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US Airways CLT Possible Expansion  
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10060 times:

Hello.

What are the chances of a little US expansion out of CLT.

Possible routes: GEG,TUS,TUL,OKC,GRR,SNA,SJC

Aircraft: GEG-A319 TUS-A319 TUL CRJ 200 OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700, GRR CRJ 200,SNA 757 , SJC A320

Just a thought

Regards

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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):

SNA, if started, would be an a319 or maybe an a320. Not a 757.

OKC and TUL I'm kinda surprised there aren't served rom CLT yet.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

Yea maybe a little to much capacity, a A319 would make more sense

[Edited 2012-10-06 18:03:34]

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9861 times:

TUL and OKC will probably be a matter of time, the rest of those might be various degrees of unlikely. Of course that all depends on the, ahem, state of independence of the airline.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
GEG-A319

0% chance. If Delta isn't running it with a much larger hub in Atlanta and having a partnership with AS on the GEG end, there's no way that US would be able to make this work profitably.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
TUS-A319

Tried a few years ago and failed. Doubt it would work again - Delta has a pretty good grasp on the TUS-Southeast market. Easy enough to just shuttle pax up to PHX on the many CR9s and 319s on TUS-PHX and connect them there.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
TUL CRJ 200

Surprised this one hasn't happened yet. Though painfully long for a CR2 at 842 miles.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700

Same with TUL. Though even more painfully longer (940 miles on a CR2 just makes my knees hurt thinking about it)

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
GRR CRJ 200

Could see this one happening. Actually surprised US hasn't come back to GRR yet; it's a Delta stronghold but I'd think they'd be able to run a solid CRJ station there DCA/PHL/CLT flights.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
SNA 757

Would be a 319 if they get the slots for it; not sure how much they want it though when it overflies PHX and most of the major cities can be hit over PHX.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
SJC A320

Same with SNA, just a bit more marginal. Even Delta is down to a 1x/day flight on ATL-SJC.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

GEG I just see as highly unlikely. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DL not even fly GEG-ATL nonstop?


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User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9613 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
GEG I just see as highly unlikely

I agree GEG-PHX is only 1-2x a day. It seems highly unlikely US would start CLT


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9566 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DL not even fly GEG-ATL nonstop?

Nope - only SLC and MSP for Delta out of GEG. ATL-GEG was announced as a 1x/weekly 737-800 around 2008 but never got off the ground.

Considering Delta has a much larger operation in GEG than US (year round mainline to both SLC and MSP and around 8 flights a day minimum), you'd expect them to jump on a route to ATL first.

As it stands, the only mainline destinations that US has out of CLT in the Continental US that Delta does not serve with mainline out of ATL are MDT and ABE - both of which can be called US Airways Strongholds. I think Ottawa is the only other destination out of CLT that US Airways serves with a large RJ that Delta doesn't serve out of ATL with a mainline flight or an RJ with a First Class cabin (there might be some small towns in North Carolina but I'm not sure; Delta does have mainline into Fayetteville, Asheville and Wilmington now on top of the normal Raleigh/Charlotte/Greensboro).


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
As it stands, the only mainline destinations that US has out of CLT in the Continental US that Delta does not serve with mainline out of ATL are MDT and ABE - both of which can be called US Airways Strongholds. I think Ottawa is the only other destination out of CLT that US Airways serves with a large RJ that Delta doesn't serve out of ATL with a mainline flight or an RJ with a First Class cabin (there might be some small towns in North Carolina but I'm not sure; Delta does have mainline into Fayetteville, Asheville and Wilmington now on top of the normal Raleigh/Charlotte/Greensboro).

PGV and EWN are both sometimes served with CR7s, and OAJ is gets a couple of CR7s a day from CLT.

Looking at it now, there are a number of destinations unserved by DL in the South, but served by US at CLT: HHH, LYH, HTS, FLO, PGV, SBY.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

The giant wagon in the middle of downtown Spokane will have to sprout wings in order for GEG to get non-stop service to the east coast.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 11):
The giant wagon in the middle of downtown Spokane will have to sprout wings in order for GEG to get non-stop service to the east coast.

Indeed. CLT can't even support PDX year round service....GEG? Come on...



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 12):

I bet they could support year round, they should operate it with a A319 for the low season


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Hello.

What are the chances of a little US expansion out of CLT.

Possible routes: GEG,TUS,TUL,OKC,GRR,SNA,SJC

Aircraft: GEG-A319 TUS-A319 TUL CRJ 200 OKC-CRJ 200 maybe 700, GRR CRJ 200,SNA 757 , SJC A320

Just a thought

Regards
GEG highly unlikely...US isnt very big there, and DL doesnt even have an ATL flight.
TUS doubtful, better chance than GEG but as stated before its a quick flight up to PHX and then on so unless there is a high demad from TUS to southeastern markets that would warrant a non stop for one stop connections I dont see that anytime soon.
TUL,OKC,GRR I could definitiely see these all....perhaps with a CR7. OMA and DSM were started this year OMA on the CR7 and DSM on CRJ, and DSM was quickly upgraded to a CR7.
SNA, SJC--possible, I see SNA more than SJC...

[Edited 2012-10-07 07:26:11]

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):

OMA also got upgraded to a CRJ 900


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7950 times:
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Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Aircraft: GEG-A319

Spokane is served with 319s by USAirways -- but by West out of PHX.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

since we are talking CLT expansion, I would also like to add another question to go along with the OKC, TUL, GRR markets question....does anyone think its possible that US (assuming no merger with AA) could add some more midwestern markets to CLT? Like maybe PIA, MSN, SBN, FWA, CID (I would personally love that), MLI, CMI, SGF etc?? OMA to CLT and DSM recently started and appear to be successful. US also used to have a presence in most of these markets before so they wouldnt be a totally unknown name. Alot of these markets have lost 1-2 airlines (NW and CO) due to mergers it would be nice to have another carrier on the rosters.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):

I think it would be a great possibility consider concourse E will be expanded to 50 gates, the concourse B expansion and the new terminal


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7877 times:
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Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
SNA, SJC--possible, I see SNA more than SJC...

Possible just on banking business -- given the WF west coast data center in Irvine vs WF east coast headquarters in Charlotte.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 8):
Looking at it now, there are a number of destinations unserved by DL in the South, but served by US at CLT: HHH, LYH, HTS, FLO, PGV, SBY

And all of those, except for PGV and SBY, have been served by DL at some point in the last decade.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 15):
since we are talking CLT expansion, I would also like to add another question to go along with the OKC, TUL, GRR markets question....does anyone think its possible that US (assuming no merger with AA) could add some more midwestern markets to CLT? Like maybe PIA, MSN, SBN, FWA, CID (I would personally love that), MLI, CMI, SGF etc?? OMA to CLT and DSM recently started and appear to be successful.

With the direction the industry is headed, it just doesn't seem likely that US would add long thin routes out of CLT to markets like most of those. In a different day and age, yes. In fact, I'm surprised some of them weren't tried.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 19):
With the direction the industry is headed, it just doesn't seem likely that US would add long thin routes out of CLT to markets like most of those. In a different day and age, yes. In fact, I'm surprised some of them weren't tried.

There are some cities on that list that I wouldn't be shocked eventually getting CLT service (MSN jumps out at me), but I doubt the MLI/SGF/other real tertiary cities getting it at this point without an AA merger. AA merger, then yes - I could see it very well happening as it might be only one RJ to add on to an established station - but for a new station and the 3-4 flights you'd need to make it work, I doubt it.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.


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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.

The area would stand a better chance of a CLT flight if there were fewer of those small airports up there. They cannibalize each other for traffic and prevent mainline or more distant destinations from being realistic options.


User currently offlineryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Does anyone think Clt to Btr will see increased frequency or larger aircraft? The flights are always packed or sold out

User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2076 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
US has a pretty bad reputation here in central/upstate NY with flights only to PHL and they have a pretty high delay and cancelation rate. Most of the passengers they carry are heading to southern states and florida, they would certainly be doing themselves a favor if they offered a CLT flight to BGM ITH and ELM.

I certainly agree with that. I was working with a client in Corning/Elmira and commuted in from D.C. last year. I think I was delayed or cancelled six out of six times into and out of Philly. Just awful.

I'm not sure that those routes could be profitably served out of CLT, though. Much like some of the smaller southeastern destinations would be a reach for PHL.


25 PHX787 : Pending the arrival of the A350, anyone think an NRT route from CLT would work?
26 FWAERJ : I'm very surprised that FWA-CLT hasn't started yet, even if only on a CR2 once daily to start. There are too many business ties between the two citie
27 southwest737500 : Yes considering were getting a 12,000 ft runway that will enable flights to the pacific
28 RL757PVD : The problem is that they actually don't really cannibalize one another and each serve their own respective markets... ELM and ITH are the closest but
29 GSPSPOT : I'd just settle for getting a couple 2-class a/c back into GSP (presumably from CLT) again. DL stepped it up after WN arrived in town, and just keeps
30 USAirALB : Yes and No. I'm sure there is traffic between the Carolinas and NRT, and with feed from VA/SC/FL/Caribbean/Latin America/GA/TN/WV, a CLT-NRT flight c
31 southwest737500 : Defiantly with the A350 since there getting 22
32 flyguy89 : In the long-term future of an independent US I could see it, but otherwise I would think we'd see PHL or PHX to NRT before CLT.
33 neveragain : By 22 mi compared with NRT-ATL. But, hey, that's over 100,000 feet! That's worth noting in Chamber of Commerce brochures! In any case, I wouldn't be
34 southwest737500 : CLT won't if a merger happens, it will grow
35 neveragain : I'm sure you hope it does, but, barring a substantial drop in oil prices, I don't think there's much of a chance that CLT will sustain its current le
36 PHX787 : I'll throw my hat back into this ring of NRT speculations. I see PHX as the first one getting service, then maybe PHL with NH or US depending on who
37 crj900lr : GEG-No TUS-Possibly on a CR7 or 170/175........2X a day TUL-Possibly on a CR7 or CR9......2x a day OKC-Not to sure about this one, they already have
38 jmc1975 : And this is from CLT?!?!? Maybe if range limitations aren't an issue and if US hadn't already tried and failed with a daily A319 for a season.
39 DeltAirlines : This would be A319 or nothing - at 1735 miles, it's too long for a CR7 or a 170. Exactly - it does serve a niche in serving some small Southeast citi
40 CIDFlyer : Keep in mind DL is the world's largest hub in ATL covering the SE, and also has MSP and DTW to cover Northeast to West Coast traffic flows but that d
41 crj900lr : My fault I was thinking Tulsa for some reason when I did this. Yeah A CR7 or 170 ain't gonna make it!
42 USAirALB : I'm gonna throw it out there and say I am kind of confused when people talk about CLT losing service in an AA/US merger, though I may be a little bias
43 neveragain : Of course it doesn't. But CLT doesn't even have decent O&D to most of the US. CLT is WAY overserved. ATL has more than 14.0 originating passenger
44 NWADTWE16 : Since when does all new service depend on whether another airline already serves a 'similar' pairing? There are so few airlines i think USAIRWAYS is l
45 USAirALB : I'm curious to see where you got this information from..
46 Flighty : Too pessimistic. I agree that if US becomes grossly less efficient and less well run than it is today, then CLT and PHL would both be unprofitable. J
47 flyguy89 : ...at the expense of CVG and MEM, and to a certain extent even MSP and DTW, heck even ATL is still down from it's peak. Mergers are not about 1+1=2,
48 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Think he got it from here but he is off by a million (15 million) http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...anta-Airport-Revenue-Bonds-Outlook It peaked
49 CV880 : So then MCO & LAS are larger than ATL in O&D traffic which proves what?
50 brandonfsu05 : What exactly is a mega-hub vs. a hub? I wasn't aware that MIA or ORD were mega-hubs and significantly larger than CLT?
51 Post contains images Deltal1011man : not sure how MIA and ORD are "mega hubs" I'm fairly sure US is bigger at CLT than AA is at MIA or ORD. DFW is a 900 flight(ish) hub though. this one
52 PHX787 : MEM was originally de-hubbed because of focus on ATL. When DL acquired MEM again I only saw this as a matter of time issue. CVG is a different story.
53 flyguy89 : You're parsing words, I said "...with the addition of NEW mega-hubs...", obviously CLT is a mega-hub. ORD is an obvious mega-hub, they may compete wi
54 Post contains links neveragain : Because some of us work in the industry and have access to this sort of data. If you don't believe me, check out the link below, which refers to "2 m
55 Post contains links rmoore7734 : perhaps slightly off topic & someone already posted this but interesting clt expansion plans that include 5 parallel runways http://charlottechamb
56 ouboy79 : Well...AA, DL and WN are in TUL too - so what difference does it make? LOL The OKC economy is definitely better than TUL right now, but most of the e
57 Jetmatt777 : Don't forget that not only is the OKC economy healthier, it is also a larger city...by around 300k people. TUL and OKC are no longer identical twins.
58 incitatus : As a city Charlotte is in the same league as St. Louis and Pittsburgh. Ex-hubs, not very good company, though I find Pittsburgh a quite pleasant plac
59 neveragain : Hear hear on that one! Pittsburgh is a great city. I enjoy Cincinnati and St. Louis for that matter as well. This type of thread is always interestin
60 CV880 : Obviously another CLT vs ATL pissing contest.....which has been ongoing for decades. For what it was years ago, ATL was overserved and still is to a
61 Jetmatt777 : Some people have civic pride. I for one am very proud of the city I am from and currently reside in, I do everything I can to promote it. It's unfort
62 neveragain : That's a bit simplistic. Atlanta is the sixth busiest O&D airport in the country. Charlotte is not even in the top 30. There's no comparison exce
63 LAXdude1023 : Just curious, what are the top 10 or so?
64 neveragain : Check out page 255 of the DFW 2012C official statement (I can't seem to get the link to work): Go to dfwairport.com Select "Investors/Financial Infor
65 HPRamper : Oh goodness no, not a 45-60 minute drive to another airport. For most people, 45-60 minutes is a normal drive even within their own city. When there
66 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Link seems to work on my end page 255 http://dfwairport.com/cs/groups/publ...c/documents/webasset/p1_061045.pdf
67 neveragain : Thanks much! Not sure what I screwed up, but most probably user error.
68 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Glad to help Also interesting article on CLT/ATL (Top 10 fastest growing airports) http://www.aviationpros.com/news/107...ten-fastest-growing-airport
69 neveragain : In my experience, Mr. Boyd has the habit of making such statements regarding airports he works at, or wants to work at. I believe his forecast for AT
70 rmoore7734 : Yes when he mentions MEM in the top ten growth for passengers i figure something got to be off here, your statement makes sense
71 CV880 : It's not that simplistic.....ATL has NO competition from surrounding airports and CLT does. Locals from CLT have often in the past driven to surround
72 Jetmatt777 : No no, civic pride is on a much deeper level than that. Sure it's nice to showoff when your city lands a major development. But civic pride goes much
73 southwest737500 : I could see a E175 ion the CLT-TUL and CLT-OKC
74 brandonfsu05 : Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 47): Obviously CLT would be an important hub in any merger, but you're seriously naive if you don't think there would any "rig
75 neveragain : OK, I'm confused. Are you saying that CLT's O&D is depressed because the millions of O&D passengers from Statesville might choose to drive to
76 USAirALB : This is true, coupled with the fact of the high fares out of CLT for local passengers. I live in CLT's northern suburbs, and within the past year alo
77 neveragain : OK, you have 7.0m additional O&D passengers up for grabs from the airports listed above, with 4.5m of them coming from RDU alone. How many of the
78 GSPSPOT : However, in an AA/US merger scenario, the new combined entity would NEED a Southeastern U.S. hub to facilitate pax using its network to travel from s
79 neveragain : Who is saying AA-US would abandon CLT?
80 GSPSPOT : OK, I worded that wrong. I was taking issue with the poster's implicit assertion that DFW, MIA & ORD serve the same region/passengers as CLT - th
81 southwest737500 : CLT is not going anywhere, i still don't think the merger won't happen
82 flyguy89 : Well that wasn't the implication and I think that would be apparent when I said that CLT would obviously remain a large, important for the combined c
83 CV880 : Agreed CLT is a smaller city....no contest there. However the MSA/CSA's come near to overlapping the other cities that mentioned, and your assertion
84 Post contains links CV880 : Not really related to O&D, but to domestic and international US Airline traffic for the 1st half of 2012. http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/20...4
85 USAirALB : It's interesting to see how big a combined AA/US would be. Does anyone know of say the top 15 airports in the US for international traffic?
86 HPRamper : Purely originating traffic, or total enplanements?
87 CompensateMe : Yes, CLT is in a growing region that's adopted a large banking environment, but data doesn't lie: it has among the fewest local passengers of any hub
88 neveragain : Look at page 9 of the same DFW report from reply 66 for ranking of airport by international enplaned passengers. CLT number 18, but second fastest gr
89 neveragain : Sweet heavenly Jesus, I might as well give up. Facts don't seem to be of much use in the Carolinas. 2011 MSA population: Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill
90 PSU.DTW.SCE : This thread is very entertaining..... Based on the original topic of CLT expansion, right now a status-quo US is in a now-growth mode. Actually no one
91 incitatus : I am not skirting anything. You are. Distances: STL-ORD 260 mi PIT-PHL 270 mi CLT-DCA 330 mi If STL and PIT are "very close proximity" to ORD and PHL
92 Cubsrule : CLT-DCA is about the same distance as LAX-SFO. Should UA close the LAX focus?
93 neveragain : I don't want to speak for incitatus, but it hardly seems as if he was arguing CLT or DCA should be closed. (What is in the water in Charlotte for peo
94 Cubsrule : Neither would I, but the analogy fails because DCA is slotted, has a (softened) perimeter rule and lacks FIS. US cannot add flights from DCA to LAX,
95 neveragain : Of course. What I was implying (although admittedly not doing a very good job at it) was that I am sure the buildup of DCA inevitably resulted in red
96 Cubsrule : I think that's right, but remember that the DCA operation (and the LGA operation before it) has long had a lot of connecting possibilities because in
97 AVLAirlineFreq : This thread may make my head explode. The comparison between ATL and CLT is insane, on both sides of the argument. CLT is not ATL. They're not even cl
98 neveragain : More like inane. How can it be a backwater when it has the only rollercoaster to go through 2 states?! Some of my best summers growing up were spent
99 Cubsrule : But the merger doesn't change these data. They are what they are. So to have the discussion today, it has to be about the merger, doesn't it? Otherwi
100 neveragain : I'm not saying it does. But I'm saying there are much more substantive arguments being made here than "CLT will get smaller in a AA-US merger because
101 flyguy89 : LOL I'm not saying that "CLT will get smaller in a merger because MSP got smaller", I'm saying you would have a combination of new factors that would
102 neveragain : For the record, to avoid misinterpretation, I have found your thoughts to be well reasoned and of course I agree with you. I was just commenting on s
103 Post contains images point2point : Just to add my here to the discussion, it's seems that it's pretty much common wisdom that the airlines these days would rather have the O&D pax,
104 neveragain : 50%-60% connecting is probably a good rule of thumb for a "sustainable" hub, other assumptions (such as yield, domestic-international mix, etc.) unch
105 LAXdude1023 : I think ATL and DFW may be higher than 60% but Im not sure.
106 neveragain : ATL is indeed closer to 70%. DFW's is 58% (can be calculated from data on page 274 of that document at DFW's website . . . I thought you would have r
107 Post contains images point2point : Yes, I know, but it's not like these numbers are on one list..... a few sources like individual airport websites, or some math has to be done to figu
108 AVLAirlineFreq : Just to be clear, I was arguing against the same simplification in my earlier post.
109 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : I cant open it on my work computer and I had band practice last night! Im going to read it tonight tho.
110 CompensateMe : CPE are not based completely on fixed numbers. MIA's CPE, already among the country's highest, is expected to more than double in the upcoming years
111 Post contains images point2point : I also would like to add here that the the availability of the longer-haul international destinations might also help the overall big yield picture w
112 neveragain : Ain't that the truth? You're absolutely correct that judging a hub's profitability involves a much deeper analysis then the application of an otherwi
113 HPRamper : By not bringing up DCA, which indeed has nothing to do with...anything? How much money DCA makes is of no consequence because it's not a hub. The poi
114 Post contains images rmoore7734 : Maybe a Tech-Ops question from an aviation novice but what is that in the Red box ?
115 Cubsrule : IIRC, that's the proposed intermodal facility.
116 Post contains links rmoore7734 : Now i see thanks & found the article below with pic. http://www.theatlanticcities.com/job.../09/can-charlotte-rise-again/3153/
117 neveragain : Combination of intermodal facility and surface car parking (likely both for additional expansion and reprovision of car parking displaced from termin
118 Cubsrule : Aren't they going in the bottom of the new hourly garages?
119 Post contains images saab2000 : Is there actually serious talk of GRR for US Airways? I hear this brought up again and again but they pulled out a number of years ago and they seem t
120 neveragain : There is certainly a conceit on a.net that opening a route involves a lot of "talking" between airports and airlines. This is not the case the vast m
121 PSU.DTW.SCE : There are plenty of cases where there are "talks" / "Meetings" / "discussions" - almost in every single case when there are incentives or grants invo
122 neveragain : And usually that's the only time such "talks" will be held that involve anything more than simple discussions involving lease terms. And these circum
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