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Colombian Aviation #11  
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

Since the last thread passed 200 replies, it's time for a new installment. Can't believe we've made it to #11!

Last ideas on the #10 topic were the changes in the domestic schedule, including the new applications to Aerocivil, mainly for domestic routes by Easyfly and Avianca and the decreases and increases in the LAN network as they continue to adjust.

On the international side, there will be some frequency increases by AV, LH is going daily to BOG starting with the winter schedule and B6 is launching JFK-CTG.

BOG is getting a new state of the air traffic control centre, which hasn't been free of controversy due to the cost.

To a good discussion!


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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

I can't remember or recall where I saw it but, I believe there was talk of AV getting a new color scheme, or at least looking into it, can anyone confirm?


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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13349 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 1):
I can't remember or recall where I saw it but, I believe there was talk of AV getting a new color scheme, or at least looking into it, can anyone confirm?

No official statements on the new livery for AVTA. At this moment an AV A332 is being re-painted in Star Alliance livery, and will be the first A332 transferred to TA Peru. Rumors says, they will keep the AV livery and have TA interior.

[Edited 2012-10-08 03:14:42]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13316 times:

I don't think AV's livery needs updating. I think SXDFC may be confused with TA might be getting the AV livery seeing that the decision to keep the AV brand alone has been taken now.

I bought an AV 787 scale model when I was in BOG a few months ago and noticed the Avianca titles are bigger but that is about the only change. Making the titles bigger is a good improvement. AV's current livery is very well identifiable and is one of the few brands that is so recognisable.

A388


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13132 times:

Hello All!

New Here, long time reader, I guess I never had the balls to sign up and comment on stuff.

I think we're facing some very interesting times in colombian aviation, Avianca's expansion, LAN's purchase of Aires, and the sustained growth of all the smaller carriers in the country, but most important of all is the job openings this has created, ten years ago Colombia was going through some very tough times, thankfully that is all behind us.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 1):

I hope AV doesn't change its livery, I personally think it looks good, but in truth anything after the Summa fiasco was going to be an improvement.

J.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 4):
Hello All!

New Here, long time reader, I guess I never had the balls to sign up and comment on stuff.

Welcome to the forum!

It's been officially announced (previously known) that the Avianca (Aerovías del Continente Americano) brand will be retained for all of the operations in the AviancaTaca group:

http://www.caracol.com.co/noticias/e...l-unica/20121010/nota/1776805.aspx

One of the A330s is receiving the Star livery in BOG and will be the one transferring to LIM shortly. It will be interesting to see how the re-branding is done to Tampa's upcoming A330Fs! Avianca Cargo? Aviancargo?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4466 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13061 times:

AV BOG-GIG goes from 5x to 7x weekly from December 17th: 319 all the way !
It would complement the existing TA LIM-GIG 7x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12991 times:

I think it was a smart move on behalf of AV/TA lose the Taca part of the name, IMHO the key here was to keep one of the names instead of going with a full rebranding.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 5):
Quote:
It will be interesting to see how the re-branding is done to Tampa's upcoming A330Fs! Avianca Cargo? Aviancargo?

I hope they paint Tampa's a330's in Avianca colors, they would look better than the boring white they have on their 67's now and it would allow them to continue moving forward towards having a single brand.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 5):
Quote:
One of the A330s is receiving the Star livery in BOG and will be the one transferring to LIM shortly.

Do you know which one it will be? I heard it was going to be N975AV but just a rumour, also where will they paint it? AVA's hangars at TPA aren't big enough to fit an A330. Maybe Tampa's hangar at RNG is big enough? I know its capable of fitting a B763 inside.

J.

[Edited 2012-10-11 02:52:50]


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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 7):
I think it was a smart move on behalf of AV/TA lose the Taca part of the name, IMHO the key here was to keep one of the names instead of going with a full rebranding.

And the unification of brands and livery to Avianca, will make it easier and faster to transfer more planes in the Synergy group.

Quoting trent772 (Reply 7):
Do you know which one it will be? I heard it was going to be N975AV but just a rumour, also where will they paint it? AVA's hangars at TPA aren't big enough to fit an A330. Maybe Tampa's hangar at RNG is big enough? I know its capable of fitting a B763 inside.

They say actually it is being re-painted in Star Alliance livery in MDE (RNG), and it is N279AV delivered to Avianca 14 January 2012.


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12864 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 8):
Quote:
They say actually it is being re-painted in Star Alliance livery in MDE (RNG), and it is N279AV delivered to Avianca 14 January 2012.

Nice! One of the newer and also one of the lighter frames on AV's fleet.


From the rumour mill,

It has been said that the deal with ATR to replace the Fokker 50's has fallen apart, the reason? it appears Bombardier has not only agreed to handover the airplanes (Q400) for a great price but has also agreed to fix MZL and TCO's runways, the deal is for 10-12 planes but it can change to 20+ if LAN finally decides to pull out of the regional market. Again only a rumour, I think this is kind of interesting.

Thoughts?



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12836 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 9):
Nice! One of the newer and also one of the lighter frames on AV's fleet.

maybe a hint for a sooner or later LIM-MAD ops?

cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 9):
It has been said that the deal with ATR to replace the Fokker 50's has fallen apart, the reason? it appears Bombardier has not only agreed to handover the airplanes (Q400) for a great price but has also agreed to fix MZL and TCO's runways, the deal is for 10-12 planes but it can change to 20+ if LAN finally decides to pull out of the regional market. Again only a rumour, I think this is kind of interesting.

Whoa! Where did you hear this? It's amazing news! The Dashes are very cool aircraft. Also, the fact that BBD would agree to extend the runways at MZL and TCO at their own cost means that they really want this deal!

I guess they're also aiming at some point to replace the regional ATR fleet in Central America.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12706 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
maybe a hint for a sooner or later LIM-MAD ops?

We will most likely see LIM-MAD in 2013. My guess first LIM-EZE, LIM-MIA, and LIM-GRU with the new A332. If TA (AV) plans to run daily LIM-MAD, at least two A332 should be available. And Synergy Group has more A330's on order. Let's see about long-haul fleet transfer/rotation after TA adopt AV's brand.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
Whoa! Where did you hear this? It's amazing news! The Dashes are very cool aircraft. Also, the fact that BBD would agree to extend the runways at MZL and TCO at their own cost means that they really want this deal!

Absolutely but I see a problem where AV can't match the demand on routes where the Q400 is too big. ATR gives them that flexibility with the ATR42 and ATR72 Next Gen. Fixing runways isn't going to bring down your costs if you use an aircraft that is too big for certain routes. From an appeal point of view, I do like the Q400.

A388


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
Whoa! Where did you hear this? It's amazing news! The Dashes are very cool aircraft. Also, the fact that BBD would agree to extend the runways at MZL and TCO at their own cost means that they really want this deal!

It's not official, just a rumour for now, but the person I heard it from is very high up the organizational ladder, the part that excites me the most is actually not the airplane supplier, but the number of frames in the deal and the fact that it could double if Aires withdraws from the regional market, If this happens I think AV would jump right in and start doing a lot of regional flying (it's a gold mine!!), it was also mentioned that they're getting ready for the arrival of the "new airplane" and that next year no A330 copilots will transition to the left seat of the A320, they will be going to the left seat of the new turboprop instead.

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
Absolutely but I see a problem where AV can't match the demand on routes where the Q400 is too big. ATR gives them that flexibility with the ATR42 and ATR72 Next Gen. Fixing runways isn't going to bring down your costs if you use an aircraft that is too big for certain routes. From an appeal point of view, I do like the Q400.

Which routes are you referring to? The Fokker 50's are being mostly used to MZL as pretty much every other route has been upgraded to the A318, EJA, NVA for example, IBE is the next city to get A318 service once the apron is expanded as the runway is fully capable of handling the plane.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12611 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
Absolutely but I see a problem where AV can't match the demand on routes where the Q400 is too big.
Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
ATR gives them that flexibility with the ATR42 and ATR72 Next Gen. Fixing runways isn't going to bring down your costs if you use an aircraft that is too big for certain routes.

The only route in the Avianca system that might not have enough traffic to warrant Q400 service at the current schedule might be CLO-TCO, but it could just be reduced from 2x to 1x daily and that's it. All of the other cities have sufficient traffic to warrant the Dashes, with maybe a few tweaks in the schedule but nothing major.

Also, one of the advantages of the Q400 is their very low CASM. They can transport up to 70 pax, but they break even with half that load, bringing the ATR-42/72 commonality to a disadvantage.

Quoting troest (Reply 12):

We will most likely see LIM-MAD in 2013.

Probably. Let's hope the wide bodies and the brand unification give the LIM hub the final push it needs to start seriously growing. TA has been very inconsistent with the schedule as of late.

Quoting trent772 (Reply 14):
but the number of frames in the deal and the fact that it could double if Aires withdraws from the regional market, If this happens I think AV would jump right in and start doing a lot of regional flying

That is also great. It would mean a huge increase in the schedules, bringing the BOG hub to more than 200 daily domestic departures.

Quoting trent772 (Reply 14):
Which routes are you referring to? The Fokker 50's are being mostly used to MZL as pretty much every other route has been upgraded to the A318, EJA, NVA for example, IBE is the next city to get A318 service once the apron is expanded as the runway is fully capable of handling the plane.

Well none of those have been entirely upgraded to A318s, they get A318s flights combined with the Fokkers. Also, how economical would it be to fly them to IBE, AV's shortest route from BOG? The plane would be in the air for 20 minutes at most!



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User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12578 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
how economical would it be to fly them to IBE, AV's shortest route from BOG?

I've yet to hear any numbers for the route and the A318 is not a very economical airplane compared to other similar types, it is way too heavy for a 100pax frame, its DOW is 40tons, the E-190 is much much lighter for example.
AV charges a lot for this short hop, so the economics could be there.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
The plane would be in the air for 20 minutes at most!

That's mad!, it has to be one of the shortest scheduled flights in a jet in the world! If I remember correctly flight time in the F50 was just under 20 mins, it would be interesting to see what speed they compute the flight plan with, Of course I'm talking about flight time because with the circus clowns we have posing as air traffic controllers in Colombia (the ones in BOG are very unprofessional, even dangerous at times!) the time to taxi from TPA to runway 13R could double or even triple the flight time.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
It would mean a huge increase in the schedules, bringing the BOG hub to more than 200 daily domestic departures.

I also think this would also allow AV entrance into EOH once Aires is out of there, there is a huge market from Olaya Herrera, this is where I think the Q400 (or ATR) will do wonders for the company.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

Just to add more about the unification of brands in the AviancaTaca Holding. Avianca (and Taca) will introduce a new interior, i guess in their narrow-body fleet. It will be equipped with leather seats and individual screens, have more leg-space and recline both in Business and Economy class. The next A320 delivered to AV will introduce the new features.

LInk only in Spanish: http://www.larepublica.net/app/cms/w...ticulo=5332268


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12563 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 17):
The next A320 delivered to AV will introduce the new features.

There's one already in the fleet with the new interior, N195AV if I'm not mistaken, I had a chance to be in it last week, lots of changes from the other A320's, no bulkheads separating B/C from Y, red and blue led lights in different shades on the ceiling and a few changes in the cockpit as well, different transponder system, no cockpit entrance camera, different exterior lights arrangement.

It's either N195AV or N448AV, both in Star Alliance livery, they're both recent additions to the fleet.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12549 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 16):
I also think this would also allow AV entrance into EOH once Aires is out of there, there is a huge market from Olaya Herrera, this is where I think the Q400 (or ATR) will do wonders for the company.

Would they be allowed in EOH with 70 seat aircraft? As far as I'm concerned only 9R is allowed to do this, the rest of the airlines are limited to up to 50 seats. Maybe they'll grow regional flying out of MDE when LAN exits the EOH market.

Nonetheless, if we're talking about 10 extra Q400s; LAN's operation in EOH right now consists of three Q200s with flights to PEI, MTR, APO, UIB and IBE, so the majority will still be going to BOG, maybe one or two to CLO.



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User currently offlinePDPsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12552 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 14):
It's not official, just a rumour for now, but the person I heard it from is very high up the organizational ladder, the part that excites me the most is actually not the airplane supplier, but the number of frames in the deal and the fact that it could double if Aires withdraws from the regional market, If this happens I think AV would jump right in and start doing a lot of regional flying (it's a gold mine!!), it was also mentioned that they're getting ready for the arrival of the "new airplane" and that next year no A330 copilots will transition to the left seat of the A320, they will be going to the left seat of the new turboprop instead.
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 19):
Would they be allowed in EOH with 70 seat aircraft? As far as I'm concerned only 9R is allowed to do this, the rest of the airlines are limited to up to 50 seats. Maybe they'll grow regional flying out of MDE when LAN exits the EOH market.

If true, this is, indeed, a very interesting rumor. Replacement regional aircraft alternatives for the F50 fleet have been discussed for ages. One key question involves the TA regional ATR fleet, one would imagine the Q400's would replace those as well.

On a related note, there have been several rumors regarding the fate of the TA E190 fleet as well. Perhaps a fellow member has information regarding these as well...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12531 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
The only route in the Avianca system that might not have enough traffic to warrant Q400 service at the current schedule might be CLO-TCO, but it could just be reduced from 2x to 1x daily and that's it. All of the other cities have sufficient traffic to warrant the Dashes, with maybe a few tweaks in the schedule but nothing major.

Also, one of the advantages of the Q400 is their very low CASM. They can transport up to 70 pax, but they break even with half that load, bringing the ATR-42/72 commonality to a disadvantage.

Okay, I stand corrected. About flying half empty aircraft because the aircraft breaks even then, I don't think that is what any airline wants. At some point it will cost you but seeing that AV apparently doesn't have many routes that require 50 seats, the Q400 is an option. Now that the Q400 will probably take over some A318 routes where will these A318's be used? Expand to new regional markets? Or was it always the intention of AV to have the A318 for a short time in their fleet?

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 19):
Would they be allowed in EOH with 70 seat aircraft? As far as I'm concerned only 9R is allowed to do this, the rest of the airlines are limited to up to 50 seats. Maybe they'll grow regional flying out of MDE when LAN exits the EOH market.

I've heard the same from local spotters in MDE that only Satena is allowed to operate larger aircraft to/from EOH because they are government owned. I hope AV is allowed to fly in and out of EOH with their Q400's, in that case I will definately visit EOH again in the future 

A388


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 19):
As far as I'm concerned only 9R is allowed to do this, the rest of the airlines are limited to up to 50 seats. Maybe they'll grow regional flying out of MDE when LAN exits the EOH market.

I had no idea such restrictions were in place, the only one I knew of was the one that allowed Satena to fly to EOH from BOG, this is definitely something the bean-counters should look into.
I always thought giving Satena the chance to have scheduled services to EOH from BOG was unfair to every other airline out there, but someone told me that it's that very route what keeps them alive.

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
was it always the intention of AV to have the A318 for a short time in their fleet?

It is my understanding that these were to stay in the fleet for a not too long period of time, these were taken up by Avianca because the lessor made them an offer they couldn't refuse, I'm guessing they will be replaced with newer A319's in the future(hopefully with sharklets).



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12457 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 22):
I had no idea such restrictions were in place, the only one I knew of was the one that allowed Satena to fly to EOH from BOG, this is definitely something the bean-counters should look into.

The restriction to 50 seater aircraft is due to the security concerns over the approach and take off in the narrow Aburrá Valley and into the middle of the city, which were the main reason why MDE was built. SATENA was given an exception to fly 70 seaters into the airport, but anything larger has to go to MDE.

Quoting trent772 (Reply 22):
I always thought giving Satena the chance to have scheduled services to EOH from BOG was unfair to every other airline out there, but someone told me that it's that very route what keeps them alive.

It used to be the route that was keeping them alive. One the fierce competition with AIRES began, the government deregulated fares and the airlines flying to MDE started charging $40USD one way to and from BOG, SATENA's inefficient structure suddenly lost it's main subsidy: the prime that passengers flying to EOH would pay for the convenience of flying into the downtown airport. SATENA went through very rough times and the airline had to be restructured, proof of that is that the entire Embraer fleet was replaced by much more fuel efficient ATRs. There is a supposed semi-privatization process going on, but it's been slower than hell.

Quoting trent772 (Reply 22):
It is my understanding that these were to stay in the fleet for a not too long period of time, these were taken up by Avianca because the lessor made them an offer they couldn't refuse,

Avianca's Fokker 100s were falling apart and spares were becoming increasingly expensive. When MX went down suddenly a lot of spare capacity was available and these new-ish A318s with a couple of factory new A320s and some ex-MX A319s were the perfect replacement to the 15-strong F100 fleet, and also provided a little bit of capacity growth.

Edit: Just saw this crazy Avianca fare sale to MAD and BCN from any city in Colombia for $449 USD r/t! That's insane! Great to see these deals, every day it's cheaper to fly to Spain from Colombia. Let's keep it that way.

[Edited 2012-10-12 14:59:31]


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User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
SATENA went through very rough times and the airline had to be restructured, proof of that is that the entire Embraer fleet was replaced by much more fuel efficient ATRs. There is a supposed semi-privatization process going on, but it's been slower than hell.

In my opinion the government should close down Satena, send all the FAC pilots back to their bases where they belong, let the military pilots stick to what they know, they have no place flying commercial.
Establish some sort of program that will guarantee all the small communities the air service they need, something like they do in the U.S. with the EAS program, I think there are airlines fully capable of handling such contracts, Searca comes to mind, also this would allow smaller airlines to expand under government subsidy and with the amount of cash involved a lot of jobs could be created.



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25 clo1973 : Difficult to do since the route has 80% load factor.
26 AA767LOVER : Cool, so this ends my laughs in calling them Grupo CACA. I used to think that of them until I had a very good experience with TACA this past April. T
27 Post contains links RCS763AV : Well than not even CLO-TCO would have trouble filling up the Q400s. another route that got me thinking was BOG-FLA, but that one seems to be doing re
28 Post contains links RCS763AV : BOG's international terminal will officially start operating tomorrow, inauguration is planned for today: http://www.portafolio.co/economia/el...lub-a
29 trent772 : It's great news that Viva Colombia's plan to get people off buses and put them into airplanes appears to be working, its exactly what Colombia needed
30 A388 : Too bad I missed it as I was flying in and out of BOG several times between June and September!!! Does anyone know if the new terminal building will
31 Post contains links RCS763AV : To those whom it may interest: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...portugal-tap-idUSBRE89H0X520121018 Synergy is the final potential bidder for TAP
32 summa767 : Although negotiations could break at any time, it does look as if Synergy is close to acquiring TAP. This is interesting as it is is risky. TAP has a
33 RCS763AV : Agree. But this is Efromovich's specialty, buying cheap, practically non viable companies and turning them around. It's how he made his fortune. Ther
34 Post contains images A388 : Interesting news and I've said it before, I see Mr. Efromovich taking over TP and as has been said before "everything he touches, turns into gold" Se
35 trent772 : It appears that Aires has received another A320, it's parked over at the engine run test area close to the threshold of runway 13R, it is CC registere
36 A388 : That is definately true. In the past I've seen a photo of a scale model of an Ocean Air 787, will some of the 787's AV ordered go to AV Brasil? By th
37 RCS763AV : No. They're all intended for AviancaTaca. The A350s though are Synergy orders. Well this means three things, two good, one very bad: 1. BBD is very c
38 Post contains links and images trent772 : Sad indeed as I think the Palestina airport will not happen, at least not for the next ten years or so. Extreme corruption is present everywhere in C
39 av757 : Yesterday afternoon on October 22, A330-243 N279AV c/n1279 was ferried from SKRG to SPIM to be delivered to Taca-Peru. It was repainted in the white S
40 Post contains images Standby87 : Hi, Hola Does anyone know anything about Emirates plans to fly to Bogota from Dubai? It must be 4 years ago that I read that Colombia and the UAE sign
41 RCS763AV : Well that must be exactly what happened. A 1000m runway doesn't even allow any aircraft larger than a Dash-Q200/300 to take off, at any altitude. Bac
42 Post contains links RCS763AV : AV is expanding flights, most destinations are known but apparently additional capacity to MIA is being added: http://colombiareports.com/travel-in...
43 clo1973 : Yesterday Aerogal started its operation GYE-CLO-GYE, load factor of first flight was 91% and 95 out of the 110 people aboard were heading to MAD (GYE-
44 RCS763AV : This will be the new adjusted schedule to MIA from BOG by Avianca, with the third flight on the mid-day bank and the afternoon flight adjusted to bet
45 Avianca : I am quite surprised that the 18:00 arrival is not turning around same night, in my opinion they should put a 4rd flight and downgrade the a330 to an
46 RCS763AV : I think a fourth flight would be unnecessary and less economical, plus due to the amount of J class pax on this route the A330 is needed for the morn
47 777jaah : I'm taking this flight in 2 months. Nice schedule, that allow an a not-so-late arrival to MIA. Something similar to what AA has. For some reason, AV
48 Post contains links trent772 : I guess the Q400 is getting closer to becoming a reality, this was a test of the runway only, they didn't taxi onto the apron, no problem executing th
49 RCS763AV : Yes, the tests in Manizales went well. There will be taxiway and ramp extensions to be made, but if Bombardier is willing to assume the cost, well th
50 Post contains links RCS763AV : Here's the announcement from AV about the frequency increases: http://www.avianca.com/NR/rdonlyres/...8AVincrementafrecuencias241012.pdf The internati
51 Post contains images trent772 : That's really interesting, any ideas on the times of the day it will operate? This would be Avianca's third destination in Brazil, maybe Manaus will
52 A388 : Great news but I thaught CUR was performing better than AUA. Still AUA gets the A320 while CUR gets a combination of A320/319/318? A388
53 summa767 : BSB has been operational for a few months now. It's a Taca flight that originates in SJO and continues to BSB, timed to get connecting traffic. Not g
54 colinatl : Can anyone comment on how operations are going at the new Bogota terminal building?
55 777jaah : I think this is the flight operated by TA that starts in SJO. Isn't the bilateral already to its max?? I don't think the kirchner edministration woul
56 Post contains images trent772 : I heard that much of the traffic (75%+) is connecting with IAD I thought Avianca was starting its own flight.
57 RCS763AV : It´s been operated by TA for months now. The bilateral frequencies on the colombian side are maxed out already. Some by TA (1-2 SJO, 1 SAL, 2 LIM fr
58 trent772 : Well…. I do, I have family there, so it would be great for me if AV restarted flights to UIO. How do you figure its cheaper to operate the flights
59 RCS763AV : Again, why? It's basically the same product on Aerogal and it will be the exact same product and brand once the integration is finished by the end of
60 Post contains images trent772 : Again, I have family there, but I'm not gonna discuss it, at least not with you. Where did you get the information that it was costlier to fly Avianc
61 summa767 : Where do your figures come from? I actually make it to be 39% up to Aug from the Aerocivil's stats, which would qualify as dismal for the length of t
62 CRFLY : SJO 18x weekly (A320/E190, A318, A319)??? Really? Since when? On SABRE there are just two daily flights, one operated by LR (which most of the days co
63 RCS763AV : Ok, let's first take some time to read what I wrote. I'm not going against the fact that you have family there (which is irrelevant to the argument i
64 Post contains images 777jaah : In a normal world yes. But not in a.net!!!!! Anyway, if 45-50% of LPB pax feed the IAD flight, that's a huge number. The IAD route is becomng more in
65 RCS763AV : Indeed. As I said before the feed from LPB is essential to the operation of IAD. Indeed. It wouldn't surprise me if it went 2x daily in the mid term.
66 summa767 : 75% connecting traffic, not just LPB makes sense. No one has mentioned that *all* the connections are LPB, just that its usual to have around 50 pax
67 RCS763AV : Indeed. Indeed, but what I was actually arguing about was this, That 75% of ALL pax on the IAD flight were coming from LPB, which is preposterous. (T
68 ACES320 : Never say never. For a start the Gulf carriers are not very keen on tag-on sectors. If started, this would be an ULH either way with the Venezuela st
69 RCS763AV : Well EK do fly tag-ons from BKK, SYD and MEL to HKG, AKL and I think CHC, and form GIG to EZE and QR flies from GRU to EZE. The fact that neither BOG
70 ACES320 : True, I couldn't agree more, but these tag-ons are imposed by range restrictions. DXB to NZ is outside the range envelope. The BKK case which I have
71 777jaah : I would put LIM on the list of candidates. But for the short term, I think we'll have to wait a while before we see any M/E metal in BOG.
72 RCS763AV : So Jetblue's 1st flight from JFK to CTG took place in spite of Sandy's recent stumble upon New York. Congrats to them on this new flight. Agree. God I
73 trent772 : Had the chance to be there, lots of people on the ramp taking pictures, it looked to be a flight with a decent load, maybe not all of them were fare
74 777jaah : You can bet on it. Probably lots of tourism and B6 executives.
75 trent772 : Five of AV's A318's will be given an increase in MTOW and Thrust, from 64,5t to 68t MTOW and from 21.700lbs to 23,600lbs of thrust at TOGA. this is a
76 777jaah : Maybe ORD or not enough legs?
77 Post contains images ACES320 : They are planned for retirement along with the A340-300 and the 77E early models, but they will still be around for a while yet. At least a couple mo
78 Post contains links RCS763AV : Exactly. In a couple of years, when the routes to northern south america become viable, the -500s will be gone from the middle eastern fleets. Don't
79 trent772 : And to think that a year ago LAN arrogantly landed on Colombian soil thinking they would do the same thing they did in Ecuador and Peru, instead they
80 bogota : Where did you see an arrogant attitude on behalf of LAN, the only arrogance has come by many AV followers that keep underestimating LAN´s ability to
81 RCS763AV : Actually I think LAN has had lukewarm results in Colombia so far. In fact, I think that the real competition hasn't really started, it will when they
82 trent772 : A know a few people that work there, I remeber them telling me how once LAN took over Aires they would change air travel in Colombia, that they would
83 MATURRO727 : Well not by LAN prcisisley but form a certain user that remind us several times a day that LAN is the best carrier in the world. In the passenger and
84 SJOtoLIR : You meant TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB 4x weekly. I'm not clear if the status of their available frequencies in Brazil might change once the integration process
85 RCS763AV : There shouldn't be any problem, after all the different AOCs will be kept, so even if it's an AV branded flight, it will be operated by a costa rican
86 Post contains links and images A388 : Guys, I have another of my Colombia photos added to the database. This time it's my window view of my flight from Curacao to Bogota in August. See my
87 AA767LOVER : Have need of help. Aside from getting shot by narco motogangs in Medellin or in their crossfire since I know no one naming a price on my head, could a
88 Post contains links MATURRO727 : Hi! Great you are coming to Colombia! Specially Medellin. Are you planning to stay the whole layover at the airport? If not, I strongly recommend you
89 AA767LOVER : Speaking of which, if cab is the best way (safest?) to get to downtown, how much would that cost in $USD? Pesos? I'm fluent in Spanish having lived in
90 777jaah : Maybe you can hire a cab for the day. They will drive you down from MDE to town. Maybe go to the other side of the runway in EOH, sit ont he stands o
91 A388 : Guys, what's the latest development of Mr. Efromovich take-over bid of TP? Is it going to happen or not? A388
92 Post contains links RCS763AV : A quick google search should answer your question, http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...ulo-386667-hacer-negocios-portugal President Santos and a g
93 miguel0881 : Enjoy Medellin. I spent an entire week there a couple of years ago and had a great time. It's a fabulous city. Don't know if you're planning to limit
94 A388 : Some times people know things (such as inside information or information received from other friends etc...) that cannot be found on google. This is
95 Colombia : Hi first post, Just so You get the idea, the 6990FT of elevation does not affect the performance as much as a combination of a huge down slope( you n
96 MATURRO727 : I would say cab is the fastest and safest way around, and it will probably cost you around 70 dollars round trip. As mentioned above MDE is about 30
97 RCS763AV : Hey! Welcome to the forum, hope we get to have great discussions on here. Thanks for the insight, it is indeed a very limited airport.
98 miguel0881 : Thanks for this advice. I noticed that AV has the most frequencies, so will likely go with them. Looking forward to flying again with AV. Last time w
99 MATURRO727 : Great! Please let me know how it goes, AV from 10 years ago form todays one is a completely different thing. Obviously is a 30 min domestic flight bu
100 A388 : Yes, I'm also very much interested in your experience now (10 years later). I flew AV about 4-5 times between June and September this year and it was
101 miguel0881 : Thanks, will let you know. I'm also flying AV from BGA-BOG-IAD on the return, although I will arrive in Colombia on AA. Now that AV is part of Star,
102 Post contains links RCS763AV : More perspective onto the Synergy-TAP deal: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/AW_11_05_2012_p44-512136.xml&p=1 Easyfly won't be flying to M
103 SJOtoLIR : CM MDE-ADZ goes from 7x to 10x weekly from December 16th. The equipment will shift from E90 to 73G.
104 Avianca : thats a nice upgrade, also didnt had CM in the past 2 daily flights MDE-ADZ one middle of the night? I am still wondering why AV is only serving ADZ
105 A388 : Hey RCS763AV, thanks for the link. Based on what I've read here in the forum about Mr. Efromovic, is that he also has Polish ties making him European
106 777jaah : There are some rumours that AV will announce a deal with Bombardier pretty soon. We only cna wait and see. There's also some news on an incident invol
107 Colombia : Sorry, but Aerogal isn't gonna be part of the new brand yet, also Avianca Brasil is not part of it, Aerogal lost its rights for a government paid fue
108 Post contains links summa767 : It looks as if AV has really been pitting Bombardier and ATR against each other hard. I hope that we soon know what they went for. In news relating t
109 RCS763AV : Have you seen the interiors of Aerogal's aircraft? Not to mention they were just fully integrated into Lifemiles and the flights from Ecuador to Peru
110 summa767 : I think that you read it wrong. the 75% figure was for connections in general, and around 50 pax for LPB as the typical number per flight. Yes, fuel
111 Post contains links 777jaah : AV just confirmed an order for 3 more 787s. It was officialized bu both Boeing and AV in Panama. That bring the official orders for AV to 15 Dreamline
112 RCS763AV : Look at reply 56. Anyways, I don't think it merits any further discussion. Let's all just agree that it was 75% of connecting traffic, which seems li
113 777jaah : I think that's the case.
114 laca773 : Will AV be upgauging any of these flights during the busy holiday season? Adding an additional frequency? I'm surprised they haven't looked into ORD
115 av757 : No plans for BOG-ORD-BOG, and BOG-LAX-BOG slots where taken up by LAN
116 RCS763AV : BOG-ORD-BOG does seem quite long for the A319. But what slots are you talking about on BOG-LAX? In less than two months the open skies agreement with
117 777jaah : AV will take a look into ORD when the NEOs arrive. I've heard presentations from AV amangement explaining the capabilities of the NEOs, and one of th
118 laca773 : No. Once they retired the 767 fleet, the A330 is too much a/c for the route, unless they have a large cargo business. It seems like for AV to re-star
119 A388 : I don't know if you want to use an aircraft with a very long range (787) on a short route (BOG-LAX-BOG) or use an aircraft with shorter range with to
120 bogota : The first 767 by LAN Colombia should be at BOG by Sunday 18th of November, one day earlier that I had anticipated a few months back. This plane will b
121 Avianca : well its 74 mi longer than BOG-SCL that as per my understanding was served regular with A319 by AV. Or its only 130 mi longer thatn BOG-JFK - so I th
122 RCS763AV : Oh. Somehow I thought it was a much longer route. Nice to see more competition on BOG-CCS now that pax numbers are picking up again. They use the A33
123 A388 : Yes, I know of course if they can make it work, they will use the right aircraft for the route but MIA has good passenger demand and good cargo deman
124 Avianca : well LAX was served for many many years ex BOG - for sure the scenario will be different with LA also in the market - what is a big + is that the fli
125 summa767 : I have, and it only mentions connections to IAD being 75%. In a different part it says LPB bound pax round 50 per flight. LAN has mounted huge losses
126 Avianca : all other would be a shame! I am still not convinced that LAN mad the right choice with the investment in CO - it was and it is a totally different m
127 summa767 : I think that is was right of LAN to target Colombia as a good potential market, given its 45 m inhabitants, it has multiple centres and no good roads
128 Colombia : Not true at all, Tampa is increasing its operations and its closing the gap with LANCO every day, measured by MIA OPS only Tampa, is actually larger,
129 Avianca : nohting to do with the destinations, its the way each company is managed... also I am totally pro Synergy Group. QT is and was not managed well the l
130 AA767LOVER : I've decided I will go early in the morning on arrival in MDE and then take the colectivo taxi to downtown - what's a good breakfast spot in Medellin?
131 Colombia : Ok, will You care to elaborate more on this? Where do You get facts for this? We are talking about Colombia are we not? Lan Cargo as a whole, yes, LA
132 Avianca : I am working for a company who is a big customer of QT and LA yes you stated QT MIA operations - and QT as you know ex MIA has flights to several pla
133 Post contains links RCS763AV : Indeed, as I had stated this might be the area where the real competition will take place. I see. It's getting kinda late for not finalizing them tho
134 Post contains images A388 : Absolutely, that looks nice!!! However, I did expect these A330F's to wear the AV livery to unify the brand and brand awareness just as how the TA li
135 laca773 : The 788 will be a much more fuel efficient a/c for AV to use in this market if they choose to re-enter. TA doesn't have a good reputation among frequ
136 jfk777 : Any news on LAN expanding Colombia to Miami flights beyond their single A320 BOG to Miami flight ?
137 Post contains images trent772 : I don't see how LAN can improve things in Colombia once the international flights are launched. I mean, how are they going to bring their pax to BOG
138 RCS763AV : They will be repainted once the rebranding takes place. Yes. I'm sure the route will be re-launched with the 788s. It is, and LAN might beat them to
139 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Colombia is not cutting frequencies on those routes from BOG next year and will also increase flights from its focus city at Medellín-Olaya Herr
140 summa767 : It looks as if frequencies will not decrease, or at least not permanently. for January, BOG-MDE appears at 6 daily. I guess that connections to new i
141 Colombia : How do You know this? I hear that the 2 and 3 A330 are going to fly all white. No, it will not, they gave the route up so TACA could do it, Avianca j
142 RCS763AV : Because on every statement they have issued regarding the brand change it is clear that Tampa will also undergo the brand unification into Avianca. I
143 Post contains images laca773 : ! I feel this was a big mistake on their part. . They sure did turn it over to TA and nobody likes to fly TA on any route out of LAX. Their reputatio
144 AA767LOVER : MIA-LIM is a very healthy market indeed, with 2X with AA, how many with LA not sure, and nonstop with TA. MIA-LIM does NOT need to fly through SAL bec
145 Colombia : I'm thinking ops manager for AV doesn't either , because it was one of the first questions from ex 767 pilots. LAX is gone because of high costs and
146 trent772 : On which route will the Aires B763 be introduced on? I was not aware that LAN had A318's flying for Aires. I've been hearing this for a while, any tho
147 SCL767 : LAN Perú operates LIM-MIA 17x weekly with the B-767-316ER and will soon increase frequency on the route to 18x weekly. LAN Colombia S.A. currently o
148 summa767 : The problem is that only a part of colombian passengers to LAX originate in BOG. For those originating in other cities, a better option is Copa -yes,
149 777jaah : Besides, I rather go through PTY anyday than SAL. AV offers really little connectivity to Asia, if one wants to use *A. I guess best option really is
150 RCS763AV : I don't think it's that simple. When the 767s were operated the flight managed to go 5x weekly. At that time, Avianca didn't offer the kind of connec
151 summa767 : The main feed would be GYE/UIO/LIM/CCS. The only difference today would be LPB (which arriving first thing in the morning would be unlikely to male f
152 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Colombia's first B-767-316ER is CC-BDD which was delivered to LAN Airlines on 04JUNE2012 and features the new Premium Business Class and the new e
153 trent772 : When will Aires change its callsign to LAN?
154 jfk777 : JFK has many Asian connections today it didn't have in the past. Singpaore Airlines has daily A380 service, Cathay Pacific has 2 or 3 daily nonstop 7
155 clo1973 : Since Jan. 2013 Aerogal will increase its operation between CLO-GYE from 3x to 5x, maintaining same schedule when flight started last October.
156 troest : This is also to feed the AV014/015 flight CLO-MAD-CLO. Notice that Aerogal arrives on the same days as the Madrid flights from CLO.
157 A388 : That's why 777jaah said, Star Alliance wise there are few connecting possibilities but SQ indeed flies to JFK and NH also so there is connectivity th
158 SCL767 : As bogota mentioned in post 120, LAN Colombia's first B763 routes will be the BOG-MIA and BOG-GRU routes; which will free up the A320s that are curre
159 troest : LAN is also freeing up some A320's as they are reducing frequencies on Colombian trunk routes. Hope this is seasonal, but as mentioned before, LAN Co
160 SCL767 : LAN Colombia is not reducing frequencies on trunk routes; visit LAN.com and you will see that those flights are open for sale well into next year.
161 troest : I did check and if you look in sep13 there are only 4 daily frequencies CLO-BOG, 5 daily MDE-BOG, 4 daily CTG-BOG, and 2 daily BAQ-BOG. Source: LAN.c
162 SCL767 : September 2013? LAN doesn't program its full domestic schedule of flights that far out. For example, the SCL-ANF route operates up to 13x daily, but
163 troest : Then try 5 months ahead. Say apr13, and you will see the reduction in Colombian trunk routes.
164 SCL767 : You will also see a severe reduction of domestic flights in Chile and Perú for April as well. The schedules for domestic flights for the end of Q1 a
165 troest : December is very close. Let's see how flights in LAN Colombia for Q2 turns out. But for now LAN.com shows a heavy reduction of Colombian trunk routes
166 RCS763AV : Open Skies Frequency Increases Start Rolling In Delta Air Lines is starting a second daily BOG-ATL rotation during the summer 2013 season, using B737-
167 Post contains links RCS763AV : Copa Airlines vía CM* adds a 7th daily BOG-PTY flight. The route, frequency and probably capacity wise, becomes officially the busiest international
168 trent772 : I thought it was the other way around, haven't they lost a good chunk of the Colombian market share in the last two or three years?
169 bogota : They have done a decent job in connecting secondary cities in Colombia to international destinations, but have fallen dramatically in the domestic mar
170 RCS763AV : They've lost on the domestic side, which is just unprofitable for them as they fly E190s primarily, which have lower density configurations than the
171 CRJ900X : Any development with respect to the rumour that Avianca-Taca might select the Bombardier Q400 to replace the Fokker 50 fleet? Any idea when an officia
172 RCS763AV : After the much publicized tests in Manizales with the Q400, they've been dead quiet about it. After years of seeing AV's management in action, the si
173 Post contains links RCS763AV : For the first ten months of 2012, the AviancaTaca group mobilized over 19 million passengers: http://www.larepublica.com.co/empres...illones-de-pasaje
174 AV757 : Avianca was founded on today December 5, 1919 as Scadta. It became 93 years old and even though the AV-TA holding does not care much to celebrate or
175 Post contains links RCS763AV : They posted a video on youtube, it is a bit lame though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rgLNgq4H4 anyways congrats to Avianca! Good news. I saw pho
176 SJOtoLIR : TACA to start San Salvador - Medellin service: TA 369............SAL 19:45................MDE 23:35...........Ex Tu, Th, Sa............E90 TA 370.....
177 A388 : Does anyone here know if BOG will also get runway extensions or new runways besides the new terminal being built and the new ATC Tower? Or are the cur
178 SCL767 : Effective 01JUL13, LAN Perú will launch a third daily service between LIM and BOG. This new service will operate via UIO. LIM-UIO-BOG: LA2592 LIM 18:
179 Avianca : nice to see but I doubt that many on lim-bog and bog-lim will use the flight its more for passengers between Peru-Ecuador and Ecuador-Colombia and vi
180 laca773 : I'm glad to see DL add an additional flight from ATL, albeit, a 73W, it will give some folks another option over flying via helish MIA.
181 SCL767 : That is correct. Thus LAN Perú can offer pax non-stop flights between UIO and BOG, CLO, LIM, and MDE. LIM-BOG 2x daily A-319 LIM-UIO-BOG daily A-319
182 Avianca : still I think that TA/AV has a better product to colombia from LIM, specially with more nonstop flights.
183 SCL767 : BOG is AV/TA's primary hub, thus one would expect that AV-TA would operate the most non-stop flights between Colombia and Perú, whereas LIM is LA's
184 trent772 : Well, Somebody under the LAN banner had to do it, I still think its a shame the Peruvians had to step up to the plate because their Colombian counter
185 troest : No doubt. Soon with A332 service twice daily on the BOG-LIM route. Colombia-Perú non-stop only from AV/TA: BOG-LIM non-stop TA131 BOG 5:32 - LIM 8:4
186 RCS763AV : But with that schedule, i wonder if they're going to switch to an all 73W operation to BOG this summer...it seems like the were using a plane that wo
187 SJOtoLIR : As far as I know, the northbound route on AF BOG-CDG with 343 is experiencing load penalties, in spite of the two long runways placed at BOG. I don't
188 trent772 : I only know of further weight penalties when presented with a tail wind, winds as little as 5kt will cause the AF flight to request the opposite runw
189 troest : Maybe runway extensions in the future, but IMO to be concerned with BOG is to upgrade the airport from CATII to a CATIII. That would help and prevent
190 777jaah : An unconfirmed rumour is that LA plans to cancel all of its regional ops to/from EOH eff jan 6th. This is another move in direction of LA's management
191 RCS763AV : I think they will be very happy. And so will be AV and Viva, especially AV since it's rumoured they've been planning to dedicate a turboprop fleet to
192 trent772 : That's great, I didn't know about this, I guess this means AV will finally be able to start MDE-BGA which Aerocivil denied in the past arguing that t
193 Post contains links TBYO787 : Possible flights of AV into TPA as per this report: http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...irport-for-colombia-fli-ar-580476/ Cheers, TBYO
194 Post contains links summa767 : On the AV-TA regional aircraft order, there's a Spanish language aviation news portal, purporting a press release on which the order is for 15 ATR-72
195 Post contains links RCS763AV : It's on Portafolio, so it's confirmed: http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/avianca-renovara-su-flotilla Good for them. I would have loved to see them g
196 Post contains links av757 : It is also confirmed by Air Transport World. http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ncataca-orders-15-atr-72-600s-1212 AV757
197 Post contains links 777jaah : Aerocivil just decided who will build the new ATC Tower and control center in BOG. Good news for the aviation sector: http://larepublica.co/economia/t
198 Post contains links 777jaah : According to this article, TK is interested in serving BOG next year, among other LATAM destinations such as MEX, CCS: http://www.panrotas.com.br/noti
199 Post contains links trent772 : http://www.eltiempo.com/economia/emp...EB-NEW_NOTA_INTERIOR-12456861.html An interview with Mr. German Efromovich. While there are many subjects I dis
200 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Colombia plans to launch a bilateral codeshare agreement with American Airlines. LAN Colombia will offer connections to 40 destinations in the U.S
201 Post contains links RCS763AV : More open skies frequencies coming in, AA to launch DFW-BOG: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3609 A route that makes so much sense.
202 A388 : Since nobody answered my question in the AV/TA ATR72 order, I'm asking it here now. One member in that thread claims that LAN Colombia will stop all d
203 summa767 : I am assuming that he meant that LAN would stop regional flights (at some point), to the advantage of AV with its new regional fleet, plus the other
204 777jaah : LA has already invested too much into its Colombian subsidiare just to pull out of it like that. I've always thought of their turbo prop fleet like t
205 Colombia : Thats interesting I would have thought that ORD was the way to go , since UA has a huge hub there, you know 'cause of Star Alliance. Any way very nic
206 RCS763AV : It's American Airlines who are launching the flight, not United or Avianca. Indeed, that is what the user said. LAN won't be pulling entirely out of
207 Post contains links and images airliner777 : Avianca-TACA orders 15 ATR72-600 (sorry only Portuguese). http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...r-us$-700-mi_83815.html?pesquisa=1 Good choice!
208 A388 : Thanks for the information. And yes, those Dash-8's are an oddball in LAN's system. Seeing that LAN has decided to keep those Dash-8's until 2014 (or
209 trent772 : I see what you mean, a small fleet of turboprops does look like an oddball in a huge fleet of jets covering four countries, but my take on it is this
210 Post contains links troest : US Airways announced a new codeshare deal with Avianca and an expanded one with Taca. Link: http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Wo...one-with-Taca/?ib=A
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