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WN Oct 22 Spring 2013 Schedule Release Predictions  
User currently offlinewnflyguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 16797 times:

Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.
SJU FL flying transition to WN.
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL
New international flying for FL.
Now for my SNA
FL dropping both LAS and SFO
Add 1 ATL redeye and + 1 SJD= 2
WN redeye flying
Your picks ?Wnfg  

[Edited 2012-10-08 12:35:10]

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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 16798 times:

I expect a CLT flight

User currently offlineSANFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 16552 times:

I would sure love to see a SAN-ATL flight (daytime, redeye - either one or both.) Many seem to think SNA-ATL is a given (particularly due to the intl FL flying out of John Wayne) but SAN seems to me to be a natural.

That being said, I will be (pleasantly) surprised if this actually happens.


User currently offlineiowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16444 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.
SJU FL flying transition to WN.
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL
New international flying for FL.
Now for my SNA
FL dropping both LAS and SFO
Add 1 ATL redeye and + 1 SJD= 2
WN redeye flying
Your picks ?Wnfg

It'll certainly be interesting to see if international flying is announced on WN equipment. I'm guessing not just yet.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more of the smaller FL stations integrated, however I wouldn't look for trunk routes like SFO and LAS-ATL to be completely WN equipment until more of the FL flying in ATL is dismantled. If WN removes too much from ATL then routes like FNT-ATL all of a sudden become unprofitable due to less connectivity. In the past WN has integrated the smaller cities that have the most benefit to being in the WN network. Cities like ICT and PWM stand to gain quite a bit to being connected to the WN network, and are relatively small and easy to integrate. Of course I am hoping to see some of the others integrated as well, as we all know cities like CLT and MEM are huge holes in the WN route map.

Personally I am hoping for DSM-LAS or STL (quoted by the DSM airport manager as the next two most likely), but I'm not holding my breath. MSP-LAS would be nice too, but three airlines are currently flying it (NK, DL, SY), so who knows. MSP-BWI or BNA seems viable as well, although with WN adding MSP-MCI in February they may not want to add any more out of MSP just yet.

User currently offlinesdoyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16416 times:

I have to admit, I'm surprised PWM wasn't converted to WN at the same time as DSM/CAK/DAY.

With Portland, ME only connected to BWI 3x(?) daily, you would think WN would have converted it quickly to connect it to the WN network, rather than have it remain part of the dwindling FL BWI network.

User currently offlineairliner371 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16403 times:

I think PMW is the best next destination if their is no codeshare because it is only to BWI and would not FL ATL flights. SJU is a very likely choice, some more FL International probably and maybe one or two new ATL cities.

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Mine are: Finally a codeshare announcement.

Didn't they say not until 1st quarter 2013?

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16383 times:

I would definitely look for a SJU announcement to coincide with this OCT 22 schedule release and @ OCT 20 earnings report.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16383 times:

For IND, I expect that most or all of the non-ATL FL service (IIRC, mostly Florida flying) will be converted to WN service.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 16335 times:

Um...anything new to/from MSY would suit me just fine. Not that that's a surprise or anything.

MSY-OAK or MSY-SAN, specifically, would rock my socks. As would something like MSY-CUN, which I figure is bound to happen sooner or later.

User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 16216 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 1):
I expect a CLT flight

Now there's a shocker.

I believe what you mean to say is, "I want Southwest to add a flight to CLT."

[Edited 2012-10-08 15:30:52]

User currently offlineiowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 16062 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 4):
I have to admit, I'm surprised PWM wasn't converted to WN at the same time as DSM/CAK/DAY.

With Portland, ME only connected to BWI 3x(?) daily, you would think WN would have converted it quickly to connect it to the WN network, rather than have it remain part of the dwindling FL BWI network.

I agree. PWM is one of just a few cities NOT connected to ATL:

GRR (surprised about this one)
Ironically AUS doesn't have service to ATL on FL equipment, but has service to HOU and CUN (WN does serve AUS-ATL). SNA has service to SFO, LAS, MEX, and SJD on FL equipment, but no ATL.

Also since I don't have much important going on today (other than watch the Cardinals swat the Nats!!), I'll list what's left out of BWI, ATL, and MKE on FL equipment (as of right now). The cities with the * are also served by WN equipment from the following cities:


BKG (Branson, Missouri will be discontinued with WN taking over the station)

That only leaves 11 stations that are FL exclusive destinations out of BWI, with five of those being international.


BKG (Branson, Missouri will be discontinued with WN taking over the station)

That leaves 36 FL equipment exclusive cities out of ATL, with five of those international. Also of interest, WN equipment only cities out of ATL are AUS, SDF, and ORF (all well-established WN cities).


MSP (will be taken over by WN early next month)

That leaves just four cities out of MKE that are FL equipment exclusive, with Cancun being the international one. WN equipment only serves LAS, PHX, SEA, LAX, DEN, MCI, STL, and MSY out of MKE.

[Edited 2012-10-08 16:21:46]

User currently offlineiowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 16018 times:

Also, here is what is left out of MCO on FL equipment:

BKG (converting to WN has been announced)
EYW (converting to WN has been announced)
MSP (converting to WN early next month)

That leaves just 11 FL exclusive stations out of MCO, with two being international.

User currently offlinewnflyguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 15923 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):

Now my new international flying predictions are on FL only.
I don't see WN metal other than SJU until 2014.
But if they pull it together before then I will be surprised.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15677 times:

My predictions:

1x daily ATL-ISP
1-2x daily PVD-ATL

WN service to SJU, including:

ATL, BWI, MDW, MSY, PVD (in the latter)

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15645 times:

SNA/OAK/SLC or SAN-ATL? Doest seem like they have connected the dots yet nor is it worth doing it until you can connect with "airtran" flights. Its basically pointless to connect these until you can connect to "airtran" flights in ATL but all seem like great canadites for eventual service

DEN-??? Where else can they connect to Denver Domestically or realistically? ALB

User currently offlineusflyguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15634 times:

I definitely think SJU will be included.


User currently offlineairliner371 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15580 times:

Could we see WN do similar to what they did with ATL-MCO and just operate one ATL flights to BOS, LGA, FLL, etc... and have AirTran operate the rest of the flights just so WN gets some flights into these important ATL markets? Hmmm...

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
WN service to SJU, including:


I question ATL. I think they will leave FL operating SJU-ATL and take over all other SJU flying.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 15):

I definitely think SJU will be included.



User currently offlinespiritair97 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15485 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 16):

You're probably right, though do you think we could see a combination of both FL/WN equipment on the route?

User currently offlineUSAirALB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15455 times:

What are the largest WN stations currently not connected to ATL by FL or WN?

Quoting neveragain (Reply 9):
Now there's a shocker.

I believe what you mean to say is, "I want Southwest to add a flight to CLT."


User currently offlineusflyguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15436 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
SAN, BNA, DAL, OAK (SFO is serving Bay Area -ATL)

[Edited 2012-10-08 20:58:16]

User currently offlineairliner371 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 18):
do you think we could see a combination of both FL/WN equipment on the route?

Their really is no way to tell what is going on with ATL until that codeshare comes into play.

User currently offlineANA787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15263 times:


User currently onlineMexicana757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
New SJU service to MDW,HOU,STL

I would like to see this happen. MDW-SJU was last flown when ATA was around. That route has not been flown probably since 2006.

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):

MBJ a possibility but MDW-MEX won't be happening. WN/FL can't fly Chicago-MEX because the route authorities are occupied by both UA and AA. Only two airlines from each side can fly on any Mexico City-U.S. route pair. The only way I see that happening is with an actual codeshare between WN and Volaris, since Volaris already flies MDW-MEX.

User currently offlineairliner371 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14917 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 22):
Only two airlines

I believe its 3.

User currently offlinewwtraveler99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14561 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 3):
If WN removes too much from ATL then routes like FNT-ATL all of a sudden become unprofitable due to less connectivity.

These routes will not become unprofitable. ATL to ??? will not be dismantled until a codeshare is in place. So those in FNT will be able to connect to the rest of the WN system.


25 Post contains images skycub : That made me laugh. LOL.
26 sdoyon : I'd love to see DCA transitioned to WN. Leave a few ATL flights and the RSW flight on FL and use the rest of the slots to to places like MDW, MKE, BNA
27 airliner371 : I hope to see some DCA transition but I think u have way too many destinations listed. DCA is business which means frequency. We are probably looking
28 infiniti329 : I feel this is a great way for WN to get their feet on some these routes, along with a codeshare in place this will be golden. I think it would be gr
29 kgaiflyer : I guess you mean additional flying since WN/FL already fly every BWI route except SFO already. But SFO-IAD would be a no-brainer with UA's flying the
30 neveragain : No, I'm pretty sure he means redeye flying operated by WN aircraft and crews, which does not exist today.
31 Bobloblaw : GRR and PWM need to be converted to WN soon.
32 Post contains images wnflyguy : With the codeshare in place I think you will see a big shift in flying at FL. I could see FL 717's than were user on overlapping routes redeployed. Us
33 Post contains images sdoyon : I agree. It'll be interesting to see how WN/FL deploys the 717 when the codeshare goes into place. This is, or course, if you believe the codeshare w
34 Mexicana757 : For MEX it's only two airlines from each side. There are other cities in Mexico where the bilateral only calls for two airlines from each side. Volar
35 iowaman : Considering a lot of routes have less frequency and some routes like ATL-SEA are completely gone, I'm not so sure. FNT has noticeably less flights to
36 usflyguy : Judging by the results released last week, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few them already are unprofitable.
37 southwest737500 : No I meant to say that
38 Bobloblaw : No they really dont have noticeably fewer connections. SRQ for sure but I bet 90% of the traffic on FNT-ATL is local along with MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW, M
39 neveragain : There is only one route in the AirTran system from ATL that with more than a 60% originating percentage. (Not that this should come as a surprise, as
40 GSPSPOT : It is likely any run of the mill stations might see additional frequencies to major connecting points (like HOU, BWI, MDW) in addition to, or as oppos
41 flyiguy : VX flys this route 4 times daily as well FLY
42 neveragain : Sounds like it's rife for more competition!
43 Post contains images wnflyguy : I also can see redeye flying from LAS. LAS -PHL LAS -MHT LAS -PVD LAS-FLL LAS -MCO LAS-TPA LAS-MDW LAS-BWI LAS-RDU LAS -MKE LAS -EWR LAS -BUF LAS -ATL
44 Post contains images flyiguy : I like that idea. We'd LUV to see more flights out of IAD. We're currenly only doing MDW and DEN. With only a total of 7 flights a day FLY
45 neveragain : This sounds remarkably like the redeye LAS flying that US Airways terminated in response to high jet fuel prices several years ago. US was quite tran
46 kgaiflyer : In addition to IAD-SFO, WN might also benefit doing IAD-SAN. The UA nonstop flights are always booked up and fares are off the graph. As a matter of
47 usflyguy : I don't think IAD will be seeing more than what it currently has unless its an additional DEN frequency. You definitely won't see IAD-SFO or IAD-SAN.
48 as739x : As well as VX and UA SFO-DCA daily WN could very eaily add BWI service and start making a mark on SFO-DC region flying[Edited 2012-10-10 07:58:11]
49 Post contains images wnflyguy : SJU rumored to have 6 to 8 737-800 being dedicated to the market. It's rumored that SJU service transition to WN will happen in Jan or Feb. With ATL r
50 usflyguy : Nothing in the system is scheduled to arrive after 00:55 local time, except during the summer when there are arrivals at 01:15/01:25.
51 wwtraveler99 : I also can see redeye flying from LAS. LAS -PHL ........... Maybe LAS -MHT ........... No LAS -PVD ........... No LAS-FLL .......... Less than weekly
52 mtnwest1979 : We already are, IIRC. That is why the US flag was affixed to the a/c in early 2000s (?). SO that is a mute point I think. But if I am totally wrong o
53 ouboy79 : Yeah the flag carrier status is already done. There is really nothing holding WN back now from going to SJU. Will it come out in the schedule update
54 Bobloblaw : Maybe I am misunderstood. I didnt say that FNT-ATL was 90% local but that FNT-ATL,MCO.FLL,TPA.RSW,HOU.MSY,SJU,CUN probably made up 90% of the total t
55 neveragain : My apologies. FWIW, connecting pax per day from FNT via ATL for 2010 (last full year for which FL served DFW): DFW: 8.6 (2.8% of FNT-ATL enplaned pas
56 Bobloblaw : The original poster said FNT had lost a substantial amount of connections in ATL. My point was only SRQ and MIA were major connections lost. That DFW
57 neveragain : To round out the story, then, 2010 PPDEW on FL from FNT: SRQ: 17.8 (5.8%) MIA: 13.1 (4.3%) Combined with cities above, these cities accounted for 14.
58 skycub : The flags on the tail began to be added after 9/11. I recall reading that it was done as a patriotic symbol, not as any designation as an internation
59 mke717spotter : I think its about time they change the remaining MKE flying completely over to WN, except for ATL. In terms of redeyes FL had been flying MKE-LAS/LAX/
60 usflyguy : I think MKE-LGA will be cut or be left with 1/day.
61 enilria : Kelly has already said that the code share will be ready in 1Q. From what I understand that is far from certain. Also, whether that entails more than
62 sdoyon : I think you're right re: FNT/GRR. WN never said they'd close any stations, but never said anything about FL closing them. I think DSM will prove to b
63 iowaman : In an environment where profit margins are razor thin though, it doesn't take much in a loss of business to make the flight unprofitable. Not saying
64 enilria : I don't think it matters what they have said. They can always say "things have changed". DSM is doing pretty poorly. If I were the DSM Director I'd p
65 airliner371 : Do you have a source for this? Garry has said it if for domestic and international. Very Likely, no questions asked. Probably. I am told the recently
66 usflyguy : It just started on WN metal a week ago and the loads are much stronger. MKE didn't exactly have the network connectivity that MDW has. So far, the lo
67 Post contains links sdoyon : Looks like we may have to wait longer on PWM: http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/21...dd-flights-hopes-to-land-Southwest "We don't have firm dates for
68 Joeljack : I think DSM will do just fine. I just don't understand DSM-STL. It's a short drive, by the time you go to the airport, park, get there 60 min early,
69 mtnwest1979 : Of course BKG is paying for all air service there, so more incentive to have it WN sooner than the others,too. I also notice Dayton is doing well on
70 iowaman : I am also surprised with the DSM-STL sentiment. Monsanto, a long with numerous other companies are really pushing for STL service, although certainly
71 airliner371 : What is he going to say? "SWA will start service on..." Thats what the press release is for, not for him to just tell the media.[Edited 2012-10-11 13
72 SiouxATC : Good lord, when will they add a nonstop MSP-LAS flight?
73 Post contains images iowaman : Yes that would certainly stink, or any type of major delay for connecting inbound pax to DAY. DSM and soon EYW will be in a similar situation with on
74 SiouxATC : Lol. I'm not sure that I'd use flightaware as a solid source in this instance.
75 Bobloblaw : Along with FNT and GRR, WN had better figure out a way to serve smaller sized communities over 500,000 and under 1m in population. If they cant, they
76 airliner371 : They have already, you are looking at it, BKG.
77 Post contains images sdoyon : From the sounds of the article, it sounded like PWM was still in the courting phase of their relationship with WN. Sounds pretty negative to me (in t
78 Bobloblaw : That's really not a representative market. There arent 50 or 100 more BKGs
79 Post contains images mariner : I can think of very few cities that will insulate its airlines against loss and give those airlines a monopoly on the routes it flies. mariner
80 g1zmonc : One would think WN would add MSPLAS nonstop with all the traffic on that route. Many other cities have multiple NS. But does DL have that sewn up.
81 enilria : WN/FL load factors out of DSM Sep2011 26% Oct2011 28% Nov2011 49% Dec2011 49% Jan 2012 42% Feb 2012 43% Mar 2012 56% Apr 2012 36% May 2012 52% Jun 20
82 Post contains images ouboy79 : Ahhh so now we see where you are making your claim. Based on the old FL network. Of course it wasn't doing that great, but connecting it into the WN
83 iowaman : Along with to a lesser extent SY and NK. Here's a shot at November 1st MSP outbound: DL 1851 0700-0822 M90 SY 101 0800-0918 738 DL 1651 1115-1235 752
84 dbo861 : Depends on what you would call a short drive. According to my iPhone, the quickest route from DSM to STL, airport to airport, is 345 miles, 6:06 of d
85 Cubsrule : The question about STL-DSM seems easy to me: If STL-LIT/TUL work, why wouldn't STL-DSM work?
86 Joeljack : There is a direct 4-lane divided highway between the two that was completed a few years back. It is 65 mph and Iowa and 70 mph in Missouri and the on
87 Flytravel : WN chose not to service MDT which has a 2m of a catchment from Harrisburg-Carlisle-Lebanon, PA CSA, Lancaster, PA MSA, York-Hanover-Gettysburg, PA CS
88 usflyguy : Time will tell. $1/per trip for pay for the flight attendants was in the contract prior to the side letter for flights scheduled to depart between 23
89 MTNWEST1979 : That is so true. Today booked at just over 100% Also, they switched a/c into DSM from OO CRJs to FL 717s, so that combined with the diminishing hub a
90 Post contains images wnflyguy : New rumor going around WN may switching futuare 737-800 orders to 737-900er. with 198 seats. wnfg
91 airliner371 : Very good news if so! Thank you.[Edited 2012-10-13 04:54:39]
92 sdoyon : Was the pilot/FA contract ratified in 12/2010 good for both the -800 and the -900? I can't remember. I'd love to see the -900 in Canyon Blue.
93 WNCrew : No, we'd have to reopen the FA contract for sure (not sure about the pilots)... the FA contract is up for negotiation again this coming June so it co
94 CIDFlyer : it just started Sept 30...i think thats too soon to say that! From all indications DSM-MDW is doing well....you cant compare FL's service to MKE to S
95 dbo861 : October 19 both flights out of DSM are sold out..according to southwest.com. I have a feeling we'll see more out of DSM soon.
96 Post contains images wnflyguy : I'm hearing DSM and BKG are getting 1 DEN flt each. DSM is also getting a additional MDW flt. RIC is also getting connected to the WN network with 1 M
97 LoneStarMike : WN won't be flying BKG-DEN unless F9 exits the route. BKG grants route exclusivity to it's carriers (they can do that as a private airport) and F9 is
98 airliner371 : F9 is leaving BKG.
99 Post contains links iowaman : Is there any substance to this or is it just highly rumored? +1 MDW and +1 DEN would make sense. I could see WN picking up DEN-BKG with F9 off the ro
100 sdoyon : Not so sure about BKG (although nothing is ever certain), as F9 is selling through May 15th: Oct: daily Nov/Dec: 5x weekly Jan/Feb/Mar: 1x weekly Apr/
101 airliner371 : Hmmm.... it was ending, maybe they changed their mind?
102 sdoyon : I too read that. I think it was unloaded from the website in error.
103 Post contains images mariner : Frontier isn't leaving BKG. It was a misloading which was fairly quickly corrected. Not quickly enough for some eagle eyes here, though. mariner
104 CIDFlyer : DEN probably does make more sense than STL. Can provide alot of connections out west. Probably doesnt bode well for F9 though, cant see DSM have 3 car
105 Post contains links iowaman : Good catch. The Flint, Michigan airport director is optimistic he will have "good news" to present to the members of the airport board in April of ne
106 Post contains images wnflyguy : Ya the last 2 rumors don't come from a reliable it's another friend of a friend type. But again worth discussion among us airline nerds so I post and
107 Cubsrule : Correct, but much like ORF-BWI, it's not as easy a drive as a "typical" 220 mile route, so that likely would not be a dealbreaker.
108 Bobloblaw : If ALO or SUX can come up with some money, 4x weekly to DEN might be something F9 would do.
109 CIDFlyer : never say never I guess but F9 did try SUX at one point but then pulled out. ALO always seems to be served with grants/essential air service, histori
110 delta2ual : That's good news. I have a lot of family in Michigan that prefer the convenience of FNT over DTW. I was just there in August and saw the construction
111 mariner : Indeed. Now that Airtran is no longer competing for revenue guarantees, the field is more open for Frontier. Although I'd be interested to know what
112 iowaman : Very valid point. With a $1.54 million subsidy for just two ERJ's to ORD a day I can't see F9 happening. Even with low-fare stimulation it isn't a hu
113 enilria : Since there is no public data we are just taking that all on faith. What we know is that it has been awful up till now. I just don't understand why t
114 airliner371 : It is not the same thing. We know MKE did bad. MDW is not MKE.
115 usflyguy : Or we've looked at the bookings...
116 Post contains images ouboy79 : Like has already been pointed out. MKE was awful with a less than ideal connecting station. PHF made no sense to keep, so I don't even see the logic
117 enilria : I guess I've been on a.net long enough to know that random comments about loads rarely match the actual govt data. People said "(DEN-)Provo is packed
118 airliner371 : It was never hideous. WN just started. FL is not WN and loads that are crap for FL can be winners for WN and vis-versa. FL and WN are not one airline
119 Post contains images ouboy79 : While some people like to embellish performance here, I wouldn't be comparing the performance of DSM-MDW to what happened with DSM-MKE. Some routes a
120 CIDFlyer : yes, thats's what I mean...I could either see larger aircraft, daily flights or a 2nd flight
121 Cubsrule : There are certainly WN one stops on routes with nonstops that go out with 20 or 30 thrus. Then there are one stops on similar routes that go out with
122 OzarkD9S : Agreed. And quite often, the one-stop thru or connection is cheaper on WN. I myself have taken the cheaper option when time is not that important vs.
123 ouboy79 : Don't disagree. This is typically the case when the lower fare class is already sold out on the nonstop, which seems to always be the case in this si
124 Cubsrule : One stops can be useful for their schedules on longer routes with only a handful of nonstops (which describes most of WN's 1500 mile plus routes). Fo
125 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well the count down has begun will Mr GK and company finally have good new? I guess 11am central (HERB) time we will know. Come on codeshare and SJU s
126 Post contains images airliner371 : I believe it is actually 11:30am.
127 airliner371 : CLT, FNT, PMW and ROC to be announced monday per report today!
128 GSPSPOT : I have to wonder how that would affect GSP and WN ops there...
129 Post contains links blr380 : I guess you meant PWM, which will be a transition from FL station to WN. Hopefully we should see MDW or MCO added on this new network. We had a confe
130 kkephart13 : Whats going on here? I havent heard anything....
131 Post contains images wnflyguy : CLT,ROC,FNT,PWM!!! 4 cities are better than none. Rumor is that SJU and the codeshare will be announced live during the call. Clock it ticking come o
132 g1zmonc : per the southwest.com site: DALLAS - Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) announced today four AirTran Airways cities will convert to Southwest Airlines cit
133 Post contains links g1zmonc : 3Q 2012 SWA PROFIT: 16 MILLION http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...rlines-ekes-out-q3-profit/1640775/
134 Post contains images airliner371 : Report says codeshare on track for early next year. In regard to SJU... I think 4 cities is plenty for today. [Edited 2012-10-18 07:34:02]
135 Post contains images blr380 : Nice to see WN landing at PWM...finally More cities please (bring back the MCO route FL and B6 suspended - I use it very frequently
136 usflyguy : Nope... No code-share announcement.
137 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well no SJU today but codeshare 2nd quarter next year. Monday the 22 schedule for spring flying should see a big shake up. 4 cites at once become WN s
138 SANFan : This has been some big news for a handful of (new) cities as the conversion of FL to WN continues but there are a lot of existing/established WN stat
139 airliner371 : The company is not growing, they are in the process of transforming as they call it. SAN is lucky to have what it has, any other city would die to ha
140 dolphinflyer : DEN - ALB DEN - BUF
141 iowaman : Here's what I'll guess. I'll put a * next to currently served routes on FL equipment: Likely: CLT-MDW CLT-BWI* CLT-MCO Possible: CLT-TPA or FLL CLT-DE
142 southwest737500 : Well worth the wait to se WN in CLT, can't wait
143 Post contains links iowaman : Story about WN coming to ROC: Eighteen percent of passengers flying out of Rochester use AirTran. "We will obviously see additional destinations offer
144 usflyguy : I still think SJU could be announced Monday.
145 Post contains images airliner371 : I am very excited for Monday to not only find out the CLT, PWM, FNT and ROC routes but all the other changes! Hoping for more DCA and LGA! I agree, th
146 airliner371 : The AirTran extended schedule is now out.
147 MTNWEST1979 : My thoughts exactly. I hear BOI-PDX is ending. So be down to DEN OAK PHX LAS and GEG ( unless they cut that too). Just flights to the western hubs, a
148 bobloblaw : FNT, CLT and ROC to ATL discontinued. Looks like WN is turning out to be DL's best friend in ATL. Also some "brilliant" WN employee on the web site th
149 dbo861 : ..and nothing new for DSM. Hopefully it stays around.
150 Post contains links ouboy79 : Route mao didn't have pwm-boi this morning, maybe you are just seeing things Bob? All that pent up anti-WN energy must be getting to you. Lol New rout
151 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well another schedule update and another WTF???? I'm scared I'm getting the feeling WN has lost it's way! I think it's time to change my name to. WN "
152 Post contains images SANFan : Agreed. A small handful of cities might be happier than they were yesterday but the overall trend continues. But hey, what can I say -- the "seasonal
153 airliner371 : 4 converted cities and your not happy? What did you expect? This is great. Plus a new AirTran international route. This is pretty exciting. So SJU wa
154 enilria : I think the market is doomed with that schedule, but we'll see. It either gets bigger or dies IMHO. I said they'd do Florida from CLT. I also suggest
155 Post contains images iowaman : Darn, at least it's not getting cut like Branson. I believe someone stated the existing Air Tran lease runs through June in Des Moines, and this sche
156 sdoyon : This actually begins on 3/8/13 and ends on 4/13/13. It's seasonal as of now.
157 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Despite the title of the other thread, I don't believe Branson is getting cut. It's still in the pdf schedules through May 31, 2013. Also, in the pre
158 dadoftyler : I think we're doing quite well considering cost and revenue pressures, TUVM! Bill
159 Flytravel : Even though WN has been reducing PHL, I'm surprised PHL-HOU is ending. PHL-PBI isn't showing service either. I have to compare if NK at ACY will have
160 iowaman : I stand corrected. Wonder what happened as everything else was loaded earlier but them. The press releases fails to address MSP-MCO. It appears to en
161 iowaman : Looks like I stand corrected again and also found the answer on PHL-PBI: [Edited 2012-10-22 11:21:16]
162 Post contains images sdoyon : Just looked at MHT; lose 4 weekday flights from the previous extension: 4-8-13: BWI - 8x DEN - 1x FLL - 1x MCO - 3x MDW - 3x TPA - 2x 5-27-13: BWI - 7
163 mke717spotter : So no changes to MKE's schedule whatsoever?
164 wwtraveler99 : Next schedule update is on Nov 19th. It will be for travel through Aug 9th. So about 3 weeks until the new thread. WW
165 sdoyon : Comparing 4-8-13 to 5-27-13 (last Monday in each bookable window) Additions: BOS goes from 2x WN to 2x WN + 1x FL Losses: ATL goes from 6x FL to 5x F
166 southwest737500 : Can't wait to see WN in CLT CLT-BWI 2X CLT-MDW 2X CLT-HOU 1X CLT-MCO 1X WHOAA
167 SANFan : SAN sees 2 additional flights -- 1 additional to ABQ (for a total of 3 daily) and the return of our STL flight -- for a total of 95 daily departures n
168 enilria : BWI will be cr@p compared to ATL. Half of FNT's service is to ATL. It will also really hurt SY in LAN. That'll be a huge extension. 60 or 90 days? Is
169 SANFan : Actually, instead of using 5-27-13 to check the new release schedule, if you use 4-14-13, you will avoid some holiday reductions found in the late Ma
170 sdoyon : Didn't even think of/remember the holiday, so thanks for that! That might throw the MKE numbers I posted above off as well.
171 JayDub : Overdramatic much? WN is evolving into a viable longterm carrier. They're taking cues from FL, who have many seasonal cities. FL is/was a hub & s
172 Flytravel : Agreed. FNT's transition to WN from FL to me seems worse particularly for westbound service. ATL seemed like less backtracking in that regards. One w
173 ouboy79 : Exactly. The carrier must continue to evolve to meet the market needs. If the company can find a way to operate into a city with less than 10 daily f
174 Post contains links AWACSooner : Here's the blog announcement: http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/four-more-cities
175 GSPSPOT : So... Does that necessarily mean turning into "one of those" legacy carriers?? Because in numerous ways, WN is beginning to look less like the carrie
176 airliner371 : Again, you are comparing FL to WN which no matter how you look at it, isn't the same. For FL their best bet was operating FNT-ATL. At WN that would n
177 bobloblaw : Not so sure about that. I think that BWI should be looked at the entire BAL/DC area. Also lots of connections in BWI. I am suspicious that FNT-TPA wi
178 QANTAS747-438 : Why is it a "WTF"? Because WN didn't announce your favorite vacation spot? Not every schedule release will be earth shattering. They're based on what
179 airliner371 : I agree but I would consider this very existing. 4 destinations are a lot. It absolutely is.
180 knope2001 : I come up with 47/day using a weekday in May away from Memorial Day: 3 ….. bos 4 ….. lga 3 ….. bwi 4 ….. dca 5 ….. atl 4 ….. mco 1 …..
181 capitalflyer : Neither DCA or LGA will see any increase in frequency as these are slot restricted airports.
182 airliner371 : I meant more FL to WN conversions in these cities.
183 Post contains images wnflyguy : All views and feed back taken in especially from BILL himself. I'M still a fan of my beloved WN. But there are somethings in this merger when it comes
184 airliner371 : The codeshare is not coming until next year and Gary has made that very clear. So when you ask about DAY, DCA, CAK, LGA etc... you start tearing down
185 bobloblaw : Im starting to think that WN's plan for ATL includes no more than 70-90 flights per day tops. Present routes plus: FLL TPA RSW DCA LGA BOS STL MCI SAT
186 dbo861 : Do they have the freedom to do this? I'm not familiar with how slots at these airports work. Is it only the Air-21 slots at DCA that prohibit the air
187 sdoyon : As of now, the next extension is Nov. 19 and booking will go through 8/9/13.
188 delta2ual : I'm bummed we won't see FNT-MDW. I still think that would have done well.
189 airliner371 : An airline can keep all slots including Air-21 and Vision100 if the airline bought or merges with another airline. I think we will see more of a 100-
190 mariner : That's an extremely tricky one. The acquiring airline cannot, for example, keep any beyond perimeter slots of the acquired airline - the beyond perim
191 usflyguy : Once all of the gates are realigned in to 737 gates, how many will there be? I see WN between 140-160 in the end. I think it'll be bigger than MCO, OA
192 airliner371 : I could be wrong but I could swear the DOT made a rule where all regular slots, Air-21 and Vision100 slots could stay at a combined airline. (No out
193 Post contains links mariner : If that were so, then why did Republic have to go to court? DCA Slots Applications (former YX Slots) (by LAXintl Oct 4 2010 in Civil Aviation) The DO
194 Post contains links airliner371 : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...exemptions-for-sun-country-366641/ [Edited 2012-10-23 13:15:55]
195 SANFan : Please, what airport are you talking about here? ATL? bb
196 mariner : That's what I said - Republic's win, relying on precedent, created a new (and strong) precedent. But the DOT's position was that the slots could not
197 airliner371 : I am not disagreeing with you when it comes to Midwest was the reason for it but I am saying If an airline buys another it can now keep Air-21 and Vi
198 mariner : I am struggling to work out why, if the DOT believed (and argued) that it applied to Midwest, it shouldn't apply to another airline. What was so "spe
199 airliner371 : Because the DOT changed their minds BECAUSE of this situation. Because of the whole Midwest/Republic slot mess the DOT changed their rule. Nothing. S
200 mariner : I'm lost. You said: I'm simply pointing out that hasn't always been the case, even in the fairly recent past. mariner
201 airliner371 : The whole Midwest thing is not exactly recent and in the true recent past (WN/FL) you can see that the new rule exists.
202 mariner : Nine months seems fairly recent to me, but perhaps we operate on different concepts of time. mariner
203 airliner371 : I mean when the flights were taken away. But clearly your not understanding what I am saying so lets move on.
204 mariner : And I meant the resolution of the court case, when the matter, at least, in this one case, was decided. But indeed - let's move on. I think that Sout
205 QANTAS747-438 : This thread was about the OCT 22 schedule release....
206 ouboy79 : You are likely way to low on this, but not shocking. LOL WN's traditional operation meant the 717 was short lived. I don't think anyone who knows WN
207 usflyguy : ATL
208 Post contains images wnflyguy : Time for November 19 summer flying predictions. Lock this horse up it's dead now. Thanks. wnfg
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