HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1399 posts, RR: 14 Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19338 times:
Normally this wouldn't be very newsworthy as these things happen quite often but in light of AA's continuing problems with maintenance delays and other issues, I thought I'd post this photo. This is the last thing they need.
AA 757 at LIH
I'm not positive which flight this is, but I believe that it is AA 266 from LIH to LAX. It was scheduled to depart at 1315 local and is now estimated to depart at 0300 tomorrow.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19221 times:
Ok, at this point I'm starting to feel kidna bad for AA. With all their previous maintenance issues, I hope this was an accidental deployment by a crewmember and not a maintenance issue (I don't know what kind of maintenance issue could cause an accidental deployment of the slide, but there probably is one).
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19178 times:
My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.
I certainly do hope it was a random issue and not something done purposely. Sadly these days that is the first thing that comes to mind.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
B757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 555 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18761 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): but even the window exits at the top of the slide do not appear to be open
True. All it takes is for the handle on the over-wing exit to be rotated down to start the deploy sequence. Once the "whooshing " sound starts, and they realize what they had just done, they probably pushed the exit back in place hoping it would stop.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2600 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18274 times:
Quoting flymia (Reply 2): My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.
Unless you are in the cockpit and know what the conditions and traffic are like, all you are doing is imposing your own feelings on the crew. You do not know what they are feeling or thinking.
I say this because I just returned from recurrent simulator training in Miami, and jumpseated on AA, DL, and AS getting to & from there. The AA crews (I was in the cockpit for both of those flights) were kind, professional, and did NOT do anything to slow the normal operations. I had a long talk with both crews, and they are as upset as the passengers at the mechanical problems facing the company. The pilot sick rate for the last month had not changed from the same month the previous year. Pilots are not 'calling in sick' to hurt the company. Sure, they all wish the airline was doing better, and that they had better conditions & pay. But the troubles AA is going through right now is not caused by the employees. They are working as hard as they can to give excellent customer service.
The conditions at LAX are miserable for anyone flying there now, with the construction work on one of the south runways blocking off a lot of the access routes to the ramp. It was a real pain trying to get in and out of there this afternoon, with all traffic going slower than normal.
And as for the 'mean uninterested facial expressions', all I can say is grow up, and stop believing everything you read on the Internet gossip sites. Your're just imposing your pre-disposed opinion on them without knowing what is really going on. The employees of AA do care, and they are doing a good job.
[Edited 2012-10-07 20:30:32]
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qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2319 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17829 times:
The slide deployed is an overwing slide, which are always armed. The only way to deploy one is to open the emergency exit window. It's not at a door. My guess is there was some kind of malfunction. As for the extended delay, that's curious too as a/c can fly with an inoperative exit slide. Perhaps there weren't maintenance personnel available to remove the slide.
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quiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17390 times:
AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?
The overwing slide is not a slide-raft. Hard to believe that an aircraft could be dispatched with NO slides operative. Easier to accept if rafts (either slide-raft or in-ceiling raft) were inop and flight flew close to land, no?
I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.
WesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 332 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17389 times:
Would this a/c be N609AA / 5ED? I was on traveling on 5ED on both AA 265 KLAX - PHLI (9/26), which also operated AA 266 PHLI - KLAX on 10/4 and I'd noticed a silver safety seal near one of the exits on that side of the a/c, but this was the forward most over wing exit. I'm sure that this is probably normal to see, but it caught my eye, nonetheless. It would be very interesting to know if 265/266 was operated by 5ED the day of this incident.
crapper1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14525 times:
How likely is it someones bag could get caught on the handle as they stow it under the seat and deploy a slide by mistake. while boarding if the turn was tight and people rushing to put stuff away to keep the flight on time
boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13191 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19): I think that is very unlikely as the handle to open the widow is (1) way above the bottom of the seat, and (2) has a cover to sort of prevent people from inadvertently pulling on it
Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3530 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11931 times:
Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14): AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?
Yes, it was specific to slide-rafts; however, that was as close as I could come to ANY slide being MEL legal.
Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14): I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.
Apparently AA does not allow ANY slide to be inoperative EXCEPT slide-rafts --due to capacity limits as a floatation device. Neither the 757 nor 737 MEL's list exit slides (didn't check other acft); therefore, they MUST be operable for every departure.
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B727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 892 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11728 times:
Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 20): Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.
That's what we're saying...the window handle is at the top. There is no "exit door handle." One handle activated to remove window. Slide pack is deployed. Manual inflation handle is in the lower forward corner *inside* the sill. It can't inadvertently be deployed like a door can.
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: It is not a window, it is an emergency exit hatch of which the window is part of the hatch assembly.
: No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slid
: Regardless, AA must have some maintenance staff in HNL who could hop over to assist UA staff if they indeed use them. It seems hard to imagine that A
: I am talking about the overwing exits, they are not windows. Again they are termed "emergency exit hatch" by Boeing. You are using the incorrect term
: Well, they just cancelled the flight so I guess it's a bit more complex of a fix? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL266
: The only reason anyone would have to open an overwing door other than in an emergency would be to replace the window shade. Since LIH is a contract ma
: Semantics. We all know what an emergency exit window is, whether they're called a window or a hatch. In fact, they're even referenced as such many ti
: At small airports, typically AA or any other airline would have zero maintenance staff based there. They have a contract with another airline or cont
: AA has no maintenance personel on any of the islands.
: Thank you, HAL, nice post and one that needed to be made.
: If the HA staff at LIH could not fix the problem, could the aircraft be legally ferried to HNL (which might involve straying more than 50nm from land
: I got stuck for almost 5 hours in Melbourne, FL once because the part to fix the plane had to fly from Atlanta, to Orlando, where it met the mechanic
: I'm unconvinced that all of these recent incidents are accidents. All of my recent AA flights have been delayed. My brother's flights RIC-DFW-LAS and
: I sent you an IM regarding this. I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL relat
: I'm sure some of the employees are disgruntled at what is going on. A lose seat here and a slow taxi there only adds to the problems. Not everyone in
: AA OpSpec lists certain specific individuals at AA who have FAA authorization to permit such ferry flights under FAR-91. In those situations, the min
: As AAR90 mentioned you do not even need to contact the FAA for a ferry flight approval. The airline I worked for had a section in the flight operatio