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JAL Winter Charter Service To Fairbanks In Alaska  
User currently offlineheysfo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Was curious if someone could fill me in on this market and timing ... winter?

JAL W12 Fairbanks Charter Operation
Posted: 03 Oct 2012 12:40 AM PDT
Update at 0740GMT 03OCT12

JAL in Winter 2012/13 season for the 9th year in a row will operate winter charter service to Fairbanks in Alaska, on board Boeing 767-300ER aircraft.

The airline will operate a total of 15 round-trip charter flights from 6 cities in Japan. Details:

Fukuoka – Fairbanks
From FUK: 12FEB13
From FAI: 16FEB13

Hiroshima – Fairbanks
From HIJ: 20MAR13
From FAI: 24MAR13

Nagoya – Fairbanks
From NGO: 23JAN13, 08FEB13
From FAI: 27JAN13, 12FEB13

Okayama – Fairbanks NEW in W12
From OKJ: 31JAN13
From FAI: 04FEB13

Osaka Kansai – Fairbanks
From KIX: 31DEC12, 19JAN13, 04FEB13, 16MAR13
From FAI: 04JAN13, 23JAN13, 08FEB13, 20MAR13

Tokyo Narita – Fairbanks
From NRT: 23DEC12, 27DEC12, 14JAN13, 27JAN13, 12MAR13, 24MAR13
From FAI: 27DEC12, 31DEC12, 19JAN13, 31JAN13, 16MAR13, 29MAR13

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

I see this as a number of things:
1) Winter fishing season (?????)
2) The oil industry there and the addition of some seasonal routes from Alaska cities to other cities, maybe this would be used for competition
3) A Japanese business requested this route, which is why it's a charter instead of a normal airline service.


Either way it's quite interesting indeed



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I see this as a number of things:

Isn't there some holiday that couples doing it there at a certain time is good luck or something?



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Isn't there some holiday that couples doing it there at a certain time is good luck or something?

I'd have to ask my professor but Maybe it's something about the northern lights   



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
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Quoting heysfo (Thread starter):
Was curious if someone could fill me in on this market and timing ... winter?

These charter flights to Fairbanks have been set up by Japanese tour companies (mostly Jalpak) for the past 9 years to watch the aurora borealis. If you Google the best time to see the aurora borealis in Fairbanks, you will see that December-March is the best time.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

I thought I heard someone in Japanese traditions it's thought the northern lights make a woman more fertile and a man more potent (for lack of a better word) so these flights are for couples hoping to have a child. Or maybe I am confusing that with something else.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 5):
I thought I heard someone in Japanese traditions it's thought the northern lights make a woman more fertile and a man more potent (for lack of a better word) so these flights are for couples hoping to have a child. Or maybe I am confusing that with something else.

A buddy of mine is in the business of giving loans to people wanting to build/buy love hotels......maybe he should open one up there in FAI     



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3607 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 5):
I thought I heard someone in Japanese traditions it's thought the northern lights make a woman more fertile and a man more potent (for lack of a better word) so these flights are for couples hoping to have a child.

There are all sorts of old wive's tales in Japan like anywhere else, but I've never heard that one. Also, I've noticed that while westerners will generally realize that old wive's tales in western countries are just that, when they hear of similar things in Asian countries they somehow think everybody must believe them as honest truth. Even if this legend does exist in Japan, it's not like there are going to be thousands of people really spending their money to act on it. Japan is an educated country and people there aren't nuts, or stuck living in a bygone age when fertility doctors would read tea leaves. This would just be the kind of thing people joke and laugh about while drunk.

These flights have to be about something else. Or it could really be about the AB, but just because it's a beautiful thing that people in Japan don't get to experience otherwise, and if there's one thing the Japanese like to do, it's travel.



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User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2996 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

I agree gotta be northern lights, but can't you see them from Hokkaido?


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 8):
I agree gotta be northern lights, but can't you see them from Hokkaido?

You could sometimes, but rarely (if ever) as brilliant as they regularly would be in interior/northern Alaska during the dead of winter.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 8):
I agree gotta be northern lights, but can't you see them from Hokkaido?

Hokkaido is about the same latitude as Seattle, actually just a smidge south of Seattle's latitude.

Sapporo-43ºN
Seattle- 47ºN
I think during the deepest part of winter you may be able to, but it really depends.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7575 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 8):
but can't you see them from Hokkaido?

If you could see them in Sapporo, you could see them in Toronto.

It would be a maybe if the timing was right.

Going to see the AB in Fairbanks is a sure thing.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

FAI being inland and not anywhere near the ocean is usually clear at night (unlike, say ANC.) Plus FAI doesn't really get much precipitation.

I have gone up to FAI several times, usually in January, for 2 or 3 nights only, just to watch the aurora! It's an absolutely amazing experience and I highly recommend the trip. (And btw, I have always seen lots of Japanese tourists up there when I do make the trips.)

bb


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24817 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 4):
Quoting heysfo (Thread starter):
Was curious if someone could fill me in on this market and timing ... winter?

These charter flights to Fairbanks have been set up by Japanese tour companies (mostly Jalpak) for the past 9 years to watch the aurora borealis. If you Google the best time to see the aurora borealis in Fairbanks, you will see that December-March is the best time.

Yellowknife (YZF) in Canada's Northwest Territories has been a popular winter destination for Japanese visitors for quite a few years. A couple of related news items from last year re the expected impact on tourism due to AC dropping their once-daily CRJ service YVR-YZF. Now you have to connect via YYC or YEG.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/.../09/07/yellowknife-air-canada.html
http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/2012-03/mar9_12fw.html

Excerpt:

Competing centres that are increasingly marketing aurora viewing include Whitehorse; Fairbanks, Alaska; and Scandinavian countries, such as Finland and Norway.

This season, NWT Tourism has contracted general sales agents based in Tokyo, Japan, who believe there is "big potential" to grow the market to Yellowknife, but poor flight availability is hampering their efforts.


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