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AA 767-300 Winglet Status  
User currently offlineATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Hey guys,

Have AA installed winglets on every single one of their 767--300s? Or are there still a few 763s without winglets? Do they plan on installing winglets on all their 763s, or will they leave some without? Also, do these wingleted 763s fly domestic routes? (For example, do they fly DFW-LAX, MIA-LAX, MIA-DFW, LAX-ORD, etc..?) or do wingletted 763s usually always fly international?

Thanks for the help

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3332 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back. So yes, some do have them, some don't. Based on my observations, I'd say only about 30-40% of the fleet has them, but again, that's just based on spending quite a bit of time around DFW. Certainly not scientific by any stretch.

AFAIK, there isn't any distinction between the two subfleets, which means you're just as likely to get a winglet-fitted 763 on a domestic flight as you are on an international flight, but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
30-40% of the fleet has them, but again, that's just based on spending quite a bit of time around DFW

At ORD lately it seems like 60% do have them. I actually prefer them without.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19953 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back.

Why? Were they not happy with them? Everyone else seems happy with them.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

It is ongoing, it has not stopped as far as I know.

User currently offlineATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

I find it odd if they stopped refitting them.. is it because they are going to retire them soon? I'm flying DFW-LAX and was curious as to what I'd expect on a 767 on that route

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting ATL (Thread starter):
(For example, do they fly DFW-LAX, MIA-LAX, MIA-DFW, LAX-ORD, etc..?)

They rotate through the whole system, so yes they do both domestic and international. I've done the following:

American 767's without winglets:
CDG-ORD N350AN
DFW-CDG N348AN
DFW-LAX N346AN
DFW-MIA N343AN
FRA-DFW N342AN
DFW-LAX N7375A

American 767's with winglets:
MIA-SCL N39364
LAX-DFW N373AA
MIA-ORD N353AA

So I've been on a number of international flights that were flown with a 763 not equipped with winglets, and also a couple of domestic runs with winglets.



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User currently offlineATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 6):
American 767's without winglets:
CDG-ORD N350AN
DFW-CDG N348AN
DFW-LAX N346AN
DFW-MIA N343AN
FRA-DFW N342AN
DFW-LAX N7375A

American 767's with winglets:
MIA-SCL N39364
LAX-DFW N373AA
MIA-ORD N353AA

Nice data   I suppose the DFW-LAX run is a hit or miss


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

I know JFK-SAN gets winglets about 50-60% of the time.

User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1638 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

The winglet program has not stopped. A freshly wingleted plane rolls out of Tulsa about every 25 days. There are currently about 32 out of 58 763s completed (55%)

The following have the winglet mod (fleet numbers only, just add AA, AN, AM to most to get the N-numbers). I may have missed one or two, but for the most part this is pretty comprehensive:

345, 351, 352, 353, 354, 356, 359, 360, 361, 362, 364, 365, 370, 372, 373, 377, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 393, 394, 395, 398 (in work right now), and 399.

The fleet numbers for all 763s are easy: 342-399, no breaks in numbering.



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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

There aren't any restricted routings for the 763's but there is some priority routing for winglet aircraft to be routed on the longer stagelenghts when possible, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

N737AA


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 2):
At ORD lately it seems like 60% do have them. I actually prefer them without.

I also prefer the "classic" look of an airplane without winglets!

Quoting N243NW (Reply 9):
The winglet program has not stopped. A freshly wingleted plane rolls out of Tulsa about every 25 days. There are currently about 32 out of 58 763s completed (55%)

Typical AA project - moving at a snail's pace!


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3332 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 9):

And there you go. I should know better than to base that off of heresay.

Thanks!   

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Can someone explain to me if the winglets help the shorter sectors more than the longer ones?

I left BRU on monday DL BRU-JFK had the winglets, but the BRU-ATL did not? Does it save more on the shorter segments?


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 13):

Is the BRU-ATL route one that is often operated by the ex-Gulf Air 767s with the door 2L? Those planes do not have winglets so it would make sense if it was.


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):

I know the 76G have the fuel dump system, could that be why the winglets can not be installed on those?
IIRC the 76ER that has winglets do not have the capability to dump fuel.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):

That would make sense. I wasn't aware that DL's 767s (or most of them) couldn't dp fuel.


User currently offlineboeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):If I remember correctly, AA stopped the winglet program on their 763s a couple years back.
Why? Were they not happy with them? Everyone else seems happy with them.

398 is getting winglets and MAUI (Avionics Mod) done as we speak.



Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

All of Delta's 767ER's have fuel dump system.

User currently offlineboeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):
76ER that has winglets do not have the capability to dump fuel.

Interesting because all 58 of our 767-300ER's can dump fuel, and we have winglets on our airplanes. Only the 200ER's don't have fuel dump.



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