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Scoot Signs MOU With Tiger; Adds NRT & More China  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

Some news out from two of Singapore Airlines subsidiaries.

Tiger Airways and Scoot have signed a MOU which is meant to foster "a deep and wide ranging co-operation".

Its mentioned the two carriers would jointly market services including initially offering through itineraries to Tiger destinations such as Phuket. Ho Chi Minh City and Kuala Lumpur, and Scoot destinations of Sydney and Gold Coast. Tiger recently moved facilities in SIN and now us under the same roof as Scoot in Terminal-2 facilitating easy connections.

Story:
http://www.spicenews.com.au/2012/10/...-and-Scoot-team-up/CPVHJAPMKL.html


Additionally Scoot seems to have gotten Narita slots finally and has loaded the schedule of its new Tokyo service.

Starting October 29th, Scoot will commence a daily NRT flight by extending its TPE service.

TZ202 SIN-TPE 0055-0540
TZ202 TPE-NRT 0650-1040

TZ201 NRT-TPE 1150-1435
TZ201 TPE-SIN 1545-2010


Edit -

I see they also added schedules to Shenyang and Qingdao China.

Effective November 27th.

Tue/Fri/Sun

TZ086 SIN-SHE 0200-0835
TZ086 SHE-TAO 0950-1120
TZ085 TAO-SIN 1235-1845

[Edited 2012-10-04 11:07:57]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6523 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Tiger Airways and Scoot have signed a MOU which is meant to foster "a deep and wide ranging co-operation".

Train wreck. So the two LCC offshoots of SQ are going to team up to do what....take on SQ ? I don't think even US carriers tried *two* airlines within an airline, let alone having them team up.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Train wreck. So the two LCC offshoots of SQ are going to team up to do what....take on SQ ?

The most price sensitive people does not fly SQ anyway, so this will just as much tap into traffic from other carriers.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Actually I think by having Scoot and Tiger work together is a win-win.

Overnight customers will have a much broader set of network destination they will be able to reach on a single ticket.
Now many of the Tiger regional destinations will be connected to the longer distance Scoot flights. Benefits customers on both sides.

Also regarding the comment about competing with SQ, I see this much more about trying to check the growth of Air Asia, JetStar and such. Scoot and Tiger help keep folks and money inside the SQ family instead.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 2):
The most price sensitive people does not fly SQ anyway, so this will just as much tap into traffic from other carriers.

It will, including SQ, because most of the people in Y don't value the SQ amenities and will ditch SQ for a cheaper fare. That means SQ has to find ways of back-filling those seats, and it's certainly not going to be at the same or higher fare, thus diluting the market.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Actually I think by having Scoot and Tiger work together is a win-win.

It is, but it's more like two drunks holding each other up. It also begs the question, why not Tiger 777s in the first place, rather than Scoot?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Also regarding the comment about competing with SQ, I see this much more about trying to check the growth of Air Asia, JetStar and such.

It's all very much like Metrojet, except instead of a tired 732 it's a tired 772, and you have to pay for everything on Scoot , and Scoot's strategy is a mess. Sure it may stimulate demand for a while, but it will ultimately lead to the same conclusion, that SQ's costs are too high and it's cannibalizing its own traffic with a money losing "LCC". I can see wanting to compete with Air Asia, but Scoot has about as much chance of competing with Air Asia as Metrojet did with B6.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5928 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
It will, including SQ, because most of the people in Y don't value the SQ amenities and will ditch SQ for a cheaper fare. That means SQ has to find ways of back-filling those seats, and it's certainly not going to be at the same or higher fare, thus diluting the market.
SQ's strength is being a network operation ala EK. Something like 60% of customers connect.

Sure it might lose O&D bargain chasers to Scoot or other LCCs in the region, but at the end the carrier still lives on that network connection flow and obviously the premium class fliers it retains around the globe. If needed SQ can and does offer bargain Y class fare sales, especially intra-Asia, and I am sure they will continue that practice to manage loads and yield.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
It also begs the question, why not Tiger 777s in the first place, rather than Scoot?

One reason is SQ parent does not have full ownership of Tiger - only about 32%. Its more an affiliate company, that has other independent interest including pursuit in developing shorthaul ventures in Indonesia, Philippines and Australia.

Scoot on the other hand is a wholly owned subsidiary that SQ can more easily craft and develop a niche for.

Also I guess we should not forget that SQ has Silk Air under the umbrella as well.

[Edited 2012-10-04 18:26:24]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
SQ's strength is being a network operation ala EK. Something like 60% of customers connect.

Same with DL, UA, CO, US, AC, BA, etc, etc. This is not a new concept, nor a particularly well executed one, particularly up against the well oiled behemoth that is Air Asia, and is more likely to follow the same fate as Metrojet/Shuttle by United/Zip/etc than anything.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Starting October 29th, Scoot will commence a daily NRT flight by extending its TPE service.

This sounds like it will be very profitable. I wonder how much these tickets would cost.



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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

A bit off topic, but how many planes do Scoot have in their fleet now?

User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
It will, including SQ, because most of the people in Y don't value the SQ amenities and will ditch SQ for a cheaper fare. That means SQ has to find ways of back-filling those seats, and it's certainly not going to be at the same or higher fare, thus diluting the market.

Well not quite. I know lots of of people from countries in Asia other than mind who will -only- fly SQ and nothing else. Like when I was in school I had wealthy Indonesian classmates who'd fly back home to CGK regularly in Y, never on another airline. Even though it's a 1.5hr flight and SQ's Y tends to go for around S$400 (US$330) while GA and back then LH flying this route were around S$300. Not to mention the LCCs on this short hop were going for around S$100. SQ is a status symbol for many in the region and 10 years of LCC competition has not changed that.

Maybe its because of the booming economies in Asia but I attribute this phenomenon to the persistently wide income gaps in many Asian countries unlike the US where you have a much bigger middle class.

Also, SQ's yields from the premium cabins are what's holding it up. Their J class is probably their strongest product, comparable to F on many other airlines and up till now they never do fare sales in J (or F), they only time they had a J fare sale was in 2008 when the economy tanked.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
One reason is SQ parent does not have full ownership of Tiger - only about 32%. Its more an affiliate company, that has other independent interest including pursuit in developing shorthaul ventures in Indonesia, Philippines and Australia.
Scoot on the other hand is a wholly owned subsidiary that SQ can more easily craft and develop a niche for.
Also I guess we should not forget that SQ has Silk Air under the umbrella as well.

Yeap, Tiger isn't a fully owned subsidiary. I guess Scott is their own while Tiger allows them to have a wider network.. but why not just buy over Tiger? It's getting really crowded in there. I guess Tiger is a competitor for Air Asia while Scoot was SQ's answer to AirAsiaX, the long-haul arm, but why not synergise them? Maybe this MOU is a step towards that.

SilkAir has been doing really well, earning more than the parent company last year but I think it'll have a tough time position itself in time to come. MI is a regional carrier but a premium one. Most people out of Sg and Malyasia I met tend to think it's a LCC since its regional and it doesn't have a strong brand name beyond these two countries, unlike SQ. I also noticed that they had many fare sales in Y last year probably to get a little closer to the prices of the LCCs but I wonder if this "premium regional airline" model can last.


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5655 times:

The Two LCC brands never made sense, and one stop 777 services to China make no sense either. The aircraft in a high density layout is simply too big for routes like these.

Sounds like scoot is struggling.



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User currently onlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

I believe that LCC's are good for the region because they make travel possible that would otherwise be out of the price range of many travellers. Many of the routes are short enough not to require full service luxuries.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 10):
one stop 777 services to China make no sense either.

I wonder about the sense of flying the 777 on the SIN-TPE-NRT route. Jetstar Asia already flies SIN-TPE-KIX with a A320. The Japan - Taiwan route would surely be ripe for the new narrowbody Japanese LCCs if there is money to be made with it. That said I just booked TPE-NRT with Scoot last night as part of a multihop LCC holiday in Asia, something that we can only afford (okay, hopefully afford) to do thanks to the various LCCs in operation in the region.



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 11):
The Japan - Taiwan route would surely be ripe for the new narrowbody Japanese LCCs if there is money to be made with it.

Given JQ Asia's KIX-TPE service, I'm betting that aside from Korea and Saipan, one of the first international destinations for Jetstar Japan will be NRT-TPE to join the dots. I'd say Scoot with a 772 will eventually be squeezed by narrowbody carries fragmenting the market.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 10):
Sounds like scoot is struggling.

"Scoot needs need from Tiger and smaller aircraft to achieve profitable growth"

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...to-achieve-profitable-growth-84407



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):

It feels that scoot is afraid of going head to head against SQ, so are making their airline as unattractive as possible, with one stop, round robin style services. If the excellent air Asia flies direct from KUL to Tokyo, surely there is direct LCC demand from Singapore.

It is hard enough building a brand in Singapore for Scoot to also have to build a brand to fill seats from Taipei to Tokyo. They also run the risk of being beaten by other direct LCC competition.

Air Asia is an amazingly strong and growing ASEAN brand. Scoot is low cost airline number 4 to be based in the already crowded Singapore market. The SQ fragmented operating model of the excellent Singapore, run-of-the-mill silk air, and two struggling low cost brands all operating from one city makes zero sense.

Does Singapore have a network of medium haul routes that can justify a super high density, low cost, no connection 777 operator? Manila and Jakarta have the worker traffic to the Gulf, Thailand has the leisure routes to Russia - but Singapore - with all the competition? How does the CASK of scoot compare to say Xiamen air or China Southern (Xiamen and Guangdong being too large ethnic markets for Singapore).



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 14):
with one stop, round robin style services

One-stop, same-plane only exists on SIN-NRT. They also sell TPE-NRT. But, I take your point.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 14):
Scoot is low cost airline number 4 to be based in the already crowded Singapore market.

Indeed, but to be fair, most of its routes aren't served by other LCCs.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 14):
Does Singapore have a network of medium haul routes that can justify a super high density, low cost, no connection 777 operator?

Hence the relationship with TR to provide feed. I recall D7 saying they couldn't exist but for the feed provided by AK.

[Edited 2012-10-05 05:00:50]


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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Tiger recently moved facilities in SIN and now us under the same roof as Scoot in Terminal-2 facilitating easy connections.

The terminal move is more due to the Budget Terminal being closed for redevelopment as Terminal 4. Both airlines are likely going to move to the new Terminal when it is completed thou.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Train wreck. So the two LCC offshoots of SQ are going to team up to do what....take on SQ ? I don't think even US carriers tried *two* airlines within an airline, let alone having them team up.

And there you go again, comparing every situation with the US situation. Perhaps you may wish to check out what SQ's competitors are doing before making that remark. So when AirAsia and AirAsia X cooperates and when Jetstar and Jetstar Asia interlines, you consider that a negative business decision as well?

Quoting infinit (Reply 9):
I know lots of of people from countries in Asia other than mind who will -only- fly SQ and nothing else.

Count me as one of them. The only reason why I support more LCCs out of SIN is so that SQ fares can be cheaper.  I have only flown LCCs once, and that is on Tiger to KUL. Nothing further than that, thank you, although I might try Scoot one day just to check it out.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 10):
The Two LCC brands never made sense, and one stop 777 services to China make no sense either. The aircraft in a high density layout is simply too big for routes like these.

Sounds like scoot is struggling.

Several major airlines in this region have multiple LCC brands as well, and for good reason. Tiger and Scoot have different ownership structures and cannot be simply lumped into one unless SQ buys up all of Tiger. When that happens, however, Tiger may have even more issues trying to buy into other airlines in the region, an issue which is bad enough as it is.

Both TYO and TPE are major markets out of SIN. Based on what did you conclude that this route is not viable? And would a struggling airline launch such a route if it is considered risky?

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 14):
Does Singapore have a network of medium haul routes that can justify a super high density, low cost, no connection 777 operator? Manila and Jakarta have the worker traffic to the Gulf, Thailand has the leisure routes to Russia - but Singapore - with all the competition? How does the CASK of scoot compare to say Xiamen air or China Southern (Xiamen and Guangdong being too large ethnic markets for Singapore).

Considering the SIN market is much bigger than KUL, were you berating AirAsia for starting AirAsiaX? Also consider the fact that SIN is way bigger than MNL and is even bigger than BKK if you discount the domestic traffic. If you think only low-wage workers and low-budget tourists would fly LCC, than how would you justify the success of European and American LCCs?



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

On a related note, a lot of people are forgetting that one of the key attractions of LCCs is the flexibility of flying to one city and getting home from another. Unlike mainlines or legacies which price their one-way at only a little less, about the same and in some cases even higher than two-way fares, the budget airlines are based one single trips. I know of many businessmen who favour LCCs for regional trips because they can eg, land in HK and depart from Macau, Shenzhen or Guangdong as convenient without backtracking. Similarly, flying into Jakarta and going on to other cities such as Bandung and Yogyakarta on a round robin makes great sense rather than having to go back to Jakarta to get onto the home-bound leg. In such cases, saving time is even more important than the lower cost.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 16):
And there you go again, comparing every situation with the US situation.

This isn't the first time that one network carrier has started a "LCC" with tired old airplanes in the hopes of 'capturing back the low yield traffic'; it's not even the 10th time it's been tried.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 16):
Perhaps you may wish to check out what SQ's competitors are doing before making that remark. So when AirAsia and AirAsia X cooperates and when Jetstar and Jetstar Asia interlines, you consider that a negative business decision as well?

Those are all the same brands. Regardless, I'm not against Tiger and Scoot tying up at all--in fact it makes sense, even though there were a lot of missteps to get to this point of having 2 SQ LCC affiliates, neither of which seem to be doing particularly well.

Quoting infinit (Reply 9):
I know lots of of people from countries in Asia other than mind who will -only- fly SQ and nothing else.

And they will continue to do so, as do devotees of BA/UA/DL/etc, but they are a small minority of the passengers, though they contribute an outsize fraction of the revenue.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 15):
Hence the relationship with TR to provide feed. I recall D7 saying they couldn't exist but for the feed provided by AK.

D7 was a disaster, even with the AK feed, until they cut all the longhaul stuff and essentially made it the widebody version of AK. But Scoot is hurtling down the same path as D7, so we shall see how that goes!



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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

So how big is Scoot's fleet now? I guess it's still just ex-SQ 777-200s?

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 16):
Considering the SIN market is much bigger than KUL,

And much more competitive. KUL has one major Low Cost based there - Singapore has four - Jetstar, Tiger, Air Asia and Scoot.

From reading the article it does seem that scoot is running out of route options for a 400 seater aircraft without feed.

I agree that TYO and TPE are big enough markets from SIN, so why is Scoot flying TYO one stop rather than direct? Shying away from direct competition with Papa SQ?

A 400 seater is far too big for the vast majority of Chinese regional cities not flown by SQ today - heck even silk air with SQ feed manages very few destinations on a daily basis - Kunming, Xi'an , Shenzhen and Wuhan for example. A LCC a320 is far more suited to these routes, and about a dozen more, especially if they feed the SQ hub system.

Does Scoot have a non compete with Silkair I wonder?



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 20):
And much more competitive. KUL has one major Low Cost based there - Singapore has four - Jetstar, Tiger, Air Asia and Scoot.


No subsidiary or affiliate of AirAsia is yet based in Singapore. It seemed to be so because with four of its units; AirAsia (Malaysia), Thai AirAsia, Indonesia AirAsia and AirAsia Philippines making Singapore a destination in their networks, it has become a de-facto base.
However, AirAsia (Malaysia) has started "night-stopping" its aircraft in the republic since the later part of 2011 as a prelude to its second attempt to set up AirAsia Singapore in the very near future.
Till then AirAsia is NOT based in Singapore.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

In the eyes of the customer, Air Asia has a major presence in the Singapore market with approx. 40 flights daily.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 20):
I agree that TYO and TPE are big enough markets from SIN, so why is Scoot flying TYO one stop rather than direct?

Probably to take advantage of TPE-NRT on which it has traffic rights and given the lack of LCC competition on the route. Jetstar does the same from SIN to KIX, albeit with a 320 - so with range implications. But, yes, it is somewhat odd.

[Edited 2012-10-05 10:47:54]


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4367 times:

SQ are a very confusing airline.

It now has 4 brands that it owns, or holds stakes in, which must be a nightmare to run in many ways.

The decision to launch Scoot has confused me since it was even speculated, given that it is an airline that is designed to take on JQ/3K (and D7), but without feed there was always going to be issues. Passengers want connection options, and SIN just isnt that big of a market in its own right to support a significant O&D operation in this space.

Joining up with TR is a wise move, however why wasn't this just not considered prior to launching another brand'? Was the TR brand considered damaged or was it SQ wanting sole control of this brand? If so, whats the change now to facilitate this move to join forces?

Seems like a misguided effort at best in trying to launch this carrier.


25 bestwestern : With the LCC market in Japan just beginning, this route will be swamped by other carriers flying proper sized equipment to TPE. Jet star also have a
26 bennator : This is anecdotal only, but, as someone who flies SIN-TPE-SIN on 3K about once per month (have actually used all the carriers on this route, but usua
27 bestwestern : Is Singapore so small that they have to start flying non Singapore routes already - and not build scale and awareness at home?
28 LAXintl : Remember as mentioned earlier, Singapore has only a minority share holding in Tiger. Was about 32% at the end of 2011. So SQ can only exert limited c
29 TreeHillRavens : Things are different in Singapore (and Asia as a whole) compared to the US or EU. Besides, Scoot took off just less than a year ago. Isn't it a bit to
30 smi0006 : Just curiously of the big three Asian LCCs; Jetstar, Tiger, and Air Asia (are they the biggest three? Maybe Lion air?) How many bases and subsiduaries
31 neutrino : Tiger have no base in Thailand. Their attempt at joint venture with Thai Airways just did not fly with the Thai Authorities. (Ditto for South Korea w
32 huaiwei : Except that the "tired old airplanes" of American carriers are typically much older than the "tired old airplanes" of SQ. Again, you appear completel
33 bestwestern : The Singaporean superiority complex rises again re tiger Australia. Please note the list of routes that I proposed be operated by the A320. Xi'an and
34 Post contains links winglets747 : Not afraid but clear ring fencing as to where Scoot and SIA can overlap. Although the two serve SYD, the timings make the proposition very different.
35 huaiwei : Superiority complex or otherwise, the sequence of events with regards to Tiger Australia shows why local control is still better in the most dire sit
36 IndianicWorld : This should definitely be considered. Could become a very strong partnership to combat QF/JQ. Im sure both carriers can leverage off such a move, how
37 cheeken : Has anyone considered "not enough planes"? For all we know this one stop route might be the best option for the fleet's size at this point of growth
38 alangirvan : This arrangement gives Scoot + Tiger Asia a one stop, with change of plane service between a couple of Australian ports and three Asian ports, where i
39 mariner : I think that would do a fair deal of damage to the brand that Virgin Australia is so carefully nurturing. mariner
40 Post contains images mandala499 : For Air Asia, add Japan (currently domestic only) For Tiger, delete Thailand, add Phillipines with SEAir and Indonesia with Mandala... both do domest
41 bestwestern : The Singapore arrogance continues. Just tell me how in your face advertising in Singapore benefits a TPE TYO flight. Oh, and I read the article. Refer
42 cheeken : I don't know, when non aviation enthusiasts ask me about cheap flights to TPE in the past few weeks, the first thing they ask is "Is Scoot cheap?" An
43 Post contains links huaiwei : Agreed concerning their image. Remove that huddle, and the prospects are quite interesting. I am sure SQ chose someone from Virgin to run Tiger Austr
44 Post contains images allrite : I note that Scoot's CEO is a New Zealander, though a long term SIA employee. In my opinion Scoot are doing a superb job of creating online buzz. Howe
45 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Oh *well* let the profits roll right in! It had a -13% operating margin FYE MAR12, after two years of meager profits The routes were terrible and lon
46 mandala499 : Garuda tried with Citilink... eventually, they realized, yes it can work, BUT, unlike the previous attempts by "others", it's not about barebones pro
47 LAXintl : Interesting as part of the rumored SQ 787-10 launch order news out today, the carrier would likely place a portion of the aircraft at Scoot. Per repor
48 sydscott : Not forgetting that Jetstar Asia will have access to Jetstar Group 788's which will fly some routes out of SIN. SQ learned from what QF did with JQ.
49 LAXintl : So with SQ and VA deals, I suppose we will now surely see the budget brand of Scoot and Tiger working together.
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