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The 767 Thread  
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4437 posts, RR: 19
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17522 times:

This superb Aircraft has been in service for over 30 years now. The picture of the new LAN 767 on the home page started me thinking what an underated, barely noticed Aircraft this is but it's still going.


It may not be the most exotic Aircraft out there but it is universally liked and extremely popular with Pilots and passengers alike, another superb Boeing from the finest Aircraft manufacturer in the world (I am a little biased)

Such a shame it's smaller sister is no longer made.

Thoughts / opinions ?

[Edited 2012-10-08 22:08:49]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17601 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
The picture of the new LAN 767 on the home page started me thinking what an underated, barely noticed Aircraft this is but it's still going.

For LAN, the B-767-300ER is a profitable airliner to operate on various routes. If it was not, LAN would not have placed two separate orders for them last year.

CC-BDI is the sixth new B-767-316ER to join LAN's fleet this year:

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17471 times:

And it still rolls out about two aircraft each month.....quite similar to the A380  

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17468 times:

If Boeing had been able to give it an A300-like cross section, there might never have been a need for the 787. But unfortunately engines at the time just weren't powerful enough to give a twin both a cross section that wide and true intercontinental range.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4437 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17419 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):


If Boeing had been able to give it an A300-like cross section, there might never have been a need for the 787. But unfortunately engines at the time just weren't powerful enough to give a twin both a cross section that wide and true intercontinental range.

I don't think it was so much about power with the 767, it was more of a drag issue. The -ER versions with their narrower fuselage than the A310 had much better range than the Airbus product.


The freight capability was not the same but for most airlines, particularly the US based ones it didn't matter.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17409 times:

Lets see....my 767 memories:

My first flight was on a 757 from CVG-FLL in 1992 but I was a baby then and don't remember anything at all...besides-oddly enough- me reaching for the flight attendant call button. It's strange I remember that.


I DO remember my first flight of my memory-era (from when I was past 5... I haven't flown from between ages 5 to 10) but when I flew to SRQ to visit my grandmother in 2002 it was my first flight that I could remember clearly. It was CVG-ATL-SRQ and the CVG-ATL flight was a 767- DL1963.

When I fly to Barcelona and back, I flew 767s across the pond on DL.
CVG-CDG 763ER, 61 people on board the first time. I had the entire row of seats to myself to stretch out and sleep.

Flying from BCN-JFK-CVG, BCN-JFK both times was on a 764. Huge aircraft. Jam-packed.



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User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17322 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
It may not be the most exotic Aircraft out there but it is universally liked and extremely popular with Pilots and passengers alike, another superb Boeing from the finest Aircraft manufacturer in the world (I am a little biased)

I have enjoyed many Atlantic crossings in the 767 and have always appreciated the cross section. Almost always window seat or aisle seat. Even the middle seat is better than other widebodies.

I will always like the 767. Yes today's engineering has a lot of new features that the 767 will never get, but it was a pioneer of its time!



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17323 times:

The 767 is the type I have flown most. Can't beat 2-3-2 in economy.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 928 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17260 times:

From a rampers POV the 767 is a good airplane to work. Easy because of cans, fueling on the other side, bin door controls from the ground, pushback is easy. The only beef I have is when the cargo system is not working and you are inside the bin pushing a can on tracks hoping not to trip over a lock.


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User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17103 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):

It may not be the most exotic Aircraft out there but it is universally liked and extremely popular with Pilots and passengers alike, another superb Boeing from the finest Aircraft manufacturer in the world (I am a little biased)

Agreed, it is a superb aircraft. It is extra special for me because my first flight (that I have memory of) was on a QF 767-300ER from SYD-BNE in 1998. My last flight 2 weeks ago, returning from MEL-SYD was also on a QF 767, nothing had really changed lol.

The one thing I love about flying on the 767 is the take-off. Don't know if it's just me but it feels more powerful than planes such as the 737/A320, you can really feel the seat pushing you forward. Makes take-off so much more exciting!

I have heard pilots talking on aviation podcasts about the 767 and they all said it's quite overpowered, with a high thrust to weight ratio due to only 2 engines.

Long live the 767!


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16983 times:

Great Plane! Look's best with two RB211's! Here's a cockpit video of a BA 767 on my YouTube Channel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leo-d3USV98&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqAJQk_DPXA&feature=relmfu

Probably the one of the more rewarding Aircraft to do a good landing in with the way the main gear is set!

GCPET



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User currently offlineneutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16965 times:

The 767 will always have a special place in my heart, because it is a pretty airplane, every trip on it was great, the 2-3-2 can't be beat, and when i was a kid, my dad got me the ability to get inside the cockpit when we were flying to Atlanta on Delta and that is always a fun memory.

I truly go out of my way to fly in the 767 if I can find it. It and the 757 are just class acts in the aviation world. The 757 is just bad-ass...I can't see how anyone can NOT like that bird.

Maybe it is because Boeing really designs some good gear....from the 707 on up, I don't think they make a bad plane at all. Guess I have to try out the 787....


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16912 times:

I love the 767. My first flight (of which I can remember a substantial portion of) was in a Air New Zealand 767-200ER ZK-NBA (named Aotearoa V), flying across the Tasman. Air New Zealand's 767s are great for short hops (such as to Australia) or long haul flights (such as to Hong-Kong or Japan). Recently they updated the cabins of their 767s and installed winglets, making them nicer than most other aircraft types to travel on (and to look at).  
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Quoting cchan (Reply 7):
Can't beat 2-3-2 in economy.

   Not only is the configuration nice, but it is also nice to have less other passengers to travel with (as compared with a 777 or A330).

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Such a shame it's smaller sister is no longer made.

   It is a real pity that Boeing didn't do more with the 767-200. It would be nice if they had developed an upgraded version of the -200ER with:
- Lower OEW
- Higher MTOW
- More effecient engines (or at least a PIP)
- Winglets

for long, thin routes.   



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16824 times:

Just to list the 767 deliveries so far this year:

767-300ER: 10
ANA: 2
AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines: 1
LAN: 5
Uzbekistan Airlines: 2

767-300F: 10
Silk Way (Azerbaijan): 2
DHL: 1
UPS: 7

The two for Uzbekistan has PW engines, the rest GE

Next of the line is another 300ER for LAN


User currently offlinebeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 724 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16803 times:

Great aircraft, especially the 300! Air Canada make theirs work on transatlantic, transpacific, transcontinental, Caribbean holiday, and short-haul domestic (Rapidair) routes. Name me another widebody that can do all that and make a buck for its owner! A truly versatile aircraft. And from the aesthetic perspective, if it looks right, it probably flies right... it just seems to have great, well-proportioned lines, especially the 300. No frills, just a good-looking bird.

I too have many hours logged (as passenger) on them, on transatlantic, transpacific, transcontinental and domestic short-haul runs. Easily the most comfortable widebody with the fewest number of center seats.

Beech


User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16543 times:

Great machines, the 767s, and that's what I last flew.

From this pilot's perspective, one of my favorite features was just how quiet the cockpit was compared to my prior airplanes (727, 737 and even compared to the 757).

"Last" may not be truly the last, though, as I'm considering an offer to fly again - yes, 767s again.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16537 times:

I'll add to the positive reviews - always my favorite widebody. Comfortable and non-claustrophobic. The only thing that bothers me about the 767 of late are its windows. Those square-ish shapes seem small and terribly dated. Load 787 windows on the 787 and it'd be a beautiful bird to fly!

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16514 times:

If an airline was to order B767 right now,
What'd be the delivery time?
Is it in weeks or months or years?



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User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16330 times:

As my user name suggests, I absolutely love 767s. Every variant is aesthetically pleasing and doesn't look oddly proportioned like some other aircraft do.

I've been on every version of every US operator except for Hawaiian Airlines. Two of my most memorable flights were on 767s. The best sleep I ever had on a plane was an AF 763 from CVG to CDG in coach in 2002. Then in 2006, I was able to get a seat in first class on a DL 764 from JFK-MAN-JFK when they sold the whole plane as coach.



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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16223 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
The picture of the new LAN 767 on the home page started me thinking what an underated, barely noticed Aircraft this is but it's still going.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
CC-BDI is the sixth new B-767-316ER to join LAN's fleet this year:

Thanks for the display.

I felt very fortunate to catch an unpainted pax 767 as there are not too many more in the pipeline. Plenty of freighters (I've missed two unpainted 767 freighters in a row by being in the wrong place on the field), but not so many passenger frames, left to go.

I've always liked the 767 and will go out of my way to fly on one, though I haven't flown on one lately (the last one I flew was a CO 764). My first 767 flight was a short hop between Orlando and Sarasota back in 1988. No idea why United chose to fly that aircraft on that route that day, that's just how it worked out.

I live in Seattle now and many years ago my first flight to Seattle was on a 767-200. I'm a loyal Alaska Airlines flyer, but if I book to Hawaii, I book on Hawaiian specifically because of the 767 (eventually I suppose it'll be an A332, but that's the future). I'd even like to try AA's SFO-JFK 762 service before it goes away.

It's a reliable and efficient aircraft, and I can see why airlines like them.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
If an airline was to order B767 right now,
What'd be the delivery time?
Is it in weeks or months or years?

Air Astana ordered a few earlier this year and my guess is that they will get them in late 2013, so I'd say that you can get one within 24 months. However, with the large FedEx order coming up, that might actually be optimistic.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16206 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
I don't think it was so much about power with the 767, it was more of a drag issue.

Two sides of the same coin... to add either weight or drag, you need more thrust or lift. And the amounts of thrust and lift were (more or less) fixed by the available engine and wing technology at the time. Within those constraints, Airbus chose to optimize for passenger and cargo capacity at short range, while Boeing chose to optimize for TATL range. Boeing's choice was the better one throughout the '80s. But then when the '90s came along with more powerful engines and new wing design techniques, Airbus profited from the better-optimized cross section it had developed, but previously been unable to carry over long distances.

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:29:33]

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:29:46]

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2560 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16124 times:

I have more hours as pilot in the 763 than any other type, as I've been flying it exclusively for most of the last 10 years. It's honest, durable, and predictable. I've flown it as far west as MNL, and east to TPA. North to SEA, and south to SYD. It's been a great, reliable moneymaker for my airline, which means I get to keep my job and continue to progress through my career. I've moved on to the A330 recently, but I'm sure I'll be back in the 767 someday. Cheers to the 767: It's not flashy, but it gets its job done quietly & efficiently, which means it's doing exactly what it was designed to do.

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User currently offlineyowviewer From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16099 times:

A favorite of mine as well. And don't forget the 767-200 became (I believe) the first major commercial jet to land successfully from 33,000 ft with zero engine power on AC143 back in 1983. Doesn't get much better than that !

User currently offlinefleabyte From Brazil, joined Jan 2010, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16054 times:

back in 79 or 80, I got to ride on a new UA 767 from Stapleton to Ohara...that was cool

I was checking out the 767 lists on airlinelists.com and about 2 years ago, it was amazing how many, almost all of them were utilized, a few AA 200's had been scrapped and Air Canada and Ansett were stored.

Now, looking at the list, there are a whole bunch of aircraft scrapped and out of service, lots of -200s

so when was the inflection point reached for the 767 when more frames are being scrapped than are being built, I think it is somewhere around 2011. So then the total number of frames in service will start to decline for the first time since the program was launched 30+ years ago. finally....no just kidding, except im sick of those tired old AA birds from Sao Paulo, the 777 is so much nicer in First Class


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16037 times:

In the early 1980's I remember seeing UAL's "State of the Art" JT-9D powered 762's with the Saul Bass Livery at my local field. Too bad they didn't paint a 787 in that Livery!

Piedmont used to fly 762's back and forth from MCO to BWI. Lovely trip to experience.



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25 DocLightning : Would you mind commenting on how these two compare from the pilot's POV?
26 SJCMSP : My first flight on a 767 was in 1987. It was a 767-200 SFO-ORD. The thing I remember most clearly about the trip was eating carrot cake for dessert. (
27 Post contains images floridaflyboy : I love the 767, personally. It was my very first widebody. My first 767 flight was in 1999, a DL 767-300 SLC-CVG. Since then, I've had 3 flights on th
28 ggsm : If that LAN 763 is new why doesn't it have winglets?
29 cargolex : Winglets are not installed at the factory.
30 iFlyLOTs : The first time I was on a 767 was an AA flight from ORD to HNL and at the time I hated it (I was still bitter over AA dropping the DC-10, I should als
31 Roseflyer : Boeing put the biggest engines they could on the 767 just as Airbus did with the A300. The initial 767 was much smaller than the A300, so Airbus chos
32 DocLightning : Can't they be installed there if the customer wants, though?
33 Post contains links and images TR763 : I just love the 767 as it is the aircraft i've most flown in my life, with Transbrasil, American and United. The first flight of my life was aboard a
34 Post contains images Stitch : I've done a handful of flights on the 767-200 and 767-300 families. My first 767 flights were Business Class on TWA SEA-JFK and JFK-SEA in the Summer
35 cargolex : I'm not sure. I don't see why they couldn't be fit there - at least by ATS if not by Boeing, but for some reason they don't do it there. Several LAN
36 Post contains links SCL767 : Delta Tech Ops and/or Mexicana MRO perform the winglet installation after the a/c is delivered to LAN: LAN Becomes Largest Customer For 767 Winglets
37 1337Delta764 : The earliest 767 flight I can remember (based on a past thread asking about it) was a DL 763 in the summer of 1992 on SFO-ATL. Of course, I might have
38 DocLightning : So for whatever reason, it's less expensive to fly the aircraft empty to ATL or MEX and then have the work done there than it is to have the work don
39 Viscount724 : I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The 767 was the most heavily used type on transatlantic routes for years. Does anyone know if that's still tr
40 MSYtristar : One of my favorite airplanes hands down. Never had a bad flight on a 767. I've never experienced a smooth landing on one (don't think those exist), bu
41 Post contains images KPDX : Though it's popular among airlines, I'd say it is quite underrated among aviation enthusiasts.
42 GCPET : Everyone else is missing out! Love going on BA 767's just for the sound of the RB211! BA and RR just go together! The 767 is very versatile and it ca
43 HOONS90 : I've flown on all variants of the 767 on various short, medium and long haul flights. Excellent aircraft. From my personal experience, LAN has the bes
44 DoubleDelta : IIRC, the 767-400ER features the updated windows from the 777 series. I wonder if that has something to do with those atypical forward-tilting MLG??
45 jporterfi : Are LA aircraft used to operate 4M, 4C, XL, and LP flights? Is that why there are 5 LAN aircraft in the photos? Combined, all of the LAN carriers ope
46 1337Delta764 : No way, the 764ER is sleek and beautiful like a beautiful woman. The 762, on the other hand, is stubby and ugly.
47 lasairlinerenth : In my 30-some odd years of flying as a passenger, I've only been on one 767 . . . and that was a BA 763 from PRG to LHR in the summer of 2011. When I
48 TrnsWrld : To the OP who stated this: "what an underated, barely noticed Aircraft this is but it's still going." Really? How is the 767 barely noticed and undera
49 SCL767 : All LAN B763s now use Chilean registrations; except LAN Argentina's. LAN Airlines: SCL-MIA SCL-CCS-MIA SCL-CUN-MIA SCL-PUJ-MIA SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA *SCL-G
50 DoubleDelta : "No way" what, lol? I said I liked the 764. And I agree completely with your assertion. I will never warm-up to the 762. Stubby and ugly is the perfe
51 Viscount724 : I've always liked the looks of the 762, but then again I always preferred the shorter (and much better-performing) 720B to the 707 also.
52 B757forever : Exactly. The cost to re-tool the Boeing production line exceeds the potential returns.
53 DocLightning : I think the A330 now holds that honor.
54 ETinCaribe : the 767 has also been a workhorse for ET, first entry in service in 1984. Here is a sticker that was commonplace in Ethiopia in the early 80s which ma
55 JAAlbert : I agree that Boeing's windows are better that Airbus due to the size. I just think the 777 windows look more modern, and the 787 - well who can beat
56 s.p.a.s. : Having upgraded from the Embraer 190/195 to the B763 recently, I can only vouch that is indeed a very nice plane, albeit one or two generations behind
57 Post contains links krisyyz : Some of my first flights across the pond were on 767s. I always found the 2-3-2 config to be one of the most comfortable around. I'm surprised that th
58 AeroWesty : Someone did a TATL analysis earlier this year (couldn't find the thread), and with all the 767s that DL, UA, AA, BA, AC(?), LO, and a few others send
59 Post contains links N243NW : AA is currently retrofitting their aircraft with IS&S flat panels and other avionics, installing SATCOM, VDL Mode 2, Pegasus FMS, RNP RNAV/GPS, A
60 DocLightning : I thought it was the A330.
61 Post contains images my235 : I'll break the 767 loving streak. It's 30yr old tech. I find it sad that the Human race is not able to progress faster as it's hampered by coin. (I st
62 AeroWesty : While certainly growing in popularity, there isn't any airline flying the A330 in bulk across the Atlantic like UA/AA/DL are still with the 767, from
63 Post contains images DocLightning : See, I was hoping I could pawn that duty off on you...
64 vaus77w : Very cool, thanks for sharing!
65 Post contains links DocLightning : Found it. Summer 2012 Transatlantic Offer Analysis (by BrusselsSouth Jun 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5496521&searchid=5496555&s=transa
66 Post contains images AeroWesty : Ah nice. Thanks for doing the footwork.
67 Post contains images DocLightning : You owe me one.
68 HAL : The 767 is of course a generation (or two) older than the 330 in its technology. The Boeing has cables going back to the control surfaces from the co
69 PGNCS : I generally agree with your point. I very much appreciate the small widebody crossection as a passenger, particularly in coach. That is by far the be
70 Max Q : I think we've discussed this before but I was always surprised at your preference. I have always found the 767 far more responsive in pitch and espec
71 divemaster08 : Sounds and looks like a good upgrade! One thing that I ponder on though is if your updating the flightdeck with LCD on the PFD and ND, why not go ful
72 YVRLTN : I didnt fly on a 767 until 2003, ironically with AC LHR-YYZ and return YYC-LHR, little knowing I would emigrate to Canada exactly 2 years later and I
73 kaitak : It's always been a favourite of mine; I had my first flight in October 1990, from ATL to ORD with Delta; I think it was ship 108. I've had many enjoya
74 N809FR : The 767 is by far my favorite plane. I also don't concern myself with IFE when booking a ticket, that's what I have an iPad for. I first flew the 767
75 Post contains images oykie : It is the most comfortable way to travel long haul in economy, no doubt! The A330/340 with 8 across seating is quite good, and I am sure the 787 will
76 Post contains images sweair : I once flew SYD-FRA in a 767 with LH, at that age I was disappointed that it was not the usual 744 But it sure is a nice aircraft and 2-3-2 in economy
77 VC10er : A 767 feels like a second home! I have flown hundreds of thousands of miles on her. A United 767 kept my 15 year relationship going. The new UA busine
78 XFSUgimpLB41X : The 767 was always a treat to fly when I was in the 757/767 category. That big, quiet cockpit (quietest cockpit I've ever flown in- even moreso than t
79 N243NW : Most likely case is that there is just not enough benefit to an EICAS upgrade to justify the development costs. Other than the weight, it doesn't rea
80 aviateur : I fly 767s. From the perspective of most pax, the type of aircraft matters very little. It comes down to how they are configured and outfitted. It has
81 VC10er : Except for us of course. I make travel reservations based on aircraft type. As much as I love my 767's like my most comfortable shoes, I love a 747 t
82 Post contains images Skydrol : And it is for this exact reason so many passengers like the B-767; the awesome 2-3-2 seating layout in economy. The average passenger may not remembe
83 DocLightning : I think he's complaining that it's too responsive. As a passenger, I love the 767. But the A330 is even better. Thank you for your insight. I had the
84 Post contains images mandala499 : Numbers for the beancounters come first, aesthetics last. And engine wise, the numbers include: Engine price, time between overhaul, overhaul costs,
85 XFSUgimpLB41X : Correct- below 10,000 feet the 767 is a fingertip flying airplane. It borderlines twitchy!
86 Max Q : Rereading his response I see that is what he said. Personally I find the incredible responsiveness very appealing, you have to be careful but with ex
87 cgnnrw : You can add me to the list of satisfied 767 passengers. Back in the 1990s when KLM had their 767s I flew them often between AMS-DTW. Can't recall anyt
88 Post contains images CXB77L : I'm quite fond of the 767. It's one of my favourite commercial airliners. I think it's a testament to its design and flexibility that it has lasted 30
89 RWA380 : I love this aircraft, and am excited that my next 767 ride comes in less than two months. I have reserved seats on the window for my party of two, and
90 aviateur : Indeed it is. The 767 is VERY light on the controls. You could fly the thing with two fingers. It's almost TOO light, and reminds me somewhat of the
91 VC10er : On Saturday I am on United from EWR to GVA, return, on a 767. I am at a window, bulkhead seat in BF. I am totally excited and I can't wait to get into
92 Post contains links SCL767 : Here is a video of LAN's newest B-767-316ER CC-BDI departing KPDX for KPAE: http://youtu.be/I0Lyg2MPlRE
93 Post contains images zkojq : Might want to check your registrations, Doc. HA's A330s are registered N38*HA. I assume you meant N380HA and N383HA. Or has winglets.
94 smi0006 : Being an Australian, the 767 would have to be one of the most common aircraft in our skies after the 73s. With so many short domestic hops (MEL-SYD, S
95 XFSUgimpLB41X : DL used to. With fleet rationalization that has dropped off dramatically.
96 ha763 : Count me in as well as a huge fan of the 767 (see my user name), especially HA's wingletted ones. The flower motif on the 767 winglets make HA's the b
97 Max Q : I have not flown the -300. I have flown our 200's and 400's. Our 200's are incredibly responsive as you say about the-300, combined with our having t
98 smi0006 : Hahah I think the winglets look the best on a 767 of all wingletted aircraft!! As for HA, tricky! lol I think NZ, LA and OS are top contenders too. A
99 aviateur : AA uses them for its popular transcon NYC to LAX service. They fly 767-200s with THREE classes!
100 Bananaboy : Must be some high hours on some of the 767s owned by the European charter carriers. Thomson, MyTravel & Thomas Cook for example have worked their
101 Someone83 : And the next 767 of the line, a 300F to DHL, had its first flight yesterday
102 VC10er : If I was a multimillionaire I would choose my own 767-400. If Boeing can still make a 400. The private Russian 767-3 I see in grey and white at EWR ma
103 Max Q : I'm sure my opinion is in the minority but of all the 757 and 767 models I think the 767-400 is by far the best looking. The longer body with the tall
104 VC10er : Not from me! I think the extra few meters of the 767-400 made her elegant in a way she wasn't before- and while I prefer the tall winglets, I also lo
105 mayor : I hate to be picky, but it's O'Hare, not O'Hara........named after Medal of Honor recipient Edward "Butch" O'Hare. However, I remember when I worked
106 VC10er : At any one time, which airline has operated the most 767's? Delta? Today, who operates the largest fleet of 767's
107 travelhound : In my opinion the most elegant looking 767 is the LOT 767-300ER. What a beautiful aircraft. The emergency landing with no landing gear was also one o
108 B757forever : That would be DL.
109 Max Q : It was, it was also one of the biggest mistakes and totally preventable !
110 carpethead : Abuse - not exactly how we put it. Those machines are meant to fly 6 segments maybe one or two more per day for greater part of the year for the last
111 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Its funny yall bring this up. It has been pretty darn cool to be able to get to at least walk on some of the earliest 767s and knowing that those LAN
112 Post contains links and images SCL767 : CC-BDI may be headed either to ATL or MEX for winglet installation this week. LAN will continue to receive new B-767-316ERs throughout 2013. It's int
113 Post contains links A388 : I think you are aware of why that is: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...e-767s-as-787s-are-delayed-352388/ A388
114 SCL767 : LAN's fleet planners were thinking of the airlines' future growth plans; especially after acquiring Aires Colombia and TAM. LAN views the 787 as a "g
115 A388 : So they ordered brandnew 767's, an aircraft type that is already being phased out at the same time. A388
116 SCL767 : LAN has flexibility with certain leases and can rapidly phase out certain B763s at any time. However, LAN will continue to operate its current and gr
117 A388 : LAN is only receiving brandnew 767's because of 787 delays. That's why they are receiving brandnew 767's alongside the 787, nothing more. A388
118 SCL767 : Incorrect; LAN is a growing carrier and uses the B-767-316ERs on a variety of routes. LAN deploys the B-767-316ERs on routes including short-haul, mi
119 Post contains links A388 : Read your own post from the past: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5509310/ Your qoutes from reply 6 and especially t
120 SCL767 : And how many B-767-316ERs has LAN ordered and/or acquired during the past two years compared to how many B-787-8s LAN should have in its fleet by the
121 A388 : You're the all-knowing LAN expert, entertain us. A388
122 Post contains links and images SCL767 : LAN has officially taken delivery of its 35th B-767-300ER (CC-BDI). CC-BDI will fly from KPAE to MEX where it will be fitted with blended winglets: ht
123 A388 : So all the brandnew 767's LAN receives between 2011 and 2013 are to offset late 787 deliveries, including this one going to MEX for winglet fitting. A
124 Post contains links SCL767 : Is this CC-BDJ at the fuel dock: http://paineairport.com/kpae5494.htm
125 Post contains images PHX787 : I love this thread! Its like the 787 thread about deliveries, except, 767 How many 767ERs have been delivered to LAN? Who else has outstanding 767 ord
126 B757forever : Not orders, but interestingly enough, DL still has options for 4 -300ERs and 8 -400ERs according to their 2012 10K.
127 Post contains links and images SCL767 : LAN Chile received its first B-767-216ER CC-CJU on 29MAY1986 and has ordered over 50 B767ERs and B767F/ERs throughout its history. LAN has also opera
128 DocLightning : Yes. I stand corrected.
129 SCL767 : Once again, LAN has aggressive growth plans and the 17+ new B-767-316ERs are part of LAN's strategy to be the dominant South American carrier operati
130 A388 : Agressive growth plans by deferring 787 deliveries? A388
131 Post contains images CamiloA380 : Yeah, they will get A388s by 2017 so that they can operate SCL-MAD 21x weekly MAD-FRA 14 weekly, for example SCL-EZE will be 30x weekly, SCL-LIM 7x d
132 SCL767 : That is correct. I already explained it to you in post #129. LAN is using the B-787-8s initially on short-haul routes; then on the SCL-LAX and SCL-LI
133 SCL767 : Both SCL and LIM will have new non-stop routes to Europe with the 787s. Also, remember that LAN will launch new long-haul routes via the GRU and GIG
134 A388 : If LAN wants to grow agressively then why are they deferring 787 deliveries? What are we missing here? A388
135 Post contains links SCL767 : So far this year, LAN Airlines has taken delivery of 6 new B-767-316ERs. CC-BDD was delivered to LAN featuring the new Premium Business Class, the new
136 A388 : Yes, I can see that but why are 787 deferred? Don't they have enough crew for training on the 787? Are there payment issues? I don't understand why t
137 Post contains links SCL767 : A388, this thread is about the B767s. There are several other threads pertaining to LAN's 787s. Here's a great shot of CC-BDI at KPDX after being pai
138 huxrules : To me 767s are kinda forgetable. It's not a racecar like it's sibling the 757, or a monster like it's half brother the 777. I've flown on a bunch of t
139 Post contains links SCL767 : Nothing is being delayed, period! Payment issues? What a farce! LATAM is taking delivery of 18 widebody a/c from Boeing this year! LAN's new B-767-31
140 A388 : Those 787's have been deferred by LAN, that is known already. Fact is that it is strange that brandnew 767's are being taken while the 787 is not tak
141 BoeEngr : Love the 767. My first ever flight was on a '67. BA from Seattle to London. Loved every minute of it, as well as the 747-200 on the ride back. Also lo
142 CamiloA380 : I live in Sweden, plenty of chances to take a 767 here in Europe. Thanks though. Then why do you keep advertising LAN here?
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