neveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21374 times:
Just visited the OW site for the first time in a while. In the middle of the page, under "Find out about" there is a rather humorous link (well, unintentionally humorous) link: "How can I join oneworld"? Maybe it just took al Baker a while to find this link . . .
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21242 times:
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2): It will be funny to see AB on this. Will they codeshare with QR to BER?
As if the webs weren't tangled enough, Etihad announced a multi-lateral codeshare with Air France, KLM and airberlin today.
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3): DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3124 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21103 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 4): DFW, LAX, SYD, HEL. All of which could possibly come online in the next few years.
Yes please. Qatar to DFW would be just about perfect for me.
thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20845 times:
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8): Yes please. Qatar to DFW would be just about perfect for me.
Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6780 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20549 times:
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11): Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?
I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service. It all depends on how closely AA and QR work together. If they arent close, DFW may not see service.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10682 posts, RR: 100 Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20369 times:
Congrats to OW and QR. With the implosion of IT, this will help fill a regional hold for OneWorld which should boost QR's revenue nicely.
Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?
This alliance will help QR in the Americas... Tremendously. MIA should be an early 787 destination.
Quoting ojas (Reply 7): BA will sponsor QR to join oneworld
Ok, not that unexpected, but it is funny how things change.
Quoting DeltaLaw (Reply 10): Is this move the first domino to fall for Gulf Carriers entering alliances? EY to Skyteam next?
As long as everyone realizes the domino will miss EK. Skyteam already has MEA and Saudia. I'm not sure the attraction for EY... *A should court EY.
Actually, only OW was really weak in the region as *A has TK. If 9W joins *A, it would nicely 'sandwich' the region. However, if EY's potential investment keeps QR out of *A (or the GoI), than it would be 'game on' for *A.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12): I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service.
Ditto. IAH might lose the 77L and be swapped with the 788, but I see no reason not to serve both.
r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2249 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20216 times:
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2): What about AY... their OW Euro-Asian routes will have a new big competitor at OW.
They surely won't be happy about this...
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9): So things are getting funny:
QR (OW) + BA (OW)
EK (unaligned) + QF (OW)
EY (unaligned) + AFKL/AZ (ST) + AB (OW).
I'd say it's getting hilarious. Interesting developments and strategy shifts going on, with no place left for loyalty or "historic" ties. One wonders what level of cooperation, if any, exists within OW, what the role or purpose of AB and QF still is, and how long they will remain in the alliance.
In the end though, the various OW members have applied a join-them-if-you-can't-beat-em strategy (IMO not coordinated with each other) and have now managed to directly or indirectly link up with all three Middle East carriers.
airdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20132 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12): I dont see why they couldnt serve both if they deem DFW worthy of service. It all depends on how closely AA and QR work together. If they arent close, DFW may not see service.
Isn't QR joining OW for BA and AA's FFlyer members. Otherwise what is their need? Makes sense to closely align with BA/AA and get the feeds. Isn't QF's move to DFW is paying dividents for them?
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4441 posts, RR: 43 Reply 17, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20085 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): Ditto. IAH might lose the 77L and be swapped with the 788, but I see no reason not to serve both.
Lightsaber
Hi...I do not believe that IAH will become a B788 route because QR's B788s seat only 22J class whilst the B77L seats 42 and this is a premium heavy route averaging more than 22 pax in J class per flight year round.
What I do for see happening is IAD eventually becoming a B788 service due to the lack of beyond feed lost with the suspension of the UA intra-USA code share.
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20101 times:
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 11): Wonder if IAH would be in danger of losing QR, if they should decide to service DFW?
QR serves IAH largely due to the Oil and Gas industry, not so much due to alliances or hub connections.
The one market I would actually question now in QR's US network is IAD, considering that now UA has entered the IADDOH space via DXB as well as ended its codeshare agreement with UA. However, it's rare that you hear of a Middle Eastern/Big Three carrier pulling out of a network route, so I don't expect this flight to be endangered.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): Ok, not that unexpected, but it is funny how things change.
Actually, it's a game-changer for sure broadly speaking in terms of how global alliances operate, but of the three major ones, IAG and Oneworld have probably been the least vocal about any dismissive attitudes towards the Middle Eastern carriers. Lufthansa/Air Canada and Star have probably shown the greatest amount of distaste, and SkyTeam minimally through AF-KL. In fact, I'd venture to say that the AF-KL multi-lateral codeshare deal with EY and AB today is more surprising than IAG/OW/QR.
Quoting DeltaLaw (Reply 10):
Is this move the first domino to fall for Gulf Carriers entering alliances? EY to Skyteam next?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): As long as everyone realizes the domino will miss EK. Skyteam already has MEA and Saudia. I'm not sure the attraction for EY... *A should court EY.
Actually, only OW was really weak in the region as *A has TK. If 9W joins *A, it would nicely 'sandwich' the region. However, if EY's potential investment keeps QR out of *A (or the GoI), than it would be 'game on' for *A.
Nahh. I don't think that EY will feel pressured to go towards any alliance anytime soon. They're quite happy chilling where they are, forming partnerships and agreements with a multitude of different carriers. They would have to relinquish all of that if they were to move into an alliance, which I don't think they're too comfortable with. They'd rather be the center in their own universe.
EK is large and powerful enough to stand on its own rather than join an alliance.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19449 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13): Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?
Or at least AA for their recent performance.
He's actually smiling in that photo. I didn't think he had the "rizus" muscle!
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10682 posts, RR: 100 Reply 22, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19132 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18): Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Now, is anyone else waiting for AAB to blast OneWorld?
Wait, wha?
Al Baker is NOTORIOUS for making negative comments (I shouldn't have used the American slang of 'blast') towards his vendors. So, why wouldn't he make bad comments on OW.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
He's actually smiling in that photo. I didn't think he had the "rizus" muscle!
Agreed.
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18): I don't think that EY will feel pressured to go towards any alliance anytime soon.
Agreed. But there is a difference between 'pressure' and courted. I think EY will go on their own.
jonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 638 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18416 times:
I said it on the other thread and ill say it again, this mess is getting crazy. So you have QR who does not like EK but EK code shares with QR's alliance partner QF. EY which doesn't like QR is partnered with QR's alliance partner AB which wants to partner with AF, who doesn't like AA/IAG. Not to mention CX or AY must not like the ME carriers. This is just getting way too interesting...
MIA. FLL.
25 LAXdude1023: No argument there. OneWorld has the whole promiscuous, open marriage thing going on with its members. I suppose that can be a good and a bad thing.
26 TWA772LR: The next step is for the world to implode... I was hoping it would be EK in OW because of the QF partnership. Since QR is now OW, what will happen to
27 NZ107: Gives you a lot of choices... If you like travelling to the Middle East, it'd be wise to either get a QF FF and make the most of both EK and QR or an
28 GCPET: Good news for Oneworld! Nice to see the addition of a Middle-Eastern Airline. Does this mean Qatar will move from T4 to T3 at London Heathrow? GCPET
29 panamair: The conspiracy theorist in me would argue that It's all part of the three Gulf carriers' overall scheme to undermine the three traditional alliances.
30 tonystan: After all the money they just invested in the new lounge in T4 I would seriously doubt it!
31 RJAF: Wonder how this will affect Royal Jordanian!
32 blueflyer: I think Emirates has shown a Middle East carrier can serve both successfully. Just by looking at the bags coming off the belt before customs, I can t
33 IrishAyes: It is very complex. Put simply, global alliances started off as a marketing organization (FFPs, lounges, elite recognition) which then evolved into e
34 Gr8Circle: Sounds like a soap opera to me, with all the cross relationships
35 delta764: Airlines of the gulf: Shaking up the skies. There is an interesting article about this at cnn.org.
36 Markam: Congratulations to *O and QR! My source will not get an A on this if only because of the four week delay with respect to the date I was quoted, but I
37 SCQ83: I still can't see any benefit for AY about QR joining OW. Most of AY's Asian destinations (if not all) are covered now with QR, which at this stage h
38 LHRFlyer: An alternative way of looking at it is that all of the three Middle Eastern airlines have realised they can't all go it alone and need partners to su
39 BD338: you even proved the CEO of QR wrong.... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...ays-oneworld-idUSBRE88T06J20120930 sometimes a blank stare or a non-co
40 legacyins: I concur. I never really thought about flying QR but when the CEO point blankly denies the rumor and further states "NO"' he does not look too good.
41 DocLightning: Mr. AB's behavior suggests to me that he doesn't really care what anyone thinks of him. While I respect that on the one hand, you really should care
42 Boeing773ER: I just can't imagine this route being canceled, I'm sure there are more than enough oil connections to leave the two open. I'm sort of surprised this
43 brilondon: Why? Is Qantas going somewhere? I don't see why SYD would not be a hub still.
44 Byrdluvs747: It's not all that crazy. I can think of a similar situation where CX doesn't get along with HU, but HU codeshares with CX's alliance partner AA.
45 EK413: Interesting times ahead at OW... EK/QF tie up... EY/AB tie up... AB/AF/KL/EY tie up... Now QR officially become a Oneworld member... I'm not sure as t
46 lightsaber: Who also doesn't like QF. Competitors. They both try to poach each others passengers/cargo. I wonder if those talks are still on. I'm curious. For AA
47 EK413: Very well said... This makes me wonder if QF was aware QR was invited to join the OW alliance or QF just decided it was time to take a leap of faith
48 caliatenza: does this mean that QR wont serve LAX with their own metal, and instead will rely on their OW partners?
49 Lufthansa: this is a very interesting point. I am not sure how membership works, but I know years ago before the merger KLM was very strongly cooperating with M
50 AusA380: However, Virgin Australia has both Air New Zealand (*A) and Eithad (unaligned) on its share register with major alliances with both carriers, and a m
51 qf002: Of course they were aware, and I'd be willing to bet that they spent a long time looking at the viability of a QR tieup, and probably even had discus
52 RyanairGuru: Precisely. At the end of the day QR is small fry in this market compared to EK. So long as QFFF provides status credits on EK metal then I doubt a si
53 EK413: Certainly ain't going to argue your points, I totally agree QR ain't even a pimple on EKs rear end when it comes to comparing networks... EK is the r
54 CXfirst: As I see it, great news for QF frequent flyers. Being able to fly EK and QR and get points + lounge access is a win for QF FF's. Although, personally
55 aa1818: All of these relationships are quite fickle. Who's to say that in 2 or 3 years if QR integrates well into oneworld, that QF won't end it's partnership
56 SCL767: Nope. AA terminated its code-share agreement with GOL because of DL's agreement with GOL, (DL recently became a GOL shareholder). QR also code-shares
57 RyanairGuru: More than that, it doesn't preclude those airlines from flying to QF's Asian ports and codesharing from there. For example AY have a fairly extensive
58 r2rho: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em: BA knows that they can not grow further at LHR, and that any eastward growth will necessarily happen through the Gul
59 airceo: Ever since AAB hinted at alliance membership a while back people weighed up the option and the writing has been on the wall for some time. I personall
60 aaexecplat: As a Oneworld Emerald, I am excited to hear about QR joining OW. With MH on the way in, this is another high quality addition to the OW family and an
61 neveragain: Not sure that "this mess" is necessarily a new development. Airline alliances are not marriages, and the notion that certain alliance members will ha
62 CXfirst: Again, they seem to compete for a different market. EY/QR/EK are mainly going for transit passengers and creating a transit hub for the whole world.
63 lightsaber: QF wanted the best connections. EK is a far larger airline than QR today. Yes it is. They will have huge flexibility. Lightsaber
64 neveragain: I would generally agree with these points, although it is worth mentioning that both IST and CAI are much bigger local markets and ones with a lot of
65 Jambrain: What does this deal mean for BA? Will they start to use their European Common Aviation Area rights to fly multi-leg routes and improve their sales cat
66 r2rho: Indeed, if you look at your analysis, it is almost flipping around the ratio. Now BA would fly the shorter sector, giving off the longer one to QR. A
67 LHRFlyer: Not necessarily. Perhaps QR and EY have realised they can't go it alone and need the traffic of alliance partners to support their networks. As alrea
68 skipness1E: I wonder if they'll be on the move back to Terminal 3 at Heathrow, they've just got their new T4 lounge looking good as well.
69 ClassicLover: It clearly is the best approach. They are the smallest alliance and as such, they don't have 20 other also-ran airlines as part of the alliance that
70 IrishAyes: That doesn't underplay the importance of maintaining a presence in certain countries and key regions of growth. You can have all the high-yielding tr
71 HELyes: It looks AY promote more in Asia than in Europe these days, Asian passengers are becoming more and more important for them. Their latest figures show
73 ClassicLover: No, it doesn't - however your argument seems to negate the fact that the oneworld carriers do serve Africa and India and so on. While they don't have
74 airdfw: Well I would rather have AY fly to both BOM and DFW than have QR fly to DFW as the prospect of going to "HEL"L is better with nice break in between w
75 IrishAyes: Just for kicks, I pulled some capacity share data for the week of 08OCT12 to 14OCT12, according to CAPA: Africa Unaligned: 43.0% Star: 27.8% SkyTeam:
76 LAXdude1023: AY at DFW would be my ultimate dream come true. If I could have any international route in the world come, it would be DFW-HEL. That said, it will ne
77 qf002: QF has close to $4bn cash sat in the bank. They are probably the most financial secure of all OW airlines...
78 RyanairGuru: Re read your own point: INTERNATIONAL FLYING should break even by 2015. That is totally different from QantasGroup making a profit next year, which i
79 IrishAyes: My apologies. I thought they were focusing on the international sector only.
80 RyanairGuru: No worries. I'm sorry if I come off as a bit brisk by capitalising "international flying", that wasn't my intention and italics would have been bette
81 HELyes: Would be so cool if AY had more routes to N America, like they used to have. But I'm afraid they are too small to take risks in America, they need to
82 lightsaber: Agreed. I wonder how much of the 'last leg' to Australia BA will cede to partners, including QR? To make money on those routes, due to the amazing am
83 NZ107: Well if they're going to send the A380 to HKG, you'd have to ask the question: would they be able to fill it if it weren't for passengers connecting
84 qf002: I agree. 'A few'... About 50! They'll likely drop the additional 3 weekly BA21/22 flight when they start the A380. That will help adjust capacity, as
85 RyanairGuru: I doubt they will have any problem at all, I believe the loads on those flights are consistently full. They've already announced the termination of t
86 Tupolev160: How can an Airline Alliance offer such inconsistent level of service across its network? Cause having AA and QR in the same alliance is quite stunning
87 lightsaber: Naturally there will be connections. That part won't change. What will is whose metal goes on to Australia. Agreed. The aviation landscape is changin
88 LAXdude1023: Yes, exactly!!! Didnt you hear that now Delta and Aerolineas Argentinas are exactly the same quality. The day after AR got in SkyTeam, Delta's servic
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