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Captain's Seat Loose On AA Flight 469  
User currently offlineMedic2366 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16133 times:

PAX on AA Flight 469 from Philly to Miami are reporting that the captain announced his seat is loose on a 737-800. PAX reporting ground crew has boarded and removed captain's seat.

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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15993 times:

So you suggest the pilot fly the airplane in violation of an F.A.R. ? As much as you want to throw in a dig to the AA pilots...if there was nothing wrong with it...the plane would be flying and the seat would not be replaced.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15697 times:
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I'd be one of the first to call out pilots on questionable actions, but this isn't one. We had an aircraft here at UND a few years ago that had a seat malfunction. The student was at the controls and the mechanism failed and he slid back, pulling the flight controls with him and nearly crashing. The CFI took controls and recovered. But what if this happened in the commercial flight? Even if they only had a strong nose up feeling in back you know it would be all over the news about how unsafe the planes are and how even the captain's seats are breaking. I say good for the pilot.
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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15453 times:

I guess it would depend on how "loose" the seat was, wouldn't it? One assumes that the aircraft had just done a turn in PHL. Did the previous pilot write it up? Or did the previous pilot not even notice this dangerous and potentially deadly (so it seams) maintenance issue? Or did the new pilot overdo his seat adjustment causing damage?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 6):

I worked for an airline for many years before going to work for a MRO. I would see this all the time. When ever the flight crews wanted to make a statement some of the oddest write up's would start showing up. Write ups of an obscure nature, then we would get a bunch right in a row.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15417 times:

Once in my car I tried to adjust the seat while driving at 80Km/h (I know, stupid !). It was on a busy boulevard around Paris, and traffic in front of me was a little slower, so while adjusting the seat I wanted to brake just a little bit. I ended up stopped ! As soon as I touched the brake pedal the seat sled and made me brake harder and harder, then the automatic emergency braking that I didn't know I had since it was very new at the time, did the rest. Fortunately I wasn't rear ended.


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User currently offlinealuminumtubing From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

It is kind of funny regarding all the conspiracy theories related to many of these write ups. While I haven't bothered checking this one, I have checked many of them out. Having access to the log book via Sabre, I can see the actual write ups and the balancing entries. I have not seen any bogus entries on the flights I have researched, nor have I seen any on any of the aircraft I have personally flown. I guarantee I have not made any.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15112 times:

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 11):

Right. So the increased number is both abrupt and absolutely within the norm? Or were pilots willing to fly unsafe planes before but now are finally reporting these dangerous situations?

There's a difference between "bogus" and anal.



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User currently offlinegeorgiaame From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15114 times:

“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.”
Auric Goldfinger in Ian Flemming's "Goldfinger"

I've been known to quote this on a number of occasions. This one seems appropriate.



"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14990 times:

Not qualified enough to make an assessment, but I don't think EVERYTHING that goes wrong at AA is due to labor. It is a dangerous time for pilots, IMO, because I think some pilots might be hesitant to write things up out of fear they'd be accused of slowing down the airline. That is a big problem


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

Sorry, but anyone accusing this particular pilot of participating in some sort of illegal "industrial action" is full of it.

It's pretty obvious the OP is trying to draw connections to the recent 757 issues, which is stupid because those have nothing to do with pilots and this incident happened on a 737... and this is something I have seen dozens of times in my aviation career at a different airline.



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User currently offlineMedic2366 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

The original story came to me from two photographers who work for NBC. They reported this story and showed video of the seat being removed on the news at 11pm. They didn't say anything about sabotage. To assume someone sabotaged the plane is just speculation. There are no facts to prove that. I think it is very dangerous and irresponsible to say these things if we have no proof. All we know is another seat, this time one of the pilot's seats, was missing two springs, causing it to be loose. Flight was delayed for an hour as they searched Philly's airport for another spring since this aircraft only had one extra.

User currently offlineMedic2366 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14639 times:

Here's the story with video - http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/A...in-Pilot-Seat-Pilot-172749211.html

User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14601 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
Not qualified enough to make an assessment, but I don't think EVERYTHING that goes wrong at AA is due to labor. It is a dangerous time for pilots, IMO, because I think some pilots might be hesitant to write things up out of fear they'd be accused of slowing down the airline. That is a big problem

You can only cry wolf so many times...



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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

This may come as a shock to some, but crews fly frequently when things on the airplane don't work exactly as they did new, but work well enough to get through the day with. There is not an airplane out there that is 100% perfect. Perhaps there is a higher sense of awareness now amongst the AA pilot group since they are under increase FAA observation and they no longer have the protection of a union contract or ASAP.

As for this seat, they break. It is common to have the lumbar support broken is not adjusting properly, the seat won't go up and down properly, or the locking spring on the fore/aft handle breaks. All should be written up and repaired.

727forever



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User currently offlinejetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13996 times:

this is what our pilots did at Eastern. and they, along with the mechanics killed the airline. pitiful.


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13469 times:

Quoting 727forever (Reply 14):

This may come as a shock to some, but crews fly frequently when things on the airplane don't work exactly as they did new, but work well enough to get through the day with. There is not an airplane out there that is 100% perfect. Perhaps there is a higher sense of awareness now amongst the AA pilot group since they are under increase FAA observation and they no longer have the protection of a union contract or ASAP.

As for this seat, they break. It is common to have the lumbar support broken is not adjusting properly, the seat won't go up and down properly, or the locking spring on the fore/aft handle breaks. All should be written up and repaired.

727forever

This. We let a lot of things go from day to day. What you're seeing at AA is what happens when you strictly follow what the FAA actually wants you to do legally. Pretty amazing the effect, isn't it?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15780 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13312 times:

Remember the good old days when mechanical delays at AA were all caused by an old and worn out fleet?   


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 5):
Once in my car I tried to adjust the seat while driving at 80Km/h (I know, stupid !). It was on a busy boulevard around Paris, and traffic in front of me was a little slower, so while adjusting the seat I wanted to brake just a little bit. I ended up stopped ! As soon as I touched the brake pedal the seat sled and made me brake harder and harder, then the automatic emergency braking that I didn't know I had since it was very new at the time, did the rest. Fortunately I wasn't rear ended.

Mwahahah you shouldn't do that on the Periphérique man.

You were lucky indeed.



Cheers
User currently offlinebigfoot0503 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12576 times:

Were it not for the fact that AA is presently in bankruptcy proceedings and dealing with tenuous labor negotiations (or lack thereof) this issue would not even register as newsworthy. Sadly there are too many media outlets that tend to sensationalize stories such as this writeup and once "latched on" the saga continues.

I worked for Continental Airlines in the late 1980's/90's during which time Continental filed for bankruptcy in December 1990. It was apparent at that time throughout the reorganization process that generally the news media would report on stories/occurrences that were very routine and relatively innocuous. It's difficult to cast an organization in a favorable light when the flying public is basing solely their opinion on what is reported and sensationalized in the media. It was frustrating at the time working under those conditions and customers would make incredibly derogatory comments based on so little or no facts at all.

I have no doubt that the majority of the employees at AA are committed to a constructive, positive process that will restore the public's faith in the product that AA has for so long delivered on.



oregon-aviator
User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11610 times:
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Not the pilot seats but back to the passenger seats...I heard on the news last night that among other things, AA is blaming spilled sodas for the seats coming loose. I would think that if this is part of the problem then all planes world wide would be having seat issues. Not at all certain I buy into this excuse.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6070 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11376 times:

I was jumpseating one time, and on taxi out, the captain's seat just would just randomly move with the bumps, so the best course of action was to turn the plane around, return to the gate, and ultimately, the flight was cancelled since it wasn't a simple fix.


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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11302 times:

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 20):
I heard on the news last night that among other things, AA is blaming spilled sodas for the seats coming loose.

I can't tell if your being serious or not... but as of 10/2 AA is officially blaming incorrectly installed fasteners that hold the seats in place for the issue. Someone "funny" journalist may have just made an off the cuff remark about the sodas.



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

from ap yesterday
"But officials offered a new explanation Thursday, saying that a combination of wear, poor design and even soda spilled into the tracks caused pins to pop out of the grooves."


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 7):
Right. So the increased number is both abrupt and absolutely within the norm? Or were pilots willing to fly unsafe planes before but now are finally reporting these dangerous situations?

There's a difference between "bogus" and anal.

Is it increased? Or is it just more reported?


25 fr8mech : Flight crew seats are vastly more complicated than passenger seats. Their attached to a set of rails, which in turn, attach to the seat track. It has
26 thrufru : As a pilot who flies this aircraft, I can assure you that problems with adjusting the seat are commonplace. In my experience it's not so much a funct
27 0NEWAIR0 : Wow...
28 Post contains images lightsaber : Agreed. And not that uncommon with aircraft seats. Question, do the pilot seats rotate? Aircraft seats must be very secure to be safe. A smart idea.
29 Bobloblaw : Ill say it...this is labor sabotage.
30 JFKPurser : INOP pilot seat is a very serious issue.
31 aluminumtubing : If a flight attendant hands me a cabin maintenance request form informing me there are 3 passenger reading lights out, I will write that up for repai
32 futureualpilot : Thats pretty disingenuous to say it is all entirely sabotage. There are very valid reasons already discussed why this is happening, and none of them
33 yeelep : Not on the 737, the seats move fore and aft with the seat moving outboard but parallel to aircraft center line in the last 5 inches of aft travel. Th
34 falstaff : I agree this kind of stuff happens. Several years ago my dad was flying SFO-STL on AA (those were the days) and the plane was delayed coming out of S
35 DocLightning : Bingo. And at what point of the entire flight is that seat MOST likely to slide back? a) Landing and roll-out b) In straight and level flight c) Take
36 737tanker : In the scenario that you gave even at the outstation you can write it up. You just have to contact maintenance and they will have you put it as a cre
37 Maverick623 : Let's just say you're not the first one to say that in this thread. And let's just say there's a reason you don't see those posts anymore.
38 aluminumtubing : Yes, you can write it up at an outstation. If the crew can flight crew placard it, yes it can be. Or yes, it can be deferred by maintenance as well.
39 GoBoeing : Either you're joking, or you have no idea how often the mechanisms that move the seats break! This only made the news because of the recent nonsense
40 DeltaMD90 : He's joking. Even with the most pissed off employees, I doubt they'd do something like this... this could down the entire aircraft
41 GoBoeing : I hope so! . . . some of the replies in some of these threads have been so out of touch with reality it puts them in the category of complete absurdi
42 Post contains images Mir : Yeah...right.... Shouldn't you be able to defer cabin reading lights by the MEL? If not, someone at the MX department has to be dropping the ball - i
43 pecevanne : I remember when I was young, taking off from Mexico City airport in B 727-200, just after rotation in runway 23 R My seat was broken and I went almost
44 DocLightning : Exactly the sort of scenario I described in my post. Thank you very much for illustrating my point so beautifully. If it will happen, it will happen
45 GoBoeing : I've had it slide back one notch at rotation several times. Not completely broken to the point of sliding all the way back but the momentum is certain
46 futureualpilot : Hard to simulate a seat sliding back in the sims without bringing crews in on it, but I have had instructors quietly whisper either to me, or the oth
47 aluminumtubing : They are not safety of flight items, hence you are correct. Which is why it is so comical with all the stories lately of flights being written up for
48 planefreakaa : the 737 capt. seat has a spring in that breaks alll the time, this spring helps to secure the seat in the seat track...... this is not a job action at
49 Post contains images OB1504 : The pilots aren't doing this to destroy the company. Quite the contrary: they like being AA pilots and are trying not to lose their jobs! It's half-r
50 DocLightning : You could actually set it up quite easily that the locking pin in the seat can be released by remote command. If you release it at simulated rotation
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