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Alaska And Delta Have Big Announcement In SEA Mon  
User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48860 times:

Looks like Delta and Alaska will announce something big on Monday. Think it will be a merger? Lots of rumors about that. I also heard that Delta might base their 717s in Seattle. Could provide some interesting new routes that slot between AS 737s and Q400s.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/...s-alaska-and-delta-up-to-in-seatt/

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User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48778 times:

Joint venture? DL being the sole domestic codeshare for AS?

I don't have an idea. This is kind of out of left field. I'm guessing 200 posts by Monday Morning.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48691 times:

EDIT: In the interest of fair disclosure, it certainly appears the OP is affiliated with the aforementioned website. As of yet, AS has not issued a press release but I suspect the OP received a copy of one that will be published tomorrow.

- Unless the author received a copy of a press releases intended for tomorrow morning, Alaska did not issue a press release today.

- DL does not "base" aircraft at specific hubs. The 717 were acquired for a specific purpose - to back-fill capacity currently being operated with legions of CRJ, specifically at ATL & DTW. These aircraft will not be making appearances at SEA anytime soon.

- We can safely rule out a merger, since -- well, those types of things don't work this way.

- At best it's an expanded code/revenue share agreement and/or new service to PVG.

[Edited 2012-10-04 20:42:07]


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User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48626 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
Alaska did not issue a press release today.

I am guessing they released at least one about the Salmon-30-Salmon II today. Plus I know the site is pretty legit.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
- At best it's an expanded code/revenue share agreement and/or new service to PVG.

Is that really worth both CEO's making a joint announcement? I would think it would be more than that.


User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48554 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
EDIT: In the interest of fair disclosure, it certainly appears the OP is affiliated with the aforementioned website. As of yet, AS has not issued a press release but I suspect the OP received a copy of one that will be published tomorrow.

I emailed the site owner to get clarification. I know he has an A.net account, but doesn't use it much.

[Edited 2012-10-04 20:47:32]

User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48404 times:

Quote:
Today Alaska Airlines sent out a press release stating that their CEO, Brad Tilden, and Delta Air Lines CEO, Richard Anderson, will make a joint announcement on Monday about, “new service, product enhancements in Seattle.” What does that mean exactly? I am not sure.

What press release? I subscribe to Alaska Press release, and I never received one, nor do I see anything posted in the newsroom of alaskaair.com

I'm inclined to dismiss this, until something comes from Alaska and/or Delta regarding this "announcement".


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48342 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Reply 3):
I am guessing they released at least one about the Salmon-30-Salmon II today. Plus I know the site is pretty legit.

Neither AS nor DL's website have any press releases in regards to a joint announcement Monday. A quick web search yielded only the referenced site as supporting it. I agree the site is legit ... but you've begun numerous threads linking back to it, and nearly all were started moments after the linked articles were posted. Thus, it's reasonable for me to conclude you have some type of affiliation with it.

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 5):
I'm inclined to dismiss this, until something comes from Alaska and/or Delta regarding this "announcement".

I'd expect a press release in the morning. In the past, the OP/site linked to has demonstrated access to privileged information before it became public.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4471 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48244 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
DL being the sole domestic codeshare for AS?

I thought AA codeshares with AS up and down the west coast?


User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48248 times:

Hey folks, I am the origional author of the story. I apologize, it was not a press release, but it was a media adivsory that was sent earlier today. Hence why it has not shown up on AS or DL website, nor in people's inboxes if they are signed up for press releases. I have updated my story.

According to the advisory, the announcement will be made at 9:30am PT on Monday the 8th at SEA.

I have reached out to quite a few of my inside connections at AS and DL and no one seems to know what this announcement will mean.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48215 times:

I was just guessing. Nothing more, nothing less. (this is in response to post #7)

[Edited 2012-10-04 21:10:17]

User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 48185 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 6):
Thus, it's reasonable for me to conclude you have some type of affiliation with it.

Going to have to ask Dean (aka BlueBus) about that one. He is a fan and we have met a few times in Seattle, but he is not a writer or connected to my blog directly. I appriciate the support.

David


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47952 times:

I would also guess that SEA-PVG will be announced, but there is definitely going to be more to this than just that. Maybe one or two other new routes and increased cooperation of some kind. They definitely wouldn't have both CEOs just for a few new routes.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47815 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 11):
I would also guess that SEA-PVG will be announced, but there is definitely going to be more to this than just that. Maybe one or two other new routes and increased cooperation of some kind. They definitely wouldn't have both CEOs just for a few new routes.

You'd think a media advisory for a "major announcement" would drum on speculation, but there's no evidence of such announcement on the Internet (not that I'm disputing it exists, as the site referenced has been credible, it just seems strange).

One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47785 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
DL being the sole domestic codeshare for AS?

I thought AA codeshares with AS up and down the west coast?

Why would AS drop their largest code-share partner? Others have said that AA, not DL, is AS's largest and most lucrative code-share partner. Not sure if that is still true, but AS and AA have a pretty large partnership.

Given that AS's business model is partially based on strong code shares across two major alliances, it doesn't seem like a good long-term move to either give one side up (if they dropped AA, they'd probably have to drop QF and LA too - BA is non-existent as far as I'm concerned). Same goes for merging with DL. You've then just taken out a portion of AS's successful business model.

Let's hope it's SEA-PVG, or maybe even SEA-LHR with AS connections.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47695 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):

Again, it was just a WAG. Not based on any inside information whatsoever.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47699 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):
You'd think a media advisory for a "major announcement" would drum on speculation, but there's no evidence of such announcement on the Internet (not that I'm disputing it exists, as the site referenced has been credible, it just seems strange).

One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.

Just by reading what the OP said and his friend, this was a pre-curser so the announcement for the announcement (funny) will be made tomorrow.

Because it is being made on Monday morning, they have to let the news outlets know before the weekend.



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47580 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
ust by reading what the OP said and his friend, this was a pre-curser so the announcement for the announcement (funny) will be made tomorrow.

Because it is being made on Monday morning, they have to let the news outlets know before the weekend.

Well, in reply 8 he claimed it had already been sent out early Thursday.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47563 times:

In response to everybody who is saying that itwill probably be more than a new route announcement, with whome I completely agree, could AS possibly be moving their NYC operations over to JFK? It would make more sense as they codeshare with both DL and AA and the codeshare with UA is now gone. Just a guess, though.

Also, I'm thinking it could be some kind of joint venture, as well.

"Let's hope it's SEA-PVG, or maybe even SEA-LHR with AS connections."

Hey, stranger things have happened! What would they operate the route with? Isn't their 764 fleet stretched pretty thin as it is? Or could they use a 763?


User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47560 times:

Well the site does say produce enhancements. Two things come to mind for AS.

1) The work AS and the Port of Seattle are going to be doing in the North Satellite. I think the image in the link below is what they are going for.

http://www.hok.com/design/type/aviat...ttle-tacoma-international-airport/

2) AS in set to get the first of their new 900ER's in the next couple of weeks. They are introducing new economy and First seat on the 900er's. Shown at the bottom of page one in the link below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seahawks7757/

As for DL I do not have anything.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47522 times:

Interesting to see that the AS 739ERs will be N4XXAS registrations, rather then a continuation of the N3XXAS registrations currently used on the -900s.


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 47422 times:

Not that i doubt the thread starter but lets wait to see something OFFICIAL......this site has made it hard to belive anything. It could be something very minor or something huge but i need to see something official to even discuss hypotheticals at this point of a.net

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Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47122 times:
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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46756 times:

Going way into left field here but could it be DL picking up ground handling for AS stations that have mainline DL employees????

We shall see what Monday brings



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 46583 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 16):
Well, in reply 8 he claimed it had already been sent out early Thursday.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22):
Going way into left field here but could it be DL picking up ground handling for AS stations that have mainline DL employees????

We shall see what Monday brings

That won't warrent the bosses of both airlines. Stuff like that is very "dime a dozen". DL employees already handle AS flights anyway. EWR, MSP, ATL..



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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 46575 times:

Possibly AS augmenting SEA-SLC and ANC-SLC? I know that SLC is on Alaska's "to do" list...

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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 48018 times:

As Oneworld are due to make an announcement in NYC on Monday also it must be that DL as AS are joining OW.   

User currently offlinesmpplnohow2fly From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 47122 times:

Horizon taking on some of the 64/76 seat flying?


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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 47193 times:
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A media advisory being issued advising the press that both CEO's will be together at Seattle for an announcement implies a strategic rather than operational link up, IMHO. I suspect they will be announcing creation of a full domestic with international hub in Seattle with fully integrated schedules between Alaska and Delta along with some new transpacific routes and perhaps a LHR route. I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands. Right now a Delta-Alaska JV on Hawaii rights in my opinion would have no problem getting approvals for a Hawaii service JV due to the number of competitors serving HI so the two airlines may as well work on rationalizing capacity.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 45831 times:

Well, for my own personal reason, I hope they also announce RDU-SEA service.. long overdue.. but I digress..


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 45695 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 22):
Going way into left field here but could it be DL picking up ground handling for AS stations that have mainline DL employees????

That crossed my mind too...

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
That won't warrent the bosses of both airlines. Stuff like that is very "dime a dozen". DL employees already handle AS flights anyway. EWR, MSP, ATL..

True, but not in one of AS' hubs. If this were to come to pass, my guess is that it would be one piece of a larger announcement.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 25):
As Oneworld are due to make an announcement in NYC on Monday also it must be that DL as AS are joining OW.

Lol.

Seriously, though; with the banter about DL & KE deepening their connection, maybe AS is the 3rd part of that?

Obviously just guesses...



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User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 45026 times:

Quoting BlueBus (Thread starter):
Looks like Delta and Alaska will announce something big on Monday. Think it will be a merger? Lots of rumors about that. I also heard that Delta might base their 717s in Seattle. Could provide some interesting new routes that slot between AS 737s and Q400s.

No to merger and certainly no to 717s being based in SEA. Why in the world would AS be partner to DL putting mountains of new capacity in SEA? I doubt that AS exclusively will codeshare with DL, as it does nothing for AS.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 45144 times:

A media advisory issued more than 24-hours ago advising that the CEO's of Delta & Alaska were to meet for an announcement would surely have garnered some attention in the media & financial market watchdogs by now. I've done some more digging and there's zero evidence that an advisory was even issued.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 27):
I suspect they will be announcing creation of a full domestic with international hub in Seattle with fully integrated schedules between Alaska and Delta along with some new transpacific routes and perhaps a LHR route. I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands. Right now a Delta-Alaska JV on Hawaii rights in my opinion would have no problem getting approvals for a Hawaii service JV due to the number of competitors serving HI so the two airlines may as well work on rationalizing capacity.

If AS were to develop a relationship of that scope with DL, surely they'd have to drop their agreements with AA -- and I'm skeptical that will happen anytime soon. Domestic JV don't exist.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
Well, for my own personal reason, I hope they also announce RDU-SEA service.. long overdue.. but I digress..

I think you're onto something: the CEOs of DL and AS are meeting in SEA on Monday and have issued a media advisory about it -- because they intend on opening up SEA-RDU!!! Each airline will operate the route 3x per week. DL will use 763 for its flights, and AS 739 for its.

[Edited 2012-10-05 08:11:49]


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User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 44933 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 31):

Youre probably right, plus a JV would require either DOT or DOJ approval. They could do that of course.


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 44654 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 27):
I also see a JV between Delta and Seattle for operations to Hawaii so they can right size equipment, seasonally, between west coast airports and the islands.

This is not going to happen, DOT and DOJ have long made clear that antitrust immunity will NOT be granted for domestic-focused cooperation by air carriers.

The prohibition on immunized cooperation in the US domestic market is wide-ranging. One example -- US air carriers granted ATI for international flying must take steps to ensure that they do not improperly share proprietary data with other US-based partners on pricing relating to the domestic legs of international journeys, since that data can affect pricing in the US domestic market.

The only way to cooperate more closely from a strategic standpoint, outside of expanding arms-length codesharing, co-location/usage of facilities, and perhaps bringing AS fully into SkyMiles, is to put forth a proposal to merge.



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User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2033 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 43847 times:
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Quoting avek00 (Reply 33):
The only way to cooperate more closely from a strategic standpoint, outside of expanding arms-length codesharing, co-location/usage of facilities, and perhaps bringing AS fully into SkyMiles, is to put forth a proposal to merge.

And except for the later, I question if that would require both CEO's to announce.


User currently offlinevatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42987 times:

With Delta currently the only U.S. member of Skyteam, could this be announcing that Alaska is going to join the alliance?


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User currently offlineKBJCpilot From United States of America, joined May 2012, 176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 43041 times:

Delta will be giving Alaska 2- 744's to use between SEA and HNL for the Hawaii flights. I heard it from a pilot who heard it from a mechanic who heard it from a janitor who emtpties the trash in the executive offices in Seattle.   


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User currently offlinePSA1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42576 times:
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Why didn't American dive into their alliance with Alaska like Delta has? From what I recall, AA discontinued SEA-NRT, and have no idea why.

User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42569 times:

Quoting vatveng (Reply 35):
With Delta currently the only U.S. member of Skyteam, could this be announcing that Alaska is going to join the alliance?

That sounds like a reasonable guess. Not sure if AS would still then codeshare with AA. I think they would want to.


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Reply 39, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42287 times:

At this point could it be possible that DL would move domestic operations/int'l departures to the North Satellite? Or is that out of the question? I don't know if there'd be enough gates to go around but it would certainly seem to fit the bill of this big announcement. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42165 times:

I was trying to be optimistic but this is looking more and more like baloney.


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User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42179 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 39):
At this point could it be possible that DL would move domestic operations/int'l departures to the North Satellite? Or is that out of the question? I don't know if there'd be enough gates to go around but it would certainly seem to fit the bill of this big announcement. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

Not likely. At the moment I believe only N10 is a widebody capable gate, and once AS N to themselves, the plan is to add jetways to the current express gates of N12 & N13. I think they are also going to try to add another gate or 2 somewhere in between the existing gates.



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User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 42021 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 31):
A media advisory issued more than 24-hours ago advising that the CEO's of Delta & Alaska were to meet for an announcement would surely have garnered some attention in the media & financial market watchdogs by now. I've done some more digging and there's zero evidence that an advisory was even issued.

I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.

I 100% stand by that this is a legit story. I have no problem admitting I am incorrect when proven wrong.

David


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41649 times:

One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s.

User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41384 times:

I don't think it could be a merger since, as publicly traded companies the duty to timely disclose material news would preclude waiting until Monday.

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 43):
One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s.

Now this would make a lot of sense. I'd put money on this being it.


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Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41423 times:
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Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 42):
I 100% stand by that this is a legit story.

This has to be a strategic announcement between Delta and Alaska, for Richard Anderson to show in Seattle on a Monday morning. Relocating terminals, or a significant ground handling contracts, etc are operational related.and probably would be handled at Delta by someone reporting to someone reporting to Ed Bastian. If it were a Skyteam related announcement I don't think RA would be out there since he is no longer on the Skyteam supervisory board. If an airline the size of Alaska were to join Skyteam, then the chairman of SkyTeam Leo Van Wijk would certainly be going to Seattle not Richard Anderson. (Having said that, an Alaska tie up would be huge news for Skyteam).

Maybe a Golden Share with Delta taking a stake in Alaska, similar to what Northwest had for a long time in Continental along with a formal strategic tie up to fully develop a joint domestic/international hub at Seattle??



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41230 times:

I think it's probably gonna be something important, not just a route, but I doubt it would be a merger or something. Probably just some increased cooperation. I'd say they might expand with them in LAX but they are meeting in SEA so it probably has something to do with SEA or just AS in general. I highly doubt it is a merger, and even if they wanted to merge, I think they'd move a lot closer to each other before tying the knot.

But that being said, there are many reasons why a DL+AS merger wouldn't be that good. Sure, DL could definitely benefit from it, but it would be taking only some valuable parts while a good chunk or majority would not work under DL's model and have to be gutted



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Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41179 times:
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Quoting drgmobile (Reply 44):
Now this would make a lot of sense. I'd put money on this being it.

I agree this would make a lot of sense however this raises two questions for me:

1. Does Horizon have enough slack in their fleet to handle this?

2. Would this warrant Richard Anderson showing up?


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41175 times:

Quoting vatveng (Reply 35):


With Delta currently the only U.S. member of Skyteam, could this be announcing that Alaska is going to join the alliance?

Well, there is the new SkyTeam "associate" platform, or whatever the official designation is. AS could very well be joining ST as an associate, and under that scenario I see no reason why the AS/AA relationship couldn't continue. That's the idea behind the new ST membership level, right?



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User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2033 posts, RR: 10
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41111 times:
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Quoting drgmobile (Reply 44):
I don't think it could be a merger since, as publicly traded companies the duty to timely disclose material news would preclude waiting until Monday.

Another thought, they could still make an announcement before then and have a press event scheduled for Monday. But my guess is still on something short of a merger and/or SkyTeam membership.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 40766 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 48):
Well, there is the new SkyTeam "associate" platform, or whatever the official designation is. AS could very well be joining ST as an associate, and under that scenario I see no reason why the AS/AA relationship couldn't continue. That's the idea behind the new ST membership level, right?

The SkyTeam associate program has been discontinued for a while now, and all of the former associate members are now considered full members.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 40736 times:

Quoting smpplnohow2fly (Reply 26):
Horizon taking on some of the 64/76 seat flying?
Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 43):
One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s

I think this is more probable than most of the other guesses, but as pointed out, does QX/AS have that many extra planes to take on that kind of flying, I'm speculating they do not, especially after the SAN experiment started. I think it has to be some hefty news for the big bosses to be making this announcement together. When was the last time two airline chiefs got together for a media announcement? UA & CO? Wasn't DL supposed to be making a big announcement 2 weeks ago or so, regarding new routes from Seattle? That didn't happen, so have fun speculating y'all.

Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 36):
Delta will be giving Alaska 2- 744's to use between SEA and HNL for the Hawaii flights. I heard it from a pilot who heard it from a mechanic who heard it from a janitor who emtpties the trash in the executive offices in Seattle.

Very creative and funny stuff, that is how most of these things really get started.



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 40238 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 43):
One possibility is that Horizon might start flying for DL on the west coast and SLC using DH4s.

Of everything else suggested in this thread, this makes the most sense for me.

Is there anyway that Horizon could use the same flights contracted under both DL and AS? I'm thinking of something similar to what Eagle used to do at LAX for DL and CO, but in that situation a DL passenger could not book, for example, a SAN-LAX local flight that did not connect to a DL flight continuing out of LAX.


User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39738 times:

Im going to be a little selfish and hope that part of the announcement is that DL will be coming back to FAI year round with SLC and MSP service daily. This would make getting out so much easier than always having to go through the bottleneck that IS Anchorage or always having to go through Seattle to get anywhere during the part of the year that DL doesnt operate in FAI. Back in the olden days they use to have2 flights a day all winter, one 727 and one 757 (and later both 757s) that mostly went through Anchorage but for years they did a SLC-JNU-FAI flight that was an old Western route.

And.....AS coming into SkyTeam would also be great!


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 54, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 38656 times:

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 42):
I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.

I 100% stand by that this is a legit story. I have no problem admitting I am incorrect when proven wrong

Thanks Ben. I guess we shall wait until Monday.

BTW, I think this HAS to be something big. It's only until now that i'm hearing anything about it. Although I'm not working today, I made a few calls to the G.O. and everyone's sort of just guessing. No one seems to have any good answers.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 37743 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 51):
Wasn't DL supposed to be making a big announcement 2 weeks ago or so, regarding new routes from Seattle? That didn't happen, so have fun speculating y'all.

Delta never said a word about an announcement two weeks ago. That was simply another pre announcement by A netters


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 37504 times:

My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 37456 times:

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 53):
And.....AS coming into SkyTeam would also be great!

Hmmm.... Might be onto something there!



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 58, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 36971 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 45):
Maybe a Golden Share with Delta taking a stake in Alaska, similar to what Northwest had for a long time in Continental along with a formal strategic tie up to fully develop a joint domestic/international hub at Seattle??

The DOJ frowned heavily upon the Continental/Northwest transaction (the Golden Share gentlemen's agreement was in fact made to avoid a suit by the DOJ to block the transaction), and made rather clear it would pursue an aggressive approach towards any efforts by competitors in the domestic marketplace to engage in any sort of collusive behavior.

The proper way (from a legal/regulatory) for two domestic network carriers to cooperate deeply, beyond arms length codesharing, co-location, and FF reciprocity/alliance membership, is to merge.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 36559 times:

AS exclusive codeshare with DL, bye bye AA.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 60, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 35712 times:
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Quoting flyby519 (Reply 59):
AS exclusive codeshare with DL, bye bye AA.

Unlikely, IMO. AS' strength is the variety of code shares and Mileage Plan partners.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 61, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 35703 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 60):
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 59):
AS exclusive codeshare with DL, bye bye AA.

Unlikely, IMO. AS' strength is the variety of code shares and Mileage Plan partners.

It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub. Plus, having a strong relationship with both DL and AA is a safety thing IMO. If DL wants to get aggressive or even try and buy AS, they'll have AA battle DL, in addition to the fact that buying AS would make AS less effective without the AA feed. And the same for AA trying to buy AS. Not saying it's fact, just my take on it.

But I can dream, it would be great to see DL being AS' domestic partner. I doubt it since AA recently got the go-ahead to codeshare more with AS IIRC



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 35163 times:

I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance. AS probably couldn't join SkyTeam with its finger in two pies, but after QF/EK, anything seems possible.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 63, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 35082 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62):
but after QF/EK, anything seems possible.

Why does everyone treat this like it's the most unprecedented event in aviation history? I saw people losing their minds in those threads.



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User currently offlineFlyASAguy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 64, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34990 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 56):
My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal.



There would have to be something significant ALSO involving AS. Remember, their CEO will also be there. If it was just a Delta/SEA thing then perhaps Delta leadership and local government folk.



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User currently offlinecrapper1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34955 times:

Ok ill jump in the pool here. I will put my money on AS joining Skyteam and AS codesharing more routes with DL. We dont have any info until Monday so anyones guess could be fair game

maybe they will fly SEA-CHS on a 767 nonstop ......ok way too far in left field though DL does have a big presence in CHS


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 66, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34917 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62):
I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance.

Something like this makes sense.

I know plans are already out there for the AS-driven North Satellite expansion, but I wonder if Delta will perhaps join AS either there, or in renovated C or D gates as part of this.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 67, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34608 times:

Lots of guessing going on here...seems like some may have hit the mark, or rather closely. Can't wait to hear what the final word is next week.

 



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 34581 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 66):
I know plans are already out there for the AS-driven North Satellite expansion, but I wonder if Delta will perhaps join AS either there, or in renovated C or D gates as part of this.

Short answer - no. POS has already laid out where everyone will end up, and while I don't recall the specifics of Delta, it definitely wasn't in C/D. C will continue to be AS/QX, and D will be several carriers, including AA and F9 IIRC. With DL international ops, its not likely DL would be ANYWHERE but S Concourse, because it is the only building with FIS. Additionally, No spots in D would work for widebody aircraft.

[Edited 2012-10-05 17:22:51]

User currently offlinehiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 34535 times:

My guesses:

DL buying minority interest in AS
AS joining SkyTeam
DL expanding number of code-share flights with AS.
AS adding DTW and SLC (the latter served by QX)
New plan for expansion of N gates with DL moving to N, with Customs facility included.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 70, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33719 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 62):
I will place my bet on an international route announcement by DL as well as some sort of expansion of codeshares that will effectively make SEA a major focus city for DL (like LGA/JFK) and increase domestic feed for AS. If AS/DL were merging, we would have heard about it months if not years in advance.

I'm betting on something close to this as well, but anything could happen I suppose. International expansion from SEA by DL and domestic expansion to DL hubs by AS seem like likely possibilities...I suspect news of AS joining SkyTeam/ditching non-SkyTeam codeshares would have made its way into the rumor mill by now if it was being actively discussed, but you never know. A big increase in DL ops at SEA fed by AS is where my money is.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 71, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32912 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 70):
A big increase in DL ops at SEA fed by AS is where my money is.



I think too it will be "Delta and Alaska Air further strengthening ties" or something along those lines. Signing some sort of MOA/etc. Something that doesn't really need DOT/DOJ approval as it's nothing really official although its official. That would warrant both CEOs being there. Just symbolic.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32568 times:

Skyteam is very unlikely. AS has proven to a master of multi relationships and would be unlikely to give that up. Perhaps taking over some domestic flying for DL. Could see DTW/SEA, CLT/SEA and perhaps SEA/HNL. DL has never been very excited about HI.


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User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32528 times:

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 69):

Looking at the advisory, the even is happening in the S terminal. I doubt AS would be moving over since they just announced so many changes in N.

David


User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32494 times:

If you are a betting man, you might want to put odds on:

DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);

DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA (since AS will be participating in the announcement, I
am guesing they will also have an investment there);

Other than that, I am not sure what AS's role will be, but their presence indicates some further ties with DL... we shall see...


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 75, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32312 times:

I'm going to bet on ATI, so that a joint-venture can be formed for transpacific services.

[Edited 2012-10-05 20:38:59]

User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 31923 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 75):

That could very well be AS's role, and would definitely explain a cooperative effort in building the new terminal.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 77, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32087 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74):
DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);

worst kept secret lol


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 78, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 31851 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):

One thing's for certain: rumored "big" Delta announcements in Seattle have replaced the rumored "big" AirTran announcements of a.net yesteryear.

nah....the FL thing sit happens. I am fairly sure we just had one of these. It has however replaced the DC9 parking threads.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
they'd probably have to drop QF and LA too

why?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
In response to everybody who is saying that itwill probably be more than a new route announcement, with whome I completely agree, could AS possibly be moving their NYC operations over to JFK? It would make more sense as they codeshare with both DL and AA and the codeshare with UA is now gone. Just a guess, though.

Not sure why they would though? Maybe adding JFK, but i don't see why they would leave EWR.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
Also, I'm thinking it could be some kind of joint venture, as well.

not legal

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
Or could they use a 763?

they could use anything from a 747 to a 763.....but it would be pretty long for a 400ER.

Quoting gmcc (Reply 18):
As for DL I do not have anything.

I do believe Delta is putting some money into S. They just did the new club and now i think they are putting a few M into the ticket lobby. Also Delta is putting ~150M into T5 at LAX.

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 24):

I'd love to see Delta add some metal on SEA-LAX.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 27):

and that is all after the DOT and DoJ shut down.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 31):
Domestic JV don't exist.

and never will

Quoting avek00 (Reply 33):

this.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 45):
then the chairman of SkyTeam Leo Van Wijk would certainly be going to Seattle not Richard Anderson. (Having said that, an Alaska tie up would be huge news for Skyteam).

not really. If Wijk couldn't be there then Anderson could fill in. (and would likely be there if they were the sponsor)

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 56):

would be a 763 to start and would see a upgrade at HNL before this.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 61):

I wouldn't see why they would....Delta isn't that much smaller at LA, hits a good bit of the western US markets and most of the others could be hit via SLC. It would mean some loss, but the bigger markets(IE HNL/SFO/PHX/NRT) would still have DL flights.



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 31765 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 78):
I do believe Delta is putting some money into S. They just did the new club and now i think they are putting a few M into the ticket lobby. Also Delta is putting ~150M into T5 at LAX.


Maybe related to this thread, maybe not, but the ticket/check-in space, next to AS in SEA is under construction. Who is moving into that space? DL?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31797 times:

Alaska to fly SLC-SEA seems overdue. I know they have Delta there with lots of seats but they are packed and i see so many SEA connections on those boards connecting to all the small cities on every flight. You know they are people wanting their alaska miles. Would be great to see the eskimos in SLC scenary in winter

User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32564 times:

****BREAKING NEWS****

Richard Anderson, CEO, Delta Air Lines, will be in Seattle on Monday to announce a strategic partnership with Alaska Airlines. Delta Air Lines will announce a special licensing agreement with its long time business partner. Beginning in December Delta will offer Alaska Airlines' former "Mashed by Hand" Mashed Potatoes on its transcontinental Buy on Board menu. This menu option is part of Delta's new hot meal offerings on certain Delta flights. As part of the ceremony, Mr Anderson will accept a giant recipe card with the recipe for the potatoes that were served onboard Alaska Airlines flights for years. In return, Alaska Airlines will receive a portion of the proceeds. This is the first of several airline trademark licensing agreements Delta plans to utilize as it expands its popular Buy on Board program by offering trendy and retro menu items.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31774 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 81):
****BREAKING NEWS****

Richard Anderson, CEO, Delta Air Lines, will be in Seattle on Monday to announce a strategic partnership with Alaska Airlines. Delta Air Lines will announce a special licensing agreement with its long time business partner. Beginning in December Delta will offer Alaska Airlines' former "Mashed by Hand" Mashed Potatoes on its transcontinental Buy on Board menu. This menu option is part of Delta's new hot meal offerings on certain Delta flights. As part of the ceremony, Mr Anderson will accept a giant recipe card with the recipe for the potatoes that were served onboard Alaska Airlines flights for years. In return, Alaska Airlines will receive a portion of the proceeds. This is the first of several airline trademark licensing agreements Delta plans to utilize as it expands its popular Buy on Board program by offering trendy and retro menu items.

So let me get this straight, this big announcement is about freaking mashed potatoes?



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31613 times:

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 82):

Pretty sure that was an attempt at humor.


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 84, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31662 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 68):
Short answer - no. POS has already laid out where everyone will end up, and while I don't recall the specifics of Delta, it definitely wasn't in C/D.

I know that, but things change. If AS and DL are announcing an enhanced partnership, they may want to change that plan. It could certainly be done.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31639 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 83):
Pretty sure that was an attempt at humor.

LMAO I was about to say pretty stupid to have this big old announcement about food.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 86, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31536 times:
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On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.

On the AS side, I don't know what they're going to announce



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User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31502 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86):
On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.

That's very good news on the 747 coming back to SEA - NRT. It's been at least 9 years since a 747 has been on that route am I correct?



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 88, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31392 times:
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Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 87):
That's very good news on the 747 coming back to SEA - NRT. It's been at least 9 years since a 747 has been on that route am I correct?

Since 2004, when SEA-NRT went to a 333 and then to a 332.



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User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31428 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 88):
Since 2004, when SEA-NRT went to a 333 and then to a 332.

Okay so the FAs must be happy to get work the 747 out of SEA again. It would be nice to see 7 & 8 as those flights #s again.



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User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31352 times:

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 89):
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 89):

7/8 was always a -200, not a -400. The door 4 galley on the -200 is what made that flight.


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31262 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 90):
The door 4 galley on the -200 is what made that flight.

Why?


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31303 times:

The social aspect of it. There was a pass through front t to back, it was very efficient for working, and when the service was done, it was a good dining/social area.

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 93, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31284 times:
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Quoting questions (Reply 91):
Why?

Because of how it was configured. Had a pass-thru counter space, and made serving so much easier.

And yes, 7/8 were almost always a 742, sometimes a 400 would pass through every now and then



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 94, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31124 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 84):

but the question is why would it? In SEA, IIRC, one can get from S to the AS gates without having to reclear, Delta has been putting a good bit of money into S(including that new club) and S has FIS. I mean, if this was a spot like it was in LA where you had to bus or reclear and walk to get from one airline to the other then it would be a good idea....but with SEA set up the way it is.....doesn't seem to fit. (plus the fact of where Delta would fit....If they were to go on N then POS has to find gate space for AS that Delta takes up...)

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86):

On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.

FWIW i'd bet anything that *if* they get SEA-HND that NRT wont be a 747.

(and i know its loaded a 747 now, just sayin i wouldn't expect that to stay if HND happens.)



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 95, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31101 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 94):
but the question is why would it? In SEA, IIRC, one can get from S to the AS gates without having to reclear, Delta has been putting a good bit of money into S(including that new club) and S has FIS. I mean, if this was a spot like it was in LA where you had to bus or reclear and walk to get from one airline to the other then it would be a good idea....but with SEA set up the way it is.....doesn't seem to fit. (plus the fact of where Delta would fit....If they were to go on N then POS has to find gate space for AS that Delta takes up...)

I never said they would, or should, move. I was just spitballing, really. Based on the idea of a large tie-up between AS/DL, it would make some sense for their gates not to be at extreme opposite ends of the airport.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31135 times:
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Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74):
If you are a betting man, you might want to put odds on:

DL will start SEA-PVG in March (SEA-based crews have been quietly told this over the past two weeks);

DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA (since AS will be participating in the announcement, I
am guesing they will also have an investment there);

Other than that, I am not sure what AS's role will be, but their presence indicates some further ties with DL... we shall see...

Then perhaps they will have nothing in common on this other than promoting larger/newer intl arrivals areas. And AS might be expanding with many new nonstops to Mexican cities from SEA.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 97, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31153 times:

Oh something i forgot to add....to be a bit of a buzz kill....DL is more limited on AS codesharing due to the new pilot contract. ie don't expect a huge new codeshare. (matter of fact start looking for less of DL's code on AS flights.)


yep.
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31391 times:

Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/06/dl-seanrt-jun13/



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 99, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31180 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98):
Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :

Very cool news for those of us here in SEA, but if the rumors of both CEOs showing up in town on Monday are true, this upgauge is only one part of a larger development. It will be interesting to see if this means the end of 2x daily SEA-NRT in the summer. Looking forward to seeing what happens next week!

[Edited 2012-10-06 02:09:57]


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31049 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 99):

Good news for SEA indeed but maybe a bad sign for the requested SEA - HND route that DL hope.



Ok I am French but I am not on strike
User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31055 times:

Keyword: Codeshare. As in more codeshare flying for ASA by taking over routes previously operated by DL metal (thanks to the pilots at DL that voted for that in their new contract....hope you like the 717's you got in return!). ASA in return flying codeshare routes into SEA as DL ramps up the SEA base for more Pacific flying (as well as hoping that they get the HND slot they are trying for out of SEA). All-in-all, not that big a deal.

User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31126 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 78):
It has however replaced the DC9 parking threads.

They are staying in the fleet until 2014.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 103, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 30680 times:

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 67):
Lots of guessing going on here...seems like some may have hit the mark, or rather closely. Can't wait to hear what the final word is next week.

As the old bard said "much ado about nothing" .

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 97):
Oh something i forgot to add....to be a bit of a buzz kill....DL is more limited on AS codesharing due to the new pilot contract. ie don't expect a huge new codeshare. (matter of fact start looking for less of DL's code on AS flights.)

You have been reading APC again.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2528 posts, RR: 7
Reply 104, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 30260 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98):
Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :

A cool birthday present for me! Have never seen the 744 in DL livery - will definitely have the camera ready.

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 74):
DL will invest $200 in a new international terminal in SEA

Wow, just think what they can get for a whopping $200  
Yes, I know that you left off "million", just having a little fun. Would be great if this were the case, SEA needs an upgrade for international services as more and more are being added - the South Satellite wasn't meant to handle the volume that's it's experiencing now.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 30188 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 90):
7/8 was always a -200, not a -400. The door 4 galley on the -200 is what made that flight.

Oh I knew that. In fact I was on 6626 NW73 and 6635 NW8 back on March 10th & 11th 2003.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 30206 times:

As DL has downsized CVG signficanatly, I suspect a joint press release at the CEO level might involve DL establishing a Pacific Northwest (PNW) hub/focus city at SEA in combination with the code share.

Another item which comes to mind is DL may be purchasing the fuel farm operations in ANC and or SEA. If memory serves me AS owns the fuel farm at ANC. Just last week the national biz media reported a potential strike by the fuelers in SEA of which 75% of their product goes to the airport.

If SEA looses its fuel or a reduction in ops occurs due to a strike outside of the airlines immediate control would hamper airline ops significantly. My thoughts come on the heels of DL interest in a a buy-in to the North Dakota oil operations. If memory serves me there is a jet fuel refinery in ANC and also in the PNW.



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User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 30146 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 104):

$200 million it is!

Maybe $200 in Seattle in Lewis and Clark's day...


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 108, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 29872 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 102):
They are staying in the fleet until 2014.

Who told you that bit of info. There was a big fly-in very recently and the senior executives and TechOps higher ups said the sunset of the DC9s will be complete next year.



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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 29672 times:
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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 78):
not legal

I have to disagree with this. A domestic joint venture, similarly to a merger or an acquisition may be subject to a review by DOT and DOJ, but there is nothing intrinsically illegal about it. Only if this creates a monopoly or some other unfair consequences to consumers or creates overlaps which may require divestiture.



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User currently offlinexlc From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 29555 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 104):
A cool birthday present for me! Have never seen the 744 in DL livery

ATL 29 July 2009


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 29249 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 108):

I understand (not with DL so I dont have access myself) it's on November Crew Resources update on Deltanet - Crew Resources and Scheduling.


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 29179 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 99):
It will be interesting to see if this means the end of 2x daily SEA-NRT in the summer. Looking forward to seeing what happens next week!

As far as 2-3 seasons back I can't remember 2x SEA-NRT flights, I'm sure it didn't happen either in 2011 or 2012 at least.

Wonder what would happen if SEA-HND gets approved, you'd have the 747+ 767 and NH's new flight, that would be a lot of extra capacity.

Here's hoping for something interesting on Monday !


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 113, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 29105 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 55):
Delta never said a word about an announcement two weeks ago. That was simply another pre announcement by A netters

Nor did I say DL said a word, I said wasn't DL supposed to be making an announcement in Seattle about 2 weeks ago?
referring to the thread 2 weeks ago, that nothing came of. Meaning, guess away, as nothing has come to fruition yet.

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 56):
My money is on announcing a SEA-FUK nonstop on DL using A332 metal

Wouldn't have anything to do with AS, unless AS is putting a flight number of it's own on the DL flight, and even then would it take 2 CEO's to announce something so insignificant as that?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 61):
It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub.

Change LAX with SEA and you may have something closer to what is likely going to happen.

Quoting HNL-Jack" class="quote" target="_blank">HNL-Jack (Reply 72):
Perhaps taking over some domestic flying for DL. Could see DTW/SEA, CLT/SEA and perhaps SEA/HNL. DL has never been very excited about HI.

Why would it take 2 CEO's to announce that, they would just do it. I'm almost certain that SEA is going to see an Intl build up by DL, and AS is going to provide the feed for that, maybe AS taking on a few more destinations for feed.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 78):
I'd love to see Delta add some metal on SEA-LAX.

I remember flying an L-1011 SEA-LAX in the mid 80's on DL, nice flight to and from LAX, connecting to PDX via SEA.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86):
On the DL side, this will be the SEA-PVG route rumor I previously posted 2 weeks ago. And also, SEA-NRT will bump up to 747 starting in April.

On the AS side, I don't know what they're going to announce

Their own code share on DL flights to Europe and Asia from SEA.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 101):
ASA in return flying codeshare routes into SEA as DL ramps up the SEA base for more Pacific flying (as well as hoping that they get the HND slot they are trying for out of SEA). All-in-all, not that big a deal.

ASA won't be up here in the Northwest fling for DL, QX/AS will do that, if not them then OO has been flying for DL out of SLC for lots of years, and for UA all over the Pacific Northwest, no need for another commuter line up here.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 28823 times:

I also have a inkling it may have something to do with the north satellite; once a United strong hold. If memory serves me DL operates out of the "B" concourse. I can see DL moving to the north satellite with expanded Ops.


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User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 28803 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 86):

Just a minor correction: SEA-NRT goes 744 on June 1st


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 28819 times:

Delta moved to the south satellitecshortly after the NW acquisition. Occasionally some flights depart from the B concourse during the "noon balloon" of international flights. The North concourse couldn't handle Delta and Alaska's operations--especially midday. As well, it would needlessly complicate the operation by having to tow aircraft that arrive at the FIS facility in S and then depart from the North concourse. Yes, United does it now, but that is one flight a day. Delta has KIX, PEK, NRT, AMS, CDG, (rumored) PVG. Hard on customers, hard on operations. Plus, Delta just spent a pretty penny on a new skyclub in the South Satellite--it just opened within the past 24 months. Even airlines wouldn't be that foolish with their limited resources.

User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 28761 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 116):

Think "new international terminal"...


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 28745 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 117):
Think new International terminal...

Oh, but I don't dare to have such grandiose dreams. You mean...a terminal that would make me proud to fly in to My hometown? Say it ain't so...


User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 28758 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 118):

$200 million from DL is what we hear.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 28588 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 119):
$200 million from DL is what we hear

Well, that would indicate a major overhaul of the South Satellite, not a new terminal. The remodel of the North Satellite for AS is going to cost $230 million, including a new roof top lounge which DL has already done. I'mfine with a major remodel, but I hope it is MAJOR.


User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 28545 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 120):

Probably right... but $200 million is only DL's contribution.

Just as an aside, I wonder what this means for SLC's future for international flights. SLC-NRT was an experiment that ended abruptly, so CDG (and Canadian cities vis OO) are all that remain. If DL really does grow exponentially in SEA, they probably will want more of their own metal domestically there, too... maybe...


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 122, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 28452 times:

Too bad its not Alaska & Delta putting in a joint bid on American Airlines


xx
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 123, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 28301 times:

Quoting usxguy (Reply 122):
Too bad its not Alaska & Delta putting in a joint bid on American Airlines

Or they could REALLY mix things up and put in a bid on US.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 124, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 28256 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 114):
I also have a inkling it may have something to do with the north satellite; once a United strong hold. If memory serves me DL operates out of the "B" concourse. I can see DL moving to the north satellite with expanded Ops.

DL hasn't operated out of B (on a regular basis, anyway) in years. They were at the end of A up until the finalization of the NW merger and are now (mostly) in S.

Not to pick on you personally, Gent, but is anyone actually reading this thread? DL will NOT be moving to N with AS. As others have already pointed out several times, there's no FIS facility, no widebody capacity save for one gate and for that matter, no room for anyone but AS once the remodel is complete. The whole point of AS moving into N was to acquire extra gate space and dedicated facilities for themselves. Sharing those facilities with an expanded DL operation totally defeats that purpose. An announcement such as a terminal co-location is also pretty small beans and hardly requires the presence of two airline CEOs at a mysterious press conference...



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User currently offlinexlc From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 28166 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 124):
DL will NOT be moving to N with AS.

Don't forget the new rooftop Sky Club that opened last August.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 27916 times:

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 42):
I have talked to both Alaska and Delta PR teams and have confirmed the advisory is correct. I have no idea how wide spread the advisory went out (ie only local Seattle media), and I can't tell you why others are not reporting on it.

I got the media advisory in my email yesterday....seems legit to me.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 127, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 27734 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 113):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 61):
It would have to mean DL would need to make up for AA... probably a very large LAX expansion. If I were AS I don't think I'd be keen in doing that since DL hasn't been 100% successful in making LAX a hub.

Change LAX with SEA and you may have something closer to what is likely going to happen.

But DL is already in bed with AS @ SEA...



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 27823 times:

Richard Anderson was in Seattle a few times in early summer... I ran into him once on the elevator going up to our offices on the mezzanine. I asked him what he was out for and his response was "lots going on here in Seattle..."

Whatever it is has been in the works for at least a few months.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 27566 times:
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As for DL 744; There is one at S8 right now (10/7, 5:18p PDT). Looks nice in the sunshine.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 130, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 27370 times:

[quote=mtnwest1979,reply=129]As for DL 744; There is one at S8 right now (10/7, 5:18p PDT). Looks nice in the sunshine.[/quo

The DL flight from ATL-NRT stopped for fuel....I'm guessing that's the aircraft.



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26940 times:

Something else I keep thinking about is that Brad Tilden has only been the CEO for a couple months now. The timing of this, and the probability that whatever it is, has been in the works for a couple months, maybe it was something Bill Ayer wasn't willing to pursue. Maybe a new CEO means things that traditionally have not been part of Alaska's MO?

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 132, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26816 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 109):
I have to disagree with this. A domestic joint venture, similarly to a merger or an acquisition may be subject to a review by DOT and DOJ, but there is nothing intrinsically illegal about it. Only if this creates a monopoly or some other unfair consequences to consumers or creates overlaps which may require divestiture.

ok....still....a Domestic JV/ATI will happen right after I buy Delta with my own money.

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 121):

Just as an aside, I wonder what this means for SLC's future for international flights. SLC-NRT was an experiment that ended abruptly, so CDG (and Canadian cities vis OO) are all that remain. If DL really does grow exponentially in SEA, they probably will want more of their own metal domestically there, too... maybe...

nothing. SLC will never have a ton of international flights. At best its looking like NRT maybe LHR or AMS would be added.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 133, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26750 times:

I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 134, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26691 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 133):
I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though

Good points all-around. I'd be inclined to entertain the prospect of DL expanding internationally at SEA while cutting back domestically and letting AS pick up the slack for the reasons you mentioned, but it's worth remembering that AS doesn't have a ton of slack in their fleet at the moment and therefore doesn't have the ability to do something like say, throw some extra frequencies at ATL and MSP or starting up DTW, CVG, etc. to allow DL to pull back and send that metal elsewhere. I could see it being a very agreeable arrangement though...

Definitely eager to hear the announcement, there are several pretty reasonable and interesting possibilities out there.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 135, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26621 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 134):
but it's worth remembering that AS doesn't have a ton of slack in their fleet at the moment and therefore doesn't have the ability to do something like say, throw some extra frequencies at ATL and MSP or starting up DTW, CVG, etc. to allow DL to pull back and send that metal elsewhere.

Oh, I didn't mean the hub-SEA flights. In many codeshares the 2 carriers will both operate hub to hub flights... without a JV (which doesn't seem like is allowed between DL and AS) these 2 airlines can't quite operate as one so it makes sense to keep a presence on hub routes. Going forward though, I see most international expansion by DL and domestic by AS. It will be interesting to see how much DL and AS can grow SEA.

Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 136, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26560 times:
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Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 131):
Maybe a new CEO means things that traditionally have not been part of Alaska's MO?

I am sure there will be differences, however I do not see a major change like AS pursuing a merger or formally entering an alliance (not that you were suggesting either).


User currently offlinehiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 137, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26575 times:

Perhaps AS is moving from EWR to JFK or keeping EWR and adding JFK. I think SLC and DTW are likely as well.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 138, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26494 times:

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 137):
Perhaps AS is moving from EWR to JFK or keeping EWR and adding JFK. I think SLC and DTW are likely as well.

Although this is not out of the realm of possibility (in fact, it's quite likely) would it call for having both CEOs in SEA? I think it'll be big. Not as big as many of us hope, but probably something more than a few routes. I mean you have large route announcements, sometimes with 15+ routes, where the CEO is not even involved. I fear it'll be something boring (in my opinion) like terminals... yawn



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 26020 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 135):
Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)


In response to your question not relating to the forthcoming announcement, with DL and AS strengthening ties I could see at PDX....
For DL in PDX, I could see the rumored PDX-CDG flight and maybe restarting PDX-HNL.
As for AS, may see additional PDX-ANC service, return of PDX-DEN, PDX-MCO, PDX-RNO, PDX-TUS, new routes:PDX-EWR, PDX-MIA, PDX-YYC, PDX-YEG?



[Edited 2012-10-06 23:10:13]

User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 26016 times:

Why would they have a press announcement in Seattle to announce new Portland service?

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 141, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25943 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 140):
Why would they have a press announcement in Seattle to announce new Portland service?

They wouldn't most likely, but Seattle is AS's operational HQ. I expect something along the lines of a stronger tie in together and a DL build up in SEA with AS feeding it, as many have speculated previously in this thread. CEO's would not be coming together to announce a route for either carrier.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 142, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25890 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 135):
Maybe a little off topic, but what about PDX? Isn't AS pretty big there too? Is there enough capacity for DL to grow there in a similar way? (I'm sure if there was we would have seen it already but who knows)

Yes, but I doubt you'll be seeing much new from DL down there any time soon, especially if a big long-haul buildup at SEA is what's in the works. It's simply easier for DL to have PDX pax hop on a QX flight up to SEA and connect than it is to dedicate an entire airframe to a market right down the road that has limited long-haul potential.

Quoting Prost (Reply 140):
Why would they have a press announcement in Seattle to announce new Portland service?
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 141):
CEO's would not be coming together to announce a route for either carrier.

Pretty much it, though an expansion of the AS/DL relationship could eventually bear some fruit for PDX...time will tell.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25843 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 142):
Pretty much it, though an expansion of the AS/DL relationship could eventually bear some fruit for PDX...time will tell.

Yes that is a nice thought, as you said, time will tell, I hope your right....... 



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25899 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98):

Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :

This helps DL's 744 utilization. It looks like the aircraft will sit on the ground in SEA for 7.5 hours before the next departure to NRT.

I wonder if DL will upgrade LAX-SYD to 744 now that the interior mods are almost complete.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 145, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 25859 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 133):
I'm not sure DL would want their own metal domestically on SEA routes. Legacies tend to do better flying international routes and the domestic networks often are there to funnel them. Not only would adding domestic SEA metal compete with their partner, AS, why do it? AS' costs are much lower than DL's. DL gets the free feed without the hassle of a domestic operation. DL can focus on the international flying that AS doesn't do and it's a win-win. The only way I see DL having a large domestic SEA hub would be a buyout... don't see that happening though

Alaska is a "legacy" carrier, the only one that has filed for Chapter 11. While their routes were originally limited to SEA and PDX to the 49th State before deregulation, they have operated up and down the west coast for a long time. I remember when they advertised "Four Jets per day to Anchorage" in Seattle. The four jets were one ONE Convair 880 with four jet engines. They were a really "wild" outfit to start with, but had a big charter business. They were one of the big contractors for the State of Israel that evacuated Jews from Muslim countries in the late 40's and 50's when the Jewish populations of Yemen and other Arab countries were considered threatened. Here is the story from Alaska Airlines website.

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/about-us/history/magic-carpet.aspx


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 146, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25824 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 145):
Alaska is a "legacy" carrier, the only one that has filed for Chapter 11.

I assume you mean has NOT filed for Chapter 11. Yes, AS was and still is sort of a "wild" independent outfit.


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25826 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 142):
especially if a big long-haul buildup at SEA is what's in the works.

Where would the aircraft come from??


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25822 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 147):

So I don't actually believe this is the case, but there was an order announced this last week from Boeing for 26 737Max aircraft...Airline was unidentified - maybe its going to be identified on Monday morning.  


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25770 times:

Hhmmm...

If DL expands their relationship with KE... then they could dismantle their NRT hub... and re-allocate aircraft to SEA-Asia flying... and use AS as western US feed... thereby strengthening the DL-AS relationship... and necessitating the two CEO's being together to make this grand announcement.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25711 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 147):
Where would the aircraft come from??

Draw down in point to point flying in Europe. DL will have some extra 763ER's to put on the Pacific flying.


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 25717 times:

Ok I think DL/AS will announce a joint hubs in SEA/SLC/MSP
DL will focus on international lift and AS will focus on domestic lift.
Along with more AS domestic flights into and out of SEA, AS will also add lift to and from Alaska state feeding DL hubs in SLC/MSP.
DL will then pull their metal to and from Alaska and possibly the DL SEA Hawaii flights leaving those flights for AS.......
I think DL will be but a memory here in Alaska soon.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 152, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 25763 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 147):
Where would the aircraft come from??

Was thinking about that myself. I have no idea, but it would certainly be at another station's expense...

Quoting questions (Reply 149):
If DL expands their relationship with KE... then they could dismantle their NRT hub... and re-allocate aircraft to SEA-Asia flying... and use AS as western US feed... thereby strengthening the DL-AS relationship... and necessitating the two CEO's being together to make this grand announcement.

That's an interesting thought...I hadn't considered the timing of DL's cozying up more with KE with respect to this AS/SEA announcement.

Quoting Lono (Reply 151):
Ok I think DL/AS will announce a joint hubs in SEA/SLC/MSP
DL will focus on international lift and AS will focus on domestic lift.
Along with more AS domestic flights into and out of SEA, AS will also add lift to and from Alaska state feeding DL hubs in SLC/MSP.
DL will then pull their metal to and from Alaska and possibly the DL SEA Hawaii flights leaving those flights for AS.......
I think DL will be but a memory here in Alaska soon.

An announcement of AS sending their metal elsewhere en masse hadn't occured to me...I doubt that will be the case given their lack of fleet flexability right now, but that would definitely be an interesting development.



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 898 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25442 times:

Perhaps interesting to note that AS and DL already codeshare on the TransAtlantic from SEA, DTW and ATL:

These are examples of Trans-Atlantic codeshares of Alaska Airlines on DL:
- dep. ATL 15.15 - arr. AMS 05:55 AS 5207 Alaska Airlines A332 Daily
- dep. ATL 15.15 - arr. AMS 05:55 AS 5276 Alaska Airlines A332 Daily
- dep. ATL 15.15 - arr. AMS 05:55 AS 5188 Alaska Airlines A332 Daily

- dep. DTW 18.15 - arr. AMS 08:05 AS 5159 Alaska Airlines A333 Daily

- dep. SEA 13.40 - arr. AMS 08:20 AS 5007 Alaska Airlines A333 Daily
- dep. SEA 13.40 - arr. AMS 08:20 AS 5151 Alaska Airlines A333 Daily


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 154, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25455 times:

Would like to see some new p2p routes out of SEA on DL metal to beef up the overall operation there and to create more feed for INTL flying. Routes like SEA-MSY/RDU/PIT/IND could all work, even if they are flown like 5X weekly for starters. I would have thrown BNA in there but WN already flies that, at least seasonally.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25435 times:

This is killing me!! I'm dying to find out what it actually ends up being!!


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25343 times:

An acquaintance who works at SEATAC seems to think the announcement directly involves SEA and MSP. I found nothing significant occurring in the PNW other than the possible labor strike of the fuel farm workers. I was hinted to think 1500 miles eastward. Because it involves DL my thoughts turned to MSP and the old NW hub. I found nothing significant occurring in MSP other than this courtesy of USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/videos/travel/flights/2012/09/28/1600225/

It seems if any significant announcement was pro MSP the two CEO would meet in MSP. Because the meeting is scheduled in SEA leads one to believe it should be pro SEA' unless the two CEO's are in the PNW to mitigate damage control.



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User currently offlinedl747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25140 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 148):
So I don't actually believe this is the case, but there was an order announced this last week from Boeing for 26 737Max aircraft...Airline was unidentified - maybe its going to be identified on Monday morning.

That's not going to help DL or AS anytime soon, and they certainly would not be announcing any related routes 5 YEARS in advance. Not saying that AS couldn't be the airline ordering those 26 frames, but this announcement would not involve DL.


User currently offlinehiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25109 times:

They're keeping this very tight on International Blvd here in SEA! Far as I can tell only VP level and above know the truth....mid-level managers are speculating like the rest of us. They're recruiting AS employees in uniform to attend the announcement/press event on Monday but not saying why they'll be there.

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25059 times:

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 137):
Perhaps AS is moving from EWR to JFK or keeping EWR and adding JFK. I think SLC and DTW are likely as well.

DTW or SLC maybe, but switching EWR to JFK is a bad idea IMO. Three other airlines already fly SEA-JFK (DL, AA, B6), two of which are AS partners (for the moment at least) while only UA flies SEA-EWR. DL probably gets enough feed from its own 2-3x daily flights - certainly many of the pax on my SEA-JFK flight in February were connecting internationally.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 156):
An acquaintance who works at SEATAC seems to think the announcement directly involves SEA and MSP. I found nothing significant occurring in the PNW other than the possible labor strike of the fuel farm workers. I was hinted to think 1500 miles eastward. Because it involves DL my thoughts turned to MSP and the old NW hub. I found nothing significant occurring in MSP other than this courtesy of USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/videos/travel/flights/2012/09/28/1600225/ It seems if any significant announcement was pro MSP the two CEO would meet in MSP. Because the meeting is scheduled in SEA leads one to believe it should be pro SEA' unless the two CEO's are in the PNW to mitigate damage control.

Perhaps MSP-NRT is finished?

My best guess out of all of this is DL announcing a "Pacific Gateway"at SEA with enhanced feed from AS and improvements to the S gates & overcrowded FIS.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 160, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24778 times:

When you go to the link that the OP provided, one of the comments was this one, which seems perhaps the most plausible scenario:

"Alaska will go into close partnership with DL. But at the same time CANCEL all codeshares with non-Sky Team carriers. So this is a major turn in strategy, over 10 codeshares with various airlines will be cancelled. AS as an independent airline that works with pretty much everybody is gone. This is of course done because DL is building SEA up as an Asia hub.

Better for Delta than Alaska and probably not good for SEA in the long run since non-Sky airlines leave the market internationally. SEA becomes dependent on DL and AS as well. Congratulations."


The other part referenced is "product enhancements", which I don't think has been fully addressed. Might this simply be a more seamless experience for customers traveling over Seattle? Perhaps to better align their products, Alaska will be adding an Economy+ section?

I guess we'll know tomorrow.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 161, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24684 times:
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 160):
When you go to the link that the OP provided, one of the comments was this one, which seems perhaps the most plausible scenario...

AS Mileage Plan's core strength is the ability to earn and burn with so many other carriers, plus they receive elite member benefits on carriers like AA. If they become a de-facto Sky Team member and end their MP benefits and codeshares with QF, CX, EK and AA that may very well make AS less appealing.

Also, losing codeshares with AA means that AA will need to either build their own presence on the West Coast - which will make them another competitor to AS - or team up with someone like VX, which would strengthen them as an AS competitor.


User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24684 times:

Could this also be something with QX ordering more Q400's and flying them for DL out of their hubs? This would be a product enhancement for DL Connection. In addition to this, they could announce the long rumored flights (PVG/CDG) from SEA.

Just throwing it out there.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24717 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 98):

Delta to introduce the 744 on the SEA - NRT route from JUN13 :

So long UA SEA-NRT!


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 164, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24690 times:

I've seen a few things popping up:

Where will aircraft come from? Not sure on AS' end, but unless this is a HUGE operation springing up overnight, DL does have a very flexible fleet, especially in the winter months coming up. If they merely launch a few routes (which would be a nice addition) I think they wouldn't really need to pull aircraft off other routes

Closing down NRT: all we heard is DL wants to work more with KE... we don't know if that's more codesharing, a few more flights to ICN, or a full blown JV. Furthermore, NRT, ICN, and all of Asia is a pretty big market... who says they'll shut down the NRT operation just because ICN is close by? Look at how close CDG and AMS are, then throw in all of DL's LHR routes. They don't have a hub there by any means, but they have a pretty decent presence there. Barring any unseen problems with the NRT hub, I don't see a JV killing it

Using AS for domestic feed for MSP and SLC: I highly doubt that... that's putting a lot of eggs in AS. What if AS gets bought out by someone, cancels the agreement, etc? DL would have a bunch of feedless hubs and would have a very bad day. Plus, DL would have a lot less shots to be called, the domestic operations would be run by AS. The only way I that happening is a VERY close partnership, which might or might not be legal without a ful