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Emirates Emergency Landing (EK 384)  
User currently offlinekazim786 From UK - England, joined Apr 2011, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21659 times:

I apologise if this has already been posted.
Just received news that Emirates flight EK 384 from Dubai to Bangkok made an emergency landing at Hyderabad at 9:08 in the morning.
Anyone have anymore information on this?

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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21577 times:

ARRIVED DIVERSION AIRPORT
Flight diverted due medical reasons.

http://www.emirates.com/english/plan...f94133b29e6e2e3d7a54e2c73ad302d1e5



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User currently offlinekazim786 From UK - England, joined Apr 2011, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21371 times:

Thanks for the info, just found out a Brazilian passenger developed cardiac problems and needed urgent medical attention.

User currently offlineAuchmithie From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21351 times:

Aircraft was new A380 A6-EDX.

User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16733 times:

So they got the 380 into India after all.

User currently offlineemirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

Wow, they landed at HYD for an emergency on BKK-DXB sometime last year. I guess it's in a good location for diversion.


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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 968 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11709 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 4):
So they got the 380 into India after all.

Finally. Hopefully sometime in the next millennium the Indian government will allow the beast for scheduled flights.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10920 times:

A medical diversion is not an emergency landing, it is a normal diversion with a serviceable aircraft.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 7):
A medical diversion is not an emergency landing, it is a normal diversion with a serviceable aircraft.

The emergency declared can be for getting medical vehicles to the Aircraft promptly and need not be for technical reasons.....



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
The emergency declared can be for getting medical vehicles to the Aircraft promptly and need not be for technical reasons.....

No, in that case, every air ambulance flight would declare an emergency.

If a person is that ill, they need immediate medical attendance, the last place you want to be is in an airliner in the cruise, it is at least 30 minutes before you would get external medical attention.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

It's very simple - if an emergency was declared, it was an emergency landing. The reason doesn't matter.


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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 10):

The only reason I would declare an emergency is if it was one of the crew required for the flight, and would result in less than full legal compliment.

I would not declare an emergency for a passenger, my responsibility is for the whole aircraft, and to all of the passengers, I am not going to do anything to expose them to additional risk. A diversion for medical reasons is a regular diversion, you do not fly the aircraft faster below MSA, fly a normal approach etc. People on the ground will be there to meet the aircraft, ground agents look after all that.

Diverting for a medical emergency is not he same as an emergency diversion.



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User currently offlineboysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Declaring an emergency maybe a procedure thing in order to bypass holding patterns at times of congestions surely?

User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5631 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 11):
The only reason I would declare an emergency is if it was one of the crew required for the flight, and would result in less than full legal compliment.

I would not declare an emergency for a passenger, my responsibility is for the whole aircraft, and to all of the passengers, I am not going to do anything to expose them to additional risk. A diversion for medical reasons is a regular diversion, you do not fly the aircraft faster below MSA, fly a normal approach etc. People on the ground will be there to meet the aircraft, ground agents look after all that.

Diverting for a medical emergency is not he same as an emergency diversion.

If a passenger is having a heart attack on a flight, don't you have to declare an emergency and get the plane on the ground pronto? Wouldn't you need priority for descent and priority for landing? I am by no means challenging your assertion/logic, just trying to understand better.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 13):

Typically when someone gets ill, the cabin crew are the first to start dealing with the situation, they will follow their procedures which includes getting external assistance over the sat phone, and possibly paging for a doctor. During this time the aircraft continues towards the destination, the flight crew are often unaware of what has transpired. If the cabin crew have time they will call the cockpit and let them know someone is unwell.

The organisation we use for telephone medical assistance are the medical people who make the recommendation to divert, they maybe in contact with the airline operations who liaise with they crew to see what airports are available. It is the captains decision where to divert, and if they will divert at all. What I have described so far can easily take 30 minutes, then there is another 30 minute descent, minimum. Depending on where we are, I may not land immediately anyway, the closest suitable airport maybe hours away. Suitable is a grey word, it does not mean the closest runway that is big enough to handle the aircraft, we look at Wx conditions, approaches, ATC, RFF, engineering support, pax handling, customs/immigration, and crew familiarity. For example I would prefer going to one of our normal destination or alternate airports a litter further away, rather than the closest. It is a safer option for everyone.

The captain has the greater responsibility for the rest of the passengers and the aircraft. When requesting the clearance for a diversion you would advise ATC it is for medical reasons. However, pilots and cabin crew are not medically qualified to make a clinical diagnosis, that includes heart attacks and apparent death.

The pilots do not need to organise medical assistance upon landing, our ops people, and the organisation we use for telemedicine do all of that.

If a passenger is that gravely ill in cruise, it would be likely they would have passed before the aircraft is on the ground and external medical assistance can be provided. Even if there is a doctor on board, it is not uncommon for that doctor not to be an emergency specialist, and they can only provide limited relief with the medical kit that is carried on board. A commercial airliner is not a flying intensive care unit, and most ambulances likewise when they meet an aircraft also are not capable of providing intensive care. You need to be relatively stable to survive,



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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Zeke
have all respects for you and all fellow cockpit crew but though what you said is accurate and correct according to the textbook, dont you think it comes accross as a tad incompassionate.

Last year myself had a bout of chest pain on a flight from blr to bom flying at flt lvl 36 . the 9w pilot at the time on being alerted by the cabin crew declared emergency as i later learnt cleared airspace for urgent descent and asked for top priority landing and we were on the ground in about 20 mins total where the medics were waiting. i myself am a doctor so was advising the crew on what to do ironically.

wouldnt you want to have the quickest possible route to the nearest available airport in the shortest time to give the pax a fair shot at survival rather than having a normal decent and deciding where to divert

especially in cardiac cases every second matters, and though you maybe right that if a pax has an attack at cruise chances are he will have passed before the ground medical staff get to him, but give him every possible chance by clearing the airways declare an emergency and get that aircraft down fast!!

here at BOM we have regular ATC holds of upto 60-75 mins sometimes so wouldnt you declare an emergency and get the pax down than wait in queue and hope. Also more than the person affected the family member or friend accompanying is almost always in shock and needs help too.
luckily the man in question is doing well in a HYD hospital so i guess well done all concerned

Quoting zeke (Reply 14):
I would prefer going to one of our normal destination or alternate airports a litter further away, rather than the closest. It is a safer option for everyone.

Yeah except for the person who may have died and his/her reative/friend

Again salute all the cabin and cockpit crew for what they do in a stressful environment but a little compassion never hurt anyone!
cheers
DR GAURAV PAI


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 15):

It may sound incompassionate, it is however procedure. We are not medically trained, we cannot make clinical assessments, nor are we able to help ourselves to the doctors kit onboard. I think in the past few years I would have had half dozen passengers complain of chest pains. I did not need to divert for any of them, the telemedicine people assessed them as having other issues, not heart attacks.

As I mentioned, my greater responsibility is for the the other passengers that have nothing wrong with them, and a perfectly serviceable aircraft. Those other passengers also have families, and they would not want to see their loved ones exposed to undue risk. For a medical diversion we will advise ATC, and they will assist where possible, at the same time I am not going to fly through thunderstorms or land where Wx conditions make it illegal.

Can ask where they diverted you to ? Goa or Pune by any chance ?



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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
For a medical diversion we will advise ATC, and they will assist where possible

yes sir i agree!

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
at the same time I am not going to fly through thunderstorms or land where Wx conditions make it illegal.

absolutely, that goes without saying as that will put even other passengers and the aircraft at risk, this was not said in the original article in this instance yes definitely    Also i implied if weather and other factor permit why go far if a nearer airport available?

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
Can ask where they diverted you to ? Goa or Pune by any chance ?

well we were 88nm from mumbai when the episode started and mumbai ATC was advising airlines holds of 45-60 mins which was bypassed thanks to the crew which is why i made the post.


we landed in mumbai way before schedule

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
It may sound incompassionate, it is however procedure.

yes thats what i started my post with, total respect for you and fellow crew who do their jobs but sometimes it just seems a tad incosiderate, nonetheless thanks for sharing your views .Do you work with cx or ka or hx.? if i may ask

cheers
DR GAURAV PAI


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
It may sound incompassionate, it is however procedure.

I´m sorry, but while they may be the procedures at YOUR airline, many of the things you describe happened very differently in one of Les Abend´s columns in Flying magazine. I believe he is an 777 Captain at AA. That particular column appeared three or four months ago. I´ll attempt to provide a link.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

As gaurav mentioned,at some airports the holding time can be long......getting a Pax to a ground medical facility in the fastest possible time can make a difference........the call on declaring a medical emergency lies with the captain based on the fedback recvd by the cabin crew & advise of any professional medical practitioner on board......


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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
getting a Pax to a ground medical facility in the fastest possible time can make a difference

Probably the fact that i could write the post and be alive    and well.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
many of the things you describe happened very differently

certainly not the procedure with 9w and Ek as far as i know...am Both Skywards and JP gold and have had many flights (read 3-4) diverted for medical reasons varying in seriousness (not to me) so agree with Hawk21M..

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
while they may be the procedures at YOUR airline

thats why i humbly asked which airline you flew for!

cheers
DR GAURAV PAI


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
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Quoting kann123air (Reply 6):
Finally. Hopefully sometime in the next millennium the Indian government will allow the beast for scheduled flights.

Maybe that day is closer than you think?

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/1397...a-may-allow-a380s-%E2%80%93-report

Quote:
But according to a report by Malaysia’s Bernama news agency, citing an official with India’s Ministry of Civil Aviation, the country is planning to allow airlines to use their A380s as part of existing bilateral agreements. The number of seats permitted under the agreements however, is likely to remain unchanged.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 17):

88 nm out, so you were only 15 min from your normal destination, but you did not go to the closest, which was PNQ. PNQ is 67 nm from BOM, would have been about 10 minutes closer. The crew therefore elected to continue to their normal destination with known holding, rather than a closer normal destination for the airline with possibly no delays.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):

Unfortunately a lot of what airlines do these days is driven by insurance companies, given the limited number of underwriters, I think procedures required by the would be fairly universal.



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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 22):
The crew therefore elected to continue to their normal destination with known holding

correct but they bypassed the holding pattern getting immediately on the ground straight in i was looking at the airshow map it was stright in runway 27 at BOM not even a minutes hold which is a miracle at BOM nowadays at 1030pm where you are lucky to get anything below 45 mins holding pattern minimum.
anyway i am here alive and alls well that ends well so yeah its all good

Quoting zeke (Reply 22):
did not go to the closest, which was PNQ

two reasons and i know this for a fact , when it was decided that it was more serious and i needed help we would have taken the same time to PNQ and BOM from that point
secondly Bom is my home destination and has better medical facilities at the airport than PNQ which though developing is a smaller airport so in my case glad they went to mumbai and again thanks to the crew the ATC the airport emergency team and all who helped that day

gives me hope in humanity when you see some things   

DR GAURAV PAI


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 23):

I agree with the factors you mentioned, better facilities etc, over going to the closest. That contradicts with your previous comment, going to the closest in the shortest amount of time. PNQ was the closest, and BOM not only has delays in the air, with the amount of work they ate doing on the ground, and how busy it gets, you can also have extensive ground delays.

"wouldnt you want to have the quickest possible route to the nearest available airport in the shortest time to give the pax a fair shot at survival rather than having a normal decent and deciding where to divert"

I am not saying it was a bad decision, I would have done the same, you would already have the BOM approach charts out, loaded the FMC with the approach, have the Wx conditions etc, briefed the arrival. BOM is a funny airport, the delays are inconsistent, I have had no delay straight in high speed, and over an hours holding. When you advise ATC, they are normally pretty good at slotting you in, no need for unusual techniques or procedures for medical reasons.



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25 rcair1 : I would have to agree - and I would also state that it does not fit with protocols we use as emergency medical responders. I take some exception to t
26 zeke : We are not in emergency medicine, we have our own protocols to follow. We do not go around dispensing controlled medications, performing procedures,
27 gauravpai : valid point there for eg one of the emergencies was onboard 9w bom-bkk and we were close to port blair which would have been a suitable airport , but
28 zeke : The BOM-BKK route takes you a fair way north of IXZ, sure you did not mean BLR-BKK ? IXZ does have runway lights, approach lights, and an ILS, howeve
29 gauravpai : Agree to all your points there! No it definitely was BOM BKK as there is no scheduled BLR BKK 9w service I said IXZ as it was the closest point on th
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