Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34361 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
These are TWA flights. Looking at TWA's website, they still list the flight as far as 30 December (haven't checked past it), however, if you try to a book a flight, you can't, as it give u an "X" over the circle you would usually click on. I'm surprised if it is/was discontinued, because the flight was apparently a big money maker, especially with fifth-freedom between Cairo and Riydah. Are you sure it ended? AA made a big deal about how they were going to keep the flight.
Tw/oa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
I had not heard that. I am surprised, too. Also kind of sad that American is not keeping some of those unique TW routes, especially CAI. I assume that they are money losers, but that is also odd, as TW really pared down all of their money losing routes over the past couple of years. I mean, if TW kept the route for the past several years as one of their few remaining transatlantic routes, it must of had some value.
Tw/oa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Not sure how this could be verfied, but does anyone know what international routes TW still retains, but have gone dormant? Will they transfer to AA? I remember seeing a 1980's era SEC filing from TWA, and it listed several dormant routes as assests. Sadly, I cannot really remember them, other than LAX-HKG. I had heard that they still had rights to many North African and Middle East cities, like Baghdad, but I doubt that would still be true.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
I can't comment on this latest rumor, tho I suspect some sort of schedule foul-up in the computer as this is a profitable TWA flight as was posted on several forums. I have a copy of the route authorities that I printed last winter that some one posted. Quite an impressive list. Yes , several, such as Bagdad , are shall we say ..off limits!
I'll look for it tomorrow at the office and post it when I have time.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
This comes from Planebusiness.com....I guess it's good news for Delta:
For Immediate Distribution Newsgram 01-254
And Bulletin Board Posting August 29, 2001
TWA WILL END CAIRO AND RIYADH SERVICE -
EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE SEVERANCE BENEFITS AND BOOKED PASSENGERS WILL BE REPROTECTED
TWA Airlines LLC will end service from New York to Cairo
and Riyadh effective September 30, 2001. The respective governments as well as TWA employees in the two cities were advised of the cancellation today. Customers who have booked travel on these flights after September 30 will be contacted in the next few days and will be provided alternative travel arrangements at no additional charge.
At the time American Airlines purchased the assets of TWA earlier this year, it was hoped that these routes could perform at a level of profitability that would justify
continued operation. Unfortunately that has not occurred, as the U.S. and world economies have remained sluggish and as U.S. airline traffic and revenues have declined steeply. We do not see a likelihood of a return to profitability on these routes in the future, and thus have made the difficult decision to terminate service.
While this is a sound and correct business decision, it is
also a sad moment for TWA. We have served this part of the world for more than 50 years and during that time we have enjoyed a wonderful relationship with the governments, the travel trade and the people of both Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We are very grateful for the support we have received from all of these groups and for the opportunity we were given to serve our Egyptian and Arabian friends. We thank our colleagues in Egypt and Saudi Arabia for their very fine work on behalf of TWA.
TWA employees in Cairo and Riyadh will be provided
severance packages that are both fair and consistent withlocal laws and requirements. Details of those packages are still being discussed, and employees will be adviseddirectly as soon as possible.
In recent weeks, American has taken a number of belt-
tightening actions to counteract the effects of a weak
economy and two quarters of financial losses, including
announcement of early retirement of 19 TWA aircraft and 17 AA aircraft, the reduction of nearly $1 billion in
capital spending and the cancellation of other unprofitableinternational routes.
Airzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
Several people have said that CAI and RUH were profitable, where do you get this information? Not to debunk anyone here, but I am very suspicious of the rumor mill at airlines.
It is also worth mentioning that TWA has flown to CAI for at least 50 years. Traditionally, in the old days of TW, the set up these spheres of power in each station. The old Rome, Athens, and Paris station managers and sales managers lived like kings. Just look at the old TLV route, something like 50 people for one flight a day. AA is doing a very smart thing, they are breaking the mini-empires in order to gain the leverage back again. I wouldn't doubt that in 2-5 years that AA rebuilds all the old route authorities again and starts CAI, TLV, and RUH once the old TWA is long gone.
Cairo was only 4 times a week and they have a large sales office in Tahir Square so I doubt there was much need for that type of operation. TW couldn't break it up on their own, and AA wants to get rid of the corruption that was rappant in the TW overseas stations.
Growth comes at a price. In this case the price of the employees at TW. If the market justifies it, AA will be back.