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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

What are the chances of Lufthansa flying from Charlotte to Dusseldorf with an A333. It could just be summer seasonal or daily in the summer and 3 or 4 a week in the summer

Just a thought

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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

None. Especially if US leaves for One World/buys AA.

Though I have taken DUS-ORD-DUS a few times, and the loads seemed good.


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

I'd expect dozens of other longhaul flights out of DUS before they start CLT. They don't even serve CLT from FRA.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 2):

That's because US Airways serves it with 2 daily flights


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1024 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

- US/LH do not serve PHL from DUS. Philadelphia is a much larger market itself and a larger hub for US. If any, a PHL-DUS would be first.

- US Airways' future is not clear... will it be sold to AA? Will it move to OW? If US moves to OW, there would be no possible connections at the DUS side (maybe some AB flights).

- There is a lot of uncertainty about EU/German economic prospects. Many major routes US-EU have been downgauged, lost capacity and frequencies... some others have been directly cancelled. It does not look like the best time to open a secondary-to-secondary hub route between the US and Europe.


User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

You'll see UA or LH IAH-DUS way earlier than CLT-DUS. Especially with their B787s coming in.

[Edited 2012-10-06 12:03:03]

[Edited 2012-10-06 12:03:18]


Darius Bieber
User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
US Airways' future is not clear... will it be sold to AA?

You have that transaction backwards.


User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 6):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):US Airways' future is not clear... will it be sold to AA?


You have that transaction backwards

    



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
US/LH do not serve PHL from DUS. Philadelphia is a much larger market itself and a larger hub for US. If any, a PHL-DUS would be first.

While Philly is the larger market, CLT is the larger hub for US.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

You won't find any ''feeder'' flights out of DUS. LH has a very clear strategy and that is O&D pays the flight, transits are gravy. Maybe LH would start a seasonal SFO or LAX out of DUS. BOS and WAS could be of interest as well, but also unlikely. BOS is too small of a market, WAS doesn't have AB flights and there are too many seats out of FRA that LH needs to fill there.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Very unlikely. However, given the success of their MUC flight, I could see LH maybe adding a summer seasonal FRA.


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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Where is the market? Apart from connections, which can be done through ORD on UA, which have more connections than US have at CLT.

User currently offlinephlwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

While I'd love to have more nonstops from the US to DUS, since I fly to that region of Germany regularly, I don't think there's enough demand for significant additional service there. It's only a bit over an hour by ICE train from the FRA airport station to Dusseldorf Hbf as well, which is how I usually do it.

User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1024 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4192 times:

Quoting something (Reply 9):
You won't find any ''feeder'' flights out of DUS.

Interesting, because it is not the first time that LH tries to sell me intra-European connecting flights through DUS in their website. I didn't know they didn't make long-haul connections there, and it was just a "short-haul" hub.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9528 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

LH feeds longhual services from DUS with their extensive European network. All l(d distance services are, like most of those at FRA and MUC, not self-sustainable from local O&D traffic.

This will continue after 4U takes over those flights which are not operated by EW/LH regional.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1024 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 14):

Thanks, that is what I first thought.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 13):
Interesting, because it is not the first time that LH tries to sell me intra-European connecting flights through DUS in their website. I didn't know they didn't make long-haul connections there, and it was just a "short-haul" hub.

What I meant was that LH doesn't operate flights out of DUS that rely on the connections on the other end, thus feeding another hub. They only operate flights out of DUS that have a strong enough o&d demand for the flight to become profitable.

For example, they were trying to open DUS-NRT recently because there's a large Japanese diaspora in DUS. They assessed the market and concluded that those passengers would not pay a premium for a non-stop flight, and consequentially shelfed those plans. They could have probably filled the plane with feed, but only at the expense of their FRA and MUC flights losing feed. DUS only gets flights that bring something new to the table, ie non-stop flights between to regions that can support non-stop flights. Of course there's connecting traffic as well, but that just fills the plane up and isn't the reason for the flight.

Which is why LH will not open up a CLT (or PHL) flight out of DUS. The market between those two cities is too small and feeding other passengers into DUS would dilute the passenger volumes at FRA and MUC. As for US starting a CLT/PHL-DUS flight, I don't see any reason why they would do that. The yields are higher at FRA/MUC, the number of connections is as well.

Maybe they'll join OneWorld one day, at which point I wouldn't be surprised to see them at DUS. It would be the equivalent of DL flying ATL-DUS, just with all those AB connections on the other end that DL doesn't have.

[Edited 2012-10-07 09:10:13]


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