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Delta To Increase CDG/AMS Services In 2013  
User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15196 times:
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http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1724

Highlights:

- Resumption of EWR-CDG nonstop (previously operated by AF and did not run in 2012)
- Resumption of seasonal BOS-CDG on DL metal (in addition to regular 2x AF metal)
- 2nd ATL-CDG on DL metal; total four daily (2x AF; 2x DL)
- 2nd JFK-AMS (seasonal) on DL metal
- DTW-CDG on DL metal extended to year-round from seasonal; from 763ER to A333

Flat-bed product to be available on CDG-JFK; CDG-EWR; CDG-CVG, and CDG-SEA.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14996 times:

Nice to see EWR-CDG, would still prefer Air France back but this is still an improvement.


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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1201 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14900 times:
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To me it Iooks like they have been busy prioritizing fleet enhancements to dedicate the updated 763's from EWR to Europe so they can offer same level of service to their clients as on the 764's from JFK to LHR. I think there are enough business people in the NY metro area that may actually book an outbound flight from JFK after a day at the office and then choose to return intoto EWR on a Sat because they live on that side of the Hudson river, or alternatively choosing to take the PATH to EWR on a Wed evening and fly into JFK on Saturday because you live out on the Island.

[Edited 2012-10-05 06:42:12]

[Edited 2012-10-05 06:43:21]


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14918 times:

EWR-CDG----Better product and better f/a than AirFrance   Can't wait to work it.
I'm looking forward to showing our new customers on this route Delta's legendary service!


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14832 times:

I appears that DL is committed to CVG-CDG long-term. I haven't heard yet if MEM-AMS will in fact resume seasonally in 2013.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26011 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Interesting comment from Glen Hauenstein, EVP Network and revenue.

β€œThis expansion will have little effect on overall trans-Atlantic capacity discipline as Delta continues to reallocate seats into high-demand business travel markets.”

So sounds like DL will reshape its Atlantic network to refocus on these partner hubs, and reduce direct service to secondary markets as it appears the overall planned capacity will remain tapered.

Good move imo. Stick to your strengths



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14551 times:

Arrrgh!! And still no RDU-CDG service! Ohh.. the humanity..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14556 times:

I wonder what will happen at ORD? I know there was speculation that Air France will soon announce full withdrawal from Chicago, with Delta taking the ORD-CDG route over, perhaps year-round.

User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14484 times:

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
- Resumption of seasonal BOS-CDG on DL metal (in addition to regular 2x AF metal)

Funny, there's another thread going on right now regarding DL's next focus now that NYC is well covered, and in that thread someone mentioned BOS which was QUICKLY diminished and regarded as nonsense. Now, before anyone starts to dash my hopes that my hometown airport IS seeing a growth spurt by DL, I understand this is only seasonal. However, it's still growth and with the state of AA (the other domestic operator with CDG service from BOS), I think this is a great move and one that could lead to perhaps either an upgauge of equipment or even year round service.

Looking back just 4-5 years ago Delta had a very slim international presence @ BOS - Halifax, Toronto, Bermuda, Cancun to now a decent European mix as well (AMS, LHR, CDG), which isn't too shabby. I doubt it'd be much more growth, but I'm hopeful to what the future holds for DL @ BOS.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14193 times:

Any news about RDU-CDG?


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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Delta's reference to adding DL #70 in Summer 2013 on JFK-AMS surprises me. This flight is already operating JFK-AMS in Summer 2012 and will operate in Winter 2012/2013:

SUMMER 2012:
- dep. 1800 JFK - arr. *0725 AMS KL0642 777 daily
- dep. 1805 EWR - arr. *0750 AMS DL604 767 daily
- dep. 2040 JFK - arr. *1025 AMS DL70 767 daily
- dep. 2255 JFK - arr. *1210 AMS KL0644 74M daily

WINTER 2012/2013:
- dep. 16:25 JFK - arr. 05:55 AMS DL 70 A333 daily
- dep. 17:45 JFK - arr. 07:10 AMS KL 0642 B777 daily
- dep. 19:05 EWR - arr. 07:50 AMS DL 34 B767 Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sun
- dep. 23:50 JFK - arr. 12:00 AMS KL 0644 B74M daily

What are we missing here?

I assume a new flight number will operate at 20.40 and Flight 70 will depart at 16.10.

[Edited 2012-10-05 08:24:52]

User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14160 times:

Any word on resuming BDL-AMS?

User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14155 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Any news about RDU-CDG?

Other than I think its the first time DL has thrown darts at a dartboard and pulled one out before starting the route, no.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14075 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
I haven't heard yet if MEM-AMS will in fact resume seasonally in 2013.

Delta.com shows MEM-AMS returning May 1, 2013. I know the online schedules are often placeholders, particularly this far out - is that the case here?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Flat-bed product to be available on CDG-JFK; CDG-EWR; CDG-CVG, and CDG-SEA.

I wonder, is this going to be a B764 operating the CVG flight then? Or an A330/772 or something larger than they are using now?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
I appears that DL is committed to CVG-CDG long-term

Well as per a contract with P&G they kinda have to. I stated previously that if DL stops this route another carrier (AF most likely) would take this route. P&G has some sort of contract in order to shuttle people between europe and their headquarters in Cincy.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13974 times:

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Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 8):
nd in that thread someone mentioned BOS which was QUICKLY diminished and regarded as nonsense.

I was the someone who mentioned BOS and you are right that the idea was quickly diminishwd as nonsense


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13941 times:

Hope the rumored PDX-CDG service will be announced soon!

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1201 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13806 times:
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Quoting bobnwa (Reply 15):
I wonder, is this going to be a B764 operating the CVG flight then? Or an A330/772 or something larger than they are using now?

Elsewhere I believe I read that up to 9 763's have completed mods into the flat bed international configuration. I think this is part of the announced plant to update all 150 aircraft used to international flying to full flat bed in J. The last ones that will get this update will be the A330's.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7966 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 8):
Now, before anyone starts to dash my hopes that my hometown airport IS seeing a growth spurt by DL, I understand this is only seasonal.

Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!

Exactly...

Is Delta "focusing" on PIT or ORD or EWR? Just because they have an international flight there to a JV HUB doesn't mean much.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13069 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, I think this is more of DL expanding CDG rather than them expanding BOS. I think after B6 moved in, DL's days at BOS were numbered. I'd love to see DL build up BOS, however!
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
Is Delta "focusing" on PIT or ORD or EWR? Just because they have an international flight there to a JV HUB doesn't mean much.

DL certainly is not as strong as they used to be at BOS, but it's still a very strong station for them, especially considering that DL basically shut down its focus city operations over the past few years. I think it is DL's largest non-hub station (depending on how one would clasify LAX), and one of a very few cities one could still call a focus city in any US legacy network. There's international service to AMS, CDG, BDA, and YUL; mainline to all the hubs (sans MEM) and MCO; the Shuttle to LGA; and still some P2P routes left over on DL Connection. Probably the biggest change at BOS for DL over the last few years has been the elimination of a glut of Connection P2P routes and the hacking of the mainline leisure routes to Florida, LAS, etc. Florida especially is where one sees the biggest B6 impact.


User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12955 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
There's international service to AMS, CDG, BDA, and YUL

Don't forget LHR  



Good goes around!
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
but it's still a very strong station for them, especially considering that DL basically shut down its focus city operations over the past few years. I think it is DL's largest non-hub station (depending on how one would clasify LAX),



That you are right it is still a very strong and important station for Delta. And we don't have to tip toe around the classifications   LAX is not a hub for DL as they don't even call it a hub. It's just a gateway at the end of the day. As far as non-hub stations I think you're right. It's LAX then BOS if i'm not mistaken as far as departures.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12683 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 11):

Any word on resuming BDL-AMS?
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Any news about RDU-CDG?

Don't think there will be, unfortunately. I know that BDLAMS was a pmNW experiment that Delta didn't care to continue. Definitely a worthy effort, but I suppose that Delta would rather concentrate on BOS and JFK rather than include O&D from BDL in the mix.

RDUCDG never left the ground (no pun intended). Given that several years have lapsed since both of these sectors were announced, I don't think the signs look promising for their resumptions.

Kind of similar to PDX, I would imagine that a single flight to Europe is about as much as a RDU can support.

This...

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 7):
I wonder what will happen at ORD? I know there was speculation that Air France will soon announce full withdrawal from Chicago, with Delta taking the ORD-CDG route over, perhaps year-round.

....on the other hand, I am curious to know about!



next flights: jfk-icn, icn-hkg-bkk-cdg, cdg-phl-msp
User currently offlinerafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

Does anybody know the specific AF changes mentioned in the release? PHL hasn't had any Skyteam transatlantic service in a little while (I can't remember if discontinued a year or two years ago). AF ran the route for years (most recently with A330s) but service was transitioned to Delta 757s a few years ago.

25 delta764 : In response to rafflesking- Delta ran a 763 on the PHL-CDG a few times. I flew a return from CDG on the 763. I think basically it operates with a 752
26 panamair : Yes...in this way, they will have flights for JFK-AMS pretty much every two hours between 1600 and 2300... None of these will be happening next year.
27 IrishAyes : Ha ha ha. I wonder how the nAAsayers are reacting to this given that this has become AA's tactic over the years. I'd argue that connecting on BA at L
28 alitalia744 : With the concentration of all AF flights now in 2E/2F/2G connections should be much smoother/efficient than in years past. CDG is hellbent on improvi
29 tommy767 : Well in the case of EWR: CDG was a long time AF spoke destination. NW operated the AMS services for years, and DL grandfathered it into the merged ne
30 DeltaMD90 : Um I wouldn't call this DL's strategy based off one route announcement (this one.) DL still has a huge TATL network, they're merely adding flights to
31 FlyASAguy2005 : If they refuse to run RJs on DEN-LAX which is a huge hole for them, I don't see EWR-LAX.
32 DeltaMD90 : I highly doubt it, AZ really isn't too involved in the JV. I'd see DL adding flights to FCO from other cities before I'd see them add it from one of
33 usdcaguy : I won't list all that's gone, but I will say much of has to do with the price of fuel (making ATH/ZRH seasonal, eliminating BUD/LYS/CPT), American fe
34 jporterfi : I'm glad DL is starting this service. Before this, the only service that truly warranted DL classifying CDG as a hub (other than AF service) was its s
35 Post contains links goldorak : Excellent news for EWR-CDG. Altough, I will regret AF on this route, DL option is better than no Skyteam option at all. The last rumors are that AF wi
36 Post contains images Deltal1011man : not really. For the summer Delta plans on most of its ATL/JFK-Europe to be back. The only add is EWR-CDG which can be canceled out by ORD-CDG going b
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : I hope so. It's a huge hole for the LAX network. 3-4 CR7s/CR9s would be just fine to start with a gradual build up. Just like they did with LAS. Plen
38 Deltal1011man : agreed. IMO DEN is the biggest hole now. (next up would be that city that Delta use to love but now hates....it'd be in Texas) I do think we will see
39 B777ER : Ask any NYC 7ER DL pilot LAXintl has it right. Ask any Delta NYC 7ER pilot and they will agree as well. Due to the European economy DL is starting th
40 Post contains images FFlyerCDg : Would be really curious to know why DL product is better than AF... Maybe I missed something and you're now offering a wide choice of newspapers in Y
41 Post contains images cokepopper : Depends on your definition of "wide". We usually offer a choice of three. Yes in BE and EC. Free Beer/wine in YC over 50 movies/tv True layflat seats
42 DTWPurserBoy : IMHO DL is hoarding cash in the event AA has assets for sale or the creditors force them into Chapter 7. A MIA or DFW turnkey operation would be a god
43 Delimit : 1. Is someone really bringing up the pilots as if they have special knowledge of the company's strategic direction? Don't we all know better by now? 2
44 cokepopper : My original comment was just light hearted competitive fun. Nothing more.
45 tommy767 : That's a theory but if AA went chapter 7 I'm sure DL is more than willing to snatch up 30-40 738s from AA over the MIA hub.
46 DeltaMD90 : Um pilots are probably the worst source of information, this site kinda proves it. Not saying that I'm right and they're wrong, but I wouldn't call w
47 bobnwa : If that were true,why doesn't Delta just buy 30-40 738s from Boeing
48 cokepopper : I'm sure Delta could get a better deal from AA than Boeing. Probably not as good and creative deal ala Southwest for their 717's, but probably a good
49 Viscount724 : But on AF it's not limited to beer and wine in Y class. That's true for almost all major non-US carriers on longhaul flights.
50 DeltaMD90 : I don't think so. The reason DL was snatching up MD-90s and 717s is because no one really wanted these airframes that are still relatively new. A 738
51 cokepopper : I understand, but thats why I stated:
52 PIEAvantiP180 : Well the 64 million $ question is does AA even own 30-40 737-800 any more. I believe all the recent deliveries were done with sale lease back and not
53 NYCAAer : Only 50 channels of movies and TV on DL? Is that the new video system? People always complain about the lack of selection of IFE on AA, but the new sy
54 Post contains images PHX787 : Ok let me just chime in on this one: I have directv complimentary for my apartment with like, 400 channels and other assorted benefits, but I believe
55 Deltal1011man : Sorry...i could careless what pilots have to say unless its about flying an airplane. (even then...) All I can tell you is Delta will still have pret
56 usdcaguy : 50 channels or 270 channels, it doesn't matter. What does is the selection. I think AF has some of the best movies; many are from the Middle East, Af
57 Post contains images FFlyerCDg : Terribly sorry if I was rude ! And you're perfectly right... Things might have changed and J seat are better on DL than AF. But I was talking about t
58 neveragain : So you assert this without qualifications, then start another post asking for the details of the contract? So DL is going to agree with its JV partne
59 bobnwa : I believe that Boeing thru financing already owns the AA 738s in question.
60 chrisnh : I would stamp the seal of approval on DL's renaissance at BOS if they started service to Asia. Everyone knows that, aside from the JAL 787 we have, t
61 flyguy89 : If anyone is the least bit familiar with the Cincinnati market, this is common knowledge. Qualifications? What qualifications do you need? I know doz
62 neveragain : Flyguy--I'm not disputing that P&G has a large contract with Delta, nor that many P&Gers fly CVG-CDG and probably pay good fares. What I was c
63 panamair : So the new flights have been loaded over the weekend: The CDG flight times were already detailed in the press release. Basically, 752s for CDG-PHL/PIT
64 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Well I don't see why DL wouldn't give consent for AF to come in and take over such a route should DL pull it. I took the flight twice. First time was
65 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : There is a lot that goes into it. I don't see DL dropping it for AF and this is why (keep in mind, I'm no expert on this but this is what I've heard:
66 flyguy89 : I don't, or didn't want to come across as crass, but I just thought harping on that point was unnecessary since he didn't unequivocally state that DL
67 jbmitt : CVG- CDG used to operate double daily split between DL and AF. I've flown both the DL 777 and AF 340
68 Post contains images PHX787 : The aviation enthusiasts in CVG greatly miss the AF A340 When that thing landed at CVG the viewing areas and the parking garage would just fill up wi
69 PITrules : While it was not stated in the press release, Delta.com shows the seasonal PIT-CDG flight increased to daily right from the start, which is up from t
70 steeler83 : Didn't Delta discontinue PHL-CDG all together according to one of the recent OAG threads? US flies A333s and/or 767s if I recall from their transatla
71 DeltaMD90 : They might have. I think they may have PIT-CDG or something. Even if it did get discontinued, the fact that it went to AF > DL in the first place
72 neveragain : The point is--as far as I understand how a joint venture is supposed to work--that the decision to cancel the route would be made jointly to begin wi
73 PHX787 : That's an implication based off of the facts that previous members brought up. Again this discussion belongs in the P&G thread, as we are discuss
74 ANA787 : Is the 2nd daily SEA-AMS operated as a 767 being upgraded to the new product or is the 2nd daily being cut?[Edited 2012-10-08 14:05:01]
75 panamair : Delta usually defaults many of these seasonal to daily in the beginning, and then starts to trim them depending on how advance bookings look. PIT-CDG
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