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AA 757 Overwing Exit Slide Deployed At LIH W/PIC  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

Normally this wouldn't be very newsworthy as these things happen quite often but in light of AA's continuing problems with maintenance delays and other issues, I thought I'd post this photo. This is the last thing they need.

AA 757 at LIH


I'm not positive which flight this is, but I believe that it is AA 266 from LIH to LAX. It was scheduled to depart at 1315 local and is now estimated to depart at 0300 tomorrow.

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[Edited 2012-10-07 17:52:20]


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18264 times:

Ok, at this point I'm starting to feel kidna bad for AA. With all their previous maintenance issues, I hope this was an accidental deployment by a crewmember and not a maintenance issue (I don't know what kind of maintenance issue could cause an accidental deployment of the slide, but there probably is one).

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.

I certainly do hope it was a random issue and not something done purposely. Sadly these days that is the first thing that comes to mind.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4190 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18167 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):


I certainly do hope it was a random issue and not something done purposely. Sadly these days that is the first thing that comes to mind.

You can't be serious. Don't be so shallow! Slides are blown wrongly from time to time and it is always an accident (or deliberate by a passenger who couldn't control themselves).



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18098 times:

Anyone got any info why it was deployed? I don't see emergency vehicles around the plane.


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User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 395 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17953 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Anyone got any info why it was deployed? I don't see emergency vehicles around the plane.


If it had been any sort of emergency, there would be multiple slides deployed. I suspect an accidental deployment.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17909 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 5):
I suspect an accidental deployment.

It's tough to tell from the picture, but even the window exits at the top of the slide do not appear to be open. L3 is definitely closed.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17852 times:
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Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 3):
lides are blown wrongly from time to time and it is always an accident

It happened with Northwest years ago, when their planes were still wearing the bowling shoe scheme. I believe it was an A320.



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User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 395 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17804 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
but even the window exits at the top of the slide do not appear to be open


True. All it takes is for the handle on the over-wing exit to be rotated down to start the deploy sequence. Once the "whooshing " sound starts, and they realize what they had just done, they probably pushed the exit back in place hoping it would stop.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17695 times:

Bad timing for AA for sure, I hope this incident is never made into something it's not, nor overlooked for what it is.


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2556 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17317 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
My taxi speed and time at both LAX and FLL yesterday on AA was ridiculously slow. We arrived a good 20mins late because of it even when the pilot let us know we were expecting to arrive 5mins early. Walking out of the plane they just looked like they did not want to be there. Just. mean uninterested facial expression. Its pathetic and immature. They are only hurting themselves.

Unless you are in the cockpit and know what the conditions and traffic are like, all you are doing is imposing your own feelings on the crew. You do not know what they are feeling or thinking.

I say this because I just returned from recurrent simulator training in Miami, and jumpseated on AA, DL, and AS getting to & from there. The AA crews (I was in the cockpit for both of those flights) were kind, professional, and did NOT do anything to slow the normal operations. I had a long talk with both crews, and they are as upset as the passengers at the mechanical problems facing the company. The pilot sick rate for the last month had not changed from the same month the previous year. Pilots are not 'calling in sick' to hurt the company. Sure, they all wish the airline was doing better, and that they had better conditions & pay. But the troubles AA is going through right now is not caused by the employees. They are working as hard as they can to give excellent customer service.

The conditions at LAX are miserable for anyone flying there now, with the construction work on one of the south runways blocking off a lot of the access routes to the ramp. It was a real pain trying to get in and out of there this afternoon, with all traffic going slower than normal.

And as for the 'mean uninterested facial expressions', all I can say is grow up, and stop believing everything you read on the Internet gossip sites. Your're just imposing your pre-disposed opinion on them without knowing what is really going on. The employees of AA do care, and they are doing a good job.

HAL

[Edited 2012-10-07 20:30:32]


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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16872 times:

The slide deployed is an overwing slide, which are always armed. The only way to deploy one is to open the emergency exit window. It's not at a door. My guess is there was some kind of malfunction. As for the extended delay, that's curious too as a/c can fly with an inoperative exit slide. Perhaps there weren't maintenance personnel available to remove the slide.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24796 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16805 times:

LIH is not an AA maintenance station. They use on call/contract maintenance.

For bigger issues they need to fly in folks and parts.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3465 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16510 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 11):
As for the extended delay, that's curious too as a/c can fly with an inoperative exit slide.

MEL: Any or all may be inoperative or missing provided flight remains within 50 nm from land.

I suspect that is a bit difficult to do considering the plane is at LIH.   



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16433 times:

AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?

The overwing slide is not a slide-raft. Hard to believe that an aircraft could be dispatched with NO slides operative. Easier to accept if rafts (either slide-raft or in-ceiling raft) were inop and flight flew close to land, no?

I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16432 times:

Would this a/c be N609AA / 5ED? I was on traveling on 5ED on both AA 265 KLAX - PHLI (9/26), which also operated AA 266 PHLI - KLAX on 10/4 and I'd noticed a silver safety seal near one of the exits on that side of the a/c, but this was the forward most over wing exit. I'm sure that this is probably normal to see, but it caught my eye, nonetheless. It would be very interesting to know if 265/266 was operated by 5ED the day of this incident.

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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15291 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 7):
It happened with Northwest years ago, when their planes were still wearing the bowling shoe scheme. I believe it was an A320.

It has happened to every airline years ago.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15199 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 5):
If it had been any sort of emergency, there would be multiple slides deployed. I suspect an accidental deployment.

Looks likely the case.....Shouldn't there be an MEL option if the seating capacity of the flight is reduced.



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User currently offlinecrapper1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

How likely is it someones bag could get caught on the handle as they stow it under the seat and deploy a slide by mistake. while boarding if the turn was tight and people rushing to put stuff away to keep the flight on time

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13265 times:
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Quoting crapper1 (Reply 18):

I think that is very unlikely as the handle to open the widow is (1) way above the bottom of the seat, and (2) has a cover to sort of prevent people from inadvertently pulling on it.



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User currently offlineboeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12234 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):
I think that is very unlikely as the handle to open the widow is (1) way above the bottom of the seat, and (2) has a cover to sort of prevent people from inadvertently pulling on it

Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.



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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

I would suspect AA uses United line MX there like everyone else does for ETOPS checks...


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

According to AA's website, flight AA266 from LIH to LAX did not leave at 0300 this morning. It was cancelled.


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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3465 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14):
AAR90, are you sure that MEL quote is not specifically referring to slide-rafts?

Yes, it was specific to slide-rafts; however, that was as close as I could come to ANY slide being MEL legal.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 14):
I believe aircraft can be flown with a designated number of in-op/missing slides, but there may be seating restrictions, such as nobody seated within x number of rows of the inop exit, or just an overall total passenger count reduction.

Apparently AA does not allow ANY slide to be inoperative EXCEPT slide-rafts --due to capacity limits as a floatation device. Neither the 757 nor 737 MEL's list exit slides (didn't check other acft); therefore, they MUST be operable for every departure.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

Quoting boeing767mech (Reply 20):
Maybe to open the widow, But to open the exit door the handle is on the top of the door above the window.

That's what we're saying...the window handle is at the top. There is no "exit door handle." One handle activated to remove window. Slide pack is deployed. Manual inflation handle is in the lower forward corner *inside* the sill. It can't inadvertently be deployed like a door can.



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25 yeelep : It is not a window, it is an emergency exit hatch of which the window is part of the hatch assembly.
26 B727FA : No. That is *not* the L3 exit. That a/c is a 4 door, 4 window model. The picture is that of a WINDOW/overwing slide. On a/c with 6 doors, the L3 slid
27 runway23 : Regardless, AA must have some maintenance staff in HNL who could hop over to assist UA staff if they indeed use them. It seems hard to imagine that A
28 yeelep : I am talking about the overwing exits, they are not windows. Again they are termed "emergency exit hatch" by Boeing. You are using the incorrect term
29 Post contains links spiritair97 : Well, they just cancelled the flight so I guess it's a bit more complex of a fix? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL266
30 Post contains images LMP737 : The only reason anyone would have to open an overwing door other than in an emergency would be to replace the window shade. Since LIH is a contract ma
31 qqflyboy : Semantics. We all know what an emergency exit window is, whether they're called a window or a hatch. In fact, they're even referenced as such many ti
32 Roseflyer : At small airports, typically AA or any other airline would have zero maintenance staff based there. They have a contract with another airline or cont
33 LMP737 : AA has no maintenance personel on any of the islands.
34 flyhossd : Thank you, HAL, nice post and one that needed to be made.
35 DocLightning : If the HA staff at LIH could not fix the problem, could the aircraft be legally ferried to HNL (which might involve straying more than 50nm from land
36 Post contains images Litz : I got stuck for almost 5 hours in Melbourne, FL once because the part to fix the plane had to fly from Atlanta, to Orlando, where it met the mechanic
37 Continental : I'm unconvinced that all of these recent incidents are accidents. All of my recent AA flights have been delayed. My brother's flights RIC-DFW-LAS and
38 MCOflyer : I sent you an IM regarding this. I would guess a FAA wavier would need to be obtained in order to ferry the plane out to HNL because of the MEL relat
39 crj900lr : I'm sure some of the employees are disgruntled at what is going on. A lose seat here and a slow taxi there only adds to the problems. Not everyone in
40 AAR90 : AA OpSpec lists certain specific individuals at AA who have FAA authorization to permit such ferry flights under FAR-91. In those situations, the min
41 EMBQA : As AAR90 mentioned you do not even need to contact the FAA for a ferry flight approval. The airline I worked for had a section in the flight operatio
42 DocLightning : What is a "spotting message"?
43 AAR90 : An internal official communications from Maintenance Operations Control (MOC) authorizing a ferry flight for an aircraft that will not meet normal di
44 B727FA : Thank you for the back up...I'm glad you know what I mean. The L/R3 door/hatch (like on the ex-TWA birds) is equip with a slide, but not a slide raft
45 LMP737 : My guess is they flew in the part and the manpower to get the aircraft back in service for a revenue flight.
46 N737AA : AAR90 is spot on....no pun intended....The MOD of MOC/SOC has the authority to issue a ferry permit. It is a delegated function as part of the 121 Op
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