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Full 3 Class Configuration's On The 787  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5453 times:
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What airlines either already have 3 classes on their 787's, or intend to have 3 classes? Specifically international First Class.

Have any airlines designed new hard product for their new ultra modern/futuristic aircraft or are most installing their current F, J, PE and E seats? (e.g. United is using their "good" but not "fabulous" BF seats and the 20 year old checkered fabric) and no word if any United 787's will ever have "Global First" (now with turndown service).


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

AA is the only name I've heard tossed around as having at least 3 classes with Int'l First on the 787 (most likely 4 with Y+). Search for posts by MAH4546 for more info.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29692 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5293 times:
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I expect most, if not all, 787-8s will top out at Business Class. First Class will likely be limited to the 787-9.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Is Y+ ever considered a 4th class?

It seems with some very long flights planned for the 787, I would think some of the luxury airlines would have a true First. If UA can fit a small GF cabin on a 767-3, then couldn't a 787 a 6 or 8 seat First Class fit?



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5079 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
AA is the only name I've heard tossed around as having at least 3 classes with Int'l First on the 787 (most likely 4 with Y+). Search for posts by MAH4546 for more info.

With AA removing First from their 772 fleet and only having First on the new 77W fleet it could be the 787-9 will be only J and Y. Will any US airline ever have a real Y+ with wider seats like BA and Cathay ?


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2049 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

BA plan to have four class service on their 787-9s (First, Club World, World Traveller Plus, World Traveller) but will have a three class service on their 787-8s (Club World, Wor;d Traveller Plus, World Traveller).


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15497 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I expect most, if not all, 787-8s will top out at Business Class. First Class will likely be limited to the 787-9.

I agree. 767s with first class are rare and it's not exactly common on A330s either. Business classes are getting nicer and companies are getting tighter, so first class is becoming less common. (And with some of the full fares, private jets look better and better) Even carriers that offer it usually don't offer it on all routes.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):

United has a lot of aircraft with Global First: 747's, majority of 777's and all sUA 767's. And seemingly investing more in their GS service. Their BF seats are not as good as BA, LX and certainly EK and SQ. The new LH First is wildly luxurious and between the First Lounges and on board product must have cost an utter fortune. (but LH has no 787 on order, right?)



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Will any US airline ever have a real Y+ with wider seats like BA and Cathay ?

I thought AA's 777-200s were going to be converted to 10-abreast Y and 9-abreast Y+, with their 777-300s delivered in that configuration. Nine-abreast would be wider seats, not just wider aisles, no?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4144 times:
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Quoting quiet1 (Reply 8):
I thought AA's 777-200s were going to be converted to 10-abreast Y and 9-abreast Y+, with their 777-300s delivered in that configuration. Nine-abreast would be wider seats, not just wider aisles, no?

I am not sure if the AA 772 fleet is going 10 in y. I am certain there will be no First Class on them and they will have the new Cathay style J class.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4099 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):

What other aircraft besides 777-2 will get the new business seat? Will the 767's?

I know they are launching a new 3 class transcon.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 3):
Is Y+ ever considered a 4th class?

I don't think it would be in Y+ form favoured by US airlines, but it certainly is when the product is unique to Y (as on BA, QF, VS, NZ, CX, AF etc.)

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
I am not sure if the AA 772 fleet is going 10 in y.

I would be extremely surprised if they didn't. Perhaps they are waiting to see what the reaction is to the 77W product before making any final decisions, but it makes very little sense for them not to do 10 abreast on the 772's.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3840 times:

I think if 787-8 will be configured with F class it will be very rare. The demand for F class is not going up (and, one of the reasons is that "new J standard is old F standard"). And 787-8 was designed for flying to secondary cities and we know that real F demand is on the routes between world top metropolis where we see A380, 747, 777, etc.

If you want to invest to updated F standart, you have to go with the suites or even showers. Either 787 is too small to place that, either there are enough demand for that.


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 7):
United has a lot of aircraft with Global First: 747's, majority of 777's and all sUA 767's.

Nope, 14 former UA 763s flying domestic and Hawaiian routes are being configured in 2-class configuration in the style of the ex-CO 764s. Four are already in service, according to the UA fleet thread.

For someone who lives and breathes UA's GlobalFirst product, you sure require a lot of reminding. I have no inside information, but all signs point that you should get used to more 2-class aircraft flying and fewer 3-class. Since the merger, there has been no increase in 3-class aircraft in the fleet. With some 744 retirements, there are actually fewer.


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4283 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 13):
For someone who lives and breathes UA's GlobalFirst product, you sure require a lot of reminding. I have no inside information, but all signs point that you should get used to more 2-class aircraft flying and fewer 3-class. Since the merger, there has been no increase in 3-class aircraft in the fleet. With some 744 retirements, there are actually fewer.

If United hadn't prepaid for the GlobalFirst seats pre-merger, there would be no International First Class on the new United Airlines. The return on investment for GlobalFirst pales badly in comparison to the monies extracted from investments to BusinessFirst, a product that United can more easily sell (it's still a truth that on many sUA flights that feature GlobalFirst, the cabin is filled primarily by upgraders and nonrevs, two groups who can do just fine with BF only).

Last I heard, United is trying to improve the GF soft product, and will see how that goes financially for some period of time before deciding to keep the status quo or to potentially eat a huge writedown on the GF seats and revamp all longhaul birds to BF only.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
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The decline in the number of F class a/c is a reflection of the long world-wide economic downturn. The airlines don't have F for free upgrades or frequent flyer folks; they are for folks who are willing to pay $15,000 one way from SFO to LHR etc. The global recession hit every sector including airlines.

UA will have some F class a/c. They have a few 767's, a ton of sUA 777's and the 744's. We will see the 744's exit the fleet over the next few years. The 788's won't have F. The 789's and presumably the 359's might have F. If the global economy takes off again, they will add more F as demand dictates.

The advent of Y+ and the decline of paying F passengers signal a shift. UA will continue keeping capacity in-line with demand both in terms of flights and which classes are flown on each flight.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9381 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

I believe China Southern had indicated they were going to configure their 787-8s 8/24/200.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29692 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
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Quoting smbukas (Reply 12):
If you want to invest to updated F standart, you have to go with the suites or even showers. Either 787 is too small to place that, either there are enough demand for that.

Every current F class product can fit in a 787 (or an A350).

The lack of First Class on such birds will not be due to them being unable to handle the product, but because the routes they fly don't justify it being offered.


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