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Irish 13/12: Stormy Skies Ahead  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20756 times:

Good morning folks!

It's been quite a long time since we've had a new thread and there have been quite a few interesting events, some internal and some external, affecting Irish aviation.
- The continuing efforts of FR to anticipate possible objections to its planned takeover of Aer Lingus (and the continuing refusal of other carriers to play ball)
- The ongoing pensions issue; indeed, as recently as today - 9th October - Aer Lingus has put some feelers out in relation to a compromise: it will make a one time contribution in return for lower demands for salary increases over the next few years
- Varadkar and the DAA wooing UA to open a route to the US west coast
- The very successful recent match between the USN and Notre Dame looks likely to become an annual event (though not necessarily between these teams!), as the American NFL and Irish agencies enter talks
- Aer Arann has firmed up its order for ATR72-600s
- The SAA has successfully attracted a major new route: Shannon to Chicago starts next Summer, on a seaonal basis
- Aer Lingus basing A319s as DUB and ORK, and restructuring its operations at Belfast.
- Aer Lingus (and the DAA) still posting positive trends in passenger numbers, albeit from a significantly reduced base

There's probably a few more that I've missed, but it's still only 5am and the old brain doesn't get up until at least seven.

There's quite a few things from that list which are still ongoing; we'll certainly hear more about the pensions issue and industrial action can't be ruled out (though hopefully can be avoided).

The economic climate is still not brilliant, although hopefully once the EU decides to follow through with its promise to compensate us for our banking bailouts, this will make a significant difference and allow some significant investment in growth. Of course, we're not likely to see any movement on this for some time. Our presidency of the EU in the first half of next year will be a turbulent one, but at least is likely to see some significant developments - hopefully of a positive nature.

So, enough waffle for now; over to you folks. 13/12 is now ready to roll ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Aer Lingus basing A319s as DUB and ORK, and restructuring its operations at Belfast.

Indeed not long now til the big move from BFS to BHD . Will be interesting to watch developments.

Regarding the pensions issue :

Shocked Aer Lingus workers told they may get only 4pc of their pensions

By Kim Bielenberg
Tuesday October 09 2012

AER Lingus has issued a shock warning to its workers that if the hole in its pension scheme is not addressed they could receive only 4pc of their expected benefits.

The airline has issued a statement to the stockmarket on its pension scheme.

It said the shortfall in the pension stood at €748m at the end of May.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...4pc-of-their-pensions-3254440.html


User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20345 times:

hi

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Aer Lingus basing A319s as DUB and ORK, and restructuring its operations at Belfast.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
ndeed not long now til the big move from BFS to BHD . Will be interesting to watch developments.

I will be at Belfast City for work experience a few days after the move from the international so I will ask if I can take some photos, but I doubt it as its an airport in modern times!!!!

I do think the airline has mucked things up a bit as in they can really go back to BFS after abandoning ship and the BA and BHD thing was a bit of a surprise...now we are left with one airport with two airlines competing on the LHR route and one airport with only one real international route to EWR. but if EI are committed to BHD they might as well make more business routes ie FRA CDG MAD not 2 London routes and 2 summer routes. Not good planning in my opinion....

But if they really are committed I hope they succeed.

Dublinspotter  



Dublinspotter :)
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 20257 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):

Shocked Aer Lingus workers told they may get only 4pc of their pensions

I sense this could simply be scare tactics but time will tell. How awful if you are nearing retirement and then suddenly you realise all you worked for amounts to nothing!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20086 times:

Interesting comments:

""While that route is biting the dust, Kamen was positive about the potential to enhance its relationship with Aer Lingus and hinted strongly that United would like the Irish airline to join the Star alliance, of which the US carrier was a founding member.

“We’ve agreed with Aer Lingus that, while they may or may not ever want to join Star, and you would have to ask them that question, we think there are benefits for both carriers.

“They are a strong partner for us in the UK and Ireland. We will likely expand that relationship.

“The benefit for us is the connections they provide throughout the UK and Ireland, especially with [UK airline] BMI leaving Star and the Lufthansa group [following its takeover by BA].

“Aer Lingus provides connections at Heathrow as well as out of Shannon and Dublin services that we couldn’t otherwise offer to destinations that we don’t serve.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1005/1224324905511.html


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19703 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Regarding the pensions issue :

Shocked Aer Lingus workers told they may get only 4pc of their pensions

The article states -

"Aer Lingus is proposing to close the scheme to new entrants and freeze payments for current members.

The airline wants to replace the current pension fund with a defined contribution scheme. "

Do you know what this looks like? It looks like an airline caring about their employees. They probably know from their legal advice that neither they nor the DAA has any obligation to fill the massive hole in the current pension fund, so in order for the employees not to be short changed in their retirement, they will replace it with defined contribution. I do note that it also says -

"Aer Lingus promised to make a once-off payment to kickstart this scheme if workers agree to pay restraint."

Which is only fair, to me. Alternatively, the whole thing goes bust and the employees are back to square one.

The company I worked for started a defined contribution scheme for all new employees, while the old ones get to keep their defined benefit scheme, so this is the way the wind is blowing.

Meanwhile, in other news, I got the retrojet out of LHR this morning quite by chance. I'd forgotten it had the Iberia interior. Lots and lots of passengers transferring on flights from Australia (I was on the 0850 departure). Funnily enough, the people sitting behind me were going to Dublin then driving home to Belfast and were very tired! I would have thought they would have gone to Belfast directly from Heathrow?



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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19699 times:

Hey everybody, long time no post!

Just looking at flightradar and flights seem to be doing 2 laps or so south of DUB before approaching! Any ideas why?


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19601 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 6):
Hey everybody, long time no post!

Just looking at flightradar and flights seem to be doing 2 laps or so south of DUB before approaching! Any ideas why

Cloud base at 100ft - CAT III conditions here at the moment - bit of a traffic jam!



You just can't keep a good man down!
User currently offlinecallbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19515 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 5):

EI-DVM the retro jet has regular EI interior and not the Iberia one. The only 2 aircraft with Iberia interiors are EDS & EDP.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19195 times:

Quoting callbell (Reply 8):

EI-DVM the retro jet has regular EI interior and not the Iberia one. The only 2 aircraft with Iberia interiors are EDS & EDP.

He possibly means the new airbus standard panelling and fittings as opposed to the seats.



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User currently offlinenightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Hi guys, I have been reading these topics for a long time now, and just purchased a first class membership to here. I am behind getting most news of aviation, but have a sub to airliner world. I was at the aviation museum at Baldonnell today, which was real good, only down side was it is by appointment only to go visit it. But plans are to relocate it, so that it can be open to the public at all times, without appointment.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19019 times:

Quoting callbell (Reply 8):
EI-DVM the retro jet has regular EI interior and not the Iberia one. The only 2 aircraft with Iberia interiors are EDS & EDP.

It has EI seats, but the rest of the interior is Iberia style really...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineairfinglas From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18970 times:

Speaking of EI pensions - I once heard that EI Pilots retired on two-thirds final salary after 30 years service. Does anyone know if this is correct?

User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18902 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
It has EI seats, but the rest of the interior is Iberia style really...

That's just the new standard Airbus PSUs/sidewall/etc. The other EI-DVx registered Airbuses are the same inside, as was the U2 319 I was on last week.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18874 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
It has EI seats, but the rest of the interior is Iberia style really...

NOT Iberia style....just standard Airbus. EI have about 3 different types of Airbus interiors now (possibly 4). Differences are subtle such as minut changes in the air vents to pretty obvious such as the window frames. Its the easiest way to tell if you are on a newer aircraft.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18863 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):
NOT Iberia style....just standard Airbus. EI have about 3 different types of Airbus interiors now (possibly 4). Differences are subtle such as minut changes in the air vents to pretty obvious such as the window frames. Its the easiest way to tell if you are on a newer aircraft.

Given the ages of their A32x aircraft this is not surprising! I think there are two main types, the A321s and EI-CVx A320s have an earlier interior with filament bulbs in the reading lights, push-button cabin panel, but they have retro-fitted the newer style overheard bin doors at some stage - presumably when they had the 174Y cabin installed.
Early EI-DVx deliveries are quite similar, the only real difference I can see is these aircraft lack the cabin divider rail which runs along the top of the overhead bins. The window surrounds are markedly less yellowed on these aircraft also.
Mid way though the control panel at L1 became a touch screen and in overhead reading lights are of a different style, with a theatre dimming style on/off
The newest deliveries have the Airbus evolve interior with larger overhad bins, LED lighting, etc.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18780 times:

Quoting callbell (Reply 8):
EI-DVM the retro jet has regular EI interior and not the Iberia one. The only 2 aircraft with Iberia interiors are EDS & EDP.

Any idea about the Belfast A319s, I know the ex-Iberia aircraft was hanging around DUB for over a year before it entered service and the other was with Comoros Island Airways but I've seen a few people complain about the legroom on them which was a common complaint when the ex-Iberia A320s arrived with their IB configuration.

Speaking of the A319s, one of them operated LHR-SNN on Tuesday evening and operated SNN-LHR the next morning before slotting back into the BFS schedule.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Aer Lingus basing A319s as DUB and ORK, and restructuring its operations at Belfast.

I think the plan for next summer is two A319s be based at BHD, one at DUB and one at LGW. I don't think there are any A319s planned for ORK at the moment.


User currently offlinenightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18459 times:

Quote:
Industrial action at Aer Lingus now seems highly likely in the short term as part of an ongoing dispute over pensions, trade union Siptu has said.

Siptu said efforts to resolve the dispute over the €748 million deficit in the pension scheme at Aer Lingus and the Dublin Airport Authority ended in disarray at the Labour Relations Commission last night.

The union claimed the breakdown in the talks occurred when Aer Lingus representatives refused to meet unions representing the staff pension committees.

“Despite a request from the LRC, Aer Lingus refused to meet directly with the employee’s representatives. The company is also refusing to attend the Labour Court in relation to the issue.”

Siptu organiser Dermot O’Loughlin said this afternoon workers at the two companies were “angry and disillusioned with the discourteous behaviour which the Aer Lingus management team has displayed”.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1012/breaking46.html

I have almost had enough of siptu, they are going to bankrupt Aer Lingus with what they want. I do support the need for unions, just as long as they are sensible, but SIPTU are not being sensible here, they are being greedy.

[Edited 2012-10-12 10:48:36]


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User currently offlineVFRontop From Ireland, joined Oct 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18418 times:

I did it, after years of reading and looking at photos I finally decided to take the plunge and join the conversation.

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 17):
I have almost had enough of siptu, they are going to bankrupt Aer Lingus with what they want. I do support the need for unions, just as long as they are sensible, but SIPTU are not being sensible here, they are being greedy.


I agree wholeheartedly. I just don't understand what they think they will achieve with this action. Aer Lingus is in a precarious position at the moment, MoL is trying to break in the door and SIPTU are busy jimmying the lock?!? What do they expect labour relations to be like if MoL/Ryanair are calling the shots?

Hopefully all this will get sorted without any more damage to the company and the already frayed relationships involved.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18394 times:

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 17):
I have almost had enough of siptu, they are going to bankrupt Aer Lingus with what they want. I do support the need for unions, just as long as they are sensible, but SIPTU are not being sensible here, they are being greedy
Quoting VFRontop (Reply 18):
I agree wholeheartedly. I just don't understand what they think they will achieve with this action. Aer Lingus is in a precarious position at the moment, MoL is trying to break in the door and SIPTU are busy jimmying the lock?!? What do they expect labour relations to be like if MoL/Ryanair are calling the shots?

Hopefully all this will get sorted without any more damage to the company and the already frayed relationships involved.

Welcome to the thread folks!

Agreed on points above, though I see the staff's point of view here - I just think SIPTU need to do themselves a favour here and allow EI management to focus on fending off the FR takeover.



You just can't keep a good man down!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

If SIPTU call a strike over the October Bank Holiday weekend then airlines and passengers should sue SIPTU and make them go bust. They will only be turning the public against them and their cause.

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18321 times:

I notice Aer Lingus operated today's EI111 flight (SNN-JFK) with A330-300 equipment as opposed to the usual -200. Was this a once-off operational issue or are they now going to rotate aircraft around the system according to demand? I'm also curious about Shamrock350's post above about the A319 rotations.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17915 times:

Aer Lingus is to increase BOS to twice daily next Summer, a further increase over the initially announced 12 weekly.

Also, an interesting article in yesterday's IT, where although the minister expresses scepticism over FR's plans for EI, he does concede that EI is vulnerable to takeover at some point:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1012/1224325186938.html

[Edited 2012-10-13 08:25:23]

User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17586 times:

Just wondering what the forward booking were like ex BHD, better/worse than BFS?

Wasnt overly surprised to see LGW-ORK dropped as the flight was never very busy. Any chance of seeing Knock moving to LHR, I think it could do weill the connections etc!

Any thoughts about EIR running flights out of BHD, taking on flybe to MAN, GLA CDG etc....
Or flying to Ireland (DUB/OCK/BHD from LCY) (connections to USA.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17471 times:
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Quoting VFRontop (Reply 18):
Aer Lingus is in a precarious position at the moment, MoL is trying to break in the door and SIPTU are busy jimmying the lock?!? What do they expect labour relations to be like if MoL/Ryanair are calling the shots?

Great comparison there

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 19):
Agreed on points above, though I see the staff's point of view here - I just think SIPTU need to do themselves a favour here and allow EI management to focus on fending off the FR takeover.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
They will only be turning the public against them and their cause.

All my thoughts exactly......this issue can still be addresses in Jan/Feb once the threat of FR has gone away.....

Strike threats hurt the workers in the long term.


25 tonymctigue : How long before SIPTU start making threats of strike action during the forthcoming busy Christmas season? That is the kind of greedy self-serving tat
26 pesit4a : I would not be at all surprised if NOC moved to Heathrow eventually, though I suspect EI would want to do that twice daily, so getting slots would be
27 OA260 : I wonder if we will ever see BHD-SNN oneday if EIR did ever commence operations there.
28 EIBusiness : While I deeply symphathise with (and know) some of those affected - who do great work at EI - this has been happening to tens of thousands of private
29 Post contains links dstc47 : The following commercial website may be of interest to some readers, as it includes a considerable number of shots taken at Irish airports among other
30 Jambost : I noticed EI44 BFS - ACE turned around and landed in ORK and is now on its way to ACE, medical emergency?
31 Jambost : Also noticed EI779 ACE - DUB is now behind EI44, it departed ACE on time passing the inbound from BFS, it then diverted to FAO. EI44 passed by an hour
32 clydenairways : Maybe a fuel stop? When the wind is from a certain direction there is a performance hit at ACE.
33 auntie : I was on the EI779 on Friday night and we rerouted to FAO for fuel due to the northerly winds I had been monitoring the 779 for a few weeks and it se
34 clydenairways : The payload on the other flight may have been less so they could have taken off with more fuel? Were they both 320's
35 AmricanShamrok : Would the A319s fare better on the DUB-ACE route operationally? I know it would be at a disadvantage in terms of capacity but would the range be great
36 clydenairways : Maybe, it would depend on what engine rating they operate the aircraft with. A319 CFM options between 22,000lbs to max 27,000lbs thrust rating. ACE h
37 pesit4a : Yup, ACE is a bitch to dispatch with a full load on an A320, every pax under 180 makes a big difference!
38 Post contains links OA260 : Hey all a fab weekend at SXL Airport last week. Fellow Anetter took the controls and here is the story : A Pilots View Anetter Takes EI-CRU For A Spin
39 Jambost : Very interesting situation with the A320 on the ACE route. A nasty bill for EI, if it wasn't for those menacing winds! Great TR, hope SXL will restore
40 Richcandy : Hi In about 1990 when I was working in Belfast, Airtours (or maybe my travel) and British Midland both used to operate a charter to ACE from BFS on a
41 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus set to increase Belfast to London flights Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...lights-16225909.html#ixzz29dPdsmGq Not sure how
42 OA260 : Certainly seems to be hotting up at BHD and copper fastens everything Ive heard so far from within the trade itself.
43 Post contains links and images OA260 : Not sure but they always amaze me with their emails and routes. They must have the magic touch or be blessed ----- New safety video for EI on the hor
44 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : It'll be kind of sad to see the current safety video go - it's been there for as long as I can remember...nearly know the words off by heart now http
45 Post contains links shamrock321 : Wifi coming in Aer Lingus long haul fllet shortly! http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/infligh...tic-services/#.UH_6J9RKom4.twitter
46 shamrock350 : Arrived in a very murky DUB this morning on EI-DVM from LHR, nice flight with a busy load and friendly, if a little tired looking crew. The flight its
47 tonymctigue : I believe the current safety video has been in continuous use since the A330 was brought into the EI fleet and from faint memory, the B747 safety vid
48 EI320 : A thick blanket of fog lingered over the airfield up until about 07:30 which slowed down the departure of the first wave. This, combined with the arr
49 shamrock321 : I seen DVM last night parked at T1 when we arrived from MAN about 11pm, our plane G-DBCI had just come in from DUB with about 100 customers onboard, n
50 Post contains links OA260 : Fighting talk from BA : Aer Lingus at City is not a threat to us says BA BRITISH Airways does not see the arrival of Aer Lingus at George Best Belfast
51 shamrock321 : The majority of BA customers ex BHD will be onward connections! So even without any BHD-LHR customers, BA will still do quite well! EI really need to
52 OA260 : I guess we will need to see the figures after 12 months of service with EI on the route for any real facts. BA still have plenty of Gold and Silver E
53 EIRules : All the more reason why EI need alternative carriers to connect to in LHR (not just from Belfast). BA's continued presence in DUB and BHD is a bit of
54 Post contains links ClassicLover : Has anyone been to this annual Aviation Fair thing before? It is on 25 November next to Dublin Airport. http://aviationfair.webs.com/ Anyone?
55 kaitak : Yes, I went to it a few years ago; would certainly go again, if I were in DUB at the time; you just never know what you might find.
56 dstc47 : Yes the fair is worth a visit. You probably will not spend very long there, but you should find enough to interest you.
57 EIBoston : Did something happen with one of EI's 330's? 137, 125 and 109 all running pretty late today it seems?
58 Post contains links EagleBoy : Not sure what this deferral will lead to: "EU extends Ryanair-Aer Lingus review to Feb 6th" http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/H...410615-5218-5085-13
59 Post contains links shamrock350 : A few delays here in Cork this evening, my own EI724 to LHR is currently an hour delayed due to weather in London while the Aer Lingus Regional flight
60 ClassicLover : I was literally about to post this exact thing! It reminds me of a real airlines recruitment website - very nice indeed!
61 Post contains images pesit4a : Hmmm.....I sense a recruitment drive....
62 eirbus06 : EI109 just took-off from DUB now(20:49) bound for kennedy. More big delays!
63 Post contains images aerdingus : Yeah it looks great!! Watched the videos & all Me too, to see if anybody knows anything.... I really hope so!!!
64 Post contains links kaitak : New ruling from the ECJ on airline delays: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...tpage/2012/1024/1224325627809.html However, if you go to the bottom
65 tonymctigue : Thank Christ. Finally we might see some common sense returning to airline ticket pricing. It is so dam frustrating these days to see advertised fares
66 nu : 2 ceisteanna: Is it possible to object to the body scanner at security in T1 or if you object do you not travel? Is this forum less active than it use
67 dstc47 : Cant answer Q1 Certainly, but there has been a lack of hard news recently about Irish aviation developments so threads are running longer than before.
68 AmricanShamrok : There's a rumour circulating on another thread that American Airlines is to launch a nonstop New York (JFK)-Dublin route. The other routes mentioned a
69 rufusisgod : The current body scanner for staff hasn't been working lately. But staff have a choice of which method to use..... most people don't use it. Waste of
70 Post contains links shamrock350 : AA will return to the route with a daily 757 from 12 June 2013. Best of luck to them! http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3589 Shamrock35
71 Post contains images Ire2008 : Its launching it from June 2013. 757 even with competition i doubt it will drop fares
72 AmricanShamrok : So it looks like next summer will see a significant jump in transatlantic traffic from Ireland with added EI capacity from DUB to BOS, ORD and MCO; UA
73 Post contains images eicvd : What's wrong with a 757? A new flight with a 757 is better than no new flight at all!
74 pesit4a : 1) Yes, you can refuse the body scanner. It's been broken for some time now anyway! Lol 2) Yes, I think the thread is less busy. Just not so much goi
75 OA260 : True any new service/AC is welcome at the moment. As they say beggars cant be choosers. Anyway great to see AA back.
76 eirbus06 : Did ORK get a new route out of the forum?
77 pesit4a : Sorry, you are correct. Nothing announced as of yet. DAA just confirmed AA JFK-DUB is going to be year round and in addition to ORD-DUB.
78 styles9002 : AA launching JFK-DUB is probably more of a challenge to EI than either DL or UA. While AA/DL/UA all compete in a larger sense for corporate travel acc
79 Post contains links kaitak : The AAIB has today issued a report on a runway incursion at DUB last year, in which a Monarch 321 entered the runway ahead of an FR 738, which was on
80 nu : So if you refuse the scanner they just treat you as a normal passenger going through the metal detector or do they get all stroppy?
81 pesit4a : As far as I know, the body scanner is only in use at the staff security check in T1 at the moment. I have never even been given the chance to decline
82 Post contains links shamrock350 : Bad news brought to you by SIPTU. SIPTU strike as only option as Aer Lingus talks breaks down Going round in circles. http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1025
83 OA260 : I thought it was going to come to this as usual. Glad I avoided booking EI over the next number of weeks.
84 harpandshamrock : This morning I booked MAN-DUB on Aer Lingus for next month - I normally go with the cheapest option but as Aer Lingus was only £10 than Ryanair, I we
85 shamrock350 : Aer Lingus hardly have much control over this, SIPTU seems determined in this case. The LRC however continues to be useless. I must admit I'm glad I
86 kaitak : Not that I'm a pensions expert, but how much more than 66% of salary was SIPTU expecting? I thought most people got no more than that (and many quite
87 pesit4a : Quite honestly, if SIPTU ruin Christmas, they may as well shut the bloody airline down. They'd never recover from a cock up like that.
88 Post contains images EIBoston : I am not so lucky. Due to fly next Friday from BOS for a family wedding. Hopefully they won't be organized enough to start a strike before then
89 pesit4a : I think they will give more notice than that! Hopefully you will be OK. I, on the other hand, am booked to fly to Alicante for a few days R&R in
90 harpandshamrock : Indeed, I should have made it clear I meant the staff and the unions, not the company itself. But it'll be the company that gets the blame, and loses
91 EagleBoy : Lets target SIPTU here.....there are other union groups in EI and they are keeping very quiet, no statements of solidarity and/or empathy with SIPTU.
92 EI320 : The talks appear to have reached a stalemate. If the gap between the sides is truly "unbridgeable", then there's little else the LRC can do. They can
93 EagleBoy : Seconded
94 dstc47 : Coverage of the continuing problems at Galway airport, since the loss of the PSO flights and all scheduled services, in the Irish Times today, is repo
95 nu : Pesit4a - Thanks for trying to answer my question. Does anyone KNOW if it can legally be refused like it can in the US but not in the Uk?
96 rufusisgod : Your question has been answered. The body scanner is optional at this moment. It's also broken so the only option is to use the standard metal detecto
97 nu : I came through fast track in August and it did not appear to be optional. Nor was it only for staff as i had to go through it. So my question is if o
98 AmricanShamrok : Air Transat flight TS649 (Nice-Montréal), an Airbus A310, diverted to Shannon this morning, landing at 10:20 and departing again just a few minutes a
99 pesit4a : Sorry, I didnt realise you had passed through as pax and been asked to use it. You do have the right to refuse - even for staff, we were advised we w
100 EagleBoy : Well I was talking to a mate yesterday who said that a certain demographic in the USA have actually started to refuse the body scanner at certain air
101 Post contains images nu : Perfect thanks. It spotted the metal strip on my jeans but just curious as to my rights as both US and UK have such opposite policies. Even if I was
102 irishtexan : Word of warning to anyone travelling T/A next week. Per the thread title (Stormy skies ahead), there is some very disruptive weather developing which
103 EagleBoy : Yep. So far the Irish media is mentioning Hurricane Sandy. However this storm is expected to turn West on Tuesday and converge with a storm front head
104 Post contains links kaitak : Looks very serious; there's a thread running on this and it looks very serious indeed. EWR, JFK and BOS will be severely affected. Noaa : Monster Sto
105 ClassicLover : Just an observation on the whole "BA are now flying to Dublin, the relationship with Aer Lingus is screwed" - When booking flights on the BA web site,
106 Post contains images pesit4a : If BA drop the codeshare, they will also lose access to DUB-LGW, and of course Cork and Shannon. Not going to happen....
107 EagleBoy : I am looking at the BA return to DUB along with the comments from Willie Walsh in relation to the FR takeover......I think BA would have no qualms wi
108 kaitak : Just arrived at Bristol after the early EI Regional ATR72 flight (EI-SLN); 15 pax on board. Good flight; odd things was that when it came to online ch
109 Post contains images Dublinspotter : Hi Every time I fly from Dublin to Bristol on Ryanair I always notice the first 3-4 rows cut off with a sign saying "reserved" but the thing is no one
110 kaitak : They certainly are; very much enjoyed my flight this am; nice crew at all stages (ground & cabin) and everything went smoothly. Stress free, whic
111 pesit4a : Rumours surfacing that SNN is about to secure another US city to be announced within two weeks..... Let the speculation begin! My money is on a season
112 aerdingus : Hi. It´s a Boeing directive, depending on the amount of passengers rows 3-4 will be blocked or rows 1-8 & 30-33. It´s to balance the 737-800.
113 OA260 : Even though they are in competition some mutual beneifical agreements will stay in place. It doesnt make sense to burn all your bridges. Out of the t
114 Post contains links and images ClassicLover : Are you sure that's a Boeing "directive"? Do you have a source? Or would it be more accurate to say that Boeing recommend this to make the aircraft m
115 bestwestern : PPrune is notoriously inaccurate on the Cork and Shannon threads. The usual whingers on the Cork thread now believe that the DAA decided that AA were
116 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed especially as you can get a reward saver from BHD to Band 4 for 10K plus EUR135 ! Amazing. They give you the Domestic to LHR free .
117 aerlingusa330 : FYI-The last trip for the EI A332 on the IAD-MAD UA joint venture was yesterday's EI6963 from IAD. EI-LAX operated the route (as usual). I was out at
118 Post contains images ClassicLover : I just checked that out! Fantastic! Thanks for the heads up!
119 styles9002 : Some talk elsewhere about Transaero (UN) adding more MOW-MIA service but with the additional service via SNN in 2013. I don't know if they will have
120 Irishtexan : Storm relaated T/A cancellations starting. CO24 to SNN cancelled today and tomorrow and CO22 to DUB cancelled for tomorrow.
121 aerlingusa330 : Awaiting the EI t/a cancellations too. Over 2,300 flights have been canceled already in the NY area and I can't see the JFK flights running on schedul
122 Post contains links and images Dublinspotter : Hi It has now started: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1028/breaking23.html Major disruption tomorrow Dublinpotter
123 EagleBoy : In relation to the Irish Times article linked above........it must be a bank holiday as they have the Food and Farming Correspondent doing the story.
124 AmricanShamrok : Interesting. My first guess would be a seasonal return of US's PHL-SNN. It'd be great if there was substance to that rumour now.
125 Post contains links Jambost : BHD lost their DND route due to Loganair withdrawing operations from Dundee. http://belfastcityairport.com/About-...its-scheduled-services-from-D.aspx
126 OA260 : Indeed good luck to EI . I remember being on the inaugural flight to AMS when they commenced from BFS. This time it didn't have the same appeal so I
127 styles9002 : If the route is to be operated by a US carrier as a stand-alone service (i.e. discounting any scenario such as UN possibly operating via SNN on MOW-M
128 Jambost : I hope to catch one of their AGP flights next summer, prices are around even comparing to U2 so I hope they can fill the seats. I randomly priced che
129 tonymctigue : Please don't let this be a rumour! My guess would be a return of SNN-ATL with DL. The UN one would be cool. A bit like a smaller version of the good o
130 Post contains images OA260 : Yeah been looking at the fares too . Most likely for me BHD-LGW will be attractive. Some good fares and timings. I cant see myself using them to LHR
131 Post contains images jumpjets : I wonder if these plans [should they indeed exist] be impacted by the US customs facility at SNN closing early, meaning the second LCY-SNN-JFK can no
132 Post contains images aerdingus : I don´t know, maybe FR 737s are lighter than other -800s, no non company cargo, less checked in bags, no IFE etc? So maybe have to balanced differen
133 EIBoston : EI might want to press EI-LAX into service this week to make up for the 5 cancellations to JFK/BOS. Could be a rough week. Good decision to cancel to
134 aerlingusa330 : EIBoston-great point. They could really benefit from using -LAX to make up those flights instead of an Omni 767. I agree on the decision, it would hav
135 Post contains links and images Jambost : I dropped by BHD today and thought I would share these pictures I took of EI 25 from LGW, Full album, http://s1070.photobucket.com/albums/u491/Jambost
136 Post contains links and images Dublinspotter : Hi Some smashing shots there!!! What camera do you use!!!! And when does the eco jet of BE usually come in? I also flew Aer Lingus from DUB-STR-DUB fo
137 Post contains images Jambost : Thanks! Most of my photographs were terrible but I am very happy that I caught some decent ones! I "borrowed" my dads Panasonic DMC-FZ28, it is a few
138 OA260 : Very nice pics . Great to see the Shamrock against the H&W cranes. I remember the days when the A330 used to fly over Cave Hill heading into BFS
139 Post contains images Jambost : Seen it again this morning departing for EMA at 10:35. I could be wrong but my clock said 10:35 when it took off I would be horrified if EI withdrew
140 EagleBoy : Doubt it. If FR 'dissolve' EI they would ensure no-one could re-invent the brand. Personally I feel that an FR takeover of EI would result in the col
141 EIBoston : So EI111 has departed for JFK. I assume EI109 will also go today. Must be some backlog now.
142 Post contains links and images kaitak : In a very cold, ruthless, MO'L way, I think there is sound business thinking behind it, BUT thinking which should never be allowed to be put into fru
143 shamrock321 : Flew back to LHR today on BA837 busy flight which is encouraging! Did a FR day trip yesterday to LPL also very full both ways!
144 Nibog : Flew on the inaugural BHD to LGW on Sunday morning last,their first flight out of BHD,followed by the LHR flight later,EI ground staff gave out free s
145 pesit4a : On a slightly less "kind" note, when "Paddy Zulu" returned to Aer Lingus from Heathrow, the ever so charming BA mechanics had left a note on board ad
146 pesit4a : Great news to hear loads were so good! I think Flybe really are in for a fight. BA and EI can I think co-exist on LHR.
147 EagleBoy : I wouldn't have thought there was much in that.........a bit of playfulness between like minded peers?
148 EIBoston : EI are indeed running an extra JFK rotation on Thursday. Handy to have EI-LAX back I guess.
149 Post contains links and images kaitak : A few little updates on ex-EI aircraft: The former EI-DUB, c.n 55, is now AP-BKL with Shaheen International; scheduled operations should be commencing
150 Post contains images pesit4a : Perhaps, though I gathered it wasnt very well received by EI staff at the time!
151 Post contains links thediplomat : EY reports an 85% load factor this year to Dublin, route is profitable. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1102/1224326035244.html Mr H
152 Post contains images OA260 : Very nice in that livery classic and classy . When I was in London at school many moons ago we had a hanger tour and it was when that livery was stil
153 BrianDromey : I also notice that the morning ORK-MAN-ORK flights are also EY code shares. EI seems to do quite a good amount of transfer traffic over MAN to the mi
154 Post contains links and images pesit4a : Etihad boss "suggesting" that Aer Lingus and Air Berlin begin codesharing: http://www.independent.ie/business/i...sair-berlin-codeshare-3280355.html T
155 OA260 : Im surprised AB have never tapped into the Irish market before especially to Berlin.
156 pesit4a : I think FR and EI do a pretty effective job keeping most other "value carriers" well away from DUB! In other news, SAS are upping capacity and freque
157 shamrock321 : I think the OSL increase is more to do with DY also increasing their flights!
158 Post contains links eirbus06 : US Airwyas to serve SNN next summer! US Airways Adds SNN (by boberito6589 Nov 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)
159 cipango : Great to see them back! Hopefully the good news for Shannon will continue. Well done to the Airport Management. They're doing a good job given the co
160 shamrock604 : There's little real increase from DY at all - it's still 3 per week next summer, same as this summer. Indeed - it's great news and I think a vindicat
161 kaitak : Great news; really pleased to see SNN get a new t/a service. Hopefully DUB will get its west coast service as well, possibly one or two others too, i
162 AmricanShamrok : Great news for SNN once again. After a long "dry spell" it seems like everything is returning at once! I had a hunch it would be US though as they nev
163 captainmeeerkat : Hi all! A quick question if I may? I want to fly to LHR from DUB on the 19th of this month but given the planned strike action - I am at a loss as to
164 shamrock604 : OK, my own guess is that any short haul flights which depart in the 1000-1200 window will simply be cancelled if there are later flights available to
165 Post contains links EagleBoy : Recently saw this posted elsewhere...... http://griffinsrealm.wordpress.com/2...gus-your-pension-or-your-dividend/ Its a blog post by an ex-Sunday Tri
166 tonymctigue : Fantastic news! The TA route network at SNN is only missing one destination from when it was at its prime. Seems like someone has finally lit a fire
167 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : I'd say definitely. SNN is also set to be officially separated from the DAA over the next few weeks with Varadkar stating there is a "very positive r
168 tonymctigue : Well, it will be very interesting to see if anything comes from these "commercial negotiations". Anyhow, let the good times begin! Not that I am gett
169 shamrock604 : It certainly does seem like some forward momentum has finally been restored with positive announcements for SNN, DUB, NOC, and apparently also for Cor
170 bestwestern : Yes, I think we can call the bottom of the decline. The 757 is the perfect aircraft for Shannon trans-Atlantic services and this new service will feed
171 Post contains images SURFER : Fantastic news for SNN!!There is a real air of positivity around the place at the moment with this announcement and UA doing ORD next summer aswell a
172 tonymctigue : Yes, if the MIA route does come to pass it would leave SNN with a pretty impressive long haul lineup for next summer. It is pretty impressive as it i
173 shamrock604 : The SAA's current efforts do impress me. Taking a look at their submissions on anna.aero and routesonline, they have a well targetted wishlist of rou
174 Post contains images OA260 : It certainly is promising to see extra flights from SNN. The downturn I believe has leveled out with regards to DUB SNN. Good to see increases in freq
175 shamrock604 : Yup, I must admit i'd be all over that one. Pretty rare airline in these parts, and I'd imagine the fares would be quite attractive too.
176 EI564 : At least ORK's network wasn't decimated like SNN's, so it doesn't have the same critical holes.[Edited 2012-11-05 06:40:11 by SA7700]
177 harpandshamrock : Evening flight too, was a bit surprised when I dropped my other half off at Manchester to catch that flight.
178 Post contains links shamrock350 : Bad news for Waterford Airport. Aer Arann to suspend Waterford services Aer Arann, operating as Aer Lingus Regional, is to suspend its services at Wat
179 Post contains links nightfox365 : Read more: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1105/breaking4.html
180 AmricanShamrok : It is indeed and unexpected too. I'd have high hopes Flybe might come to the rescue though. They seem to do well out of Donegal and Knock to Glasgow
181 OA260 : Certainly is a shame to see but if its not working for them I guess nothing else can be done. Some Airports will just not be able to sustain certain
182 Jambost : Loganair under the Flybe franchise would be perfect contenders, using smaller saab 340's it would be a great opportunity for them, however I am not su
183 bestwestern : This links the Loganair base in Glasgow to their Dublin Donegal PSO route.
184 EIDL : Which A/C did RE sell? Please tell me it was one of the wrecks and not one of the recent-ish 72s.
185 Post contains links tonymctigue : The official press release from the SNN website re the return of PHL 'Another boost for Transatlantic services as daily Philadelphia flights resume in
186 thediplomat : On the three times i've taken the DL 757 from Shannon to JFK, the aircraft (actual metal) flies onwards to SFO. DL are upgrading SFO to a flat bed 757
187 kaitak : It's usually a 763 during the Summer (and hopefully again, a 330 during the peak Summer months to ATL!)
188 Post contains links OA260 : October figures from Aer Lingus . Not bad at all considering. Aer Lingus passenger numbers edge higher in October The figure includes passengers on it
189 AmricanShamrok : Yes, SNN-JFK will be upgraded to flatbed and will also offer inflight Wi-Fi over the US portion of the flight from next summer. I believe this is bef
190 Post contains links Irishtexan : Some recent unplanned visitors into SNN and some extra business for local hotels and such. http://www.clareherald.com/2012/11/i...irliner-grounded-ove
191 Post contains links Toulouse : Saw this elsewhere. Here's hoping it's true... EU to oppose Ryanair, Aer Lingus deal - source Mon, 5th Nov 2012 17:00 http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews
192 harpandshamrock : I don't have any definite figures to go off but I've priced up BHX-WAT a few times, judging by how low the prices are (especially by BE standards), i
193 kaitak : I'm glad to hear this, but kind of surprised that it came down to how many concessions FR offered, rather than the likelihood of one company having s
194 tonymctigue : I love the account given by the dentist who is refusing to fly Virgin again because he had to cancel all his appointments. If you ask me, when a spoi
195 rineanna : That same article states: "..and due to increased demand, an additional aircraft is required to serve its long haul network on the North Atlantic." I
196 EIDL : I used WAT-BHX a few times on RE, and the loads were fairly decent every time. Although obviously you can have good loads and no yield.
197 EagleBoy : probably for the best......I wouldn't want a jetlagged dentist digging around in my mouth... I would say that this is marketing speak to imply they a
198 Post contains links dstc47 : The following story about credit card charges with a well known Irish airline is buried deep in the Guardian today, a rare story among the election co
199 EagleBoy : Am loving the way FR spin this as the OFT imposing fees when they themselves stopped the free Electron booking when it go too popular. Anyone have any
200 Post contains images OA260 : Well its usually the way . There are other options for people so they should vote with their feet which is another reason the FR bid for EI should be
201 Post contains links kaitak : He's off on one again: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avia...e-pointless-says-Ryanair-boss.html What this man will do for publicity!! I'd like to see
202 AmricanShamrok : The slots are up for grabs to the winning bidder. The Heathrow-Edinburgh and Heathrow-Aberdeen routes previously operated by BMI are being awarded to
203 shamrock350 : The Edinburgh idea does seem odd, goes against what the current management team have been saying about concentrating on DUB and connecting Ireland wit
204 shamrock604 : The EDI-LHR move is not as daft as it seems: If EI are succesful in getting the slots, they become very relevant at LHR as a UK and Ireland partner fo
205 eicvd : That is exactly why I think EI are bidding for the LHR-EDI slots.
206 shamrock321 : Does anybody know how long the statutory period is?
207 Post contains links EagleBoy : Looks like IBEC got both sides in the IASS pension dispute to go back to talks.....hopefully some compromise is proposed.If both sides come out unhapp
208 Post contains links and images OA260 : I see WX/AF are offering some more realistic fares on DUB-LCY once again.
209 kaitak : Just reading about the IB plan to sack 4,500 and cut 25 acft from its fleet; this combined with the fact that IAG wants to take over Vueling and trans
210 rojam : AFAIK, these 9 to&la slots cannot be utilised for any route other than LHR to/from EDI or ABZ. They are of no value to an airline hoping to steal
211 EagleBoy : When the LHR slot divestment was first mooted (pre BA/Bmi merger) I read that the slots were restricted to EDI and ABZ for a set period of time.
212 Post contains links shamrock604 : Traffic at Dublin up 10, yes, 10 percent for October: http://dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-..._In_October_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx This surely is the str
213 Post contains links kaitak : Great news; looks like the 2012 figure will show a marked improvement and the best figures since the whole economic crisis began. With the Gathering n
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