Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3079 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 32773 times:
From the previous thread:
Quote: now D-ABYD to join the fleet. ...and from 13th September add BLR to that list.
wilco737
I'm due to fly BLR-FRA on the 748 next weekend, and was checking the fraport website, it seems like the FRA-BLR is being operated by the same frame D-ABYD both yesterday and today. I was not able to find information from further back - but does LH rotate it's 748s over the 3 destinations, or do they have the same frame do the same destination all week long?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 32766 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 1): I was not able to find information from further back - but does LH rotate it's 748s over the 3 destinations, or do they have the same frame do the same destination all week long?
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2347 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31863 times:
I apologize, I haven't been following this thread too closely, but... have all of the 748s requiring change incorporation been delivered? Are there more 748s in storage?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31930 times:
Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (Oct-05-2012)
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Updates from previous listing (Sept-08) :
- Firing order : RC525 and RC548 have exchanged their positions.
- Now RC525 will be produced at L/N 1479 and RC548 at L/N 1481, L/N 1487 added.
- Delivered : L/N1461-RC506, L/N 1462-RC579.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1465-RC507.
- Several new scheduled delivery dates, corrections and additional background info.
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L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test reg. N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012, now with test registration N5020K, Acceptance/Delivery date : TBD.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA colours), stored at KPAE flight line (slow refurbishment in progress??)
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight date : TBD
@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, stored : Tower Apron KPAE.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, stored : Tower Apron KPAE, Delivery in 2013 ?
L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, registration 9K-GAA, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. During refurbishment at KPAE all engines were removed for several weeks and again installed, re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance /Delivery : October 30-2012.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, stored at KPAE, with engines removed, awaiting refurbishment to delivery standard. Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed till Sept 30-2013?
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full Cargolux livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Tower Apron KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, KPAE flight line, Delivery in 2013 ?
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May 24, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, will be stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Cabin outfitting will be completed by Jet Aviation in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post delivery maintenance performed at Lufthansa Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011.
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Stored at San Bernadino . Will be ferried to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin. Thereafter , by the the year-end, the aircraft will be flown to Hamburg for cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik.
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, PDM by LH technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-28-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date October-23-2012.
@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.
@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, (unknown)BBJ customer , named : 521 in Boeing documents, test registration N455BJ, white livery, KPAE flight line, F/F expected in first week of October, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : October 31-2012.
@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.
@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.
@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, KPAE flight line, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GT9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012.
L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, expected delivery : TBD
L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay 10, future registration B-LJJ, roll-out date Sept. 5, KPAE flight line, Acceptance/Delivery date : October 24-1012.
L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, registration LX-VCG, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : November 15-2012.
At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
L/N 1466 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC007 , slant position #1, scheduled FAL roll-out and roll into the 40-23 (next door) on October 7. On October 9 it’s scheduled to roll out to the flight line.
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, slant position #2.
L/N 1468 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC008, body join position
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, wing join position.
Airframes (18), scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11
L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, Atlas Air #12
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-8FTF***, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 (CGC )
L/N 1484 - 747-8FTF***, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 (CGC)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-8FTF***, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 (CGC)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, registration JA17KZ
? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***=Boeing internal airline code CGC = Air China Cargo . However no “not identified “ customer is added to the Boeing order list. Aircraft are probably leased from a still unknown lessor (GECAS, DAE ??) seen the fact that a direct order (or a changed order from the 747-8I to -8F) must have been reported to the HK stock exchange. The Boeing customer code could be -FT (Air China Cargo) or the customer code of the lessor.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 31729 times:
What's the deal with line numbers 1433 (RC553 in 747classic's list) and 1438 (RC554) for Cathay Pacific? They've already taken delivery of two earlier frames by line number and several later examples as well. I would imagine that they weren't delivered out of the box for the same reason that the three Atlas NTUs haven't been (apparently,) that they don't perform as well as later builds, but plenty of "early" frames are now delivered and in service. Is it just a case of Boeing prioritizing other refurbishments and deliveries over these?
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 31574 times:
We are quickly approaching the 50% mark on 747-8 production. Hopefully we will see some more orders or even just firming of previously announced orders by years end.
I know we are supposed to be somewhere around 1.5-2 frames a month, but at what frequency are position changes occurring?
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 31414 times:
Quoting juanchito (Reply 16): On this photo there is a livery of a 747-8I that I don't know from what airline is it
In the picture the aircraft is left from a white 747-8I.
Quoting kanban (Reply 17): I think you're looking at the Kuwaiti Government plane
Correct. Not only is it the Government of Kuwait's BBJ, but it's also RC001 - the first Intercontinental produced.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 30934 times:
N458BJ (HZ-HMS1) B747-8JA BBJ Prince Sultan Bin Abdulaziz has been flown from San Bernadino, CA (KSBD) to Lackland AFB, TX. (KSKF).
It is understood the owner has died a year ago (October 22-2011) and the future of the aircraft is uncertain.
" Speculation Mode On " :
Will the aircraft be transferred to the only remaining 747-8/BBJ customer #9 or could this be the opportunity for the USAF to obtain a relative cheap " green " airframe ?
" Speculation Mode Off ".
Aircraft data : L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Stored at San Bernadino. Ferried to Lackland AFB, TX at October 06-2012.
Original the schedule was : A positioning flight to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin. Thereafter , by the the year-end, the aircraft would have been flown to Hamburg for cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 30563 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 21): N458BJ (HZ-HMS1) B747-8JA BBJ Prince Sultan Bin Abdulaziz has been flown from San Bernadino, CA (KSBD) to Lackland AFB, TX. (KSKF).
Here are some photos of N458BJ landing at Lackland AFB and parking at the San Antonio Boeing facility.
D-ABYF is expected to be delivered to Lufthansa at October 23 . It will be the 4th 747-830 delivered to Lufthansa.
The delivery date of the first assembled 747-830, the second 747-8I test aircraft (RC021/D-ABYE) , original scheduled also to be delivered in 2012, has been slipped to 2013.
AFAIK the aircraft is still painted in Atlas Air livery .
Latest available picture at date October 6 in Honkong (Chep Lak Kok)
Original uploaded by flyboy104, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/54865173@N07/8060862035/
I doubt that it will be repainted, until the first HMV( or if a new longterm lease contract emerges for a demanding external customer, requiring a new livery)
Here is the following info about the Atlas Air ownership construction :
Polar and Atlas Air, along with Titan Aircraft Leasing, are all owned and controlled by AAWW (Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings). DHL owns 49% of Polar.
Polar is just an operating certificate with certain routes. Polar has a DO and a Chief Pilot and planes that are painted in Polar colours...that is all.
The CEO/COO/VP Flight Ops/DO/Check Airman/Captains/FIrst Officers that operate the Polar and Atlas airplanes are all Atlas employees. All of the pilots that were formerly Polar or Atlas pilots are all on one seniority list and are all now Atlas pilots.
The first two -8Fs that are operated by Atlas crews are painted in Panalpina colours (Atlas already has three -8Fs that are flown by GSS (Atlas owns 49% of them and BA 51%).
Any future aircraft will be ordered by AAWW and allocated to whichever company (Polar, Atlas, GSS, Titan) that AAWW wants them to go to.
Ronaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 28, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 30303 times:
Still think about the first three Atlas-NTU's, despite performance issues they could easily do their jobs as packages freighters for Polar/DHL as mtow limitations should not be the factor on that operations. I just hope the aircraft get their new home as soon as possible.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 29, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 30194 times:
Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 28): I just hope the aircraft get their new home as soon as possible.
I hope so too, but as of today the firing order still shows LN 1429, 1432, and 1437 in limbo (assigned to Atlas, but we know they are not going there). 1429 is parked west of the paint hangars (in stall 120), and the other two are parked on the control tower ramp.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 30, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 29987 times:
The next 747-8I/BBJ with L/N 1466 emerged at the flight line from building 40-23. The still unpainted aircraft was rolled-out from the FAL at October 07 and is seen here behind a LOT 787.
earlyNFF From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 29515 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 25): The delivery date of the first assembled 747-830, the second 747-8I test aircraft (RC021/D-ABYE) , original scheduled also to be delivered in 2012, has been slipped to 2013.
according to this website: lh-taufnamen.de postponed until 2015. (would like to know a source!)
4
D-ABYE
B747-830
1435
2015
Boeing-Testflugzeug, Auslieferung auf 2015 verschoben
Full aircraft data : L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to ------delivery standard.
Aircraft data : L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, (unknown)BBJ customer , named : 521 in Boeing documents, test registration N455BJ, white livery, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : October 31-2012.
Aircraft data : L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay 10, future registration B-LJJ, full livery, KPAE flight line, roll-out date Sept. 5, Acceptance/Delivery date : October 24-1012 ??
Aircraft data : L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : November 15-2012.
Aircraft data : L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay 10, future registration B-LJJ, full livery, roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : October 24-2012 ??
Matt Cawby's KPAE blog showed also a picture of Cargolux RC507/LX-VCG, stiill unpainted, returning from the B1 flight :
Aircraft data : L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, (unknown)BBJ customer , named : 521 in Boeing documents, test registration N455BJ, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : October 31-2012.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 39, posted (7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26992 times:
RC001/9K-GAA performed the first test flight after refurbishment (to delivery standard from the test aircraft configuration) at October 21 from Paine Field. Call sign was BOE001.
seahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 40, posted (7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27022 times:
I have been up in Anchorage the last couple of days, it is 747-8F heaven up there right now! Daily arrivals from CX and KE. Cargolux every other day and apparently Atlas keeps poping up in there.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2846 posts, RR: 10 Reply 47, posted (7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26085 times:
What's this guy doing? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE522
Edit: Oops! Now I see the answer has already been posted. It'll fly right over me in about a half hour!
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 49, posted (7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 25821 times:
RC501 / N747EX / LX-VCA, the first assembled 747-8F, has been flown from Paine Field towards Portland (KPDX) to be painted from the Boeing "light" livery into the Cargolux livery, see :
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 51, posted (7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 25488 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 49): RC501 / N747EX / LX-VCA, the first assembled 747-8F, has been flown from Paine Field towards Portland (KPDX) to be painted from the Boeing "light" livery into the Cargolux livery
RC501 will be at KPDX for about 3 weeks for stripping and repainting. Then it's back to KPAE sometime around 9 November for refurb.
RC560's delivery has been slid a day. Handover to Cathay Pacific should be on 26 October.
RC001 and RC006 should also be delivered before the end of the month.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 52, posted (7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 25419 times:
How much more refurb will RC501 need after coming back from PDX? I had assumed that all the refurb work would have been done in San Antonio and that it would be ready for delivery after being painted.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 53, posted (7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 25225 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 52): How much more refurb will RC501 need after coming back from PDX? I had assumed that all the refurb work would have been done in San Antonio and that it would be ready for delivery after being painted.
There are some engine fixes that need to be incorporated, and a few structural issues the customer wants Boeing to look into. Nothing major.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 25213 times:
Hey folks, the 747-8i thread currently active elsewhere in Civ-Av briefly went on a tangent about unsold 747s and I posted this:
Quote: The two last build 747-400ERFs were white tails but one has now been placed with Kalitta Air in the United States; the other remains stored AFAIK. Then there are the three Atlas Air early-build underperforming 747-8Fs. But as far as I know those are all the unsold "white tail" 747s Boeing has right now (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) There may be some others off-lease from a previous operator but that's not really the same thing I don't think.
After that the tangent ended. So I just want to make sure if I have my facts right and this thread seems as if it would know. Thanks!
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 55, posted (7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25181 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 53): How much more refurb will RC501 need after coming back from PDX? I had assumed that all the refurb work would have been done in San Antonio and that it would be ready for delivery after being painted.
There are some engine fixes that need to be incorporated, and a few structural issues the customer wants Boeing to look into. Nothing major
Are all presently delivered, but early produced airframes also capable to operate at the higher structural weights, that are standard in all aircraft delivered after April 2012 ?
AFAIK LX-VCE is one of the first aircraft delivered from Boeing with the improved operational weights (increase in the maximum takeoff weight by 6 tonnes to 448 tonnes.)
Are these " structural issues " perhaps part of a structural modification for operation at higher weights on the early produced airframes ?
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 56, posted (7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 25167 times:
Are you talking about LN1416 (RL571) and 1419 (RL572 the last -400) which were originally headed for LoadAir Cargo of Kuwait? According to this article they were delivered so they wouldn't be classified as white tails any more but I don't believe they were ever put into service with LoadAir.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 25088 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 56): Are you talking about LN1416 (RL571) and 1419 (RL572 the last -400) which were originally headed for LoadAir Cargo of Kuwait?
Yep, those. Don't think they ever entered service with the original intended operator, I do know that l/n 1419 is now N782CK with Kalitta.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 59, posted (7 months 2 days ago) and read 24914 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58): There is a nice picture of RC571 in the database which clearly shows Boeing is busy with refurbishing the bird:
Did you look at the date of this photo ? Aug 26???
This very slow outdoor refurbishment of RC571 was discussed in thread #9 (reply 121 and further) and since then not much progress has been observed, with the bad weather time approaching in the Seattle area.
See Matt Cawby's latest flight-line picture of October 24 : http://paineairport.com/images/fl102412.jpg
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 60, posted (7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 24777 times:
When observing the picture of RC006 below in detail, you also can see the latest arrival from the FAL.
Just behind the tail of the RH Qatar 787 an unpainted 747-8F with dark blue rudders is (barely) visible.
This must be :
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, unpainted with dark blue rudders.
RC006 is believed, according some rumours (not confirmed yet), to be delivered to the Bahrain Government.
Full aircraft details :
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : Bahrain Government ??, test registration N455BJ, registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : October 31-2012.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 61, posted (7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 24735 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 60):
RC006 is believed, according some rumours (not confirmed yet), to be delivered to the Bahrain Government.
Full aircraft details :
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ
I know Boeing did away with customer codes, but they still have the lists available on the internet. It appears as though LQ has not been assigned, so one can only guess. Has Bahrain's government/kingdom taken any Boeing aircraft in the past?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 62, posted (7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24679 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61): I know Boeing did away with customer codes
This is only valid at the moment for the 787 series. All other Boeing aircraft that are delivered at the moment have still assigned Boeing customer codes (incl. the 747-8 series)
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61): Has Bahrain's government/kingdom taken any Boeing aircraft in the past?
Secondhand :
A9C-BA---------727-2M7adv--------original delivered to Hughes AirWest as N740RW
A9C-HHH------747SP-21------------original delivered to PanAm, purchased from Brunei Government
A9C-HAK------747SP-Z5------------ex. Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight
A9C-HMH------767-4SF(ER)-------first airframe for the cancelled USAF E-10A platform.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 63, posted (7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24511 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 59): This very slow outdoor refurbishment of RC571 was discussed in thread #9 (reply 121 and further) and since then not much progress has been observed, with the bad weather time approaching in the Seattle area.
There is still no buyer for the aircraft, so the refurb effort has slipped to low priority.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 64, posted (7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24487 times:
LN 1464 (RC560) for Cathay Pacific is scheduled to be delivered this morning and flown away in the afternoon. A flight plan has been filed: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3335
Here's what I see- if that aircraft is only rumored to be delivered to the Bahrain government, and it's not -8P8, we can say it's probably not going to the government itself....but either way we can probably say it's going somewhere or to someone who has a looooot of oil to sell to the USA When it's delivered on the 31st, will we know who its customer is going to be? Are they going to announce that?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 68, posted (7 months 11 hours ago) and read 24065 times:
The last produced Cathay 747-8 freighter from the 10 aircraft order was delivered and flown to Hongkong at October 26-2012. This was delivery #8 to Cathay and the 32th delivered 747-8 aircraft
NCA was one of the launching customers with a total order of 14 aircraft, placed in 2005(8) and 2007(6) . But at that time the sky was still the limit in the Cargo business.
The economic stand-still in Japan and later the world-wide recession(s), put a heavy burden on NCA, despite the collapse of JAL (Cargo), so extra NCA line number positions were not assigned, after the first three NCA (test )aircraft RC521,522 and 523 were assembled.
With RC522 departing for Victorville for short/long term storage ????????, I was wondering if the latest NCA 747-8F fleet introduction plans are available on the WW.web.
So, I did some research to reveal their (revised) plans. I found some updated (April-27-2012) info about the fleet planning in the published NCA Medium Term Business Plan on the NCA site, called " NCA Phoenix Rising ", see : http://www.nca.aero/e/profile/plan/documents/PRP_E.pdf
In this document the 747-8F introduction schedule for this year and the next two years are listed.
NCA Fleet Planning (April 27-2012)
Conclusion : a slow 747-8F introduction, two in 2012, three in 2013 and three in 2014.
The main drive is replacement of 744F aircraft, with only a modest fleet increase.
But how does this compare with the presently known 747-8 aircraft firing order (provisional and can be changed at any moment) . All estimated FAL roll-out date calculations are made with the existing assembly rate of 2/month.
- L/N 1431 - RC523 - JA13KZ - Delivery flight Aug 01-2012
- L/N 1422 - RC522 - JA12KZ - VCV storage or delivery 2012
- L/N 1469 - RC524 - JA14KZ - FAL roll out Nov 2012, Delivery 2012 or 2013
- L/N 1479 - RC525 - JA15KZ - FAL roll out July 2013, delivery 2013
- L/N 1485 - RC526 - JA16KZ - FAL roll out October 2013, delivery 2013
- L/N 1421 - RC521 - JA11KZ - will return in 2013 from Lackland AFB after refurb., storage or delivery 2013
- L/N 1487 - RC527 - JA17KZ - FAL roll out November 2013, delivery 2014?
Conclusion : the aircraft assembly rate will have to be reduced to 1.5/month or some changes to the firing-order (hopefully with additional freighter orders) will have to be made to keep the NCA 747-8 assembly in line with the current NCA 747-8F introduction planning.
Also possible is a temporally storage of the early frames RC521 and 522, until the cargo market recovers.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 71, posted (6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 23299 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 70): Conclusion : the aircraft assembly rate will have to be reduced to 1.5/month or some changes to the firing-order (hopefully with additional freighter orders) will have to be made to keep the NCA 747-8 assembly in line with the current NCA 747-8F introduction planning.
Nice analysis, Peter. Aboulafia should put you on his payroll.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 74, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23038 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 72): Boeing completed the ramp to two per month back in June, so I would not expect them to roll that back.
I am (sadly) not alone with my doubts about sustaining the rate at 2/month, if no new 747-8 orders emerge this or next year.
In a Flightglobal article about the 787 delivery slots, Ray Conner, president of Boeing Commercial Aircraft, is reviewing plans to ramp up to two 747-8 deliveries per month, and taking a less strident approach than his predecessor on speeding up delivery rates. "The cargo market has flattened," he said.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 75, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22784 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 74): "The cargo market has flattened," he said.
Sad but true. Demand for large freighters is down. However, Av Week reports today of an uptick in demand for 737 freighter conversions. It's all about the fuel.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 76, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22481 times:
At the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA) 2012 convention Boeing revealed that the first free assembly slot for a " green " 747-8/BBJ (or another 747-8 variant) is October 2013.
Lutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 698 posts, RR: 1 Reply 77, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 22429 times:
Wow. The fact they have a free slot only 12 months away is telling. Whats the lead time (i.e. is that an aircraft already in build) I seem to recall it is 9 months, so probably not
Quote:
- 747-8F line 1437 was moved from the tower apron to stall 120 this afternoon.
- Damn, wrong airplane. Back to the tower.
- Line 1432 was moved from the tower apron to stall 120.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 79, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21916 times:
RC006 spent a few extra days in a paint hangar (reason unknown), but now it appears she is ready to leave KPAE on her delivery flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N455BJ
After a short stop in Vancouver to clear customs (and pick up a few boxes of Rogers' chocolates--the best chocolate in British Columbia), it's off to KMCI to see the Oklahoma State/Kansas State game.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 82, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 21282 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 80): The aircraft is scheduled to operate via Vancouver (CYVR) for customs clearing and will proceed via Forth Worth Alliance (KAFW) towards Waco (KNCW).
In Waco,TX the VVIP cabin-interior will be installed by L3 Platform Integration.
Two (Feb 7 2011 and July 9 2012) VVIP 747-8 completion contracts are awarded by L3 platform Integration, see
A few years back it looked like L-3 was giving up on VIP interiors, they had delivered all their 737 BBJ contracts and the 777 they modified was done--nice to see them back.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 84, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21188 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 81): After a short stop in Vancouver to clear customs (and pick up a few boxes of Rogers' chocolates--the best chocolate in British Columbia), it's off to KMCI to see the Oklahoma State/Kansas State game.
Why do they need to fly to YVR for customs if they were built in the USA and coming back into the USA for cabin installation?
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 85, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21102 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 84): Why do they need to fly to YVR for customs if they were built in the USA and coming back into the USA for cabin installation?
It's nothing new. For years any foreign registered (?) Boeing airplane that was remaining in the states for modifications or some other reason post delivery have ferried to CYVR (Vancouver) or CYXX (Abottsford) then to their destination. It's a "tax" issue (?) of some sort relative to exports. Is there a lawyer out there?
mffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 908 posts, RR: 0 Reply 86, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 21019 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 85): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 84):
Why do they need to fly to YVR for customs if they were built in the USA and coming back into the USA for cabin installation?
It's nothing new. For years any foreign registered (?) Boeing airplane that was remaining in the states for modifications or some other reason post delivery have ferried to CYVR (Vancouver) or CYXX (Abottsford) then to their destination. It's a "tax" issue (?) of some sort relative to exports. Is there a lawyer out there?
Maybe I'm missing your meaning? But, US manufactured goods returning to the US do not have to pay any tax/duty... unless something has changed recently??
SSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 436 posts, RR: 0 Reply 87, posted (6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20627 times:
Quoting Lutfi (Reply 77): Wow. The fact they have a free slot only 12 months away is telling. Whats the lead time (i.e. is that an aircraft already in build) I seem to recall it is 9 months, so probably not
6 or 12, it would seem. I wonder what the difference is? Engine PiP?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 88, posted (6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20615 times:
Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (Nov-05-2012)
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Updates from previous listing (Oct-05) :
- Firing order : NIL (no additions or corrections)
- Delivered : L/N 1456-RC025, L/N 1464-RC560, L/N 1459-RC006, L/N 1434-RC001
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1466-RC007, L/N 1467-RC580
- Several new (scheduled )delivery dates, corrections and additional (BBJ) background info.
L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, scheduled return date KPAE around November 8, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : December 2012.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV). Expected return flight to KPAE 8/9 November.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA colours), KPAE –stall 119.
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight date : TBD
@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, low rate refurbishment, KPAE -stall 120.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013 ?
@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Acceptance /Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, low rate refurburbishment, KPAE flight line, with engines removed. Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed till Sept 30-2013?
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Tower Apron KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, low rate refurbishment, at KPAE - stall 118, Scheduled Delivery in April 2013 ?
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, starting by the end of 2012.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011.
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011.
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post delivery maintenance performed at Lufthansa Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, UT (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Sold/leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? VIP Cabin outfitting by Gore Design ? See : http://www.goredesign.com/
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, PDM by LH technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. In Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) at Lufthansa Technik (EDDF).
@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.
@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.
@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.
@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.
@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, KPAE flight line, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012
L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, expected delivery : TBD
@L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.
L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, KPAE flight line, F/F October 16-2012, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery date : November 15-2012.
L/N 1466 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC007 , FAL roll-out October 07-2012, white livery, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery date November 27-2012.
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, unpainted with blue rudders, KPAE flight line, expected delivery : end of November 2012.
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1468 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC008, slant position #1
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, slant position #2.
L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013, body join position.
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11, wing join position.
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Airframes (16), scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, Atlas Air #12
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37582, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-8FTF***, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 (CGC )
L/N 1484 - 747-8FTF***, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 (CGC)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-8FTF***, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 (CGC)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, registration JA17KZ, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
? = not confirmed
NTU = not taken up
TBD = to be decided.
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***=Boeing internal airline code CGC = Air China Cargo . However no “not identified “ customer is added to the Boeing order list. Aircraft are probably leased from a still unknown lessor (GECAS, DAE ??) seen the fact that a direct order (or a changed order from the 747-8I to -8F) must have been reported to the HK stock exchange. The Boeing customer code could be -FT (Air China Cargo) or the customer code of the lessor.
Any updates and/or corrections are highly appreciated,
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1826 posts, RR: 6 Reply 91, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20466 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 88): L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV). Expected return flight to KPAE 8/9 November.
catdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 269 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20480 times:
As 747classic reported, RC522 is on the move again. Currently enroute VCV-PAE.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 93, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20465 times:
RC522/JA12KZ was re-painted from the " light Boeing " livery into the NCA livery in Victorville, see Matt cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae5579.htm
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 95, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20435 times:
Quoting mffoda (Reply 86): Maybe I'm missing your meaning? But, US manufactured goods returning to the US do not have to pay any tax/duty... unless something has changed recently??
What you're talking about is something that leaves the US. They need to leave the US ie go to Canada and be "exported" to be allowed to continue to where the mod work is being done in the US.
Full aircraft data : L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery : end of November 2012.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 97, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20417 times:
The last produced (L/N1463 / VQ-BRH) and still unpainted Air Bridge Cargo (ABC) 747-8F on the KPAE flight line started the engines at last, see Matt cawby's KPAE Blog picture : http://paineairport.com/kpae5587.htm
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 98, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20391 times:
A7-HJA/RC005 was ferried from McConnell AFB (KIAB) towards Bale Mulhouse Airport (LFSB) at November 09, after the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation was completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas.
Further VIP cabin outfitting will be provided by completion centre AMAC, located at Basel.
L/N 1468, a still unknown 747-8/BBJ with tabulation number RC008, emerged at the Paine Field flight line, unpainted with white rudders. FAL roll-out happened at November 08-2012.
sabian404 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 25 posts, RR: 0 Reply 101, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20382 times:
501 is having some type of issues. They had the beacon on for a good 45 minutes and even started the engines. They shut it down and everyone walked back into the paint hangar.
sabian404 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 25 posts, RR: 0 Reply 103, posted (6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 20545 times:
As of an hour ago a crew was working on RC501's rudder/vertical stabilizer. Hopefully they'll fix it tonight and it'll be able to depart back to Paine tomorrow.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 105, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20528 times:
A interesting article about the 747-8 series has been revealed by Flight Global.
- An overview about the difference with the 744.
- flight testing history.
- The targets for end 2013 : Boeing will undertake a major flight-test programme in mid-2013 to clear the GEnx PIP (including a 4% thrust increase), FMC 3.0 update and the modifications needed to reactivate the tail fuel tank.
Also a weight saving program for an empty weight saving of 5000 lbs must be completed at the same time.
Ronaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 106, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20486 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 105): Boeing will undertake a major flight-test programme in mid-2013
Wonder if they're going to use RC021 (LH's future D-ABYE) for that. This might be the reason that the delivery is postponed (into Sept. 2013?). Also one of the Atlas NTU's are potential candidates.
petera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 324 posts, RR: 0 Reply 109, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20423 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 108): Aircraft data : L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, full livery?, KPAE flight line, F/F Nov-14-2012, expected delivery : TBD
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 113, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20414 times:
Quoting petera380 (Reply 111): That can't be a first flight?, seems to me going from Grant Co Intl to Moses Lake, WA Snohomish County. The wrong way for a first flight?
You must be looking at the return flight from Moses Lake. RC007 is indeed scheduled to make her first flight this afternoon (KPAE to KMWH). Then she returns to KPAE for the usual fixing of customer squawks and prep for delivery in just a few weeks.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 115, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20421 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 113): You must be looking at the return flight from Moses Lake. RC007 is indeed scheduled to make her first flight this afternoon (KPAE to KMWH). Then she returns to KPAE for the usual fixing of customer squawks and prep for delivery in just a few weeks.
Doesn't look like it made it today. It needs a customer flight before it can have cutomer squawks and the flight today was just the B-1.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 117, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20442 times:
D-ABYF, the fourth delivered LH 747-830 is active, after the completion of Post Delivery Maintenance at Lufthansa Technik . The aircraft also received her name : Sachsen -Anhalt.
First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) was completed at November 09-2012.
Below is a picture of D-ABYF taken at Frankfurt at November 12. The aircraft is prepared for the next flight to IAD (again as DLH418).
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 118, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20422 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 117): D-ABYF, the fourth delivered LH 747-830 is active, after the completion of Post Delivery Maintenance at Lufthansa Technik . The aircraft also received her name : Sachsen -Anhalt.
So all four 748Is so far carry the names of "new" German States.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 119, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20413 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 115): It needs a customer flight before it can have cutomer squawks and the flight today was just the B-1.
Oh, if only it were true that the customer would keep his eyes and hands off their airplanes until the C-1 flight. Actually, the customer inspects the airplane from the moment it begins assembly in Everett.
The schedule says "intermediate inspection" and "work squawks" between the B-1 and C-1 flights.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 121, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 20424 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 119): Oh, if only it were true that the customer would keep his eyes and hands off their airplanes until the C-1 flight. Actually, the customer inspects the airplane from the moment it begins assembly in Everett.
The schedule says "intermediate inspection" and "work squawks" between the B-1 and C-1 flights.
True the customers are all over the airplane from the day it enters the factory (some more so than others), but to keep the terminology straight, all the issues that the customer writes up through the entire process and while its on the ground between flights are called "customer pickups"--any major issues that occur after the airplane is released for flight (B-1, C-1 etc) are "flight squawks" or just "squawks" which is what the schedule is talking about.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 122, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 20432 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 121): any major issues that occur after the airplane is released for flight (B-1, C-1 etc) are "flight squawks" or just "squawks"
RC007 just landed at KPAE after her second flight. Let the repair of the flight squawks begin.
Aircraft data : L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Oman Royal Flight, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery date November 27-2012.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 126, posted (6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20181 times:
The 747-8 scheduled assembly order (firing line) has been been revised :
Air China Cargo airplanes changed to Cathay Pacific.
LN 1483, 747- 8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 is now 747-867F, RC561, Cathay #11
LN 1484, 747- 8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 is now 747-867F, RC562, Cathay #12
LN 1486, 747- 8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 is now 747-867F, RC563, Cathay #13.
These three Cathay airframes are not yet ordered. AFAIK the original order was for 10 aircraft only, presently 10 assembled, 8 delivered, with no further options and/or delivery slots.
Will Cathay lease these aircraft to Air China Cargo or, with two early built Cathay airframes (RC553 and RC 554) still not being delivered, will we see some early airframes leased to Air China Cargo and Cathay taking the newer ones ?
Did Cathay finally made the decision to purchase more new freighters i.s.o. holding on to the "old" strategy of (partly) operating with converted (747)freighters.
humanitarian From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 128, posted (6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19830 times:
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 87): @ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, UT (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Sold/leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? VIP Cabin outfitting by Gore Design ? See : http://www.goredesign.com/
I had not heard that Prince Alwaleed passed away so I did an Internet search and could not find any confirmation that he has died. If anyone can confirm that he has passed away please provide a confirmation here.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 129, posted (6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19841 times:
Quoting humanitarian (Reply 128): I had not heard that Prince Alwaleed passed away so I did an Internet search and could not find any confirmation that he has died.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 131, posted (6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19646 times:
Correct, the original owner was The Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, who passed away at October 22, 2011.
Sorry, I got a little mixed up with all these "look alike" names. Thanks for the correction.
Corrected data : L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Crown Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? VIP Cabin outfitting by Gore Design ? See : http://www.goredesign.com/
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 132, posted (6 months 15 hours ago) and read 19300 times:
Question about a 748 delivered to Polar Air Cargo- is this a/c in Atlas Air livery? I caught it landing as PAC946 ANC-CVG earlier today but, as I was standing underneath it as it flew over, I couldn't catch the livery, but I swear it looked like an Atlas jet. Can you guys clarify this for me?
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1955 posts, RR: 37 Reply 133, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 19254 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 132): Question about a 748 delivered to Polar Air Cargo- is this a/c in Atlas Air livery? I caught it landing as PAC946 ANC-CVG earlier today but, as I was standing underneath it as it flew over, I couldn't catch the livery, but I swear it looked like an Atlas jet. Can you guys clarify this for me?
Yes N852GT is in regular Atlas Air livery and on the Atlas Air operating certificate. The airplane is operated under contract with DHL and Atlas uses the Polar callsign for its DHL contract flights, regardless of paint scheme or what operating certificate the airframe is on. As I'm sure you know Atlas/Polar are owned by the same holding company (Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings) and they use the same pilots/mechanics/dispatchers, etc. The Polar certificate is kept alive due to certain route authorizations and other technical/contractual reasons.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 135, posted (6 months 6 hours ago) and read 19059 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 127):
Air China Cargo also has three 747-8 freighters in the firing order that they have yet to formally order, as well.
Not anymore. Those three airplanes were replaced by the Cathay Pacific airplanes (see post #126 in this thread). That's why the speculation that Air China Cargo may lease airplanes from Cathay Pacific.
Aircraft data : L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, Polar/DHL Express livery, F/F November 26 -2012, expected delivery : end of November 2012 (probably December ??)
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 708 posts, RR: 14 Reply 137, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18543 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 126): Air China Cargo airplanes changed to Cathay Pacific.
LN 1483, 747- 8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 is now 747-867F, RC561, Cathay #11
LN 1484, 747- 8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 is now 747-867F, RC562, Cathay #12
LN 1486, 747- 8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 is now 747-867F, RC563, Cathay #13.
Thread drift, is there a way to see where CXs 777Fs are in the system ie are they still for CX? Or is CX now consolidating with the -8F?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 138, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18432 times:
Quoting CCA (Reply 137): is there a way to see where CXs 777Fs are in the system ie are they still for CX? Or is CX now consolidating with the -8F?
What's the expected roll out for these airframes?
I have no info about the roll out and/ or delivery dates of the CX 777F aircraff.
747-8 roll out dates are a function of the actual assembly rate. With a sustained rate of 2/month, FAL roll-out of L.N 1483, 1484 and 1486 will be in the June-August 2013 time frame.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 139, posted (5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18044 times:
The next 747-8 freighter, L/N 1469 for NCA, emerged from the Final Assembly Line.
Part of the NCA livery is already visible at both rudders, see Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae5657.htm
This aircraft is the 50th assembled 747-8.
Aircraft data : L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 141, posted (5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17897 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 126): Air China Cargo airplanes changed to Cathay Pacific.
Thats indeed interesting. Some days ago I read that CX is very happy with the performance of the 748F. Lets hope this will lead to a 748I order soon. The freight division has the most capable plane worldwide, but the mainline cant really compete.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 144, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17244 times:
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 148, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16626 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 136): Aircraft data : L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, Polar/DHL Express livery, F/F November 26 -2012, expected delivery : end of November 2012 (probably December ??)
After a B-2 and B-3 yesterday and an aborted C-1 today it looks like they reflew (C-2/C-1 profile) this afternoon. If everything worked okay it should be ready to "ship".
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 149, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16568 times:
Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (December 01- 2012)
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Updates from previous listing (Nov -05) :
- Firing Order , Added : LN 1488-RC549
- Firing Order , Changed : Air China Cargo slots changed to Cathay Pacific.(lsd to Air China Cargo?)
- Accepted and Delivered : L/N1465-RC507
- L/N1466-RC007 and L/N1467-RC580 are scheduled to be accepted by their customers at Dec 2 and Dec 1.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N1468-RC008, L/N1469-RC524
- Serial numbers added until /incl. L/N 1482 (except the two BBJ’s, with L/N 1466 and 1468)
- RC008 : 747-8ZV (new Boeing customer number, customer not known)
- New (scheduled )delivery dates, corrections and additional background info added.
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50 Completed airframes , Delivered 35 (marked : @ ) , Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (26)
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L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Scheduled Acceptance/Delivery flight date : December 2012.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Acceptance delivery flight date : TBD.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours), KPAE –stall 110, refurbishment completed ?
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight date : TBD
@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, low rate refurbishment, KPAE -stall 120.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, low rate refurbishment, KPAE –stall 119, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013 ?
@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Acceptance /Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, low rate refurbishment, engines removed, KPAE Everett Modification Center, Could be used for additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP). Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed until end of September 2013 or according some rumours 2015 ?
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Tower Apron KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, low rate refurbishment, at KPAE - stall 118, Scheduled Delivery in April 2013 ?
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, starting by the end of 2012.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? VIP Cabin outfitting by Gore Design ? See : http://www.goredesign.com/
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.
@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.
@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Acceptance/Delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.
@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.
@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.
@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance date Sept-30-2012 /Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012
L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y, VQ-BRH, unpainted with white rudders, F/F Nov-14-2012, KPAE flight line, expected acceptance/delivery flight date : TBD
@L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.
@L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.
L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Acceptance date December 02-2012
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Scheduled Acceptance date December 01-2012
L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008, unknown BBJ customer, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE fight line, Roll-out November 08-2012.
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, Roll-out November 26-2012, KPAE flight line.
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31
2013, slant position #1.
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11, serial number 37566, N854GT, slant position #2.
L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013, body join position.
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, wing join position
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Firing order : 15 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #12, N855GT
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, registration LX-VCI
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655***, KAL #4
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561 (former RC631), serial number 43394?, Cathay Pacific #11, (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562 (former RC632), Cathay Pacific #12 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563 (former RC633), Cathay Pacific #13 (leased Air China Cargo?)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, registration JA17KZ, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656***, KAL #5
? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***= extrapolation.
I will try to publish the next updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).
What a year for deliveries, but with most of the BBJ orders apparently fulfilled, we may see a slower year next year.
Quoting 747classic (Reply 149): Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed until end of September 2013 or according some rumours 2015 ?
If this one is postponed for as long as it is, will it get a new registration?
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 152, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16350 times:
Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 151): Why should it? So the D-ABYE will join the fleet later.
My reasoning was that some airlines, if they're delaying the delivery of a particular airframe, simply assign the reg to the next-in-line aircraft, and so on. But I guess you have a point
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8484 posts, RR: 78 Reply 153, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16370 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 152): My reasoning was that some airlines, if they're delaying the delivery of a particular airframe, simply assign the reg to the next-in-line aircraft, and so on. But I guess you have a point
Maybe they rethink about it when it really comes in 2015. But the 744's weren't delivered as well in the correct order.
We'll see.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1826 posts, RR: 6 Reply 154, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16344 times:
Quote: What a year for deliveries, but with most of the BBJ orders apparently fulfilled, we may see a slower year next year.
We will see a lower delivery rate once all the early builds are gone.
Quote: L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Tower Apron KPAE.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 155, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16119 times:
"ABW" is the call sign indicator of AirBridgeCargo.
The most likely candidate is RC601/VQ-BGZ, one of the early produced airframes. RC604, the other ABC aircraft at the flightline is AFAIK still unpainted.
Aircraft data : L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Acceptance/ Delivery flight date : TBD
Quote: The most likely candidate is RC601/VQ-BGZ, one of the early produced airframes. RC604, the other ABC aircraft at the flightline is AFAIK still unpainted.
The mystery about this aircraft seems to be solved.
I got the following PM from a fellow 747-8 follower :
"It's not for the Qatar Amiri Flight - they don't use these colours any more.
The colour scheme shows it's 99% certain to be for the FORMER ruler of Qatar, Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad Al Thani*, who was deposed in 1995 by his son, and is the current operator of 747SP VP-BAT.
Having a different customer would also explain why it's a 747-8ZV, and not a 747-8KB, like A7-HHE and A7-HJA"
I can't find anywhere that Air China Cargo has ordered the -8F. (-8FTF) should these unannounced orders appear under Unidentified Customer(s) at the next update?
As far as I can see Air China has ordered 5 -8Is therefore should be -8J6I where are these in the firing line?
I can see Boeing not wanting to announce the Air China -8Is have been changed to Air China Cargo -8Fs.
Have the 5 -8J6Is have become 3 -8FTFs which have become -867Fs (CX)
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 165, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15189 times:
Quoting CCA (Reply 164): I can't find anywhere that Air China Cargo has ordered the -8F.
They didn't.
However, Boeing's internal production list did show three 747-8 Freighter production slots assigned to Air China Cargp.
Those slots are now evidently assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo. However. Cathay Pacific Cargo has not yet announced a top-up order (as these would be new frames and not part of their original order for 10).
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 167, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15147 times:
Quoting CCA (Reply 166): How did Air China Cargo get three frames initially assigned in the firing order without actually ordering the A/C?
I assume they have/had an MoU or LoI that assigned them slots, but they had to commit to them via a firm order by a certain date or they would be released and assigned to someone else.
AA, for example, has an MoU with Boeing for 787-9 production slots even though AA has yet to firm their order. Some 18 months before a slot's date, AA must either confirm they are taking that 787-9 (by placing a firm order) or they give it up and Boeing can assign it to another customer.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 169, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15136 times:
There is a thread on "Fragrant Harbour" dealing with Cathay getting unannounced 747-8Fs from Air China Cargo. It is also being reported that the part of the "swap" has CX transferring/selling all of their 777Fs to Air China Cargo in return for their 747-8Fs. Interesting that a current user of both the 777 and 747-8F is looking to acquire more of the 747. If this indeed true, it looks like my username is safe and the fleet is going to grow!
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 170, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 14931 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 163): RC604 is on its way to Portland for painting
RC604 / VQ-BRH clearing the runway at Portland (KPDX) and proceeding to the Paint Hangar (Dec-02-2012).
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CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 171, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14761 times:
Quoting CX747 (Reply 169): There is a thread on "Fragrant Harbour" dealing with Cathay getting unannounced 747-8Fs from Air China Cargo. It is also being reported that the part of the "swap" has CX transferring/selling all of their 777Fs to Air China Cargo in return for their 747-8Fs. Interesting that a current user of both the 777 and 747-8F is looking to acquire more of the 747. If this indeed true, it looks like my username is safe and the fleet is going to grow!
I had heard that CX want more passenger 777Fs and had converted the slots from freighters into passenger ones. I'm not sure whether thats true or whether they can even do that a year from the first 77F delivery.
Other internal documents still show the 777F order as being current with registrations assigned already.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 172, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14696 times:
What I read/gathered had Cathay leasing/selling all of their 777F slots to Air China Cargo and in return, receiving 747-8Fs. To a certain extent it makes sense. The cargo market is down and if the rumors are true, Cathay reduces the number of NEW freighters inboud for its fleet and is able to keep the cargo side of the house strictly 747.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 173, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14659 times:
Good article in Av Daily today about the struggling 747 market, particularly the 747-8F.
Excerpts:
In January, Boeing was hopeful that air freight would start to climb out of a prolonged slump this year in its big three markets–Asia, Europe and North America. Now it says it will have to “hold its breath” until 2014.
While production rate buildups are proceeding smoothly on every other program, the 747-8 is the only one where too much capacity is an issue. Boeing raised its rate from 1.5 aircraft per month in January to two a month in July on anticipation that freight demand would begin to grow. It has rolled out 50 747- 8s from its widebody factory in Everett, Wash., and has 14 awaiting delivery. “The challenge for us right now is the freight market,” Senior VP Pat Shanahan told a RBC Capital Markets teleconference last week. “It’s down. We’re in a little bit of a quandary right now on how to smooth out the [747] production system."
Freight traffic has declined in four of the past five years, with the only bright spot in the Middle East, where demand is up 14% so far this year.
The drop in demand is pushing all-freight carriers to park older, fuelguzzling aircraft and look to newer models. In 2006, there were 177 747-100/200s in service, more than half of all widebody full-freighters. Currently, all but 55 have been parked because their operating costs are so high. They will not return even if freight booms, says Tom Crabtree, Boeing’s regional marketing analyst for cargo.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 174, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14658 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 173): The drop in demand is pushing all-freight carriers to park older, fuelguzzling aircraft and look to newer models.
Even the 747-400 passenger to conversion market has dried up as the operating economic advantage of a new-build 747-8F outweigh the capital cost savings of a "new" 747-400BCF / 747-400SF.
So Boeing at least can take solace that they should be able to deliver what they have in the pipeline (even Atlas Air's NTUs may have found a new home) and rumors imply that CX is ready to order three more 747-8Fs.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 175, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14656 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 173): The drop in demand is pushing all-freight carriers to park older, fuelguzzling aircraft and look to newer models. In 2006, there were 177 747-100/200s in service, more than half of all widebody full-freighters. Currently, all but 55 have been parked because their operating costs are so high. They will not return even if freight booms, says Tom Crabtree, Boeing’s regional marketing analyst for cargo.
Well, with the youngest 742 freighters being over 21 years old now and enough 744s available for conversion and about eight relatively young 744Fs currently parked that is no surprise at all. I am even surprised that as many as 55 of those classics are still active given that Southern Air has just wfu a number of them.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 176, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14599 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 173): While production rate buildups are proceeding smoothly on every other program, the 747-8 is the only one where too much capacity is an issue.
The 747 is the only airplane in the currently-produced Boeing fleet that is going DOWN in fleet utilization. In other words, operators are parking or permanently retiring the 747 faster than Boeing can produce them. Even the 767 has recovered to pre-2008 levels. Amazing.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 177, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14706 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 176): operators are parking or permanently retiring the 747 faster than Boeing can produce them.
That is wrong, at least in the words chosen. Of cause Boeing CAN produce them as fast as the older ones are being retired when rquired, fact is only that the ones retired now were built in the absolute 747 boom times and in most cases have reached their constructive limit.
Quoting Laddie (Reply 176): Even the 767 has recovered to pre-2008 levels. Amazing.
That will drastically change very soon. By the end of the decade very likely three quarters of the 767s flying now wont do so anymore.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 178, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14540 times:
Not having a market to sell your product to is always a sticky situation. There could be a possible upside to Boeing's current problem. There was at one time a market for 150+ 747 freighters. As earlier posted, all but 55 of these 747-100/200s have been parked. Seeing that they are 100/200s, most of them will never touch the face of God again. That is a massive market that at some point will need to be replaced. While the 777F could steal some of that market, the 747 will garner the majority of the lion's share. Boeing is only competing with itself.
So, the future looks bright but we need to deal with the here and now. Are there not airlines that currently need widebody aircraft? If the production line is looking thin, Boeing should push the 747-8I. Any 747-8I sold is an A350 or A380 not rolling down the line. Yes, it could dampen the 77W program but it is still money and market share in Boeing's pocket. Availability and ability to bring the 747-8I to an airline's fleet should be used to Boeing's advantage.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 179, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14470 times:
Quoting na (Reply 175): Well, with the youngest 742 freighters being over 21 years old now and enough 744s available for conversion and about eight relatively young 744Fs currently parked that is no surprise at all. I am even surprised that as many as 55 of those classics are still active given that Southern Air has just wfu a number of them.
And they look that youthful only because a handful of classic frames trickled out well after -400 production was underway. As of today, only ten 747 classics are less than 24 years old (next week it'll drop to nine).
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2469 posts, RR: 21 Reply 180, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14390 times:
With earlier versions being sent to pasture, when the rebound comes Boeing will be in a prime position to deliver new freighters quickly...
Aircraft data : L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #10, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, F/F November 26 -2012, Acceptance/delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) December 04-2012
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 183, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13928 times:
RC007 was supposed to be delivered last week, but there seems to be an issue with the bird. After her eighth test flight today (by my unofficial count), the delivery date has slid to TBD.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 188, posted (5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13594 times:
Depending the amount of fuel in the wing tanks, the over-wing doors cannot be closed again, due deformation of the door frame.
So, perhaps the Boeing crew decided to tape the door as a temporally fix, to avoid defueling. After usage of most of the fuel during the next test flight, the problem could have been solved after opening and closing the overwing door.
In airline operation, we used this method to avoid delays at outstations, with limited repair capabilities.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 189, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13361 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 188): Depending the amount of fuel in the wing tanks, the over-wing doors cannot be closed again, due deformation of the door frame.
So, perhaps the Boeing crew decided to tape the door as a temporally fix, to avoid defueling. After usage of most of the fuel during the next test flight, the problem could have been solved after opening and closing the overwing door.
In airline operation, we used this method to avoid delays at outstations, with limited repair capabilities.
I knew duct tape had some exceptional capabilities but?????
What is your definition of a "closed door"?
At the weights/fuel loads the airplanes are flown at during production flights I don't think this would be the issue.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 190, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13361 times:
A feature of all 747 series is that when you have opened an over-wing door (e.g. for maintenance) on the ground, you are sometimes unable to close the door again.
This is caused by the wings bending downward (caused by the fuel load in the wing tanks). Above a certain fuel load in combination with roll, this wing bending causes a slight ovalisation of the fuselage at the over wing door frames .
Now you are unable to close the door again, actually the door doesn't fit in the door frame anymore. The only option now left is (partly) de-fueling the wing tanks.
In case you have an air leak you have to open the door for a final repair. (seals etc.).
But If you have a minor air leak you can temporally tape the door from the outside ( check for proper closed position of the door handle , the door is a plug-type but can be opened in case of emergency) and depart for a final fix, without a major delay for de-fueling.
OR-
In this case , they had limited time for a repair and decided to temporally fix the airleak with tape, until the final repair could be done after the last test flight.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 191, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13017 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 190): A feature of all 747 series is that when you have opened an over-wing door (e.g. for maintenance) on the ground, you are sometimes unable to close the door again.
Good detective work, 747classic and Matt Cawby. A stubbornly leaking door would account for all the test flights.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 192, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12976 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 191):
Good detective work, 747classic and Matt Cawby. A stubbornly leaking door would account for all the test flights.
Based on the number of "short" flights that have been made, that the weight this airplane is operating at is very low (production fuel load and empty interior--well below most if not all in service flights), that door leaks are fairly easy to fix and that the leading edge of the door was the only part taped, I think rather than a leak they have an airflow problem across the door causing a tone of some sort (a more difficult fix). A similiar problem occurred on one of United early 777's.
Hopefully whatever the issue is, it will be gone during today's flight.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 193, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12901 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 192): Hopefully whatever the issue is, it will be gone during today's flight.
RC007 just finished another test flight. Delivery is tentatively scheduled for Friday, but it's day-to-day depending on fixing the overwing door noise/leakage.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 196, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12224 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 195): It looks like RC007's door leakage issue has been resolved. The airplane is now scheduled to be handed over tonight, and flyaway early next week.
That was probably one of the harder ones to get out the door.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 197, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12087 times:
Scheduled 747-8 deliveries (subject to change) for December, before the factory is (almost) closed during the Christmas - New year holiday :
December 10 : L/N 1467 - RC007 - 747-8H0-----------A4O-HMS (Oman Royal Flight), acceptance already at Dec 7 ??
December 18 : L/N 1422 - RC522 - 747-8KZF---------JA12KZ (former test aircraft #3, ex. N50217)
December 20 : L/N 1420 - RC501 - 747-8R7F---------LX-VCA (former test aircraft #1, ex. N747EX)
L/N 1463- RC604 (ABC) still TBD.
Interesting : L/N 1469 - RC524 (NCA) seems to be scheduled for re-positioning from Paine Field towards Pinal Airpark Airport -Marana AZ (KMZJ / MZJ) at the end of February (long term storage)??
In reply 70 of this thread the NCA 747-8F delivery schedule was already discussed. I am surprised that one of the early frames (RC522) will be delivered first and a newer (= Less OEW) airframe (RC524) is scheduled to be stored in the desert.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1826 posts, RR: 6 Reply 198, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12004 times:
Looks like NCA is not in a hurry to pick up their new freighters. This is also in line with your observation in reply #70.
Quote: In reply 70 of this thread the NCA 747-8F delivery schedule was already discussed. I am surprised that one of the early frames (RC522) will be delivered first and a newer (= Less OEW) airframe (RC524) is scheduled to be stored in the desert.
I'm smelling a huge discount on those test frames.
However, no info was available on FlightAware, Flightradar24, Data.Flight24 or Pudget Sound - Boeing Test Flights.
Anybody any info about the destination of this delivery flight ?
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 200, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10949 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 199): However, no info was available on FlightAware, Flightradar24, Data.Flight24 or Pudget Sound - Boeing Test Flights.
Anybody any info about the destination of this delivery flight ?
The flight must have been suppressed from the online flight trackers at the request of the new owner.
However, no info was available on FlightAware, Flightradar24, Data.Flight24 or Pudget Sound - Boeing Test Flights.
Anybody any info about the destination of this delivery flight ?
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 517 posts, RR: 3 Reply 204, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10753 times:
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 203): Came through YVR yesterday as most of the 748 BBJ's have - not sure where it went, will have to ask tomorrow.
lf it went from PAE to YVR it probably flew back to the states for mod work of some sort or storage.
Via the Pudget Sound - Boeing Test Flights blog we have now obtained the serial number and lessor of VQ-BSK, after the first flight at December 13. This B1 flight was cut short and returned to base with an unknown (minor) issue.
Full aircraft data : L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012.
- Probably RC522 / JA-12KZ will be delivered to NCA in 2012.
- RC008 / VQ-BSK is not on the delivery list yet, the aircraft has completed a B1 and B2 flight up to now.
- RC501 / LX-VCA. The delivery of this aircraft has slid into early January. Ground crew will work through holiday break to get the airplane ready for delivery.(Several minor squawks and a touch-up of the paint on the wing).
- RC604 / VQ-BRH. This aircraft has been painted in Portland, but is still not scheduled for a 2012 delivery.
Would this be RC009, the only not yet assembled 747-8I/BBJ ?
It was Lufthansa, reducing their order from 20 til 19, by choosing not taking delivery of LN1235, however they note that it might be temporarily and they might order more in Q3 2013 according to the Aviationweek article
Quote:
However, he adds the airline’s long-range fleet group is due to decide on adding additional aircraft by the third quarter of 2013, some of which could include 747-8s.
scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 211, posted (5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8938 times:
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 210): It was Lufthansa, reducing their order from 20 til 19, by choosing not taking delivery of LN1235, however they note that it might be temporarily and they might order more in Q3 2013 according to the Aviationweek article
Wonder what they're looking at i.e. is this just a decision about adding more heavies - maybe 5 748s and 10 A380s or will it include an order for 787,777X or A350?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 213, posted (5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8763 times:
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 210): It is also noted that LN1235 is to become a dedicated test aircraft for Boeing, enabling them to getting both the tail tank and PIP2 certified.
I expect once that work is done Boeing will sell it as a BBJ.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 484 posts, RR: 8 Reply 214, posted (5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8651 times:
RC008 delivered on 20 December. Delivery flight was scheduled for today, and she is gone from her KPAE stall, so I assume she left, but there is no record I can see on Flightaware.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 217, posted (5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8317 times:
Hey guys
Any more Polar or 5Y deliveries expected from PAE to CVG anytime over the holidays? I'm in town and I would like to film a delivery flight if there is one.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 218, posted (5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8120 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 217): Any more Polar or 5Y deliveries expected from PAE to CVG anytime over the holidays? I'm in town and I would like to film a delivery flight if there is one.
I am sorry, no more deliveries are expected from PAE towards CVG in this year.
After the delivery flight of N853GT at December 4, no other Atlas Air aircraft are present on the flight line at this moment. (except the three rejected 5Y-airframes).
The next Atlas Air aircraft (L/N1471-N854GT) is now at the final assembly line in the slant position #1 (next to the hangar door) and will probably emerge from the FAL after the holidays (in 2013).
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4989 posts, RR: 14 Reply 219, posted (5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7848 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 218): The next Atlas Air aircraft (L/N1471-N854GT) is now at the final assembly line in the slant position #1 (next to the hangar door) and will probably emerge from the FAL after the holidays (in 2013).
Any estimated delivery date on that guy? I may be back before my transfer in March.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 222, posted (5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7530 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 219): The next Atlas Air aircraft (L/N1471-N854GT) is now at the final assembly line in the slant position #1 (next to the hangar door) and will probably emerge from the FAL after the holidays (in 2013).
Any estimated delivery date on that guy? I may be back before my transfer in March.
L/N1471-N854GT emerged from the FAL just before the holidays and is visible at the latest KPAE flight line photo (December 22) of Matt Cawby. Estimated delivery will probably be somewhere in mid Januari 2013.
At the same photo also visible is the first glance of L/N1470-RC026, the first Lufthansa 747-830 of the second batch of five, to be delivered in 2013.
Both aircraft can be identified at the flight line, because both are the only unpainted 747-8's with dark blue rudders.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1826 posts, RR: 6 Reply 224, posted (5 months 6 hours ago) and read 6871 times:
So the current firing order goes already until the beginning of 2014. I'm wondering when we are going to see the first 747-8I for Korean Air. It is very quiet on this order, no news to find on the cabin configuration, first delivery date nor the routes Korean Air want to fly them.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 225, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6549 times:
Silence before the 2013 storm.
Matt Cawby's KPAE blog provides again some perfect photo's of the present peace at the Everett front during the holidays.
Quoting 747classic (Reply 206): RC501 / LX-VCA. The delivery of this aircraft has slid into early January. Ground crew will work through holiday break to get the airplane ready for delivery.(Several minor squawks and a touch-up of the paint on the wing).
Some have to work during the holidays, see this photo of LX-VCA, taken during paint touch up at the paint hangar : http://paineairport.com/kpae5780.htm
Other 747-8 aircraft are awaiting for the return of the workforce at the flight line. (front to back : VQ-BRH (ABC), N854GT (Atlas), D-ABYG(LH) and JA14KZ(NCA) : http://paineairport.com/kpae5783.htm
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1789 posts, RR: 11 Reply 227, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6505 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 226): Sorry for the question but I'm curious about any possible new order for the passenger version, any rumor/s about it ?
Thanks
This thread is (mostly) dedicated to the actual test flying and production of the 747-8.
You can better look here for your question : Is It Goodbye To The B748i? (by airlinebuilder Dec 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 224): So the current firing order goes already until the beginning of 2014. I'm wondering when we are going to see the first 747-8I for Korean Air. It is very quiet on this order, no news to find on the cabin configuration, first delivery date nor the routes Korean Air want to fly them.
I don't think that many more 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft will be assembled in 2013, exept the already allocated five for Lufthansa.
In 2014, after all updates (GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMC 3.0 software update and tail tank issue) are implemented,after a block change, we will see IMHO an upswing of 747-8I's rolling off the assembly line.
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