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TSA “Freeze” Security Drill Caught On Camera  
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16044 times:

Caught on camera, TSA security freeze drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0awE1Q2HA&feature=player_embedded

95 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16058 times:

This was discussed a few weeks back. TSA came out and said there is no such thing as a freeze drill nor is it an approved thing and was looking into it


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16028 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):

What do you mean that the TSA doesnt do the freeze drill? They do it at LAX numerous times per day.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15987 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):

This was discussed a few weeks back. TSA came out and said there is no such thing as a freeze drill nor is it an approved thing and was looking into it

The local FOX news station in Phoenix reported on it.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19...2012/09/30/tsa-drill-at-sky-harbor


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

I've been in one. It's annoying. But I see it like a fire drill. Needs to be practiced.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15877 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):

Love it or hate it (I hate it) according to QANTAS747-438 he has seen that happen several times in 1 day. If they had fire drills several times a day that would be quite disruptive.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15786 times:

Happened to me twice in SJU. Couldnt quite figure out what was really going on. As said in the video, it only lasted a few minutes.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15612 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
I've been in one. It's annoying. But I see it like a fire drill. Needs to be practiced.

Which aspect needs to be practiced - idiots telling people not to move, or passengers standing still? Neither part is practice-worthy.


User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15504 times:

....I've screwed it up a couple times, prancing on through, too busy checking my pairing on my iPhone, in order to make sure I can make a Starbucks run before my next flight. TSA hates me...   

JetA



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15437 times:

Why does the TSA do this, if true? They are security checkpoint agents, not airport police. WTH?

Their badge doesn't mean diddly squat to me once I pass through security. From that point on, it's the airport police I deal with and take instructions from. They are the ones who enforce the law, not the security screeners.

The TSA do not carry a gun nor carry handcuffs. They are not there to arrest anyone, that's the airport police job, hence why you see a cop at the end of the checkpoint.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15417 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 7):

I've only seen it at a checkpoint. I'd probably ignore them if I was already past security.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15410 times:

Wonder what would happen if a deaf person cannot hear the freeze command and the TSA does not know they are hearing impaired ?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15388 times:

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 11):

Wonder what would happen if a deaf person cannot hear the freeze command and the TSA does not know they are hearing impaired ?


I would keeping on walking. They touch me, they deal with the airport police on assault charges. But that's just me...



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15373 times:

I was also thinking about foreigners not speaking good English and not expecting this.


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15352 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
I would keeping on walking. They touch me, they deal with the airport police on assault charges. But that's just me...

Bravo, I would applaud that, and i wonder when the general public would all take that stance and say enough is enough


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15319 times:

This happened to me in 2010 in ATL. Quite unnerving to say the least. I looked around to see if anyone had a gun and was sprinting toward the escalators down to the train! Once we figured out it was a drill everything went back to normal, but I wish their was a was TSA could do it without scaring the crap out of passengers!

User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15318 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
I was also thinking about foreigners not speaking good English and not expecting this.

Suppose they will end up with an 11,000 dollar fine & a little jail time (that will teach those foreigners). No wonder were scaring away the foreign tourists to this country.

Airport Pat-Downs: TSA Says it Can Fine You for Backing Out
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walki...ine/story?id=12215171#.UG-B2JjBEqM


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 16):

But have they fined anyone to date yet? My guess is no.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15253 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
But have they fined anyone to date yet? My guess is no.

it is an old article but apparently they collected 1 million in fines
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7806697/...an-cost-you-airports/#.UG-Fu5jBEqM


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15123 times:

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 18):

Thats at the checkpoint itself, not out on the concourses though.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15076 times:

Experienced it at Phoenix too after landing ... when walking past a checkpoint they stopped everyone, with people backing up onto the moving walkways, being dangerous.

I was walking with a former senior ATC person at PHX who I met on plane and was just as confused as me.



"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15041 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Thats at the checkpoint itself, not out on the concourses though.

Well in this article http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19...2012/09/30/tsa-drill-at-sky-harbor it is quoted as saying

"At least one passenger FOX 10 spoke with said people were scared when the drill took place in the middle of a terminal last week, past the security checkpoint."

So i figure the potential for a fine would also be possible if ignoring the TSA. in this example


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

We talked about this in the PHX aviation thread a while back. It pissed a lot of people off.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14950 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):

Their badge doesn't mean diddly squat to me once I pass through security. From that point on, it's the airport police I deal with and take instructions from. They are the ones who enforce the law, not the security screeners.

TSA can screen you anytime at or past the checkpoint.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 15):
but I wish their was a was TSA could do it without scaring the crap out of passengers!

Ah... but that's the whole point. It's nothing more than obedience training. Scare the people into doing anything for security.

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 16):
TSA Says it Can Fine You for Backing Out

The TSA says a lot of things that aren't true. Legally, there is nothing they can do to detain you if you decide you've had enough and walk away, even if they don't have your information. Even airport cops can't do anything if you simply walk away, because you have committed no crime.

Google John Tyner. He was repeatedly threatened by the FSD at SAN for refusing a pat-down and leaving, yet nothing came of it.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14210 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 23):
TSA can screen you anytime at or past the checkpoint.

Not arguing with you, but a screening after the checkpoint is a self-admission from the TSA that they didn't do a good enough job to begin with.


25 sccutler : I would modestly suggest that we all, each and every one of us, have a duty to vigorously and openly ignore foolishness like this. A TSA agent tells m
26 shufflemoomin : It's probably more to do with having to submit all kinds of information about yourself beforehand, explain where you're staying on the first night, b
27 mcdu : One of my many beefs with the TSA is the secondary ID verification at the gates. I would love to know how many people they have ever caught in one the
28 sweair : Until US lets go of its silly trauma about security I did my last visit 2003, even before that the immigration procedure was a uncomfortable experienc
29 PanHAM : yes, and then, when making your next flight, you are treated like a criminal again. OK, as a foreigner, I am not supposed to understand "freeze". I a
30 sweair : TSA is about showing the public something is done, it is not more secure than before. If the public gets fooled that it is good it works. Sadly the Am
31 oldeuropean : This has nothing to do with 9/11. This is a special American thing, showing the relationship between officers and normal citizens and unthinkable in m
32 sweair : I do on occasion get bad treatment on ARN as well, the kind of persons employed in the security there is not my kind of ideal person. I wont say more,
33 PanHAM : Well, you also have the nice guys who make a joke and put smiles on people#s faces. Or the "business like" officer who routinely asks the questions h
34 PlaneInsomniac : Fire drill for what? The further arbitrary harrassment of passengers by out-of-control "officers", obviously with no instructions or justification by
35 AirframeAS : The TSA and CBP are two totally different agencies in different areas. They do not work together.
36 shufflemoomin : I'm aware that Customs & Border Patrol are the agency that "welcome" you into the country and are separate from the TSA. My point is that all aspe
37 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Glenn Beck reacts to stop & freeze http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/28/...licy-%E2%80%98go-to-hell%E2%80%99/
38 flyingturtle : They are testing if the TSA still have any authority left in order to goad passengers around, and yell them pointless orders. On a more practical mat
39 Coronado990 : There's your answer folks. You think they really care about your security? They need an income. It's always about the money around here. It you can't
40 Maverick623 : Oh not to worry, I am more than in agreement with you.
41 usflyguy : Was that right at the exit to a checkpoint? I've seen them do that before when a police officer was confiscating a gun from someone in the checkpoint
42 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Ben Franklin quote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve
43 asctty : The land of the free surpasses itself yet again. What a shame the country seems so insecure??
44 N766UA : Whoopdee doo. I'm with AS, and I'll add that their badge doesn't mean squat to me at the checkpoint either. I respect the need for security, but the
45 N766UA : Ben Franklin lived in an era of horses and gas lamps; he never had a 767 fly into his skyscraper. Just saying.
46 flyingturtle : But strangely, freedom of the press and the freedom of opinion aren't restricted to hand-written pamphlets, printing presses and horse-drawn postal c
47 Maverick623 : Ben Franklin's discoveries and actions directly led to the incandescent light bulb and internal combustion engines, and discovered the very principle
48 Post contains images Cubsrule : There are also good TSA operations out there, where TSA management obviously cares and the checkpoint experience is almost always a good one. Interes
49 Post contains images rmoore7734 : Thanks for the backup, i could not have written better
50 N766UA : What the hell are you talking about? We're not here to discuss the inherent "timelessness" of Ben Franklin's statements, however cliche and recycled
51 PanHAM : It seems to be difficult to understand that sentence. It contains the answer to your question. The problem of the American public of today seems to b
52 Post contains images flyingturtle : The trouble, Sir, is the following question: What do terrorists actually want to achieve? I don't believe for a second that they actually want to kil
53 sweair : To give up liberty for security is exactly the goal of those pot heads that hate us so much. In a way we let them win, fear is the driving force now.
54 Post contains images Maverick623 : Yes, actually, I can. For starters, the British weren't the only threat facing the Colonies, and they had a significant military presence. If it were
55 sweair : Ask yourself how many liberty entrenching laws that have been enforced in the name of war on terror, the politicians have a good scapegoat now, any op
56 Post contains images flyingturtle : We have people here that have flown the Concorde, the 747, ATC guys, ramp rats, engineers, FAs, many users here have ties to airlines, Airbus, Boeing,
57 shufflemoomin : The difference is that the previous examples you gave are people who would be passionate about aviation. The TSA are nothing more than airport securi
58 JAAlbert : Uh ... what's the big deal? A TSA agent says "stop" and doesn't let people pass for a few seconds? This is a problem? A violation of a person's indivi
59 JAAlbert : Jeez, the last time I flew through GIG, my passport and I were scrutinized at the luggage drop off, at the check in desk, at the x-ray security, at t
60 PanHAM : Uhh, yes, and what's next? The TSA agent commands the herd of sheep "jump" and everybody jumps? Or commands 10 push-ups Or stand 1 minute on your lef
61 Post contains images flyingturtle : Oh. You're right. I'm still officially stupid. Because it has to make sense. Otherwise, people will lose their trust in this government agency. I wor
62 mgmacius : Of course he would! The problem with "terrorism" is, that it works only when you are afraid of it. And it seems you are... BTW: how many checks was t
63 sweair : With all this new hassle at the airport and more probably coming, maybe people will travel less and that's a huge win for the enemy. They already stop
64 Post contains links and images infinit : Maybe if that guy hadn't whipped out the camera they would have all gotten into a Gangnam style routine? I do apologise for my misdemeanour but I just
65 JAAlbert : Honestly, you think that's where this is all headed? An officer halting pedestrian traffic for a few seconds is ... humiliating? The obsession over T
66 FlyDeltaJets : Of all the things in this country that take away our freedoms the TSA screeners in my opinion are the least of the worries. Sure there are people that
67 Post contains images Maverick623 : Yes, it is. First of all, real cops are sworn law enforcement officers. They are being held to a much higher standard than the TSA. And marked crossw
68 JAAlbert : Are they? It seems they get away with a lot. We all know what they say they do with it ... but what assurance do we have that they comply with their
69 Post contains links rmoore7734 : That is what is so dangerous about e-verify http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Verify if and whenever they mandate all 50 states use it and then actually
70 lewis : All kinds of information? Such as? Birthdate and Passport No? Is there more? Even if there is, it is standard information that you will be asked for
71 JoeCanuck : So has anyone actually discovered whether or not obeying a TSA 'freeze' command is a legal requirement? Is one breaking a law if they don't?
72 Post contains links and images Maverick623 : Yes, they are. The threat of civil and criminal sanctions, something which the TSA is immune to. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...-list-fbi-inf
73 Maverick623 : Even if TSA has deemed it a "rule", it is nothing more than a civil violation (and even that could be unenforceable, as there are no publicly availab
74 lewis : Hmmm... wasn't sure but that would be my first guess, not so to be able to find you there but at least trace your movement from somewhere. What is th
75 Cubsrule : ESTA requires quite a bit more information than either Canada or most of Western Europe requires from Americans, such as an address in the country an
76 lightsaber : Ghad... More hassle at the airport? As already noted, the TSA are not true officers. They are simply not trained to the same standards. I also dislike
77 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Just like i can't resist posting this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1wSCrdTDO4
78 PanHAM : Maverick623 has given you the answers already. And, yes, a screener (they are not officers, they do not perform a sovereign task), should not be empo
79 akelley728 : Not sure what the big deal here is. Flew out of ORF Sunday evening and they told us all to stay where we were while they conducted a 'drill'. After a
80 PanHAM : Well, who are they to "drill" you or any other person in that area? Did you join the Army, are you a convicted prison inmate or what? If I want to mov
81 Maverick623 : If you can point to me in the Constitution where it says airports are exempt, I'd be inclined to agree with you. If you're going to use fancy Latin l
82 sweair : It saddens me that so many wont think deeper about where this all is going, it is 1984 for real, I have no doubt anymore. TSA is just a symptom of the
83 Post contains links flyingturtle : The only exemption I know of is actually crossing the frontier. You only have protection by the Constitution if you are in the United States. If you
84 PanHAM : That's correct. But even then the customs inspector has to brief you what he intends to do and he has reason his action. Which, of course, can be rand
85 Cubsrule : I'm lost. How can someone not be aware that they have fewer rights on an airport than on the street? Isn't it obvious? I can - with a permit - carry
86 Post contains images aloges : You're lost because you equate the carrying of a concealed firearm to walking freely. If that gets you lost, well - it's going to be hard to help you
87 Cubsrule : No, I didn't do any such thing. People can't be aware of the precise rights they relinquish at the airport because those rights are not well defined
88 PanHAM : You do not relinquish any rights at an airport, you just have to follow some rules and that includes getting screened for weapons, including your hand
89 jollo : Last half-dozen times I travelled to or through the USA, I've been yelled at by obese, rude, unfocused persons whose last concern was clearly securit
90 aloges : You brought up the restriction on concealed carrying as an example of restrictions that people know to apply post-screening, i.e. the relinquish that
91 Cubsrule : Every US court to have considered the question has found otherwise. Are you aware of any case law that supports this proposition? Not at all. My argu
92 PanHAM : read the whole sentence and this one and then you should understand that "drills" are not part of what TSA is authorized to perform. I doubt that thi
93 Cubsrule : I don't understand the distinction. If I cannot do certain activities, aren't I relinquishing the right to perform those activities?
94 PanHAM : Try positive thinking. What right do you relinquish? Not getting searched? The necessity of getting your belonings searched is accepted, although not
95 Cubsrule : Precisely. The Fourth Amendment would ordinarily prohibit much of what TSA does, even the "unobjectionable" searches like what is done across Europe.
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