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Turkish Airlines Hub In CPH  
User currently offlineb735 From Denmark, joined Oct 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Hi,

A friend of my in the travel business briefly mentioned that TK is considering a hub outside Turkey and that CPH is the most likely city. I can see pro and cons why the might be an idea:

PRO
- Star Alliance hub
- Convenient location for intermediate stop for flights IST-CPH-North America
- Large Turkish population

CON
- Unattractive for pax connecting in IST for flights to US
- CPH traditionally not strong J-cl and F-cl market

What do you think?!

Tks
B735

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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7336 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Perhaps they could take over SK and get the same benefit.

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):

Impossible with the EU legislation limiting non-EU ownership with 49%.


User currently onlineseansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2):
Impossible with the EU legislation limiting non-EU ownership with 49%.

Its not impossible. Jet Airways had a hub in Brussels with services to North America.


User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Quoting b735 (Thread starter):
- Convenient location for intermediate stop for flights IST-CPH-North America

Why would they want to make an intermediate stop? This would seriously reduce the attractiveness of these flights from the IST hub.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Interesting!

Quoting b735 (Thread starter):
- Large Turkish population

I doubt TK looks at the Turkish diaspora when making hub decisions, especially 70,000 Turks in Denmark is a very small number, compared to other European cities.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

I think it is not likely, and I am sure it will be bad decision for them if they decide to.

Legislation do not allow them to own more then 49% in EU carrier and they probably will not get wide rights to operate routes inside EU with their own AOC.

But legislation is one thing, attractiveness for the passenger and business sense is much more stronger. Turkish Airlines have so much connecting passengers to North America from Middle East, India, Iran, Africa, etc. No look at the passenger let's say from Mumbai, who needs to get to let's say to Miami. Options - one connection stop on MEB3 (sooner or later they will expand to almost all US cities), one connection on European carrier (BA, LH, KLM, AF, others). TK? Two connections in IST and CPH? Makes no sense. You can win some passengers on price, but they will be lowest yield "price bargainers" (and some aviation enthusiasts, who love take-offs, lounges and landings).

What I heard, Jet Airways hub in Europe do not work so well. And they are in better position - they have home market India splitted to few metropolis and each of them cannot sustain direct flights to US. So if you are traveller in Delhi, you need to transfer let's say in Mumbai (that is one stop) or the same one stop in BRU/LHR or anywhere else, what even make more sense to stretch legs in the middle of the journey.

I don't tink TK hub in EU could make sense. Very small benefits for the passengers, strong legal barriers and try to enter the market with the worse product (two stops will never win vs one-stop).


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 3):
Its not impossible. Jet Airways had a hub in Brussels with services to North America.

Umm, I was referring to post nr 1 which mentioned taking over SK. That is indeed impossible.


User currently offlinedanielkandi From Denmark, joined Sep 2012, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

I hope this happens. I would be able to shift alot between TK and KLM this way. Hope CPH is more than just a rumour! =)


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7336 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2246 times:

and if Turkey was officially added to EU in the future?? hypothetically of course. Also might the shareholding restriction be something the EU would change in the future in order to inject much needed money into the ailing carriers of the EU and reduce the EU bailouts of carriers like Air Malta, SAS and others who may as well be burning the money....

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