the ONLY U.S. major that continues to be ambiguous about where things are going w/ the fleet and we haven't seen any deliveries yet, so this makes for some fun banter over what is next for NW.

PEOPLE-keep the posts about what YOU think NW is going to do w/ the fleet, what you think of the 753, and what you think of NW using these new birds on the domestic route network!


User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

I dislike the 753s for one main reaon they will take forever to board and exit at the gate.

I really think Northwest should have ordered 767-300s or 767-400s as a DC-10-40 replacement. Better yet the B777-200 (ala United) that would be the ultimate in comfort and IFE!


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Co lite, you wrote:
"What is with Widebodies?????? Why Why Why. Boarding takes longer, deplaning takes longer, the lavs are always used, and the service takes longer when you have 300 people."
In a widebody you won´t get stuck in a claustrophobic single aisle. I hate long trips in a narrowbody and I hate long narrowbodies. Widebodies give you the feeling of more room, you have more height and the bigger the plane the more stable it flies. The worst longdistance fleight ever I had on a 757. You´ll for sure have to wait longer standing in the aisle of a 753 than in a DC-10.
And a A321 is worse than a A310.
The main issue behind NWs choice of the -comparatively - uncomfortable B753 over the A330/B767 is money. The second reason is money, and the third reason is money.
Maybe passenger complaints might change their mind.


User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

I would pay up to $30 more to fly on a A330 than a 753 on a long domestic flight! The comfort is worth the room

User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

On flights over 3 hours, a widebody would do. I'd book ahead of time, and get a seat near the front.

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Won't the 753's have considerably more economy class seat pitch?

User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Ive heard rumors of a 34-36 in pitch!!

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Not a wise choice for NW. This means that the airport will be grid-locked when they use narrow-body with more frequencies.

UA has decided that on their major trunk routes, they're using bigger plane with slightly less frequencies.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

I have heard that once NW builds up ETOPS flying time on the A330-300, one idea being bandied about is to phase out the DC-10-30 completely and replace them on a one-by-one basis with more A333's. After all, the A333 does have to range to fly SEA-HNL non-stop.

This means NW could have as many as 35-40 A333's in their fleet by 2010.


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