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Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6531 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14305 times:

I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

While some may argue that it is pointless to add AVOD due to DL offering streaming IFE, these rumors seem like they come from a reliable source. Considering that the 753s will replace a lot of domestic 763 flying, this isn't much of a surprise for me.

If these rumors are true, what will the models of seats be? I presume that F will most likely be the Weber 6810 like on the MD-88s and MD-90s, while Y will be either the Weber 5751 or B/E Aerospace Pinnacle. The Y seats will most likely have the Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors.

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:30:11]


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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14017 times:

At this point there is no definitive answer for AVOD on the -300 fleet. What is happening is the EOD streaming system and THAT is likely to go fleet wide on all non-AVOD a/c. Hadn't heard the seat rumor.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13993 times:

Maybe while they refit the interior they'll add winglets??????????

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13812 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Maybe while they refit the interior they'll add winglets??????????

A problem would be getting certification, since DL is the only P&W-powered 753 operator, and the 753 winglets are only approved for RR-powered aircraft. Not sure if it will be worth the certification costs.



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User currently onlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13783 times:

Yeah, because the biggest issue with the 757-300 is the Economy cabin is a tad too spacious.

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13591 times:

Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even. The 757's are my least favorite airplanes to ride on DL wide. Uncomfortable rock hard seats and poor leg room, just my opinion.


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13530 times:

How many seats do they have? Its a beast of a NB  

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13523 times:
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Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even.

Two sets of two seats and two sets of three seats would give them 10. So perhaps they'll re-arrange Door 3L and Door 3R to be two sets of two seats in line with the door (as is the case with Door 2L).

How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13521 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even.

Maybe one row plus squeezing a four seat row in an exit row?



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13437 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?

2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.


User currently onlineSJCMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13402 times:

It would probably be about time on the AVOD on the 753s. I remember flying on those in the continental US when they flew for NW and they wouldn't turn on what video system they had on those flights. They would only turn it on for Hawaii flights.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13401 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 9):
2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.

DL uses 2L wherever possible for all 757s, 764ERs, 777s, and A330s. However, some gates at some airports may only allow DL to use 1L on these aircraft types. I know that DL's gates at ABQ can only board the 752 from 1L, and many of DL's gates at JFK (particularly many of the T3 gates) can only board the 764ER from 1L.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13379 times:
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Is there extra space around the seats for 2L?

I've flown pmUA 757-200s and sat in the pair of seats at Door 2R. If DL's layout is similar, I'd think that would create serious bottlenecks for boarding and off-loading.


User currently onlineSJCMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13298 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Is there extra space around the seats for 2L?

There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13252 times:
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I believe Boeing's original B753 cabin layout was 12F + 228Y with 31" pitch, and German carrier Condor/Thomas Cook have 265 seats in all-Y config, so the 224-seat layout used by NW and Delta now sounds quite luxurious. Another 10 Y-seats is nothing  


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13163 times:
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Quoting SJCMSP (Reply 13):
There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.

Okay, that explains it.  

On pmUA, the seats were in line with Door 2R, and offset one seat (so DE with the space where F would have been empty and open).


Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
I believe Boeing's original B753 cabin layout was 12F + 228Y with 31" pitch, and German carrier Condor/Thomas Cook have 265 seats in all-Y config, so the 224-seat layout used by NW and Delta now sounds quite luxurious.

Boeing's two-class OEM configuration is 12 First and 231 Economy. The single-class is 279.

The Exit Limit for the 757-300 is not given, but I am assuming it is 279 based on the Exit Limit for the 757-200 being 239 with four sets of doors.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13108 times:

279 seats in a NB must have a killer CASM?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25306 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The Exit Limit for the 757-300 is not given, but I am assuming it is 279 based on the Exit Limit for the 757-200 being 239 with four sets of doors.

From FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet, it's either 275 or 295 for the 753 depending on the exit doors:

Maximum Passengers:

For 757-200 and 757-200CB airplanes the total passenger capacity is limited to:
219 (Four pair of Type I exits)
239 (Three pair of Type I exits plus one pair of improved Type I exits at Door No. 2). See Note 5.
224 (Three pair of Type I exits plus two pair of Type III exits)
164 (757-200CB in two pallet main deck cargo configuration), limited by 25.807(c)
0 (757-200PF) 2 crew, 5 persons per Exemption No. 4808

For 757-300 airplanes, the total passenger capacity is limited to:
275 (Three pair of Type C exits, one pair of Type I exits and two pair of Type III exits).
295 (Two pair of Type C exits, one pair of Type B exits, one pair of Type I exits, and
two pair of Type III exits).


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12717 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

Look to see the 757-300 go to 234 seats total with new slimlines (not sure which model) and IFE. Winglets too. 2013-2014 time frame. It's not a rumor if it's true...  Smile

[Edited 2012-10-09 13:19:14]

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12285 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?

2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.

LGA D1 is only 1L for boarding.

And as stated before, I can't see DL (or anyone) paying for P&W certification on the winglets.

Quoting SJCMSP (Reply 13):
There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.

Oh, go ahead...rip out another galley at 2R...throw in 6 more seats while you're at it. If there's one thing DL abhors, it's an mid/aft galley on the NB fleet!  



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User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 19):
And as stated before, I can't see DL (or anyone) paying for P&W certification on the winglets.

I was told by a reliable source that the PW certification for the winglets will piggy-back on the RR cert with only minor changes. Curiously the APB website shows specs for a 757-300 with PW engines.

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products_757_300.php


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 18):
Look to see the 757-300 go to 234 seats total with new slimlines (not sure which model) and IFE. Winglets too. 2013-2014 time frame. It's not a rumor if it's true...

By IFE, that means AVOD, right? The 753s already have IFE, except they have overhead video.



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12032 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

You reported the same rumor two months ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-300s-get-slimline-seats-avod.html

Interesting to note the Wikipedia article was updated yesterday, after FlyASAGuy2005 stirred speculation:
DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule? (by audidudi Sep 27 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The person who updated the article was a Boston University student - and probably an airliners.net user. In other words, not a Delta insider.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/168.122.66.113
- - -
When these planes were with NW, payload was sometimes restricted to Hawaii. It'll be interesting to determine how the additional weight (additional seats + the weight of the AVOD system) affect performance...

[Edited 2012-10-09 15:24:37]


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

If a bunch of Boeing engineers got together one night, had a few beers and said "let's design an airplane that EVERYONE will hate" it would be the 757-300. Horribly cramped, poor galley locations, lavs that are impossible to get to when the carts are in the aisle and an aisle that narrows so much in the aft cabin that you cannot even drag a rollaboard bag through it--and they want to add more seats? They are going to have to strap lawn chairs to the wings! They already have "slim line seats"--little more than an aluminum frame with some leather stretched over them. Check out the f/a jumpseats--they are literally a board covered with cloth. Not one inch of padding. Passengers hate it, pilots say it is woefully underpowered and flight attendents have been known to burst into tears when they see a month schedule of these aircraft. I have seen passengers break out into fist fights over the lack of overhead bin space. DL would do well to keep the 763's and ditch these monsters. There are only 16 of them. IMHO turn these things into Taco Bells.


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User currently offlinecmb320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11296 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
flight attendents have been known to burst into tears when they see a month schedule of these aircraft

I burst into tears if I see "753" on even 1 or 2 legs of my rotation. HATE THAT PLANE!!!!!!


25 Max Q : I completely disagree, it may not have the performance of the -200 but it's performance is more than adequate. It is also a nicer handling aircraft t
26 cokepopper : Since you fly it, then you know something about the a/c FORWARD of the cockpit door. DTWPurser is giving his experience from AFT of the cockpit door.
27 seabosdca : Not the shareholders. For medium-haul missions, the thing has the best costs per passenger in the sky, despite its outdated technology.
28 CompensateMe : DTWPurserBoy wrote: Nobody's disagreeing that FA dislike working the aircraft, but yes, some of his account was exaggerated. I've flown dozens of 753
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : The 753 is not outdated technology. May no longer be in current production but it is still a modern aircraft. DLs are at 9-10 years old. Exactly is i
30 burnsie28 : Well he did quote the part about "PILOTS SAY" not talking about the back of the cabin. Can't believe its already been that long since the Bernie Eppl
31 seabosdca : Its wings, engines, and systems are a generation behind those of the 737NG or A320. That's why the 752 is no longer competitive with those aircraft e
32 GoBoeing : Good grief, that's what he did . . . take a deep breath! Any pilot that likes piloting the 757-300 would also hate the cabin just as much as anyone e
33 nwa757300 : According to a recent document on DLNet under the "aircraft" section on the IFS portal. The 757-300 will in fact get AVOD nose to tail and an addition
34 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Why? If the planes are going to stay around 15ish years and do a good chunk of the Hawaii flying that is more than enough time to get ROI. winglets w
35 1337Delta764 : So, have specific models of seats been decided yet? Will F be the Weber 6810, or something else? Will Y be the Weber 5751, B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, or
36 CompensateMe : - Will the new IFE system have only a USB charger, or will it have means to charge the new iPhone? - Will DL replace the light-up "no smoking" signs w
37 Post contains images FL787 : You're killing me...
38 CONTACREW : Will these 753s be redone with hot pink interiors? Including hot pink seats? Including hot pink row markers? Hot Pink galleys?
39 nwa757300 : By that I mean, by door 1R you have a entire galley made up of 2 units, one forward of the door and one aft of it. The aft portion of the first class
40 Post contains images 1337Delta764 : Is the layout going to be something like this?
41 nwa757300 : Yes very similar, but you need an extra row of seats in F and if I remember correctly the 2 seats at row 14 will be on the other side in front of 2R.
42 alaskaqantas : hahaha you crack me up I know AS is getting new slim seats... but they're passing the benefits onto the customer with more knee room, not more seats!
43 B727FA : It's like a 757 with an RJ stuck on the end. What did I say about DL abhorring aft/mid galleys!? LOL No, the galley across the back will be there.
44 B727FA : Ummm...if that IS the case it's not public information and is inappropriate/unauthorized to post here.[Edited 2012-10-10 08:10:53]
45 SuperDash : You might want to check the seating config of AS 8 SEA-EWR in Janauary. That plane has 181 seats on it, up 9 seats from the current 737-900. As for D
46 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : How do you add even 6 more seats to a Delta 757-300? There is no leg room in them already you couldn't add another row. I hate flying on the 300, it
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : IDK why "winglet certification costs" keeps coming up in these threads...
48 Deltal1011man : ? what does this mean? uh....really? lol.
49 nwa757300 : Really!? It's accessible to 80,000+ employees, it's not "top secret" information. Chillax!
50 burnsie28 : B/E Pinnacle
51 DeltAirlines : And yet when you log into DeltaNet, it says information on this site is not to be posted to external sources. Sure it mentions FlyerTalk and Facebook
52 1337Delta764 : Thanks. What about the F seats?
53 FlyASAGuy2005 : The last time "DL 753s getting winglets" was brought up someone brought up the fact that only RRs are certified. So, what!! DL will pay to have the P
54 CONTACREW : I just read a post over on flyer talk that the 739ERs will be 20F/21EC/139Y If so that's 180 seats on a 739 Yuck.
55 FlyASAGuy2005 : ??? That's pretty standard for a 739... UA's are less dense due to their E+ being much larger on all fleet types vs. Delta.
56 Post contains images United1 : Actually that's 7 more seats then a UA 739 without Y+...
57 FlyASAGuy2005 : And pre slimline seats, DL's 738s were less dense than what they are now. What's your point.
58 United1 : That 180 seats on a 739ER is going to be a bit of a squeeze.....just like CONTACCREW said.
59 CONTACREW : So is DL going to deactivate the exit door just aft the wings ala CO/UA, or will that exit actually be activated?
60 Boeing773ER : I believe they forgot to make all of the seats red or the "bad" seats of the plane. I can't blame DL for adding 10 more seats into the plane, the ave
61 FlyASAGuy2005 : A row more than the CO 739s. What I don't know is the lav config. That's what will drive the seat count. Pitch will be no worse than other fleet type
62 United1 : They can deactivate it....it doesn't need to be used until you get over 189 passengers. I don't know if I will go that far but that's the direction a
63 B727FA : CONTENT You must not copy, reproduce or forward any content from DeltaNet outside of Delta Air Lines, including posting on any personal or public Web
64 Post contains images Deltal1011man : roger. hahaha love the internet police roll. good job
65 1337Delta764 : Also, on the 739ERs, the F seats will likely be a model with an articulating seat bottom similar to those on the MD-88s and MD-90s, which UA does not
66 1337Delta764 : FYI, I have also learned that Delta has revitalized plans to add a row of Y seats to the A319s using slimline seats. This was planned months ago, but
67 FlyASAGuy2005 : It is coming. Not saying where but saw the specs for it for both the 319 and 320.
68 burnsie28 : 739's will have 37" FC, 34" EC, and 31" Y for pitch,
69 BDL757 : Holy crap! They're going to be able to fit another whole row on the 319/320? Will the seat pitch remain the same?
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