BlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 46179 times:
Looks like Delta and Alaska will announce something big on Monday. Think it will be a merger? Lots of rumors about that. I also heard that Delta might base their 717s in Seattle. Could provide some interesting new routes that slot between AS 737s and Q400s.
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 46010 times:
EDIT: In the interest of fair disclosure, it certainly appears the OP is affiliated with the aforementioned website. As of yet, AS has not issued a press release but I suspect the OP received a copy of one that will be published tomorrow.
- Unless the author received a copy of a press releases intended for tomorrow morning, Alaska did not issue a press release today.
- DL does not "base" aircraft at specific hubs. The 717 were acquired for a specific purpose - to back-fill capacity currently being operated with legions of CRJ, specifically at ATL & DTW. These aircraft will not be making appearances at SEA anytime soon.
- We can safely rule out a merger, since -- well, those types of things don't work this way.
- At best it's an expanded code/revenue share agreement and/or new service to PVG.
BlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 45873 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2): EDIT: In the interest of fair disclosure, it certainly appears the OP is affiliated with the aforementioned website. As of yet, AS has not issued a press release but I suspect the OP received a copy of one that will be published tomorrow.
I emailed the site owner to get clarification. I know he has an A.net account, but doesn't use it much.
rgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 45723 times:
Quote: Today Alaska Airlines sent out a press release stating that their CEO, Brad Tilden, and Delta Air Lines CEO, Richard Anderson, will make a joint announcement on Monday about, “new service, product enhancements in Seattle.” What does that mean exactly? I am not sure.
What press release? I subscribe to Alaska Press release, and I never received one, nor do I see anything posted in the newsroom of alaskaair.com
I'm inclined to dismiss this, until something comes from Alaska and/or Delta regarding this "announcement".
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 45661 times:
Quoting BlueBus (Reply 3): I am guessing they released at least one about the Salmon-30-Salmon II today. Plus I know the site is pretty legit.
Neither AS nor DL's website have any press releases in regards to a joint announcement Monday. A quick web search yielded only the referenced site as supporting it. I agree the site is legit ... but you've begun numerous threads linking back to it, and nearly all were started moments after the linked articles were posted. Thus, it's reasonable for me to conclude you have some type of affiliation with it.
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 5): I'm inclined to dismiss this, until something comes from Alaska and/or Delta regarding this "announcement".
I'd expect a press release in the morning. In the past, the OP/site linked to has demonstrated access to privileged information before it became public.
AirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45567 times:
Hey folks, I am the origional author of the story. I apologize, it was not a press release, but it was a media adivsory that was sent earlier today. Hence why it has not shown up on AS or DL website, nor in people's inboxes if they are signed up for press releases. I have updated my story.
According to the advisory, the announcement will be made at 9:30am PT on Monday the 8th at SEA.
I have reached out to quite a few of my inside connections at AS and DL and no one seems to know what this announcement will mean.
AirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45504 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 6): Thus, it's reasonable for me to conclude you have some type of affiliation with it.
Going to have to ask Dean (aka BlueBus) about that one. He is a fan and we have met a few times in Seattle, but he is not a writer or connected to my blog directly. I appriciate the support.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 626 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45271 times:
I would also guess that SEA-PVG will be announced, but there is definitely going to be more to this than just that. Maybe one or two other new routes and increased cooperation of some kind. They definitely wouldn't have both CEOs just for a few new routes.
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CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45133 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 11): I would also guess that SEA-PVG will be announced, but there is definitely going to be more to this than just that. Maybe one or two other new routes and increased cooperation of some kind. They definitely wouldn't have both CEOs just for a few new routes.
You'd think a media advisory for a "major announcement" would drum on speculation, but there's no evidence of such announcement on the Internet (not that I'm disputing it exists, as the site referenced has been credible, it just seems strange).
One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2315 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45104 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 7): Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
DL being the sole domestic codeshare for AS?
I thought AA codeshares with AS up and down the west coast?
Why would AS drop their largest code-share partner? Others have said that AA, not DL, is AS's largest and most lucrative code-share partner. Not sure if that is still true, but AS and AA have a pretty large partnership.
Given that AS's business model is partially based on strong code shares across two major alliances, it doesn't seem like a good long-term move to either give one side up (if they dropped AA, they'd probably have to drop QF and LA too - BA is non-existent as far as I'm concerned). Same goes for merging with DL. You've then just taken out a portion of AS's successful business model.
Let's hope it's SEA-PVG, or maybe even SEA-LHR with AS connections.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45018 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12): You'd think a media advisory for a "major announcement" would drum on speculation, but there's no evidence of such announcement on the Internet (not that I'm disputing it exists, as the site referenced has been credible, it just seems strange).
One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.
Just by reading what the OP said and his friend, this was a pre-curser so the announcement for the announcement (funny) will be made tomorrow.
Because it is being made on Monday morning, they have to let the news outlets know before the weekend.
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CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 44898 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15): ust by reading what the OP said and his friend, this was a pre-curser so the announcement for the announcement (funny) will be made tomorrow.
Because it is being made on Monday morning, they have to let the news outlets know before the weekend.
Well, in reply 8 he claimed it had already been sent out early Thursday.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 44882 times:
In response to everybody who is saying that itwill probably be more than a new route announcement, with whome I completely agree, could AS possibly be moving their NYC operations over to JFK? It would make more sense as they codeshare with both DL and AA and the codeshare with UA is now gone. Just a guess, though.
Also, I'm thinking it could be some kind of joint venture, as well.
"Let's hope it's SEA-PVG, or maybe even SEA-LHR with AS connections."
Hey, stranger things have happened! What would they operate the route with? Isn't their 764 fleet stretched pretty thin as it is? Or could they use a 763?
2) AS in set to get the first of their new 900ER's in the next couple of weeks. They are introducing new economy and First seat on the 900er's. Shown at the bottom of page one in the link below.
CONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 44841 times:
Interesting to see that the AS 739ERs will be N4XXAS registrations, rather then a continuation of the N3XXAS registrations currently used on the -900s.
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slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 44741 times:
Not that i doubt the thread starter but lets wait to see something OFFICIAL......this site has made it hard to belive anything. It could be something very minor or something huge but i need to see something official to even discuss hypotheticals at this point of a.net
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12564 posts, RR: 64 Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 44441 times:
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43901 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 16): Well, in reply 8 he claimed it had already been sent out early Thursday.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22): Going way into left field here but could it be DL picking up ground handling for AS stations that have mainline DL employees????
We shall see what Monday brings
That won't warrent the bosses of both airlines. Stuff like that is very "dime a dozen". DL employees already handle AS flights anyway. EWR, MSP, ATL..
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JetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 43894 times:
Possibly AS augmenting SEA-SLC and ANC-SLC? I know that SLC is on Alaska's "to do" list...
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smpplnohow2fly From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 44439 times:
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 2 Reply 27, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 44507 times:
A media advisory being issued advising the press that both CEO's will be together at Seattle for an announcement implies a strategic rather than operational link up, IMHO. I suspect they will be announcing creation of a full domestic with international hub in Seattle with fully integrated schedules between Alaska and Delta along with some new transpacific routes and perhaps a LHR route. I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands. Right now a Delta-Alaska JV on Hawaii rights in my opinion would have no problem getting approvals for a Hawaii service JV due to the number of competitors serving HI so the two airlines may as well work on rationalizing capacity.
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NWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 29, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 43009 times:
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22): Going way into left field here but could it be DL picking up ground handling for AS stations that have mainline DL employees????
That crossed my mind too...
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23): That won't warrent the bosses of both airlines. Stuff like that is very "dime a dozen". DL employees already handle AS flights anyway. EWR, MSP, ATL..
True, but not in one of AS' hubs. If this were to come to pass, my guess is that it would be one piece of a larger announcement.
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 25): As Oneworld are due to make an announcement in NYC on Monday also it must be that DL as AS are joining OW.
Lol.
Seriously, though; with the banter about DL & KE deepening their connection, maybe AS is the 3rd part of that?
Obviously just guesses...
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Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 30, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 42340 times:
Quoting BlueBus (Thread starter): Looks like Delta and Alaska will announce something big on Monday. Think it will be a merger? Lots of rumors about that. I also heard that Delta might base their 717s in Seattle. Could provide some interesting new routes that slot between AS 737s and Q400s.
No to merger and certainly no to 717s being based in SEA. Why in the world would AS be partner to DL putting mountains of new capacity in SEA? I doubt that AS exclusively will codeshare with DL, as it does nothing for AS.
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 42458 times:
A media advisory issued more than 24-hours ago advising that the CEO's of Delta & Alaska were to meet for an announcement would surely have garnered some attention in the media & financial market watchdogs by now. I've done some more digging and there's zero evidence that an advisory was even issued.
Quoting Coronado (Reply 27): I suspect they will be announcing creation of a full domestic with international hub in Seattle with fully integrated schedules between Alaska and Delta along with some new transpacific routes and perhaps a LHR route. I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands. Right now a Delta-Alaska JV on Hawaii rights in my opinion would have no problem getting approvals for a Hawaii service JV due to the number of competitors serving HI so the two airlines may as well work on rationalizing capacity.
If AS were to develop a relationship of that scope with DL, surely they'd have to drop their agreements with AA -- and I'm skeptical that will happen anytime soon. Domestic JV don't exist.
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28): Well, for my own personal reason, I hope they also announce RDU-SEA service.. long overdue.. but I digress..
I think you're onto something: the CEOs of DL and AS are meeting in SEA on Monday and have issued a media advisory about it -- because they intend on opening up SEA-RDU!!! Each airline will operate the route 3x per week. DL will use 763 for its flights, and AS 739 for its.
Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 32, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 42247 times:
avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 33, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 41968 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 27): I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands.
This is not going to happen, DOT and DOJ have long made clear that antitrust immunity will NOT be granted for domestic-focused cooperation by air carriers.
The prohibition on immunized cooperation in the US domestic market is wide-ranging. One example -- US air carriers granted ATI for international flying must take steps to ensure that they do not improperly share proprietary data with other US-based partners on pricing relating to the domestic legs of international journeys, since that data can affect pricing in the US domestic market.
The only way to cooperate more closely from a strategic standpoint, outside of expanding arms-length codesharing, co-location/usage of facilities, and perhaps bringing AS fully into SkyMiles, is to put forth a proposal to merge.
syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 34, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 41161 times:
Quoting avek00 (Reply 33): The only way to cooperate more closely from a strategic standpoint, outside of expanding arms-length codesharing, co-location/usage of facilities, and perhaps bringing AS fully into SkyMiles, is to put forth a proposal to merge.
And except for the later, I question if that would require both CEO's to announce.
KBJCpilot From United States of America, joined May 2012, 96 posts, RR: 8 Reply 36, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 40355 times:
Delta will be giving Alaska 2- 744's to use between SEA and HNL for the Hawaii flights. I heard it from a pilot who heard it from a mechanic who heard it from a janitor who emtpties the trash in the executive offices in Seattle.
Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 38, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 39883 times:
Quoting vatveng (Reply 35): With Delta currently the only U.S. member of Skyteam, could this be announcing that Alaska is going to join the alliance?
That sounds like a reasonable guess. Not sure if AS would still then codeshare with AA. I think they would want to.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 9 Reply 39, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 39601 times:
At this point could it be possible that DL would move domestic operations/int'l departures to the North Satellite? Or is that out of the question? I don't know if there'd be enough gates to go around but it would certainly seem to fit the bill of this big announcement. Other than that, I'm at a loss.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 40, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 39479 times:
I was trying to be optimistic but this is looking more and more like baloney.
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CONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 41, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 39493 times:
Quoting Airport (Reply 39): At this point could it be possible that DL would move domestic operations/int'l departures to the North Satellite? Or is that out of the question? I don't know if there'd be enough gates to go around but it would certainly seem to fit the bill of this big announcement. Other than that, I'm at a loss.
Not likely. At the moment I believe only N10 is a widebody capable gate, and once AS N to themselves, the plan is to add jetways to the current express gates of N12 & N13. I think they are also going to try to add another gate or 2 somewhere in between the existing gates.
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AirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0 Reply 42, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39335 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 31): A media advisory issued more than 24-hours ago advising that the CEO's of Delta & Alaska were to meet for an announcement would surely have garnered some attention in the media & financial market watchdogs by now. I've done some more digging and there's zero evidence that an advisory was even issued.
I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.
I 100% stand by that this is a legit story. I have no problem admitting I am incorrect when proven wrong.
Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 43, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38963 times:
One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s.
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 2 Reply 45, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38737 times:
This has to be a strategic announcement between Delta and Alaska, for Richard Anderson to show in Seattle on a Monday morning. Relocating terminals, or a significant ground handling contracts, etc are operational related.and probably would be handled at Delta by someone reporting to someone reporting to Ed Bastian. If it were a Skyteam related announcement I don't think RA would be out there since he is no longer on the Skyteam supervisory board. If an airline the size of Alaska were to join Skyteam, then the chairman of SkyTeam Leo Van Wijk would certainly be going to Seattle not Richard Anderson. (Having said that, an Alaska tie up would be huge news for Skyteam).
Maybe a Golden Share with Delta taking a stake in Alaska, similar to what Northwest had for a long time in Continental along with a formal strategic tie up to fully develop a joint domestic/international hub at Seattle??
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 46, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38544 times:
I think it's probably gonna be something important, not just a route, but I doubt it would be a merger or something. Probably just some increased cooperation. I'd say they might expand with them in LAX but they are meeting in SEA so it probably has something to do with SEA or just AS in general. I highly doubt it is a merger, and even if they wanted to merge, I think they'd move a lot closer to each other before tying the knot.
But that being said, there are many reasons why a DL+AS merger wouldn't be that good. Sure, DL could definitely benefit from it, but it would be taking only some valuable parts while a good chunk or majority would not work under DL's model and have to be gutted
syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 47, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38493 times:
Quoting drgmobile (Reply 44): Now this would make a lot of sense. I'd put money on this being it.
I agree this would make a lot of sense however this raises two questions for me:
1. Does Horizon have enough slack in their fleet to handle this?
2. Would this warrant Richard Anderson showing up?
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4682 posts, RR: 23 Reply 48, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38489 times:
With Delta currently the only U.S. member of Skyteam, could this be announcing that Alaska is going to join the alliance?
Well, there is the new SkyTeam "associate" platform, or whatever the official designation is. AS could very well be joining ST as an associate, and under that scenario I see no reason why the AS/AA relationship couldn't continue. That's the idea behind the new ST membership level, right?
syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 49, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 38425 times:
Quoting drgmobile (Reply 44): I don't think it could be a merger since, as publicly traded companies the duty to timely disclose material news would preclude waiting until Monday.
Another thought, they could still make an announcement before then and have a press event scheduled for Monday. But my guess is still on something short of a merger and/or SkyTeam membership.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5785 posts, RR: 2 Reply 50, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 38080 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 48): Well, there is the new SkyTeam "associate" platform, or whatever the official designation is. AS could very well be joining ST as an associate, and under that scenario I see no reason why the AS/AA relationship couldn't continue. That's the idea behind the new ST membership level, right?
The SkyTeam associate program has been discontinued for a while now, and all of the former associate members are now considered full members.
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Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 43): One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s
I think this is more probable than most of the other guesses, but as pointed out, does QX/AS have that many extra planes to take on that kind of flying, I'm speculating they do not, especially after the SAN experiment started. I think it has to be some hefty news for the big bosses to be making this announcement together. When was the last time two airline chiefs got together for a media announcement? UA & CO? Wasn't DL supposed to be making a big announcement 2 weeks ago or so, regarding new routes from Seattle? That didn't happen, so have fun speculating y'all.
Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 36): Delta will be giving Alaska 2- 744's to use between SEA and HNL for the Hawaii flights. I heard it from a pilot who heard it from a mechanic who heard it from a janitor who emtpties the trash in the executive offices in Seattle.
Very creative and funny stuff, that is how most of these things really get started.
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HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 52, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 37555 times:
Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 43): One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s.
Of everything else suggested in this thread, this makes the most sense for me.
Is there anyway that Horizon could use the same flights contracted under both DL and AS? I'm thinking of something similar to what Eagle used to do at LAX for DL and CO, but in that situation a DL passenger could not book, for example, a SAN-LAX local flight that did not connect to a DL flight continuing out of LAX.
woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1012 posts, RR: 3 Reply 53, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 37055 times:
Im going to be a little selfish and hope that part of the announcement is that DL will be coming back to FAI year round with SLC and MSP service daily. This would make getting out so much easier than always having to go through the bottleneck that IS Anchorage or always having to go through Seattle to get anywhere during the part of the year that DL doesnt operate in FAI. Back in the olden days they use to have2 flights a day all winter, one 727 and one 757 (and later both 757s) that mostly went through Anchorage but for years they did a SLC-JNU-FAI flight that was an old Western route.
And.....AS coming into SkyTeam would also be great!
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 54, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 35973 times:
Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 42): I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.
I 100% stand by that this is a legit story. I have no problem admitting I am incorrect when proven wrong
Thanks Ben. I guess we shall wait until Monday.
BTW, I think this HAS to be something big. It's only until now that i'm hearing anything about it. Although I'm not working today, I made a few calls to the G.O. and everyone's sort of just guessing. No one seems to have any good answers.
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bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 55, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 35060 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 51): Wasn't DL supposed to be making a big announcement 2 weeks ago or so, regarding new routes from Seattle? That didn't happen, so have fun speculating y'all.
Delta never said a word about an announcement two weeks ago. That was simply another pre announcement by A netters
Cessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 56, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 34821 times:
My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal.
avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 58, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 34288 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 45): Maybe a Golden Share with Delta taking a stake in Alaska, similar to what Northwest had for a long time in Continental along with a formal strategic tie up to fully develop a joint domestic/international hub at Seattle??
The DOJ frowned heavily upon the Continental/Northwest transaction (the Golden Share gentlemen's agreement was in fact made to avoid a suit by the DOJ to block the transaction), and made rather clear it would pursue an aggressive approach towards any efforts by competitors in the domestic marketplace to engage in any sort of collusive behavior.
The proper way (from a legal/regulatory) for two domestic network carriers to cooperate deeply, beyond arms length codesharing, co-location, and FF reciprocity/alliance membership, is to merge.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 61, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 33020 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 60): Quoting flyby519 (Reply 59):
AS exclusive codeshare with DL, bye bye AA.
Unlikely, IMO. AS' strength is the variety of code shares and Mileage Plan partners.
It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub. Plus, having a strong relationship with both DL and AA is a safety thing IMO. If DL wants to get aggressive or even try and buy AS, they'll have AA battle DL, in addition to the fact that buying AS would make AS less effective without the AA feed. And the same for AA trying to buy AS. Not saying it's fact, just my take on it.
But I can dream, it would be great to see DL being AS' domestic partner. I doubt it since AA recently got the go-ahead to codeshare more with AS IIRC
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 62, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32480 times:
I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance. AS probably couldn't join SkyTeam with its finger in two pies, but after QF/EK, anything seems possible.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 63, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32399 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62): but after QF/EK, anything seems possible.
Why does everyone treat this like it's the most unprecedented event in aviation history? I saw people losing their minds in those threads.
FlyASAguy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 64, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32307 times:
Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 56): My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal.
There would have to be something significant ALSO involving AS. Remember, their CEO will also be there. If it was just a Delta/SEA thing then perhaps Delta leadership and local government folk.
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crapper1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 65, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32272 times:
Ok ill jump in the pool here. I will put my money on AS joining Skyteam and AS codesharing more routes with DL. We dont have any info until Monday so anyones guess could be fair game
maybe they will fly SEA-CHS on a 767 nonstop ......ok way too far in left field though DL does have a big presence in CHS
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 66, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32234 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62): I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance.
Something like this makes sense.
I know plans are already out there for the AS-driven North Satellite expansion, but I wonder if Delta will perhaps join AS either there, or in renovated C or D gates as part of this.
alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4661 posts, RR: 45 Reply 67, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31925 times:
Lots of guessing going on here...seems like some may have hit the mark, or rather closely. Can't wait to hear what the final word is next week.
rgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 68, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31898 times:
Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 66): I know plans are already out there for the AS-driven North Satellite expansion, but I wonder if Delta will perhaps join AS either there, or in renovated C or D gates as part of this.
Short answer - no. POS has already laid out where everyone will end up, and while I don't recall the specifics of Delta, it definitely wasn't in C/D. C will continue to be AS/QX, and D will be several carriers, including AA and F9 IIRC. With DL international ops, its not likely DL would be ANYWHERE but S Concourse, because it is the only building with FIS. Additionally, No spots in D would work for widebody aircraft.
hiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 607 posts, RR: 1 Reply 69, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31852 times:
My guesses:
DL buying minority interest in AS
AS joining SkyTeam
DL expanding number of code-share flights with AS.
AS adding DTW and SLC (the latter served by QX)
New plan for expansion of N gates with DL moving to N, with Customs facility included.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 70, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 31036 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62): I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance.
I'm betting on something close to this as well, but anything could happen I suppose. International expansion from SEA by DL and domestic expansion to DL hubs by AS seem like likely possibilities...I suspect news of AS joining SkyTeam/ditching non-SkyTeam codeshares would have made its way into the rumor mill by now if it was being actively discussed, but you never know. A big increase in DL ops at SEA fed by AS is where my money is.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 71, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 30229 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 70): A big increase in DL ops at SEA fed by AS is where my money is.
I think too it will be "Delta and Alaska Air further strengthening ties" or something along those lines. Signing some sort of MOA/etc. Something that doesn't really need DOT/DOJ approval as it's nothing really official although its official. That would warrant both CEOs being there. Just symbolic.
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HNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 798 posts, RR: 0 Reply 72, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29885 times:
Skyteam is very unlikely. AS has proven to a master of multi relationships and would be unlikely to give that up. Perhaps taking over some domestic flying for DL. Could see DTW/SEA, CLT/SEA and perhaps SEA/HNL. DL has never been very excited about HI.
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AirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0 Reply 73, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29845 times:
alfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0 Reply 74, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29811 times:
If you are a betting man, you might want to put odds on:
DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);
DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA (since AS will be participating in the announcement, I
am guesing they will also have an investment there);
Other than that, I am not sure what AS's role will be, but their presence indicates some further ties with DL... we shall see...
cokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1102 posts, RR: 9 Reply 77, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29403 times:
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74): DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 78, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29167 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):
One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.
nah....the FL thing sit happens. I am fairly sure we just had one of these. It has however replaced the DC9 parking threads.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13): they'd probably have to drop QF and LA too
why?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17): In response to everybody who is saying that itwill probably be more than a new route announcement, with whome I completely agree, could AS possibly be moving their NYC operations over to JFK? It would make more sense as they codeshare with both DL and AA and the codeshare with UA is now gone. Just a guess, though.
Not sure why they would though? Maybe adding JFK, but i don't see why they would leave EWR.
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17): Also, I'm thinking it could be some kind of joint venture, as well.
they could use anything from a 747 to a 763.....but it would be pretty long for a 400ER.
Quoting gmcc (Reply 18): As for DL I do not have anything.
I do believe Delta is putting some money into S. They just did the new club and now i think they are putting a few M into the ticket lobby. Also Delta is putting ~150M into T5 at LAX.
Quoting Coronado (Reply 45): then the chairman of SkyTeam Leo Van Wijk would certainly be going to Seattle not Richard Anderson. (Having said that, an Alaska tie up would be huge news for Skyteam).
not really. If Wijk couldn't be there then Anderson could fill in. (and would likely be there if they were the sponsor)
I wouldn't see why they would....Delta isn't that much smaller at LA, hits a good bit of the western US markets and most of the others could be hit via SLC. It would mean some loss, but the bigger markets(IE HNL/SFO/PHX/NRT) would still have DL flights.
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rgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 79, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29081 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 78): I do believe Delta is putting some money into S. They just did the new club and now i think they are putting a few M into the ticket lobby. Also Delta is putting ~150M into T5 at LAX.
Maybe related to this thread, maybe not, but the ticket/check-in space, next to AS in SEA is under construction. Who is moving into that space? DL?
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 80, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29113 times:
Alaska to fly SLC-SEA seems overdue. I know they have Delta there with lots of seats but they are packed and i see so many SEA connections on those boards connecting to all the small cities on every flight. You know they are people wanting their alaska miles. Would be great to see the eskimos in SLC scenary in winter
questions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 81, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29877 times:
****BREAKING NEWS****
Richard Anderson, CEO, Delta Air Lines, will be in Seattle on Monday to announce a strategic partnership with Alaska Airlines. Delta Air Lines will announce a special licensing agreement with its long time business partner. Beginning in December Delta will offer Alaska Airlines' former "Mashed by Hand" Mashed Potatoes on its transcontinental Buy on Board menu. This menu option is part of Delta's new hot meal offerings on certain Delta flights. As part of the ceremony, Mr Anderson will accept a giant recipe card with the recipe for the potatoes that were served onboard Alaska Airlines flights for years. In return, Alaska Airlines will receive a portion of the proceeds. This is the first of several airline trademark licensing agreements Delta plans to utilize as it expands its popular Buy on Board program by offering trendy and retro menu items.
Richard Anderson, CEO, Delta Air Lines, will be in Seattle on Monday to announce a strategic partnership with Alaska Airlines. Delta Air Lines will announce a special licensing agreement with its long time business partner. Beginning in December Delta will offer Alaska Airlines' former "Mashed by Hand" Mashed Potatoes on its transcontinental Buy on Board menu. This menu option is part of Delta's new hot meal offerings on certain Delta flights. As part of the ceremony, Mr Anderson will accept a giant recipe card with the recipe for the potatoes that were served onboard Alaska Airlines flights for years. In return, Alaska Airlines will receive a portion of the proceeds. This is the first of several airline trademark licensing agreements Delta plans to utilize as it expands its popular Buy on Board program by offering trendy and retro menu items.
So let me get this straight, this big announcement is about freaking mashed potatoes?
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USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 84, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 28978 times:
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 68): Short answer - no. POS has already laid out where everyone will end up, and while I don't recall the specifics of Delta, it definitely wasn't in C/D.
I know that, but things change. If AS and DL are announcing an enhanced partnership, they may want to change that plan. It could certainly be done.
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 86, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 28850 times:
On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.
On the AS side, I don't know what they're going to announce
CONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 87, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 28817 times:
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86): On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.
That's very good news on the 747 coming back to SEA - NRT. It's been at least 9 years since a 747 has been on that route am I correct?
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jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 88, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28708 times:
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 87): That's very good news on the 747 coming back to SEA - NRT. It's been at least 9 years since a 747 has been on that route am I correct?
Since 2004, when SEA-NRT went to a 333 and then to a 332.
Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28619 times:
The social aspect of it. There was a pass through front t to back, it was very efficient for working, and when the service was done, it was a good dining/social area.
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 93, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28600 times:
but the question is why would it? In SEA, IIRC, one can get from S to the AS gates without having to reclear, Delta has been putting a good bit of money into S(including that new club) and S has FIS. I mean, if this was a spot like it was in LA where you had to bus or reclear and walk to get from one airline to the other then it would be a good idea....but with SEA set up the way it is.....doesn't seem to fit. (plus the fact of where Delta would fit....If they were to go on N then POS has to find gate space for AS that Delta takes up...)
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86):
On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.
FWIW i'd bet anything that *if* they get SEA-HND that NRT wont be a 747.
(and i know its loaded a 747 now, just sayin i wouldn't expect that to stay if HND happens.)
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USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 95, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 28417 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 94): but the question is why would it? In SEA, IIRC, one can get from S to the AS gates without having to reclear, Delta has been putting a good bit of money into S(including that new club) and S has FIS. I mean, if this was a spot like it was in LA where you had to bus or reclear and walk to get from one airline to the other then it would be a good idea....but with SEA set up the way it is.....doesn't seem to fit. (plus the fact of where Delta would fit....If they were to go on N then POS has to find gate space for AS that Delta takes up...)
I never said they would, or should, move. I was just spitballing, really. Based on the idea of a large tie-up between AS/DL, it would make some sense for their gates not to be at extreme opposite ends of the airport.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2123 posts, RR: 1 Reply 96, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 28451 times:
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74): If you are a betting man, you might want to put odds on:
DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);
DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA (since AS will be participating in the announcement, I
am guesing they will also have an investment there);
Other than that, I am not sure what AS's role will be, but their presence indicates some further ties with DL... we shall see...
Then perhaps they will have nothing in common on this other than promoting larger/newer intl arrivals areas. And AS might be expanding with many new nonstops to Mexican cities from SEA.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 97, posted (7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 28469 times:
Oh something i forgot to add....to be a bit of a buzz kill....DL is more limited on AS codesharing due to the new pilot contract. ie don't expect a huge new codeshare. (matter of fact start looking for less of DL's code on AS flights.)
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Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 99, posted (7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 28496 times:
Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98): Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :
Very cool news for those of us here in SEA, but if the rumors of both CEOs showing up in town on Monday are true, this upgauge is only one part of a larger development. It will be interesting to see if this means the end of 2x daily SEA-NRT in the summer. Looking forward to seeing what happens next week!
B777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 547 posts, RR: 0 Reply 101, posted (7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 28371 times:
Keyword: Codeshare. As in more codeshare flying for ASA by taking over routes previously operated by DL metal (thanks to the pilots at DL that voted for that in their new contract....hope you like the 717's you got in return!). ASA in return flying codeshare routes into SEA as DL ramps up the SEA base for more Pacific flying (as well as hoping that they get the HND slot they are trying for out of SEA). All-in-all, not that big a deal.
bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 103, posted (7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 27996 times:
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 67): Lots of guessing going on here...seems like some may have hit the mark, or rather closely. Can't wait to hear what the final word is next week.
As the old bard said "much ado about nothing" .
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 97): Oh something i forgot to add....to be a bit of a buzz kill....DL is more limited on AS codesharing due to the new pilot contract. ie don't expect a huge new codeshare. (matter of fact start looking for less of DL's code on AS flights.)
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2234 posts, RR: 8 Reply 104, posted (7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 27576 times:
Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98): Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :
A cool birthday present for me! Have never seen the 744 in DL livery - will definitely have the camera ready.
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74): DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA
Wow, just think what they can get for a whopping $200
Yes, I know that you left off "million", just having a little fun. Would be great if this were the case, SEA needs an upgrade for international services as more and more are being added - the South Satellite wasn't meant to handle the volume that's it's experiencing now.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 2 Reply 106, posted (7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 27522 times:
As DL has downsized CVG signficanatly, I suspect a joint press release at the CEO level might involve DL establishing a Pacific Northwest (PNW) hub/focus city at SEA in combination with the code share.
Another item which comes to mind is DL may be purchasing the fuel farm operations in ANC and or SEA. If memory serves me AS owns the fuel farm at ANC. Just last week the national biz media reported a potential strike by the fuelers in SEA of which 75% of their product goes to the airport.
If SEA looses its fuel or a reduction in ops occurs due to a strike outside of the airlines immediate control would hamper airline ops significantly. My thoughts come on the heels of DL interest in a a buy-in to the North Dakota oil operations. If memory serves me there is a jet fuel refinery in ANC and also in the PNW.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 108, posted (7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 27188 times:
Quoting B777ER (Reply 102): They are staying in the fleet until 2014.
Who told you that bit of info. There was a big fly-in very recently and the senior executives and TechOps higher ups said the sunset of the DC9s will be complete next year.
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I have to disagree with this. A domestic joint venture, similarly to a merger or an acquisition may be subject to a review by DOT and DOJ, but there is nothing intrinsically illegal about it. Only if this creates a monopoly or some other unfair consequences to consumers or creates overlaps which may require divestiture.
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SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 754 posts, RR: 1 Reply 112, posted (7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26495 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 99): It will be interesting to see if this means the end of 2x daily SEA-NRT in the summer. Looking forward to seeing what happens next week!
As far as 2-3 seasons back I can't remember 2x SEA-NRT flights, I'm sure it didn't happen either in 2011 or 2012 at least.
Wonder what would happen if SEA-HND gets approved, you'd have the 747+ 767 and NH's new flight, that would be a lot of extra capacity.
Here's hoping for something interesting on Monday !
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2167 posts, RR: 4 Reply 113, posted (7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26421 times:
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 55): Delta never said a word about an announcement two weeks ago. That was simply another pre announcement by A netters
Nor did I say DL said a word, I said wasn't DL supposed to be making an announcement in Seattle about 2 weeks ago?
referring to the thread 2 weeks ago, that nothing came of. Meaning, guess away, as nothing has come to fruition yet.
Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 56): My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal
Wouldn't have anything to do with AS, unless AS is putting a flight number of it's own on the DL flight, and even then would it take 2 CEO's to announce something so insignificant as that?
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 61): It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub.
Change LAX with SEA and you may have something closer to what is likely going to happen.
Why would it take 2 CEO's to announce that, they would just do it. I'm almost certain that SEA is going to see an Intl build up by DL, and AS is going to provide the feed for that, maybe AS taking on a few more destinations for feed.
I remember flying an L-1011 SEA-LAX in the mid 80's on DL, nice flight to and from LAX, connecting to PDX via SEA.
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86): On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.
On the AS side, I don't know what they're going to announce
Their own code share on DL flights to Europe and Asia from SEA.
Quoting B777ER (Reply 101): ASA in return flying codeshare routes into SEA as DL ramps up the SEA base for more Pacific flying (as well as hoping that they get the HND slot they are trying for out of SEA). All-in-all, not that big a deal.
ASA won't be up here in the Northwest fling for DL, QX/AS will do that, if not them then OO has been flying for DL out of SLC for lots of years, and for UA all over the Pacific Northwest, no need for another commuter line up here.
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GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 2 Reply 114, posted (7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 26139 times:
I also have a inkling it may have something to do with the north satellite; once a United strong hold. If memory serves me DL operates out of the "B" concourse. I can see DL moving to the north satellite with expanded Ops.
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Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 116, posted (7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 26135 times:
Delta moved to the south satellitecshortly after the NW acquisition. Occasionally some flights depart from the B concourse during the "noon balloon" of international flights. The North concourse couldn't handle Delta and Alaska's operations--especially midday. As well, it would needlessly complicate the operation by having to tow aircraft that arrive at the FIS facility in S and then depart from the North concourse. Yes, United does it now, but that is one flight a day. Delta has KIX, PEK, NRT, AMS, CDG, (rumored) PVG. Hard on customers, hard on operations. Plus, Delta just spent a pretty penny on a new skyclub in the South Satellite--it just opened within the past 24 months. Even airlines wouldn't be that foolish with their limited resources.
Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 120, posted (7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 25904 times:
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 119): $200 million from DL is what we hear
Well, that would indicate a major overhaul of the South Satellite, not a new terminal. The remodel of the North Satellite for AS is going to cost $230 million, including a new roof top lounge which DL has already done. I'mfine with a major remodel, but I hope it is MAJOR.
Probably right... but $200 million is only DL's contribution.
Just as an aside, I wonder what this means for SLC's future for international flights. SLC-NRT was an experiment that ended abruptly, so CDG (and Canadian cities vis OO) are all that remain. If DL really does grow exponentially in SEA, they probably will want more of their own metal domestically there, too... maybe...
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 124, posted (7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 25572 times:
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 114): I also have a inkling it may have something to do with the north satellite; once a United strong hold. If memory serves me DL operates out of the "B" concourse. I can see DL moving to the north satellite with expanded Ops.
DL hasn't operated out of B (on a regular basis, anyway) in years. They were at the end of A up until the finalization of the NW merger and are now (mostly) in S.
Not to pick on you personally, Gent, but is anyone actually reading this thread? DL will NOT be moving to N with AS. As others have already pointed out several times, there's no FIS facility, no widebody capacity save for one gate and for that matter, no room for anyone but AS once the remodel is complete. The whole point of AS moving into N was to acquire extra gate space and dedicated facilities for themselves. Sharing those facilities with an expanded DL operation totally defeats that purpose. An announcement such as a terminal co-location is also pretty small beans and hardly requires the presence of two airline CEOs at a mysterious press conference...
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5194 posts, RR: 2 Reply 126, posted (7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 25232 times:
Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 42): I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.
I got the media advisory in my email yesterday....seems legit to me.
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 127, posted (7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 25051 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 113): Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 61):
It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub.
Change LAX with SEA and you may have something closer to what is likely going to happen.
pqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 128, posted (7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 25139 times:
Richard Anderson was in Seattle a few times in early summer... I ran into him once on the elevator going up to our offices on the mezzanine. I asked him what he was out for and his response was "lots going on here in Seattle..."
Whatever it is has been in the works for at least a few months.
rgreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 131, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 24257 times:
Something else I keep thinking about is that Brad Tilden has only been the CEO for a couple months now. The timing of this, and the probability that whatever it is, has been in the works for a couple months, maybe it was something Bill Ayer wasn't willing to pursue. Maybe a new CEO means things that traditionally have not been part of Alaska's MO?
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 132, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 24133 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 109): I have to disagree with this. A domestic joint venture, similarly to a merger or an acquisition may be subject to a review by DOT and DOJ, but there is nothing intrinsically illegal about it. Only if this creates a monopoly or some other unfair consequences to consumers or creates overlaps which may require divestiture.
ok....still....a Domestic JV/ATI will happen right after I buy Delta with my own money.
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 121):
Just as an aside, I wonder what this means for SLC's future for international flights. SLC-NRT was an experiment that ended abruptly, so CDG (and Canadian cities vis OO) are all that remain. If DL really does grow exponentially in SEA, they probably will want more of their own metal domestically there, too... maybe...
nothing. SLC will never have a ton of international flights. At best its looking like NRT maybe LHR or AMS would be added.
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 133, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 24067 times:
I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 134, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 24008 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 133): I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though
Good points all-around. I'd be inclined to entertain the prospect of DL expanding internationally at SEA while cutting back domestically and letting AS pick up the slack for the reasons you mentioned, but it's worth remembering that AS doesn't have a ton of slack in their fleet at the moment and therefore doesn't have the ability to do something like say, throw some extra frequencies at ATL and MSP or starting up DTW, CVG, etc. to allow DL to pull back and send that metal elsewhere. I could see it being a very agreeable arrangement though...
Definitely eager to hear the announcement, there are several pretty reasonable and interesting possibilities out there.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 135, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23938 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 134): but it's worth remembering that AS doesn't have a ton of slack in their fleet at the moment and therefore doesn't have the ability to do something like say, throw some extra frequencies at ATL and MSP or starting up DTW, CVG, etc. to allow DL to pull back and send that metal elsewhere.
Oh, I didn't mean the hub-SEA flights. In many codeshares the 2 carriers will both operate hub to hub flights... without a JV (which doesn't seem like is allowed between DL and AS) these 2 airlines can't quite operate as one so it makes sense to keep a presence on hub routes. Going forward though, I see most international expansion by DL and domestic by AS. It will be interesting to see how much DL and AS can grow SEA.
Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26728 posts, RR: 83 Reply 136, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23877 times:
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 131): Maybe a new CEO means things that traditionally have not been part of Alaska's MO?
I am sure there will be differences, however I do not see a major change like AS pursuing a merger or formally entering an alliance (not that you were suggesting either).
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 138, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23811 times:
Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 137): Perhaps AS is moving from EWR to JFK or keeping EWR and adding JFK. I think SLC and DTW are likely as well.
Although this is not out of the realm of possibility (in fact, it's quite likely) would it call for having both CEOs in SEA? I think it'll be big. Not as big as many of us hope, but probably something more than a few routes. I mean you have large route announcements, sometimes with 15+ routes, where the CEO is not even involved. I fear it'll be something boring (in my opinion) like terminals... yawn
ANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 139, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23337 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 135): Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)
In response to your question not relating to the forthcoming announcement, with DL and AS strengthening ties I could see at PDX....
For DL in PDX, I could see the rumored PDX-CDG flight and maybe restarting PDX-HNL.
As for AS, may see additional PDX-ANC service, return of PDX-DEN, PDX-MCO, PDX-RNO, PDX-TUS, new routes:PDX-EWR, PDX-MIA, PDX-YYC, PDX-YEG?
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2167 posts, RR: 4 Reply 141, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23260 times:
Quoting Prost (Reply 140): Why would they have a press announcement in Seattle to announce new Portland service?
They wouldn't most likely, but Seattle is AS's operational HQ. I expect something along the lines of a stronger tie in together and a DL build up in SEA with AS feeding it, as many have speculated previously in this thread. CEO's would not be coming together to announce a route for either carrier.
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 142, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23207 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 135): Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)
Yes, but I doubt you'll be seeing much new from DL down there any time soon, especially if a big long-haul buildup at SEA is what's in the works. It's simply easier for DL to have PDX pax hop on a QX flight up to SEA and connect than it is to dedicate an entire airframe to a market right down the road that has limited long-haul potential.
Quoting Prost (Reply 140): Why would they have a press announcement in Seattle to announce new Portland service?
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 141): CEO's would not be coming together to announce a route for either carrier.
Pretty much it, though an expansion of the AS/DL relationship could eventually bear some fruit for PDX...time will tell.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2167 posts, RR: 4 Reply 143, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23160 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 142): Pretty much it, though an expansion of the AS/DL relationship could eventually bear some fruit for PDX...time will tell.
Yes that is a nice thought, as you said, time will tell, I hope your right.......
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1856 posts, RR: 7 Reply 145, posted (7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 23176 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 133): I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though
Alaska is a "legacy" carrier, the only one that has filed for Chapter 11. While their routes were originally limited to SEA and PDX to the 49th State before deregulation, they have operated up and down the west coast for a long time. I remember when they advertised "Four Jets per day to Anchorage" in Seattle. The four jets were one ONE Convair 880 with four jet engines. They were a really "wild" outfit to start with, but had a big charter business. They were one of the big contractors for the State of Israel that evacuated Jews from Muslim countries in the late 40's and 50's when the Jewish populations of Yemen and other Arab countries were considered threatened. Here is the story from Alaska Airlines website.
So I don't actually believe this is the case, but there was an order announced this last week from Boeing for 26 737Max aircraft...Airline was unidentified - maybe its going to be identified on Monday morning.
questions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 149, posted (7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 23087 times:
Hhmmm...
If DL expands their relationship with KE... then they could dismantle their NRT hub... and re-allocate aircraft to SEA-Asia flying... and use AS as western US feed... thereby strengthening the DL-AS relationship... and necessitating the two CEO's being together to make this grand announcement.
Lono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 151, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 23034 times:
Ok I think DL/AS will announce a joint hubs in SEA/SLC/MSP
DL will focus on international lift and AS will focus on domestic lift.
Along with more AS domestic flights into and out of SEA, AS will also add lift to and from Alaska state feeding DL hubs in SLC/MSP.
DL will then pull their metal to and from Alaska and possibly the DL SEA Hawaii flights leaving those flights for AS.......
I think DL will be but a memory here in Alaska soon.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 152, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 23081 times:
Was thinking about that myself. I have no idea, but it would certainly be at another station's expense...
Quoting questions (Reply 149): If DL expands their relationship with KE... then they could dismantle their NRT hub... and re-allocate aircraft to SEA-Asia flying... and use AS as western US feed... thereby strengthening the DL-AS relationship... and necessitating the two CEO's being together to make this grand announcement.
That's an interesting thought...I hadn't considered the timing of DL's cozying up more with KE with respect to this AS/SEA announcement.
Quoting Lono (Reply 151): Ok I think DL/AS will announce a joint hubs in SEA/SLC/MSP
DL will focus on international lift and AS will focus on domestic lift.
Along with more AS domestic flights into and out of SEA, AS will also add lift to and from Alaska state feeding DL hubs in SLC/MSP.
DL will then pull their metal to and from Alaska and possibly the DL SEA Hawaii flights leaving those flights for AS.......
I think DL will be but a memory here in Alaska soon.
An announcement of AS sending their metal elsewhere en masse hadn't occured to me...I doubt that will be the case given their lack of fleet flexability right now, but that would definitely be an interesting development.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 154, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22773 times:
Would like to see some new p2p routes out of SEA on DL metal to beef up the overall operation there and to create more feed for INTL flying. Routes like SEA-MSY/RDU/PIT/IND could all work, even if they are flown like 5X weekly for starters. I would have thrown BNA in there but WN already flies that, at least seasonally.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 155, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22753 times:
This is killing me!! I'm dying to find out what it actually ends up being!!
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 2 Reply 156, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22661 times:
An acquaintance who works at SEATAC seems to think the announcement directly involves SEA and MSP. I found nothing significant occurring in the PNW other than the possible labor strike of the fuel farm workers. I was hinted to think 1500 miles eastward. Because it involves DL my thoughts turned to MSP and the old NW hub. I found nothing significant occurring in MSP other than this courtesy of USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/videos/travel/flights/2012/09/28/1600225/
It seems if any significant announcement was pro MSP the two CEO would meet in MSP. Because the meeting is scheduled in SEA leads one to believe it should be pro SEA' unless the two CEO's are in the PNW to mitigate damage control.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
dl747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 157, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22458 times:
Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 148): So I don't actually believe this is the case, but there was an order announced this last week from Boeing for 26 737Max aircraft...Airline was unidentified - maybe its going to be identified on Monday morning.
That's not going to help DL or AS anytime soon, and they certainly would not be announcing any related routes 5 YEARS in advance. Not saying that AS couldn't be the airline ordering those 26 frames, but this announcement would not involve DL.
hiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 607 posts, RR: 1 Reply 158, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22427 times:
They're keeping this very tight on International Blvd here in SEA! Far as I can tell only VP level and above know the truth....mid-level managers are speculating like the rest of us. They're recruiting AS employees in uniform to attend the announcement/press event on Monday but not saying why they'll be there.
threeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0 Reply 159, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22377 times:
Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 137): Perhaps AS is moving from EWR to JFK or keeping EWR and adding JFK. I think SLC and DTW are likely as well.
DTW or SLC maybe, but switching EWR to JFK is a bad idea IMO. Three other airlines already fly SEA-JFK (DL, AA, B6), two of which are AS partners (for the moment at least) while only UA flies SEA-EWR. DL probably gets enough feed from its own 2-3x daily flights - certainly many of the pax on my SEA-JFK flight in February were connecting internationally.
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 156): An acquaintance who works at SEATAC seems to think the announcement directly involves SEA and MSP. I found nothing significant occurring in the PNW other than the possible labor strike of the fuel farm workers. I was hinted to think 1500 miles eastward. Because it involves DL my thoughts turned to MSP and the old NW hub. I found nothing significant occurring in MSP other than this courtesy of USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/videos/travel/flights/2012/09/28/1600225/ It seems if any significant announcement was pro MSP the two CEO would meet in MSP. Because the meeting is scheduled in SEA leads one to believe it should be pro SEA' unless the two CEO's are in the PNW to mitigate damage control.
Perhaps MSP-NRT is finished?
My best guess out of all of this is DL announcing a "Pacific Gateway"at SEA with enhanced feed from AS and improvements to the S gates & overcrowded FIS.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4544 posts, RR: 28 Reply 160, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22096 times:
When you go to the link that the OP provided, one of the comments was this one, which seems perhaps the most plausible scenario:
"Alaska will go into close partnership with DL. But at the same time CANCEL all codeshares with non-Sky Team carriers. So this is a major turn in strategy, over 10 codeshares with various airlines will be cancelled. AS as an independent airline that works with pretty much everybody is gone. This is of course done because DL is building SEA up as an Asia hub.
Better for Delta than Alaska and probably not good for SEA in the long run since non-Sky airlines leave the market internationally. SEA becomes dependent on DL and AS as well. Congratulations."
The other part referenced is "product enhancements", which I don't think has been fully addressed. Might this simply be a more seamless experience for customers traveling over Seattle? Perhaps to better align their products, Alaska will be adding an Economy+ section?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26728 posts, RR: 83 Reply 161, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22002 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 160): When you go to the link that the OP provided, one of the comments was this one, which seems perhaps the most plausible scenario...
AS Mileage Plan's core strength is the ability to earn and burn with so many other carriers, plus they receive elite member benefits on carriers like AA. If they become a de-facto Sky Team member and end their MP benefits and codeshares with QF, CX, EK and AA that may very well make AS less appealing.
Also, losing codeshares with AA means that AA will need to either build their own presence on the West Coast - which will make them another competitor to AS - or team up with someone like VX, which would strengthen them as an AS competitor.
B6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 162, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22002 times:
Could this also be something with QX ordering more Q400's and flying them for DL out of their hubs? This would be a product enhancement for DL Connection. In addition to this, they could announce the long rumored flights (PVG/CDG) from SEA.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 164, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22008 times:
I've seen a few things popping up:
Where will aircraft come from? Not sure on AS' end, but unless this is a HUGE operation springing up overnight, DL does have a very flexible fleet, especially in the winter months coming up. If they merely launch a few routes (which would be a nice addition) I think they wouldn't really need to pull aircraft off other routes
Closing down NRT: all we heard is DL wants to work more with KE... we don't know if that's more codesharing, a few more flights to ICN, or a full blown JV. Furthermore, NRT, ICN, and all of Asia is a pretty big market... who says they'll shut down the NRT operation just because ICN is close by? Look at how close CDG and AMS are, then throw in all of DL's LHR routes. They don't have a hub there by any means, but they have a pretty decent presence there. Barring any unseen problems with the NRT hub, I don't see a JV killing it
Using AS for domestic feed for MSP and SLC: I highly doubt that... that's putting a lot of eggs in AS. What if AS gets bought out by someone, cancels the agreement, etc? DL would have a bunch of feedless hubs and would have a very bad day. Plus, DL would have a lot less shots to be called, the domestic operations would be run by AS. The only way I that happening is a VERY close partnership, which might or might not be legal without a full blown merger (not a financial guru so who knows.)
Having QX fly for DL at SLC and/or MSP: I like that idea, however, I don't see why they'd meet at SEA for that. Plus, wouldn't it have been easier to use OO more, rather than contract out a wholly owned regional, Dash-8s or not?
I'm very excited... wasn't quite sure there was anything to this rumor, but I think it's safe to say something is going down. If only VPs and up know, it's gotta be something good... hope we aren't all disappointed!
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 165, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21958 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 160): The other part referenced is "product enhancements", which I don't think has been fully addressed. Might this simply be a more seamless experience for customers traveling over Seattle? Perhaps to better align their products, Alaska will be adding an Economy+ section?
These will include on the Delta side at least:
- 744 between SEA and NRT, which will provide flat-bed seats in J (currently angled-flat with the A333s)
- New BusinessElite service/product between SEA and JFK. The schedules updated over the weekend show 5x daily JFK-SEA service, with 4x operated by the BE-equipped 75E aircraft (same ones used as the JFK-LAX/SFO ones today), and 1x daily 767-300ER service with the flat-bed seating up front (code "76T" aircraft)
- Flat-bed BE availability on SEA-KIX, SEA-PEK, and SEA-CDG already starting this winter.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 2 Reply 166, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21897 times:
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 159): My best guess out of all of this is DL announcing a "Pacific Gateway"at SEA with enhanced feed from AS
That makes the most sense. With that said in my mind ANC would be a better choice for an international gateway to Asia as many of the flights fly the Aleutian chain route to the far east. ANC would also make over the pole flying a little less challenging.
If DL grows SEA one also wonder has to wonder what if anything might happen to SLC. I use the term hub loosely but would DL need a hub/focus city type operation in MSP, SLC and SEA?. The biz media as recently as last week was reporting airlines are reducing capacity. As planning goes the airlines could be looking 12-24-36 months out.
For the last fifteen or so years AS and AA were the best of buds. As a Alaska mileage member DL mileage tickets were hard to find even between SEA-ATL. I could get anywhere on AA using my AS redemption. The tide has apparently turned as DL now appears to be AS primary partner. I suppose because of Bill Ayers retirement.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 167, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21858 times:
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 166): With that said in my mind ANC would be a better choice for an international gateway to Asia as many of the flights fly the Aleutian chain route to the far east.
SEA is already a much larger operation than ANC, and being at the corner of the US, the diversion to SEA vs ANC isn't that big
SEA is not near SLC, and they are extremely different markets. We might be seeing an Asian gateway out of SEA, and SLC has exactly 0 Asian flights (I think, didn't SLC-NRT close?) Now if SLC was a gateway to Asia, yes, I'd see SEA as a threat. Plus, DEN and SLC are the prime spots for a Rockies hub... no other cities are good for this operation. SLC serves its purpose, and does so well
Again, MSP is nowhere near SEA (or SLC.) MSP is really the only hub up in that area and does a great job serving that region, along with Canada and some east-west traffic. The only way I see SEA affecting MSP (and DTW) is maybe some future Asia flights will go to SEA instead of these two hubs. Maybe in balancing the flights out, SEA may pick up a Asia flight from MSP or DTW, but I don't see SEA completely killing any hub.
Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 169, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21692 times:
I know one season NW had DC-10 service between ANC-NRT in the summer. The Japanese customers loved the service, a lot of tour groups and even some outdoorsy rustic hiker groups. I think seasonally, this would be a good add, take a slot from one of the several GUM/SPN out of NRT. Possibly also some ski season flights?
I'm glad to see SEA getting the JFK B/E service, this will differentiate DL on the route from B6 and AA, at least in the short term. I will say, if SEA is going to become a Pacific gateway, there is a lot of work that needs to be done in the terminal--more shops, eating choices, more gates that have direct access to FIS facilities, more luggage carousels in FIS, a solution to not having SEA customers need to recheck their bags after clearing customs. I don't know what part AS has to play in this, though.
Just throwing this idea out there, but is it possible AS would configure some of their fleet with a narrow body BE seat so the services are 'seamless' for the High Valued Customers?
yeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 526 posts, RR: 0 Reply 170, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21588 times:
Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 158): They're recruiting AS employees in uniform to attend the announcement/press event on Monday but not saying why they'll be there.
I would think this would confirm there is no chance of a merger. Nobody in their right mind would invite potentially pissed off employees to the big announcement.
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 159): My best guess out of all of this is DL announcing a "Pacific Gateway"at SEA with enhanced feed from AS and improvements to the S gates & overcrowded FIS.
Sounds good to me.
I'm going to go way out into fantasy land. AS/QX will announce a Q400 order and Q400 flights in Alaska starting in 2013. This will free up some mainline aircraft, which in conjunction with the 13 900ER aircraft by the end of 2013 will allow for increased feed into SEA. Maybe also announce lease extensions on the 3 400's planned for retirement next year.
yeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 526 posts, RR: 0 Reply 172, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21197 times:
Quoting Prost (Reply 169): I will say, if SEA is going to become a Pacific gateway, there is a lot of work that needs to be done in the terminal--more shops, eating choices, more gates that have direct access to FIS facilities, more luggage carousels in FIS, a solution to not having SEA customers need to recheck their bags after clearing customs. I don't know what part AS has to play in this, though.
How about the demolition and relocation to the north end of the airport of the AS Maintenance Hangars. This would allow for the expansion of the South Satellite.
The hangars are inadequate for the current fleet, let alone for the future. As it stands the East (old) hangar only fits 2 -400's or 1 NG with the tail sticking out. The West (new) hanger can fit 3 Ng's, but the wings overlap, so there is alot of aircraft jockeying to move planes each morning when they are trapped in the hangar.
SeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0 Reply 173, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21160 times:
tlhgator From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 174, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21352 times:
Looks like DL is sending a 747 to SEA tonight as a ferry for a "media event" ship 6302 should be leaving ATL about 6pm local.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 175, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20979 times:
Actually, as silly as that sounds, it is pretty interesting. DL is "rumored" to want to buy HA, everyone says AS and HA should merge for some reason, and it would be a very big announcement. Still don't think that will happen but it's an interesting thought
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4544 posts, RR: 28 Reply 176, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20848 times:
Thanks Panamair. So I guest the question is what role Alaska will play in the announcement? I get the importance of the feed, but is the CEO of AS going to be there for moral support? There must be a role for Alaska if he's gonna be a part of this I'd assume. Of course, that's an assumption.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 177, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20993 times:
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 166):
If DL grows SEA one also wonder has to wonder what if anything might happen to SLC. I use the term hub loosely but would DL need a hub/focus city type operation in MSP, SLC and SEA?. The biz media as recently as last week was reporting airlines are reducing capacity. As planning goes the airlines could be looking 12-24-36 months out.
Nothing will happen to SLC or MSP.
Even if Delta were to buy AS, Nothing would happen to them. Both deal with traffic flows that can't be replaced by SEA. Think about it this way, How much does UA's SFO hub hurt its DEN hub? very little because the traffic flows are different. What it would do is rule out any chance of SLC becoming a international gateway.....something that wont happen anyways.
Quoting yeelep (Reply 170):
I would think this would confirm there is no chance of a merger. Nobody in their right mind would invite potentially pissed off employees to the big announcement.
No merger is going to be announced Monday. As we have seen in the age of social media.....DL/AS couldn't keep all the talks under raps. As soon as it was talked about in Atlanta it would be all over the news. Delta wont be starting any more consolidation till AMR's future is more clear.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 891 posts, RR: 4 Reply 178, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20789 times:
Quoting tlhgator (Reply 174): Looks like DL is sending a 747 to SEA tonight as a ferry for a "media event" ship 6302 should be leaving ATL about 6pm local.
Delta 9931 due to arrive SEA at 1955. Spotters in SEA, get your cameras out.
hiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 607 posts, RR: 1 Reply 179, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20690 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 175): Actually, as silly as that sounds, it is pretty interesting. DL is "rumored" to want to buy HA, everyone says AS and HA should merge for some reason, and it would be a very big announcement. Still don't think that will happen but it's an interesting thought
My thought exactly! All these employees standing there..cameras rolling...as they drop some bombshell! It has to be something that is going to make those people happy, not make them shit their pants!
Quoting tlhgator (Reply 174): Looks like DL is sending a 747 to SEA tonight as a ferry for a "media event" ship 6302 should be leaving ATL about 6pm local.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 891 posts, RR: 4 Reply 180, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20707 times:
Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 179): My thought exactly! All these employees standing there..cameras rolling...as they drop some bombshell! It has to be something that is going to make those people happy, not make them shit their pants!
I love the thought of them announcing something completely heinous, like a merger or something, and everybody cursing and groaning and stomping away, completely pissed off. The movie in my head of that happening is pretty funny. Can't imagine it happening though.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 181, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20289 times:
Lono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 182, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20288 times:
"My thought exactly! All these employees standing there..cameras rolling...as they drop some bombshell! It has to be something that is going to make those people happy, not make them shit thier pants"
LOL good point! It has to be exciting for both carriers. The more I think of this the more I think DL leaving the state of Alaska has something to do with this announcement.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8600 posts, RR: 8 Reply 183, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20255 times:
Quoting Lono (Reply 182):
LOL good point! It has to be exciting for both carriers. The more I think of this the more I think DL leaving the state of Alaska has something to do with this announcement.
Delta isn't leaving Alaska.
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 184, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20187 times:
Quoting Lono (Reply 182): The more I think of this the more I think DL leaving the state of Alaska has something to do with this announcement.
Why would they do that? Point to a codeshare agreement where a carrier completely removes all flying to a partner carrier's hub city including flights to their own hubs. DL and AS are NOT interchangeable/one carrier through their agreement, that is the only way I'd see DL completely exiting a market. No doubt AS helps DL's feed but I don't think that DL would delay for a second the opportunity to have SEA completely DL and AS out of the picture, which isn't gonna happen (minus a buyout) so a partnership with AS makes a lot of sense. I don't see DL losing ground and let AS pick up Alaska flying, or providing feed to SLC or MSP (unless that feed is in addition not as a replacement)
Lono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 185, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20091 times:
DeltaMD90
I see DL doing this because their winter flights are minimal and they don't have many employees here that would be impacted. They have already lost all the ground they once had here....
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 186, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19959 times:
Quoting Prost (Reply 169): I'm glad to see SEA getting the JFK B/E service, this will differentiate DL on the route from B6 and AA, at least in the short term. I will say, if SEA is going to become a Pacific gateway, there is a lot of work that needs to be done in the terminal--more shops, eating choices, more gates that have direct access to FIS facilities, more luggage carousels in FIS, a solution to not having SEA customers need to recheck their bags after clearing customs. I don't know what part AS has to play in this, though.
Only a single flight between JFK & SEA will offer B/E equipment. And SEA is already a Pacific gateway - I expect DL to strategically add flights, but it's doubtful SEA will ever be a very large gateway. It's a small market (not much larger than DTW), superior transit options exist for Central/Eastern USA and only price-sensitive - and DL loyalists - from LAX & SFO would consider SEA. Additionally, the flights are spread out throughout the day at SEA so significant terminal improvements & expansion aren't necessary.
It appears the "big announcement" tomorrow will be DL showcasing off its 744 product and announcing new service to PVG.
Quote: Just throwing this idea out there, but is it possible AS would configure some of their fleet with a narrow body BE seat so the services are 'seamless' for the High Valued Customers?
Why? DL doesn't even offer this option for its HVC transiting through its other hubs.
Quote: I know one season NW had DC-10 service between ANC-NRT in the summer. The Japanese customers loved the service, a lot of tour groups and even some outdoorsy rustic hiker groups. I think seasonally, this would be a good add, take a slot from one of the several GUM/SPN out of NRT. Possibly also some ski season flights?
The service was operated on behalf of a tour operator and lasted for a single summer season (before the Asian economic crisis, IIRC) -- I seriously doubt it was successful.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8772 posts, RR: 13 Reply 187, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20018 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 186): Only a single flight between JFK & SEA will offer B/E equipment.
Looking at the July 1 2013 schedule, it's 4x 757-200 (in a BusinessElite configuration) plus one 767-300ER in a 36J configuration.
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 188, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19860 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 187): Looking at the July 1 2013 schedule, it's 4x 757-200 (in a BusinessElite configuration) plus one 767-300ER in a 36J configuration.
Interesting, the seat maps reflect the 75E although the corresponding amenity icons do not.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 190, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18777 times:
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 186): SEA is already a Pacific gateway - I expect DL to strategically add flights, but it's doubtful SEA will ever be a very large gateway. It's a small market (not much larger than DTW), superior transit options exist for Central/Eastern USA and only price-sensitive - and DL loyalists - from LAX & SFO would consider SEA.
You're missing the point insofar as an arrangement where AS domestic feeds DL Trans-Pac goes. If DL has a sizeable Trans-Pac operation at SEA with AS (and to a lesser extent, DL) feeding it, the size of the Seattle market on its own isn't a huge concern. SEA isn't that far out of the way for anyone flying from key DL markets to points in Asia, hence the speculation that DL is looking at expanding the int'l gateway at SEA.
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 186):
It appears the "big announcement" tomorrow will be DL showcasing off its 744 product and announcing new service to PVG.
There's absolutely no way that Anderson and Ayers would both be showing up to make what seems to be a very guarded announcement if that was the case. Either something much more significant is in the works or two airline CEOs have way too much time on their hands (or perhaps, a misguided flair for pageantry...)
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12564 posts, RR: 64 Reply 191, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18736 times:
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Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 192, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18708 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 191): Ayer wouldn't be there; he's no longer Alaska's CEO.
Brad Tilden, on the other hand...
I was coming back to edit, but you caught me. Ouch!
bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 194, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18400 times:
A Delta pilot has predicted on the airline pilots forum that AS and DL will jointly announce the purchase of a salmon farm and a Starbucks franchise to keep down meal costs on their flights. Makes as much sense as some of the wild ideas being thrown about on this board.
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 195, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17600 times:
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 194): A Delta pilot has predicted on the airline pilots forum that AS and DL will jointly announce the purchase of a salmon farm and a Starbucks franchise to keep down meal costs on their flights.
Since Starbucks also owns Seattle's Second Best, the coffee currently served by DL, I ponder if they're making this move in attempt to transition toward the Starbucks brand, or if they intend to sell the Starbucks brand to UA and keep Seattle's Second Best.
Other rumored DL service enhancements:
- Go Go Juice will be added to the Eats menu. Go Go Juice was popularized by Georgia native Alana Thompson on cable's highest rated show 'Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.'
- Atlanta resident Tyler Perry's popular character Madea will replace Deltalina on a brand-new safety video.
- The Atlanta Braves have been hired by DL to teach it how to make a quick exit, thereby expediting service.
UA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 196, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17327 times:
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 2 Reply 197, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17349 times:
After thinking about it I think both airlines will announce the construction of a new joint Gateway terminal at SEA, sort of on the scale of the McNamara terminal at DTW and announce a full code share for their operations out of Seattle. Their joint target is actually UA down the coast in SFO.
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jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 198, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17360 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 190): There's absolutely no way that Anderson and Ayers would both be showing up to make what seems to be a very guarded announcement if that was the case. Either something much more significant is in the works or two airline CEOs have way too much time on their hands (or perhaps, a misguided flair for pageantry...)
Putting on a show is what DL is very good at, even for the small stuff. Working here, you find that out very quickly. I can almost guarantee that there really isn't anything more than a simple announcement. It's not an earth-shattering event, rather something that's been in the works for a long time. So there really isn't anything more than just announcement of new service that has long-since been speculated for awhile now.
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 199, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17377 times:
Quoting UA767400 (Reply 196): What time is the announcement expected?
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 200, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17268 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 197): After thinking about it I think both airlines will announce the construction of a new joint Gateway terminal at SEA, sort of on the scale of the McNamara terminal at DTW and announce a full code share for their operations out of Seattle. Their joint target is actually UA down the coast in SFO.
SEA is too geographically challenged to ever support such an operation. And local traffic to/from Asia is only slightly larger than that of DTW -- in others, way, way less than SFO. SEA would remain an inferior connecting point for traffic in the Central/Eastern USA.
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 190): You're missing the point insofar as an arrangement where AS domestic feeds DL Trans-Pac goes. If DL has a sizeable Trans-Pac operation at SEA with AS (and to a lesser extent, DL) feeding it, the size of the Seattle market on its own isn't a huge concern. SEA isn't that far out of the way for anyone flying from key DL markets to points in Asia, hence the speculation that DL is looking at expanding the int'l gateway at SEA.
The "speculation" is that DL's seeking two additional flights (PVG and HND). People living in the Central & Eastern USA already have superior connecting options available to them than SEA; SEA will serve as DL's link from the West to Asia. Establishing a full-scale Pacific hub at SEA would be an incredibly costly, risky venture -- and not one DL's likely going to take on.
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 190): There's absolutely no way that Anderson and Ayers would both be showing up to make what seems to be a very guarded announcement if that was the case. Either something much more significant is in the works or two airline CEOs have way too much time on their hands (or perhaps, a misguided flair for pageantry...)
Huh? DL & AS did send out the media advisories, although some got it on Thursday and most others Friday. It's not a "very guarded announcement" -- it's one the media choose to ignore, mainly because it's much ado about nothing.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 201, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17234 times:
UA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 202, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17341 times:
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 203, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17319 times:
Hahahahahahaha! Medea giving the on board announcements! That would be classic! "Now shiut the hell up and get dem kids in the safety belt. Don't turn on the electrical devices or I'm gonna slap the hell outta you. Emergency exits are here, there, and back yonder. Lastly, don't piss me off or I'll have to pull out my gun and shoot ya. Now have a safe flight, okay?"
syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 204, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16771 times:
TeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 507 posts, RR: 0 Reply 205, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16455 times:
Hi All,
While I envision that it will not be that monumental of an announcement, looking forward to hearing about it.
In regards to timing, AirlineReporter tweeted 9.30 AM PST:
David Parker Brown@AirlineReporter
@AlaskaAir and @Delta CEOs to announce new service, product enhancements in @SeaTacAirport market at 9:30a PT today.
Regards,
Team
Since 2010: DL, KL, AF, WX, IG, FR , FL, U2, AK, BA, OK, UX
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 206, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15609 times:
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 198): can almost guarantee that there really isn't anything more than a simple announcement. It's not an earth-shattering event, rather something that's been in the works for a long time. So there really isn't anything more than just announcement of new service that has long-since been speculated for awhile now.
Agreed, and I don't think DL and AS have tried to make it anything bigger than that. The media advisory clearly states "new service and product enhancements" - and that's exactly what we're going to get. It doesn't say they will announce anything "strategic", etc. But of course in typical a.net fashion, many people have whipped themselves into such a frenzy with notions of a merger, or AS joining Skyteam, etc.that the only outcome can be disappointment for these folks.....
Tomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 660 posts, RR: 1 Reply 207, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15264 times:
Major system failure currently at AS system wide affecting check in, Res and boarding. A cut in a fiber optics connection with Sprint. It could be hours until it's remedied. I wonder if the announcement will be postponed? Wouldn't look too good to be making speeches when your company is not moving any customers.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26728 posts, RR: 83 Reply 208, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14940 times:
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 207): I wonder if the announcement will be postponed?
They spent time and money to assemble the staff and press, so I do not see them canceling it.
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 207): Wouldn't look too good to be making speeches when your company is not moving any customers.
Due to a failure of one of their service providers (which I expect is also affecting others), not because of an internal failure.
bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 209, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14961 times:
Neither AS or DL have said this is going to a "big" announcement. We are now up to 207 messages predicting all sorts of scenarios. Isn't our imagination running out of control again. Jetjack is right, it will be an announcement of new service and product enhancments
stlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8981 posts, RR: 27 Reply 210, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15277 times:
The announcement came to me via my work email.
Alaska/Delta proposing Seattle - Shanghai and Henada.
Delta doing 747-400 to Narita.
Additional JFK to SEA on DL.
Upgrades to business elite, etc.
New Delta Sky Club.
More details to come.
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Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 2 Reply 211, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15525 times:
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 212, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15354 times:
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 469 posts, RR: 0 Reply 213, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14923 times:
Well it's 0930 Pacific time, do we have anybody in the audience in SEA to tell us what all this is about.
runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 39 Reply 214, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14459 times:
rwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 216, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14362 times:
Well, the big release is here. Exciting to see PVG finally announced. I think this route will do well for them, both with O&D and connecting pax. Good to see service enhancements as well - the improvements to the JFK route are welcome.
SEA is at least the second-most comprehensive connecting hub on the west coast in terms of domestic destinations served and the frequencies offered. I think that this international gateway will continue to grow.
I would think that they must have a good shot if they wanted to go and make this announcement. I'm personally curious though how the SEA-TYO market can grow overnight from 1x A333 daily to 1x 744 and 1x 767. I think that the Haneda service will only be appealing to local pax given the arrival/departure times in Tokyo. If I lived in LAX/SFO/etc., I would prefer a direct flight with a longer drive than a connection and late night arrival/departure to a more convenient airport. That said, the HND times for this flight would be much better than the DTW schedule.
klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 217, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13803 times:
Quoting runway23 (Reply 214): I wonder if their announcement won't annoy the DOT and lead to them digging their grave for that application.
Just the opposite. This was obviously intended to encourage the DOT to look at their request in a more positive light. It shows they are committed to making the route work.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 218, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13661 times:
Quoting runway23 (Reply 214): I wonder if their announcement won't annoy the DOT and lead to them digging their grave for that application.
Airlines do it all the time and doesn't mean that they will screw anything up. All they have to do is add the "pending government approval" tag.
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runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 39 Reply 219, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13653 times:
Quoting klkla (Reply 217): Just the opposite. This was obviously intended to encourage the DOT to look at their request in a more positive light. It shows they are committed to making the route work.
I'm not so sure. If I were the DOT I would see it as DL trying to force my hand.
The 747 on SEA-NRT reminds me of when DL applied for DTW/LAX-HND with 744s and largely won those based on the promised capacity. It seems DL is trying to put a positive light on their SEA operation, does that 744 on SEA-NRT make financial sense, time will tell.
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